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Post Post #575 (ISO) » Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:58 am

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You stealth-hydra'd? :( Or is Gonzoooo a known hydra I just didn't know about because I'm new?

I was inclined to side with the hydras-give-unfair-advantage side of the debate before this, but REALLY am inclined that way now, after this game. Dammit, I want a quicktopic and an extra set of eyes telling me I'm crazy or on the right track. :?
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Post Post #576 (ISO) » Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:10 am

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TBH, the mafia QT is really boring xD. I have no problems with showing it if Smash/vollkan don't. The setup may have been broken simply considering that the mafia got the rolecop as early as possible (barring a mislynch on the rolecop, which would be really unlikely) and we never got any use out of it.

Also, as soon as I saw two VT deaths, I was praying that there wouldn't be a massclaim... I saw someone say to NL without talking, but sadly they had unvoted by the time I made it to the thread :(.

I also agree that it would be interesting as a larger setup, maybe even closed.
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Post Post #577 (ISO) » Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:29 am

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Purple Orange wrote:You stealth-hydra'd? :( Or is Gonzoooo a known hydra I just didn't know about because I'm new?

I was inclined to side with the hydras-give-unfair-advantage side of the debate before this, but REALLY am inclined that way now, after this game. Dammit, I want a quicktopic and an extra set of eyes telling me I'm crazy or on the right track. :?
Well, it was kind of an unconscious decision. We decided we wanted to hydra and it just kind of didnt' come up after the game started, so we decided it wouldn't be a big deal.

As far as the hydras are overpowered argument, I think you'd need to play with more hydras. Some are and some aren't. Both DDD and I are relatively decent players on our own, so perhaps Gonzoooo was. On the other hand, it honestly was mostly me posting so most of what you were seeing was VPB except for close to the beginning and closer to the end. I'm happy to share our QT if DDD wants to do that as well.

One interesting thing of note was that DDD had the initial negative gut reaction to dj, but I was doing all of the posting at that time. So I was kind of working from DDD's meta even though I was slightly less confident than him!

@lew - mod said it was up to the scum team if they want to reveal it or not.
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Post Post #578 (ISO) » Wed Dec 22, 2010 7:37 am

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yeah, i'm fine with showing it. idr much of what was said anyway.

not really my best play at all, sorry guys. it was fun at least, while I was around.
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Post Post #579 (ISO) » Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:43 am

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Alduskkel wrote:One thing I've noticed about Jailkeepers is that they are crazy powerful if only one scum is left. It's kind of like they gain cop abilities if the Mafia continue to night kill.
I think jk's are way more powerful/useful than docs.
implosion wrote:The setup may have been broken simply considering that the mafia got the rolecop as early as possible (barring a mislynch on the rolecop, which would be really unlikely) and we never got any use out of it.
I don't think it was broken. Town was really strong and hardly any town were suspicious of other town.
Also you were slightly unlucky dj wasn't forced to claim which would have helped things for you.
VP Baltar wrote:As far as the hydras are overpowered argument, I think you'd need to play with more hydras. Some are and some aren't. Both DDD and I are relatively decent players on our own, so perhaps Gonzoooo was.
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Post Post #580 (ISO) » Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:35 am

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Well, I'm currently undecided on the hydras are overpowered vs. not overpowered argument so I won't RAGE but I still think that you should have at least told
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Post Post #581 (ISO) » Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:47 am

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Yeah, you're right. My apologies.
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Post Post #582 (ISO) » Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:44 pm

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VP Baltar wrote: As far as the hydras are overpowered argument, I think you'd need to play with more hydras. Some are and some aren't. Both DDD and I are relatively decent players on our own, so perhaps Gonzoooo was. On the other hand, it honestly was mostly me posting so most of what you were seeing was VPB except for close to the beginning and closer to the end. I'm happy to share our QT if DDD wants to do that as well.
I'd be quite interested in seeing the QT, if DDD doesn't mind.
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Post Post #583 (ISO) » Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:01 pm

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If I ever planned on modding Bullshit Mafia I might care because there are some minor notes in there, but I'm not modding material so have at it...

http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/kWyiMStyBnWik

I think you'll find the alleged schematic advantage never really materializes. Also that I'm quite the jerk in private.
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Post Post #584 (ISO) » Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:25 pm

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VP Baltar wrote:
Purple Orange wrote:You stealth-hydra'd? :( Or is Gonzoooo a known hydra I just didn't know about because I'm new?

I was inclined to side with the hydras-give-unfair-advantage side of the debate before this, but REALLY am inclined that way now, after this game. Dammit, I want a quicktopic and an extra set of eyes telling me I'm crazy or on the right track. :?
Well, it was kind of an unconscious decision. We decided we wanted to hydra and it just kind of didnt' come up after the game started, so we decided it wouldn't be a big deal.

As far as the hydras are overpowered argument, I think you'd need to play with more hydras. Some are and some aren't. Both DDD and I are relatively decent players on our own, so perhaps Gonzoooo was. On the other hand, it honestly was mostly me posting so most of what you were seeing was VPB except for close to the beginning and closer to the end. I'm happy to share our QT if DDD wants to do that as well.

One interesting thing of note was that DDD had the initial negative gut reaction to dj, but I was doing all of the posting at that time. So I was kind of working from DDD's meta even though I was slightly less confident than him!

@lew - mod said it was up to the scum team if they want to reveal it or not.
yeah, I missed that... apologies. If scum don't want, np.

I have nothing against hydras. I do not think they are overpowered per se. Moreover, this very hydra played very good, but I believe that single VP and single DDD would have played more or less at the same level as gonzooo...

all in all, I think that the best town-player in this game is DJ.

vollkan was prolly the best scum, but his smashbro vote was a big mistake, and so was his giving scumpoints to PO as soon as someone softly fosed him. I was surprised that no one openly agreed with me, but from the hydra-qt I see someone actually did :-)
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Post Post #585 (ISO) » Thu Dec 23, 2010 1:31 am

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DDD wrote:If I ever planned on modding Bullshit Mafia I might care because there are some minor notes in there, but I'm not modding material so have at it...
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Post Post #586 (ISO) » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:55 am

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vp: i wasn't trying to set you up. just kind of figured you had to be town once i realized how important the mafia jk was. had you gone with the plan their it would have been fine. when sss flipped i used the one on one off theory. had to shoot myk just to be sure. narrowed down scum between thad and implo. then looking at the wagon i saw volkans vote as the most likely to be a bus. thanks for sharing the qt.
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Post Post #587 (ISO) » Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:30 am

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wait.

I was vig-killed? That was my obvtown-non-caring-vanilla-with-little-time-meta...

Well, for the game. Wrong about Gonzo (VP, I really should avoid you. You are always scum), Wrong about PO, almost right on vollkan (next time I'll have you again), right about Don.


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Post Post #588 (ISO) » Fri Dec 24, 2010 9:33 am

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I PM'd vollkan for permission so here you go:
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Post Post #589 (ISO) » Fri Dec 24, 2010 3:08 pm

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Post Post #590 (ISO) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:58 pm

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