Mini 1219 - Bedtime Stories Mafia - Game Over!

[Thomith]

Well to me it was a bit obvious what he meant, even if he missed part of the sentence.

[Thomith]

if you think it is right then i don't see a reason why not.

No shit it's obvious what he meant. But what he meant is different what he said.

So you call beck out on it, but i never saw you calling me out on the "slip" i made even thought it was pretty much the same as becks although it was one word.
my gut is just screaming "mislynch attempt" right now.

[Thomith]

Things to consider,
slueth not adding anything to the game the whole game day,
what seems like a mislynch attempt on Beck by EB.
Let's hope we were right.

[Thomith]

apparently he claimed in the first place. I think he claimed VT.

[Thomith]

lolthomith

:3

rechecked so we don't have 4th shinanigans and yes i believe it was a hammer this time.

[Thomith]

I thought it said in the rules that you don't HAVE to unvote.

You don't.

[Thomith]

i checked and i am pretty sure it is, and i think elli checked too.
(if it isn't i will be so damn pissed and grey will probably modkill everyone... maybe i shouldn't be giving him that idea)

[Thomith]

explain weird, why am i scum, when i pointed out that voided was getting ignored and oh look voided was scum, granted i didn't start the wagon, but that doesn't make me scum.
Well my read on slueth was terrible, i guess sometimes active lurkers aren't scum.
Still don't really know what to make about the EB/rainbow counterclaim but it does make sense for a odd vig/even jailkeeper conbo.

[Thomith]

and I don't see anything to change that.

You are more scummy for hammering with no reasoning than me voting with a reason, even if it was more gut than a massive case.

[Thomith]

I want to see what will happen if I vote for Neruz.

So you don't think Neruz is scummy?

[Thomith]

I missed the wall, and i must say it makes sense, Neruz do you think the wall has any flaws? in the likely case yes point them out and explain how they are flaws.

[Thomith]

So, why do you vote rainbow over EB? The only problem with rainbow is that she didn't full claim but other than that i see no problem as rainbow said that if she fullclaims her role becomes alot less powerfull.

[Thomith]

why did you react to my vote on Rainbowdash in that way, Thomith?

It seemed like you found them both equally scummy and i wanted to know why you chose the person you did, yes you could only vote for one of them but i wanted to know the reasons that you chose the one you chose.

Now hiphop claimed PR we could try something, but i don't know if it will benifit town or not, it will depend on his actual role.

but does absolutely nothing about it.

So putting something out there is scummy? You normaly vote for someone who slips under the radar every time do you?
I also switched after banshee made the post you linked to because i felt he had a point so i decided to act on my gut and oh look, it worked.

[Thomith]

dawdle around letting scum kill us until we're in LYLO. Is that your contention?

Where did you get that from?

Was it the fact he survived overnight despite his claim?

I am sure someone has pointed this out already but last night EB was not a threat to scum as he had no action to perform, why would scum kill someone who posed no threat to them?

[Thomith]

In order to get three confirmed townies out of a town-EB investigative streak we have to wait through six nights.

Rainbow said this? i must have missed it, if she did then this is the worst plan ever thought up, "lets let the scum kill us untill we get 3 clears from a power that cant be used every night"

as Neruz said EB most likely has a small chance of blocking the kill, they could have kept him alive for this small chance as they saw bigger threats.

[Thomith]

ok banshee seems probable town as i don't see scum making arguements against their own, however this is a WIFOM reason but i am quite confident in it.

I am uneasy against rainbow because we have known she is a PR from day 1 but we don't know what, it might help clear things up a little but i wont force her to claim.

[Thomith]

We are massclaiming, so RD will claim eventually.

I though i read that people were telling rainbow not to claim beause they "know their role" hip did this i know but i thought there was another.

[Thomith]

i have a feeling that weird isnt going to claim but thats just me. Although yes it is easier to keep track of claims if we dont say anything not linked to it but other than that i personally dont see a good reason why we should "shut up about everything"

[Thomith]

When I asked if I should vote Voided to finally end the day, you said:

I know i did, because i thought it would occur to you that you said nothing about the voided wagon untill that point and suddenly asked to hammer, i thought you were going to add some reasoning other than to end the day.

there are more important things to focus on

But there were.


I am a VT, i want one of the unclaimed PR's to actually claim their PR, unless others disagree.

[Thomith]

we have 6 PR claims, max i have seen is 5 and one of them was a miller, i think 1-3 people are lying.

[Thomith]

No, i said the max amount of PR's i have seen in a game (non-scum) was 5 and one of them was a miller, but we have 6 claimed PR's in this game so i think people are lying about being a PR

[Thomith]

a bodyguard with a watcher can be devistating if they are on the same side, and i still think 6 power roles on towns side is overpowered in a mini normal and doubt it would be accepted unless scum had some insane power roles but that is just me, it could be true as giving scum day talk can be like giving them an extra member if used properly. I think at least one of the power claims are probably scum powers as i personally feel 6 powers to town is a little exessive in a mini.

[Thomith]

i think it was imp who claimed to have a power but wouldnt claim because it wouldnt be good for their power, this seems to be claiming a powerful power role which would be too much for a power heavy game.

VOTE: weirdvoigts This is mainly a gut read right now, however they are seemingly trying to make me look scummy because i was focusing on things at hand rather than going "OH HEY GUYS, LETS CHANGE THE SUBJECT COMPLETELY AND VOTE FOR VOIDED, THANKS"

[Thomith]

If implosion claims something better than watcher then someone is lying about being a town power role and is probably a scum power role or goon.

I still don't see how a bodyguard doesnt work with an even night JK but that is just me, if imp doesnt claim he looks like oppertunistic scum trying to live to day 4.

[Thomith]

Bodyguard is a role that protects, Jailkeeper is a role that protects, two protecting roles in a mini game is a little abnormal.

But an Even night JK does make a little more sence with a odd night vig then a bg does, although a watcher makes more sence with a bg so that goes nowhere, i think there have been minis with 2 protection roles though, however i don't know how true that is.

[Thomith]

I honestly doubt there would be 6 PR's in a mini and they were all town, i am not doubting that these power roles are possible i am doubting they are all town sided but i don't know if i want to lynch a power role right now, implosion should claim along with the other person who didnt claim their power unless i missed something, as it might help us piece things together.

[Thomith]

That is too much claimed town power, innocent child, bg, watcher, odd night vig, even night JK i think there was another but idk.

Someone is lying about being a power role i think, although i don't know what power is unlikely town out of the above.

[Thomith]

i dont know which of them could be scum though, maybe EB because of what you think of grey but that is a bad reason to lynch him imo,
none of them made the "i am a town (power role here)" which scum usually tend to make, i cant see a scum bodyguard but that is just me, however i see no way scum would benifit from having a bodyguard.

[Thomith]

bodyguard just doesnt work as scum, so for now i believe the bg claim, watcher and even night JK do make sence as scum, even night JK works with an odd night vig and watcher does work with bg if they are on the same side, so i am inclined to believe that every claimed power is real, however i am unsure that EB's claim is a town power and seeing what the other powers are claimed to be in play, although i guess it is possible for all of these to be town but scum would need some insane powers, (or 4+ scum members) but i kind of doubt that.

The above does make sense, but what neruz has been doing today has seemed very pro-town, although i guess the above is a possibility, so i semi agree with banshee who just ninja'd me.

I would prefer a weird lynch as they seem to be voting on impulse and explaining reasons after they performed an action, rather then when they perform that action which reads scum to me.
I would prefer a VT lynch today rather than risk being wrong by lynching a PR.

[Thomith]

Really tempted to vote EB though,

I think (and i know others have stated something like this) that it is a bad idea to lynch a power claim today, i would find it alot safer to lynch from the pool of VT's today as i doubt all the scum are roaming in the PR claims and imo would benefit town more to mislynch a VT than to mislynch a PR assuming we do mislynch, and like i said before some scum may be trying to hide behind a VT claim while PRs vote the hell out of each other.

[Thomith]

on another note my activity levels will go down a little due to school re-starting for me tommurrow, and me starting some of the coursework for my GCSE which will be happening sometime next June.

[Thomith]

butt her posts are town.

Explain why they are town?

Power-role wise maybe it should work something like this-
watcher -> Bodyguard -> JK -> Innocent Child

night 3 jk wont work and the watcher or bodyguard might die, so the remaining role would be on the innocent child, hopefully both don't die but if they do... then we will cross that bridge if we come to it.

1shot cop is of order IC strength

No it isn't, if you lynch to cop day 1 then you wont get an innocent, where with innocent child they can confirm their power, also the cop might get a guilty which sometimes is less useful than a confirmed innocent

so i am L-1 which is cool as i will flip VT. WV is scum 90% sure of this, hiphop is town if EB is scum vice versa, llama is probably scum as he jumped on the wagon with no reason.
UNVOTE: VOTE: llama as i feel strongly on this.

[Thomith]

WV is 90% scum but you jumping on my wagon with no reason makes me feel uneasy, and the difference between you an WV doing it is because you jumped on a town wagon with no reason, which is what scum normally do.

The 1-shot cop cannot clear themselves and the target untill they are dead, which gives only 0-1 innocent.

[Thomith]

sorry i quoted the wrong name, i think it was rainbow who made that post, i dont know where i got your post from.

[Thomith]

Just forget the quote for now but someone said someone else was town without explaining why.

[Thomith]

You will

so

look stupid when i flip town.

You said it wasn't you, i didnt check so i didn't know, but now you say it is you why did you say that.

[Thomith]

Not that you derp, why did you say that banshee was town with no reasoning. Yes i do know what the fuck is going on, just because i dont check every detail in every post i make doesnt mean i am not paying attention to what is going on.

[Thomith]

No it doesnt, explain to me why you called banshee town with no reason.

[Thomith]

explain to me why you called banshee town with no reason.

I don't care how much to troll me elli, i made a mistake by not checking but whatever if you are town you have nothing to lose from answering the question.

[Thomith]

Doesn't look like an answer to my question, and now you brought it up why do you have alot to lose from answering the question.

[Thomith]

still doesn't look like a reply to my questions, answer it please, thanks.

[Thomith]

Lovely now answer the goddamn question.

[Thomith]

You don't just say "oh this person is town for no reason at all all" i don't think either of you are scum but i find this scummy.

[Thomith]

^ oh look scum tearing away before the lynch so they can say "i told you so" when i flip town, how predictable.

[Thomith]

I do think it's odd Llamarble didn't know Thomith was at L-1 since Llamarble directly replied to a post in which Thomith said he was at L-1.

You have some explaining to do llama.

Also i didn't mean he will asy i told you so literally he will act like he wasn't on the wagon and drew away because he thought it was a mislynch, this is what his unvote seems like.

[Thomith]

You replied to a post where i said i was L-1 and you didn't see it? I don't but it.

[Thomith]

You replied to a post where i said i was L-1 and you didn't see it? I don't buy it.

[Thomith]

Are you going to actually explain why you are voting me other than "metaing" or are you just going to vote me with no reasons to back it up like last time?

[Thomith]

Lovely reason, shame it isn't true though. Now do you have a valid reason?

[Thomith]

Imp have you read some of his recent posts, they seem completely anti-town. (him as in llamas)

[Thomith]

Now do you have a valid reason?

Answer this please.
So in mafia you lynch everyone who tunnels on you no matter what? Explain to me how this works?

[Thomith]

well i screwed that up, i posted the person i am asking the question to in the quote >.>

[Thomith]

lovely now answer the question, thanks.

[Thomith]

Déjà vu

meh, not my fault people are so stubborn nowadays, but i am to so whatever, i just shrug it off.

[Thomith]

llama i still expect you to answer the question, thanks.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Weird As i do suspect him more and llama is just acting like elli now >.>.

[Thomith]

Don't tell me your going to say this too, i am way too active as scum and town, so if that is one of your reasons then it is a bad one. Just because i can fake things doesn't mean every time i do it it means i am scum, as scum i try to mimic my town play, which is why i do those things nearly all the time.

[Thomith]

so your reason on me is basically meta?

[Thomith]

so i am not town because of meta and i am scum because of other things.
Looks like you already decided about me, so why aren't you voting me? Worried about being on the mislynch wagon?

[Thomith]

nevermind you are voting me, but why do you need to make a case if you are sure.

[Thomith]

If you have your mind made up why do you need to post a case to make you feel sure, when it is pretty obvious your mind is made up already?

[Thomith]

I always shift behavior if i think i am going to get lynched to prove you wrong, instead of acting the same way which got me voted in the same place and probably get lynched earlier if i am going to get lynched at all.

[Thomith]

Thomith, can you point to or provide a link to a finished game where you were town that you feel is representative of your normal town play?

Only other game that i got lynched in early is ongoing, as my other mini i was lynched when i was V/LA.

it is scum defending their partner, by attacking the attacker.

Oh so you didn't find neruz scummy at all for fake hammering?

[Thomith]

I think originally rainbows although i don't know for sure, but half the players had softclaimed or claimed a power they wouldn't out we basically were giving scum more informatino than town by not mass claiming imo.

[Thomith]

think Thomith will be the best lynch for today.

I don't want Thomith lynched.

Oh the contradictions UNVOTE: VOTE: EB I know we said not to lynch a power role today but this is the biggest contradiction ever, "i want to lynch this person" "i don't want thomith lynched" scumradaroffthecharts.

[Thomith]

Explain, don't just echo neruz.

[Thomith]

so minds change in the same bloody post? I'd love to hear the explanation on this one.

[Thomith]

if it is a catchup post you say
"person A would have been a good lynch today but because of Evidence X i don't want to lynch person A anymore"

You don't say
"Thomith is a good lynch for today" then later go on to say "i don't want to lynch Thomith today"
imo it was a contradiction slip, if it was a catchup post or not there is no excuse for it.

[Thomith]

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p3403185 is the post if you mean the EB contradiction post

[Thomith]

keep in mind it doesn't matter it is still a contradiction.

[Thomith]

You don't think that was enough time to change his mind, or simply forget about it as town?

Last time someone contradicted themselves like that they were scum, and that was just the most recent time i have seen it, i have seen it in other games (off site) before.
If you don't want someone lynch you don't in the same post say they are the best lynch for today.

What EB just did seems to be searching for a wagon without making it obvious, voting llama which many people have voiced suspicion on then the vote seems like he is voting before the wagon forms so he can blame someone else if the lynch is town/ take credit if the lynch is scum.

[Thomith]

Aren't scum wagons more likely to be harder to get the hammer on than town wagons?

[Thomith]

What are you trying to figure out with this question?

Sorry i misread the question you asked EB i thought you were disagreeing to logic which is why i asked the question.

I am willing to lynch EB and maybe WV, unless you can convince me otherwise this is who i think should get lynched

Why isn't she scum?

She posted a list to lynch with me on it, how would this make her scum?

[Thomith]

minor stuff like mind-changes.

If it was a mind change then why did he say he wanted my lynch and then later said he was against it, those are two opposites both stated in one post, that is not "minor stuff"

[Thomith]

Fine whatever i guess my original thought was wrong but dang i still find it weird UNVOTE: though as i am probably wrong on this.

I thought they already gave 2 plans unless i missed something?

[Thomith]

they're probably trying to avoid my wagon.

even if the scum are smart wouldn't you think at least one would be on your wagon if you are town?

is to make myself look like an easy lynch,

what do you mean by "easy lynch" i know what i think you mean but i want to know what you think you mean.

[Thomith]

1) surely using the same WIFOMY reasons you just stated you could say smart scum would know what is expected of them and so will do the opposite

2) for example the three CL thing was you trying to draw people looking for an easy lynch to you?

[Thomith]

bit pushy aren't you? How about you convince us why instead of telling us we have to vote for hiphop.

[Thomith]

Possible buddies are weirdvoigts and Thomith.

care to explain this accusation?

[Thomith]

Because calling me his buddy then not stating why is totally going to make me do that.

[Thomith]

because obviously your reads are wrong because i know they are on me.

[Thomith]

explain why i have to die at some point, explain why i am scum with hiphop if you can't explain something then don't say it.

[Thomith]

VOTE: llama
K be like that, and i'll be like this.

[Thomith]

care to explain this accusation?

and don't copy obvtown elli, this only makes me think you are trying to look pro-town by copying someone else

[Thomith]

so you are sheeping obvtown elli to make yourself look obvtown?

[Thomith]

why oh why havent you answered my question yet?

[Thomith]

no it isn't it is asking you why i am scum with him, if you aren't going to answer it then i guess you just don't have a reason.

[Thomith]

@llama it is more of a scumtell from hiphop for posting the quote on page 3 but how does this make ME scum?

[Thomith]

Something to hide llama? Why haven't you even stated why i am the "buddy"? How do we know that if hiphop is scum you aren't bussing?

[Thomith]

i am reading people, for instance you are obviously scum as you obviously have something to hide.

[Thomith]

i am unsure, before the evidence i would think town but now i really don't know, if i had to make a choice i would say town as the person who posted the evidence (as far as i'm aware) is hiding things anyway so i doubt hiphop will flip scum as i dont see why town would scumhunt but keep back information.

[Thomith]

I want you to explain why i am scum with hiphop and i want that information now, i don't give a crap if you post a case on me personally or not, i can't defend myself against your accusation if i have nothing to defend myself against.

[Thomith]

I care about it because i can prove it is a load of rubbish before the lynch meaning we may keep hiphop town alive, if hiphop does flip scum then llama is still in no way any way near cleared town as it could be a bus as previously stated, just want to put that out there.

[Thomith]

Wait i thought it was 5? were you the first vote i want to go check?

[Thomith]

glad to see the lynch a VT first plan worked.

[Thomith]

If you thought the last comment was serious then you don't know my play style at all >.>

[Thomith]

well flip me my read was completely off on hiphop so i dont know how true my read on WV or EB is.

I MADE STUFF HAPPEN

making stuff happen doesn't make you town, i still dont see a reason scum would kill someone other than a PR unless all PR claims were scum, which i doubt.

However.

I am not hammering llama yet, i am not stupid enough just to come in go "OH HAI GUYS HAMMERVOTE: BAI" even if i am not that good at this game. Of course llama is not confirmed scum but it certainly makes him look bad, although i guess Neruz is right that there are legitimate reasons either way.

[Thomith]

Town will have to no-lynch,

Why would the town need to no lynch? if there are 2 scum left we can mislynch twice before lylo, or is there something i am missing

[Thomith]

I want to hammer llama right now.

But my gut is stopping me.

I was so dang wrong about hiphop i am worried this is wrong again so i really don't want to hammer yet.

Also we ony have one confirmed town, you two are very likely town but not confirmed.

[Thomith]

I love the way that llama basically has just ignored me the whole day despite being adamant i was scum yesturday, and while my gut is telling me that my reads are godawful this game and they are all wrong it is also telling me the scumteam were going to try and get alot of lynch attention onto me.

VOTE: llama

L-2

i believe unless i counted incorrectly.

I sure hope this is right or i will be lost completely.

[Thomith]

fuck fuck fuck why did i miss a page fuck >.>

[Thomith]

He didn't post in the new day until I said something about his absence,

It is called going to sleep and going to school, something i have to do.

[Thomith]

I swear, if I die overnight and you guys don't lynch Thomith, I'm going to freaking haunt you.

Woo way to give scum a reason to kill you.

[Thomith]

I thought i read all the pages, i didnt realise i still had a page to read/

[Thomith]

ye llama was a mislynch, should have known my gut was right first time.
Crap.

[Thomith]

I dont really care if you think i am lying it is true and if you dont think so that isnt my problem.

[Thomith]

THIS IS THE PERSON WHO JUST MINUTES BEFORE "ACCIDENTALLY" HAMMERED LLAMA.

Maybe you should check who hammered.

WHY WOULD HE KNOW THERE WOULD BE A NIGHT?

i love how you call only me out when others also made the assumption there would be a night phase.

[Thomith]

Ye i would like to say this whole game has been a fail for me. Yesturday was a genuine accidental hammer but i know i will get called out on it so before you guys start ripping chunks out of me for it i have something to say:
weird showed a want to hammer by voting after the L-1 post count however i thought it was L-2 as i stupidly missed a page as i was posting from my DSI which makes it a little hard to see, i know that isnt a good excuse but the point is still there and i am not saying weird is scummy by this i am showing the differences between our "hammers" as it were.

[Thomith]

EB are you going to out who you jailed last night/ is it a good idea to do so?
Although this is assuming there is not a fourth scum but wouldn't jailed be clear?

[Thomith]

Unless i am mistaken the only third party aloud in mini's is a serial killer, and there has only been 2 deaths on night 1 which we assume the second was shot by the vig, so unless our illusive "serial killer" has been no killing every night i don't think there is a third party so would the jailed be clear?

p-edit: uhm....

[Thomith]

oh bleh my bad.

and the last 3 aren't all that informative to me

oh it isn't informative at all that you miss the wagon on me which you are in, and the second to last you wanted to hammer, thing is i didn't not yet anyway, and your town cred hammer thing makes no sence, as it is basically you saying you hammered them to get town cred so...

I would vote but i am waiting for a vote count, i don't want annother accidental hammer and i dont think anyone else does either.

[Thomith]

VOTE: WV then, as his VCA has me as scummy even though he is in nearly all the vote counts posted also, as stated by Neruz.

[Thomith]

the way he said the hammering of scum wagons would buy him town cred was as if he prepared that when he hammered the scum, as if he knew they would be scum lynches, although that could be me WIFOMing.

[Thomith]

Bashee do you think i am scum? if so why?
I have a reason for asking this before you say this question is random.

[Thomith]

banshee that half answers my question, so do you think my play yesturday was scummy?

[Thomith]

How many questions do i need to ask untill it becomes bloody obvious what i am trying to get you to realise what i am asking.
What about my play is scummy?
If you do not know this time i am going to kill a puppy >.>

[Thomith]

Ok so you forgot about acting like i was scum and lying about the accidental hammer.
Ok banshee very towny.

[Thomith]

At the end of the day you were acting like i was lying about accidentally hammering and suddenly today it's forgotten.
Explain how that is towny

[Thomith]

EB will JK me and I'm either cleared or lynched tomorrow anyway, so my level of interest in your trauma is less than you might surmise.

Is why i am not voting you atm.
And wasn't it pretty obvious in my questions what i was aiming at >.>

WV seems scummy as he says other people are scummy for things he did as well, also yeah, my gut says he's scum too.

[Thomith]

thing is i would prefer not to lynch you today as pretty much we get a confirmed alligment out of you tommurrow, unless you are a roleblocker, which is unlikely.

We don't know WV is scum even if we are pretty sure isn't it better to be prepared for another day phase incase there is one? Instead of going in with no indication on what you wish to do that day.

[Thomith]

But if we have a tommurrow and we don't get you "cleared" then we have evidence that you are not just a VT in the wrong side of a gambit.

[Thomith]

Wait you KNOW the roleblocker if in existance cannot kill and roleblock?

[Thomith]

- All blocks resolve simultaneously. This means that Roleblockers are effectively immune to roleblock.

- In the event that a Mafia Roleblocker is blocked by a Town Roleblocker, the Mafia Roleblocker will be considered blocked for the purposes of submitting the factional kill.

- Roleblocking the town roleblocker does not prevent the town roleblocker from blocking the mafia night kill, even if the night kill is submitted by another member of the mafia.


Where does it say in here mafia roleblocker cannot kill and roleblock?

[Thomith]

Oh wow i just realised how much of a fail i am.
I wasn't thinking of the JK. Nevermind.

[Thomith]

Who would you suggest elli?

[Thomith]

i am also fine with the plan as it stands.

[Thomith]

Banshee if YOU think it is best then hammer, however i would like to hear afew content posts from elli first but that is just me.

[Thomith]

So banshee was jailed correct?
I don't know, my senses are telling me it was a scum no kill but really i am probably wrong like i have been all game.

[Thomith]

implosion was unprotected so scum could have killed him for a 100% clear dead, so yes they had a good reason to kill.

Right now i really don't know, i think it is banshee which can be seen in the arguement we had i think yesturday but my gut is saying scum nokilled and it is Neruz, don't ask me why neruz but i have a bad gut feeling about him.

[Thomith]

true, but my point was if they killed EB they would have 2 100% clears but if they killed imp they would have 1 probclear and 1 100% clear.

[Thomith]

so you're saying we should lynch banshee?

[Thomith]

1) misread the post thought you said it is unreasonable to assume scum nokilled/

2) why?

[Thomith]

If i had to choose someone to lynch i'd probably pick you over anyone else.

Honestly i really don't think Thomith is scum

?

Bah our situation now is crap considering we lynched scum day 1 and 2.
If we get into 3 way lylo i really don't want to be the deciding factor, although i have no choice in that :/.

[Thomith]

I would like to lynch neruz today, but that comes to nothing if everyone else wants to lynch banshee,
reasoning as to why i don't want to lynch banshee is because a gut feeling is telling me that the scum no killed.

[Thomith]

hmm i guess it is weird that voided would bus 2 scum.

Maybe we could lynch elli as he would be the scum we wouldn't catch, however if it is wrong we have 2 heavily suspected players in lylo.

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VOTE: Neruz
If this is wrong i really don't know who would be scum between elli and banshee.

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You know what i feel that eilli would be the scum we wouldn't catch but i don't know if we will just be over-cautios and lynch elli-town if he is town.
I really want a content filled post next post by elli though.

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I really don't have anything reason-wise to lynch elli on other than:
Would probably be the scum we wouldn't catch
No content posts recently.

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So you believe elli has active lurked the whole game?

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Thats a yes then.
So if i asked you a post number of ellis you could tell me how it shows active lurking?

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Well i wouldnt say you were active lurking as such but whatever.

Elli is right as the last game i played where i was mafia and had daytalk the scumteam didn't use it at all and then my partner was lynched day 1 so i was left alone with really no use of it other than talking to myself, and i read afew others where the scumteam didnt use daytalk that much.

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You really think anyone could sneak 3 cult leaders under the review teams noses?

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I think i already did post it earlier.

If i didnt they are
newbie 1085 as town

Newbie 1102 as scum.

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I am willing to hammer pointing that out.

I am thinking that scum wouldn't RVS both scum as it would make it way too obvious that they are trying to look town although i might be WIFOMing too much here.

Elli is just making me go ugh, i really don't know if he is town or scum but my gut is telling me he is scum and he would be the scum we wouldn't catch so i don't know :/.

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Not going to try to talk us out of it?

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was that just a scumclaim?

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why would town want to "coast"?

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How does it benefit town to coast through so you are not lynched?
I don't understand.

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So the answer is it doesn't.
K.

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I get it and did before i just wanted to see if you gave a townish answer and you did except

MYLO

How do you know it is mylo?

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you forgot it wasn't tommurrow? when you mentioned the two clears and everyone posted just before you?

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where am i trying to twist it into a slip?
I was just asking a question?

Hint: they could have 4 scum (which i doubt but they could) or there are 2 scumteams (which i doubt less but still doubt)

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the first one is probably impossible but how is the second?

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meh i guess, but the point is town wouldnt know when it is mylo before 4 players but scum might, which is why i questioned that.
Anything else you want to ask me?
I didn't think about that...
the first is probably impossible because it hasn't been seen in a mini before as far as i know.

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Neruz or elli should be lynched today imo.

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if there is a no kill we probably gain another mislynch, if there is a kill we likely have 2 clears in mylo which is amazing imo.
I dont know what one, atm i am thinking elli just because he would be the scum we wouldn't catch but i dont buy the 3 cult leader thing to be genuine as it would unbalance the game for one and in the normal wiki page it says the only TP aloud in mini normals are serial killers and the sneaking under them under the review teams noses is just stupid.

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why do i keep forgetting EB is even night? >.>

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I agree with banshees idea but i think it should be why they shouldn't be lynched as well, aka why they think they are town post-wise.

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Fair point, however if they could explain motivations for actions to us it could help us decifer what mindset they are playing with.

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meh, right now i guess they should stick to your original idea, mine was just a suggestion.

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the first no kill wasn't difficult
and I remember llama plotting outt he rest in some post
or buddies in qt

What is the meaning of the quoted, and dont say "HURR YOU DONT UNDERSTAND ALOT OF THINGS" please just explain it so i can make sense of this post.

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ok.
when can we expect your case that banshee suggested you give earlier?

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Elli can you answer my previous question please, thanks.

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Why?

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EB being scum doesnt make sence as really there is no use and it would make scum overpowered giving them 3 powers.

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tbh i dont see one other than to make the jailed look guilty, or to WIFOM us to make us think that.
(although most likely the former)

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from the top of my head no, although if i think of any i will say them.

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So you are paranoid and scum for thinking there are 3 CL's in the game then?

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Scum can be more paranoid than you seem to think, although for different reasons to town, my first game as scum i was always paranoid that everyone who voted me had some kind of report on me though as scum i get paranoid that my town reads that are "obvtown" are scum.

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wait so we can lynch in mylo and hope EB jails the mafia?

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If you think he knew that then he would have faked being lynched and seemingly faked being town.

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i still dont see how a change of attitude makes you scummy anyway, i have done it in quite afew games i have been in.

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is that L-1 or L-0? Pretty sure it is L-1 but not sure.

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wait EB and banshee voted but who else did?

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Let's hope elli was the scum faking getting lynched to look town.

If not then i have no clue between banshee and neruz

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Just because of neruz's sad story i doubt he wants to be ignored/ not voted as well for me anyway it would make me feel worse to know everyone is ignoring me because of what has happened in my life, which is why i try to keep real life away from the internet but whatever.

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Woo yeah.
Took long enough, and now i learned how not to play as town form my play this game.
win all round.

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This setup was good and i find the encryptor to be an brilliant thing to add as no-one ever expects it, And i love the use of the even/odd mechanics.

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i only really thought elli would be a good lynch as they would be the scum we wouldn't catch.

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any chance of the scum QT or did i miss something?

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Lol you guys keep forgetting the qt

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lol i only read up to ellis lolrage when they were lone scum, reading the rest now.