Mini 485: Formula One (Game Over)

[Shanba]

:badvoting:

you realise we are in lylo? That means with Oman's vote on Zindie, one has to e mafia, or there would be a quicklynch. However, by adding another vote off those wagons you offer a different possibility for a quicklynch.

[Zindaras]

You're right sorry

I meant Sir Wario and Shanba as mutually exclusive.

And, instead of responding to everything I said, Oman decides to post this! Awesome! Amazing!

Vote: Pulsewidth

Either Zindaras or Shanba is his partner.

This is very convincing. Especially the reasons.

:badvoting:

you realise we are in lylo? That means with Oman's vote on Zindie, one has to e mafia, or there would be a quicklynch. However, by adding another vote off those wagons you offer a different possibility for a quicklynch.

Dude, no. This is big LyLo, not small LyLo.

[Shanba]

Meh. They're equivalent.

[SirWario]

Well a major reason for my vote on Pulse is my first roleblock choice. There was only one kill with SK and scum. I blocked Pulse and only one kill turns up. The most plausible option was that I blocked the scum and IH killed Paradox.

My only qualm with Shanba is the contradiction in our role claims. I highly doubt he would get blocked for two nights in a row. The Disco investigation is a very easily fabricated choice.

Zindaras has had no suspicion on him the entire game and it baffles me how he is still alive. I don't see why scum would leave a clearly innocent veteran alive?

[Zindaras]

Meh. They're equivalent.

No, they're not. In small LyLo, what you said was true. If there are 5 players alive and two scum, and town votes town, scum can quicklynch. In big LyLo, it's not true. With 6 players alive and 2 scum, scum can't quicklynch when one townie ends up voting another townie.

Zindaras has had no suspicion on him the entire game and it baffles me how he is still alive. I don't see why scum would leave a clearly innocent veteran alive?

I think the words "clearly innocent" say enough here. Also note the use of Too Townie logic here.

[Shanba]

Meh. They're equivalent.

No, they're not. In small LyLo, what you said was true. If there are 5 players alive and two scum, and town votes town, scum can quicklynch. In big LyLo, it's not true. With 6 players alive and 2 scum, scum can't quicklynch when one townie ends up voting another townie.

...

we have 6 alive?
Right. /me needs to pay more attention.

[Zindaras]

This is unbelievable.

I will be sobbing in fetal position in the corner.

[SirWario]

Ok, I'm still not sure on you Zindaras. I would prefer to lynch Pulse today, anway. I'll wait and see about you.

[Shanba]

srsly, why is Scope not dead? Has anyone read his posts?

[Oman]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]I'm inclined to agree with Oman though. It would make sense. Problem is, I wasn't trusting Oman's predecesors at all. Currently only trusting SirWario and Shanba.[/quote]

You trust them both, even though their claims contradict?

[pulsewidth]

Well a major reason for my vote on Pulse is my first roleblock choice. There was only one kill with SK and scum. I blocked Pulse and only one kill turns up. The most plausible option was that I blocked the scum and IH killed Paradox.

Or, you know, you could be lying about your roleblocker status. Even if by some chance you are a roleblocker, I fail to see what makes you so sure that I'm scum as you've offered very little evidence to substantiate your vote. In fact, I notice that you never really went after me until after post 376 in which I FoS'ed both you and KScope. Really, until I see some actual sensible reasons for you voting me, I'm just going to assume your vote is OMGUS, which is really poor voting at this point in the game.

I don't like KScope's input this late in the game. He's offered very little content the past several days when there is lots of interesting discussion going on.

[Oman]

I'm gonna take a guess that we have 2 scum left, do people agree that this is the most probable?

[Shanba]

I would say so. Otherwise the game wouldn't still be going.

Meh. Coming back to this, I just don't see another roleblocker in the game.

Vote: SirWario

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Shanba's and SirWario's claims do not contradict, it simply indicates 2 roleblockers. Also, I think lynching players because of their roles instead of behaviour is the right way to go, even though Zindaras not having a teammate would make sense as scum. My vote is most likely going to either Zindaras or pulse.

For the people claiming I have little input: you are correct, I haven't really being paying much attention to this game, let alone mafia in general.

[SirWario]

Well a major reason for my vote on Pulse is my first roleblock choice. There was only one kill with SK and scum. I blocked Pulse and only one kill turns up. The most plausible option was that I blocked the scum and IH killed Paradox.

Or, you know, you could be lying about your roleblocker status. Even if by some chance you are a roleblocker, I fail to see what makes you so sure that I'm scum as you've offered very little evidence to substantiate your vote. In fact, I notice that you never really went after me until after post 376 in which I FoS'ed both you and KScope. Really, until I see some actual sensible reasons for you voting me, I'm just going to assume your vote is OMGUS, which is really poor voting at this point in the game.

I know I'm not lying. I gave my reasons. It has to do with my night one block and only one kill. Its a perfectly plausible case on you.

[Shanba]

SW is almost certainly a roleblocker, or else he's scum who has a blocker buddy. Otherwise he would not know I was blocked n2.

[Zindaras]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]Also, I think lynching players because of their roles instead of behaviour is the right way to go, even though Zindaras not having a teammate would make sense as scum. My vote is most likely going to either Zindaras or pulse.[/quote]

I expected a lot more from someone who has knowledge of the theme.

Explain to me: If every single townie has a teammate, how come the teammates of the dead townies aren't in the game? The game is based on the 07 season, which means we know exactly who is whose teammate.

[Oman]

how come the teammates of the dead townies aren't in the game?

I don't understand how they aren't. The mod doesn't have to reveal partner anywhere in the scene.

[Zindaras]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Formu ... nd_drivers

Since you apparently have trouble reading, it's big, bold, and with red underlines for you only!

[Oman]

Okay lets look at it:

SPAG, Jenson Button, townie, super license suspended after Melbourne (D1)

in the season partner is Rubens Barrichello, note he didn't claim either way on a teammate

Paradoxombie, Robert Kubica, doctor, involved in fatal accident in Malaysia (N1)

I suspect didn't have a teammate due to being a powerrole.

DeathSauce (replaced ojpower), Takuma Sato, townie, super license revoked in Bahrain (D2)

Is partnered with Anthony Davidson. I do admit he doesn't have a teammate in game

IH, Lewis Hamilton, Serial Killer, seriously injured in Spain (N2)
discordian algorithm, Kimi Räikkönen, townie, super license taken away in Monaco (D3)

Had a teammate

ChaosOmega, Alexander Wurz, townie, brakes failed in Canada (N3)

NK no claim

Unvote

Reading over, deathsauce's claim was on the most interesting, claiming that DA was scum because she had a teammate.

Hmm....

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Hmmm... good point. Guess I was just hoping a little to much that the game was breakable . With that being said, I think my vote is set to stone for today.

Vote: Pulsewidth

[Zindaras]

Okay lets look at it:

SPAG, Jenson Button, townie, super license suspended after Melbourne (D1)

in the season partner is Rubens Barrichello, note he didn't claim either way on a teammate

Paradoxombie, Robert Kubica, doctor, involved in fatal accident in Malaysia (N1)

I suspect didn't have a teammate due to being a powerrole.

DeathSauce (replaced ojpower), Takuma Sato, townie, super license revoked in Bahrain (D2)

Is partnered with Anthony Davidson. I do admit he doesn't have a teammate in game

IH, Lewis Hamilton, Serial Killer, seriously injured in Spain (N2)
discordian algorithm, Kimi Räikkönen, townie, super license taken away in Monaco (D3)

Had a teammate

ChaosOmega, Alexander Wurz, townie, brakes failed in Canada (N3)

NK no claim

Unvote

Reading over, deathsauce's claim was on the most interesting, claiming that DA was scum because she had a teammate.

Hmm....

Pulsewidth claimed to be Nick Heidfeld, Robert Kubica's teammate.

[pulsewidth]

I know I'm not lying. I gave my reasons. It has to do with my night one block and only one kill. Its a perfectly plausible case on you.

Assuming you've told the truth about your role or your blocks (I still haven't ruled out the possibility that you are mafia-aligned roleblocker), then there is one explanation you haven't considered. KScope claimed to be a bulletproof townie. Now, I'm not too sure what that protects him from, but it's possible it protected him from a N1 SK kill. Other than that, the only reasonable explanation that I can see is that you actually blocked IH the first night, and that you are a mafia-aligned roleblocker.

With that being said, I think my vote is set to stone for today.

Vote: Pulsewidth

Gotta love votes with no explanation.

Looking back over the roles, I really don't see how the Mod would give the town so many power roles if there really is only two mafia. I don't think we can honestly expect the town to have a cop, a doc, a bulletproof townie, AND a roleblocker. That's just ridiculously unbalanced. Which leads me to believe that SW, KScope or Shanba are one/both of the remaining scum. Looking at the Shanba/SW roleblock explanations, I'm thinking SW is a roleblocker as he claims, just not on the town's side.

Vote: SirWario

[SirWario]

I know I'm not lying. I gave my reasons. It has to do with my night one block and only one kill. Its a perfectly plausible case on you.

Assuming you've told the truth about your role or your blocks (I still haven't ruled out the possibility that you are mafia-aligned roleblocker), then there is one explanation you haven't considered. KScope claimed to be a bulletproof townie. Now, I'm not too sure what that protects him from, but it's possible it protected him from a N1 SK kill. Other than that, the only reasonable explanation that I can see is that you actually blocked IH the first night, and that you are a mafia-aligned roleblocker.

With that being said, I think my vote is set to stone for today.

Vote: Pulsewidth

Gotta love votes with no explanation.

Looking back over the roles, I really don't see how the Mod would give the town so many power roles if there really is only two mafia. I don't think we can honestly expect the town to have a cop, a doc, a bulletproof townie, AND a roleblocker. That's just ridiculously unbalanced. Which leads me to believe that SW, KScope or Shanba are one/both of the remaining scum. Looking at the Shanba/SW roleblock explanations, I'm thinking SW is a roleblocker as he claims, just not on the town's side.

Vote: SirWario

That kscope theory is a possibility. As a roleblocker, I don't know why I'd choose the same person two nights in a row. I think they're could also be a mafia role blocker. I blocked shanba night 2 and the mafia blocked him night 3. That would balance out the two person scum with one having a roleblock ability.

[JDodge]

Vote Count

:

pulsewidth - 2 (SirWario, KaleiÐoscøpe)
SirWario - 2 (Shanba, pulsewidth)

Not voting (2): Zindaras, Oman

6 alive, 4 to lynch, 3 to lynch at deadline.