Mini1147-Royal Mafia at the Round Table (Game Over!)

[Prosaurus]

Congrats Farside... Now you rule over nothing.
Anyway. DAMMIT!

[Prosaurus]

Also, in the Mafia QT, farside says I was

ruining

her chances of winning. How the heck? I'd say I was helping you.

[Twistedspoon]

I can agree that it is possible that it was an attempted gambit however I do believe he is

an awful scum player

and therefore find the likelyhood of him pulling that gambit very low.

Duplicity underestimates me too much

[Hoopla]

Nice ending - looked like a high quality game from what I read. Good job, farside.

[Hoopla]

Twistedspoon's gambit was awesome too.

[Duplicity]

Despite the loss this was actually one of my most enjoyable games on the site thus far and I have to congratulate the scum team especially Farside and Twistedspoon for playing such a good game, the gambit at the end there really threw me of and won the game for you guys.

I'll have my more detailed thoughts on the game up later tonight.

[Twistedspoon]

Twistedspoon's gambit was awesome too.

ty

I've learned a lot

[Twistedspoon]

oh, and one last thing

i can see a theme in this game, that everything is one-shot :/

was complete chance

I had honestly seemed to recall Javert saying he was one-shot at this point. Turns out I was wrong but justified a fakeclaim nicely later...


oh, and I thought it quite interesting when LL created the theory that I was a one-shot mafia rolecop or something

but the truth was it was chance

[Quilford]

http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/fb2eV4Seds5dj

Don't read it.

[neil1113]

I really enjoyed modding this game, and I wanted to thank all the participants for giving me such an enjoyable, and fun first game to mod! What I enjoyed most was getting the honor of watching all of you play, and seeing the positions everyone took, and the playing styles you each have. Needless to say, this was a very fun game to mod and I consider myself really blessed. So thanks.

[Juls]

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p3183046

[farside22]

Also, in the Mafia QT, farside says I was

ruining

her chances of winning. How the heck? I'd say I was helping you.

I wanted to win a day earlier.

No seriously it was that you were not online and I had to go thru another day of trying to convince people LL or you were scum. It was exhausting to say the least.
Also the mod sent me a PM at one point that I saved to share here.

Remind me in my games with you, to push for a lynch on you regardless of rather or not you're scum. Because you're playing one heck of a scum in town's clothing card in Mafia 1147, and you've made me have to recheck to make sure you're scum partners with Twisted and Necessary Evil, because with the way you're playing I'd have pegged you as town. Just wanted to encourage you with this!

I actually laughed at this because I didn't feel I was doing that well. I give TS all the credit for his gambits. Had it not been for that I think I would have been lynched.

[farside22]

LOL reading the dead QT.
TS looking at the end of this wouldn't you say keeping LL alive was worth it now.
Also killing Dup helps for 2 reason's (1) it makes LL look bad because he was anti LL (2) both Pro and LL thought each other was scum.
I did think about not killing to make Pro look worse (since he wasn't around) but I didn't want the game to stall or a no lynch to happen the next day.

[Duplicity]

I'm going to take a second to publically apologise to Gorilla because I did indeed give him quite a lot of shit for his vote on Farside just after the gambit occured and TwistedSpoon flipped scum. Alright, moving on:

Twistedspoon, your gambits (1-Shot Wise, Cop Claim and your 'Did I win') were genius and game winning and allowed your scummy behaviour to go unnoticed by many an amazingly long time. I feel bad for undestimating and insulting you because given how the game played out I would love to be on a scum-team with you again at some point in the future.

Farside, the way you managed to hold up throughout a large portion of the game was remarkable, especially your somehow nature town nature and frustration shown after the Twistedspoon flip. Had I been in a three way with you and LL I unfortunatly would have to admit that all likelihood is that I would have hammered incorrectly and given you the win.

Locke, I'm sorry man. I really am, I just wasn't seeing the Pros case at all for obvious reasons now and my insistant suspicion of you is something I'm slightly ashamed of because you stood your ground and defended yourself well, I would for another chance to play in a game with you in the future.

Pros, you really need to pick up in your content and actvity in future games, without meaning to sound cruel in any way I believe your playstyle would be greatly enhanced by playing a few more newbie games just to get you into the hang of things properly, with some experience you could be a good player.

Maxous, you're the other person I have to apologise towards, your lynch was a compromise based lynch because I was getting no support for a Twisted lynch apart from Farside who lol was scum. I've very much enjoyed both games I've played with you and would really enjoy a third, the same can be said towards Rhinox. You're a good player that uses logic well and in the right game would dominate.

Quilford, I'm really glad that you stopped lurking and actually started reassesing your actions throughout day two, you've a lot to learn as do I but I believe you will make for a great player in the future.

If anyone has any advice or critism in regards to my play this game I would love to hear it because if anything this game shows me that I haven't perfectly the hydra experience or my town play yet.

[farside22]

The best advice I can give you Dup is not to under estimate a player. Remember with each game you learn something from the game that helps you in another game that others do the same.
So if someone plays poorly in one game doesn't mean they will play poorly another game. They learned from the game and adapted.
It's something i watch for when I look at meta is how people adapted.

[Twistedspoon]

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p3183046

awww thanks Juls

and I can't wait for our next scumteam game Farside. We were awesome

Regfan, I'd love to be in a scumteam or Hydra with you again sometime. I'd be honoured

I've improved a since the start of this game, and this will always be one of my favourites :3

had I not relied solely on my claim, then who knows how much better I'd have done

LL was incredible at getting me lynched. Thanks to his and duplicity's scumhunting I felt my lynch was inevitable for a lot of the day and realised I had relied too much on my claim. Credit to you both

Prosaurus I look forwards to playing with again too, and maxous was good fun.

Until next time eh?

~TS

P.S. Thanks again for the Nom Juls + All. I was so happy when I read the link

P.P.S. Quilford, what drug were you on in the mason QT and where can I get some?

[Prosaurus]

@Dup My timezone is the problem, in my last game I was closer to the other players. Looking back at the game, I think I shoulda voted FS, what TS did to LL was a much less likely 'gambit' if they were both scum.

[Maxous]

Knew that was coming.
Well done to the mafia team, you done very well.
I thought both sides played good.

I have my doubts that faking a guilty on NE was the best move in that situation but it all worked out I guess =D

[Twistedspoon]

I have my doubts that faking a guilty on NE was the best move in that situation but it all worked out I guess =D

what would you have done?

[Oso]

I have my doubts that faking a guilty on NE was the best move in that situation but it all worked out I guess =D

what would you have done?

[pops back in]

Risk analysis.
The odds of a true Cop getting a guilty in the situation are slim to none I would think. Too big a risk for scum that early in that game. A true cop would have been targeted by an RB or killed. Even if the killer ended up eating a lynch, if there were a watcher or tracker in the game, still an even trade for scum. Scum can't trade one for one with town but losing a goon in exchange for the cop is something I wouldn't even think about seriously as the likelihood is high that the Tracker or the Watcher is going to have to out themselves in order to get you a lynch esp. if the person making the kill has played at least semi-decently. Even if it costs a goon, the possibility of outright eliminating one PR (a dangerous one at that) and outing a second is too good to pass up despite the risk, in my opinion. You do have the possibility of a Doc save, Watch/Track combo that outs the killer but that brings me to my next...

The possibility of confirming a Doc/Jail Keeper/Town RB type role(s). You may end up with a No-Kill Night 1 but then you have confirmed a town role that can interfere with your kills. The involuntary no-kill N1 may not be optimal but it comes with a bit more knowledge about town power as compensation.

To answer your question, in your shoes I would have considered the following as optimal: Claim to have been blocked. You were a scum RB so there is a possibility that later in the game a town PR (this is generic here, not specific to this game) would have had a 'no result' night based on your actions and would have had to confirm that during claim. Puts a town point in your column because now you have a townie also saying they were blocked.

Next: Sell an innocent. I know I stated I had that problem with Ender's claim (and by association, yours) but there is absolutely no way (like the option above) that it can be proved as false at the time you give the result other than by a player convincing the majority that their gut feeling is accurate. It was more along the lines of 'be on the lookout'....

So that you were alive, unblocked and had a guilty result set off all sorts of flags for me. I was on my way out then (I asked for replacement early D2) so I dummied up and didn't say this then I wasn't comfortable posting at all once I knew I was going to replace out.

But it was interesting to read this (I kept up about once a week) and is one of the better games I been involved in (no matter how briefly) in a while. Thanks to all for that.

[Javert]

Game seems to be balanced fairly, though I am curious as to why the mafia had a roleblocker when the only night action the Town had was a 1-Shot Cop. I can only presume it was included to make the mafia assume there must be more town actors at Night.

[Locke Lamora]

Back from holiday. Very frustrating. By the time it got round to LyLo I'd gone round so many times in my head suspecting everyone that I didn't have the energy to question Farside again. I knew Pro was going to vote for me so I felt like I didn't have much choice either. I should have gone with my gut instinct on seeing that TS 'hammer', but hey, you live and learn (or not). I really hate playing town.

Duplicity: don't worry about it. It was one of those situations where it's really hard to comprehend why you're getting suspected, but when you think about it, there were valid reasons for everyone to say that. I felt like I'd put up a compelling case on TS in a situation where scum had no reason to do so and so it was personally frustrating for me to find myself as a top suspect when no-one had argued that lynch as forcefully as I had, and I didn't really think I'd done anything scummy either (other than perhaps being too honest about how often my mind changed!). At the end of the day, I kept going round in circles after finding new reasons why you all weren't scum, so I can't blame you for suspecting me.

[Papa Zito]

fin.