DEFCON Mafia 4.0 - СЛАВА РОССИИ МАТЕРИ

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:16 pm

Leaning Cephrir. I think its convenient GreyICE swooped in to save Cephrir and stop your nuke instead of forcing Cephrir to make a choice about the poison pill or not.

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:16 pm

But yeah, I'd endorse Cheetory nukes GreyICE (and llikely gets failsafe nuked) and then lynch Cephrir.

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:17 pm

Given that Vax is already dying, of course.

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:45 pm

Mastin is dying.

Please god nuke GreyICE.

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:48 pm

Sure.

Vote: Cheetory

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:49 pm

I mean fuck it, right?

If you're town I get to call you worse than Mastin and that will be fun to watch you cry about.

And if you're scum, then great!

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:50 pm

In post 5184, Cheetory6 wrote:Lynch me.
I fucking dare you.

Done.

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:53 pm

In post 5188, Cheetory6 wrote:Because you being oh so manipulative of this gamestate is just so town, right?

YEP.

IT FUCKING IS.

BECAUSE THESE GOD DAMNED FUCKING COWBOY NUKES.

AND THESE COWBOY NIGHT ACTIONS.

HAVE GOTTEN US HERE.

"LUL I'M GONNA PROTECT CHEETORY INSTEAD OF THE CLAIMED COP"

"LUL I'M GONNA NUKE BEFORE CLAIMS"

"LUL I HATE MYSELF LOOK HOW SELF FLAGILATING I AM, PITY ME, LUL"

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:57 pm

In post 5197, Cheetory6 wrote:How's your fucking micromanagement going now LLD?

How's your crippling depression going now, Cheetory?

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:00 pm

In post 5203, Nahdia wrote:Hey now, that's sorta crossing a line :\

What line?

Dude brought it into the game himself.

Multiple posts about it, and then an explosion at me.

So guess what, it's a talking point now.

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:04 pm

In post 5206, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 5203, Nahdia wrote:Hey now, that's sorta crossing a line :\
What line?

Dude brought it into the game himself.

Multiple posts about it, and then an explosion at me.

So guess what, it's a talking point now.

Cause maybe he's faking it for town cred.

Or maybe it's real, but he's exploiting it for sympathy.

WHO KNOWS.

Let's find out.

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:05 pm

Mod, if a lynch is averted by Battleship, does it end the day?

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:07 pm

In post 5217, Cheetory6 wrote:
In post 5211, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Or maybe it's real, but he's exploiting it for sympathy.
Yeah fucking good luck pushing this angle.
Jesus Christ like you seriously thought this would be a point that would resonate with people?
Who the fuck says this? Lol.

You're really missing the point, aren't you.

I don't give a fuck what your alignment is.

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:07 pm

But I'm totally trying to figure it out!

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:08 pm

In post 5216, Cephrir wrote:
In post 4979, Vaxkiller wrote:If hiplop doesn't stop his nuke, hes likely the SK. Other than that I still want LLD dead, with cephir being my second choice.

I still want to think more about the admiring comments from the scum.
I am just quoting this and not commenting because I'm already being somewhat toxic and there's no reason to compound it

Don't worry, at least you're not me.

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:09 pm

In post 5224, Andrius wrote:
In post 5215, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Mod, if a lynch is averted by Battleship, does it end the day?

No.

OH HEY GEE SWELL.

ANYONE WANNA TEST A CLAIM WITH ME?

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:10 pm

In post 5224, Andrius wrote:
In post 5215, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Mod, if a lynch is averted by Battleship, does it end the day?

No is my gut reaction.
I'll double-check notes though.

HE CHANGED IT.

YOU MONSTER

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:11 pm

In post 5221, Cheetory6 wrote:You probably shouldn't need to try all that hard.
My towngame is really easy to read.

I have so many things that I could say to this post that would be hurtful.

But my rage has kind of faded and I really don't feel like it's productive.

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:14 pm

In post 5231, Cheetory6 wrote:
In post 5229, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I have so many things that I could say to this post that would be hurtful.
I was queued up in the SE thread for some hurtful statements.
By all means.

BUT I'M SUpPOsed TO BUILD YOU UP AFTER

Also, doing that would totally be talking outside of game, because you brought your depression into the game.

Maybe I should report any post of yours that talks about depression for OoG communication~

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:15 pm

In post 5233, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 5225, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 5224, Andrius wrote:
In post 5215, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Mod, if a lynch is averted by Battleship, does it end the day?

No.
OH HEY GEE SWELL.

ANYONE WANNA TEST A CLAIM WITH ME?
you wanna maybe wait for the nukes to fall?

RAGE GOGGLES ON

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:15 pm

In post 5232, Cephrir wrote:Didn't lld say greyice was assuming the scum Nightkill was factional and that was weird? I see him assuming the opposite then realizing he was wrong and I'm pretty sure one person carrying it out IS normal.

No, Nahdia said that.

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:26 pm

SpyreX.

If GreyICE is the Fail Safe, he knew he wasn't getting nuked by the SK sub.

Why would he act the way he did?

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:32 pm

Vote: GreyICE

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:33 pm

You haven't answered the question.

If you knew you were being nuked, why didn't you tell people?

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:33 pm

*weren't

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:39 pm

yeah, good luck with that.

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:39 pm

Still haven't answered the question, I see.

This must be how Muffin felt in PYP

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:42 pm

You're telling me MoI took FailSafe.

Really

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:45 pm

Honestly, IDGAF.

I've known literally since Day 1 I was going to be mislynch bait later if I didn't get a cop innocent on me, so I'm genuinely super pissed at GIF for not doing that before the last fucking minute despite me asking.

But hey, when I flip town you'll look terrible.

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:46 pm

... are you the terrorist, GreyICE?

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:47 pm

Because you're right you're not going to lie about that role claim unless MoI and you are scum together which is too crazy to posit.

But if you're scum you could totally have taken AirBase and then fake nuked yourself for town cred...

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:48 pm

I'll tell you what, Keith.

Once all these nukes land and the dust clears, I'll approve my own lynch if you agree to be nuked/lynched tomorrow with no argument.

And all I need is people to cosign it.

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:48 pm

In post 5280, GreyICE wrote:
In post 5278, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Because you're right you're not going to lie about that role claim unless MoI and you are scum together which is too crazy to posit.

But if you're scum you could totally have taken AirBase and then fake nuked yourself for town cred...
THE AIRBASE DOESN'T STOP NUKES

Fake nuked yourself= Submarine targetting you but then hitting Papa Zito, not stopping a nuke.

Obviously.

I know what stops nukes, I ahve the thing that stops nukes.

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:49 pm

In post 5282, GreyICE wrote:The only thing it stops is your stupid night kill. So suck it

Agree to the death pact, then.

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:49 pm

I'll even die first.

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:49 pm

In post 5285, GreyICE wrote:You bet! I will sign on the fucking line. You pushed me to claim to get me straight in the line of the terrorist's submarine, knowing for a fact exactly how the claim would shake out.

I kinda hope we both flip town, that'd be grand.

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:51 pm

In post 5288, GreyICE wrote:WELL YOU'RE NOT FLIPPING TOWN

SO THAT SOLVES THAT PROBLEM

My role PM says differently, sorry to tell you.

Oh, and by the by? When I die, you don't get to act all high and mighty.

You don't get to say "oh she was so scummy it was her fault".

You know for a fact you can't fucking read me and yet here we are.

So when I die and flip town, the other thing I want from you is a fucking formal apology before you die.

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:52 pm

In post 5289, GreyICE wrote:Seriously I have never seen such a pile of fake smarmy bullshit as I have witnessed today. "MOI OF COURSE would take the airbase, so OF COURSE Grey has the Failsafe and he better claim right quick before that submarine fires!"

So what you're saying is that if I flip town it's entirely your fault for misreading me, right?

Just want that signed in blood too.

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:53 pm

In post 5292, GreyICE wrote:Sure. You flip town it's entirely my fault for misreading you. You flip scum, no more of this "oh you can't read me" BS that you peddle whenever I want to lynch you.

What do you mean "BS I Peddle"

You're the one who fucking says it more than I do.

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:56 pm

In post 539, GreyICE wrote:I'd say I'm good at reading LLD but it turns out I'm garbage.

This strikes me as a bunch of townies talking, outside the mystery pages, but there's no stakes so it's hard to know.

Vote:total war

It's all just posturing until people are at risk, so this portion of the game is so low stakes I can't care.

In post 4361, GreyICE wrote:
In post 4356, Cheetory6 wrote:Also, GI, same question but with LLD.
No. I self-admittedly have problems reading her. That doesn't stop me from trying.

I think she'd be trying harder to control things as scum. Pushing people to nuke people and what have you.

I mean this wasn't even that hard

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:58 pm

In post 5294, GreyICE wrote:I say I have DIFFICULTY reading you. Not that I can't read you. But whenever I want to lynch you you blame it on my paranoia.

There's a difference between saying "you are hard to read" and "I am incapable of doing this thing merely because it is hard".

This isn't paranoia this time though.

Well it is but it's not the kind I accuse you of.

This is the fact that my list landed me with a scummy role, I failed to get cleared and my day play has been aggressive and deliberately not focused on building relationships or convincing others I'm town.

So sure, say what you like, but you'll eat humble pie when I die.

And that pie is poisoned, so you'll die too, of course.

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:59 pm

In post 5296, GreyICE wrote:Yes you found two quotes from me where I say it is hard.

But go on. Try to discredit my vote in other's eyes. Don't fucking worry, I'll shove it down their throats anyway. That's what you were trying to stop when you shot me after al.

How am I discrediting your vote? I'm literally agreeing to being lynched for the good of the town in exchange for your death.

I'm not trying to fight my way out of anything, I'm literally fucking resigning myself to death and TAKING YOU WITH ME.

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:03 pm

My agreement to die was that you are nuked/lynched tomorrow and that it occurs after nukes fall.

Lady Lambdadelta · Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:07 pm

In post 5302, GreyICE wrote:WORKS THE FUCK OUT FOR ME.

Say, by the way, anyone else noticed your entire case on me was "oh he had the failsafe he knew he wasn't getting nuked" and... I didn't have the failsafe?

So she gets called out and doubles down even though the entire basis of her case was wrong? See that? Scum.

You know if Cheetory had nuked you and nohting happened the first words out of my mouth would ahve been "recall it".

The fact that you'r pushing me as you are now speaks to me of a survivalist perspective.

Which I mistook for scum but if you truly are Airbase, you're probably just the SK.

The main tennant for this is that your behaviour post nuke was super strange and then suddenly you didn't die and poof all this town cred appeared.

Feels super strange.

Oh well, it doesn't matter I don't need to sort you any further because you're dying.

Lady Lambdadelta · Fri Dec 09, 2016 2:04 am

In post 5308, Cheetory6 wrote:
In post 5303, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Oh well, it doesn't matter I don't need to sort you any further because you're dying.
It hasn't occurred to you that if you get lynched, and you do flip town, there's really no incentive for us to actually listen to what your reads were.
Especially considering your reads seem like they're generally based off of who's pushing you at the time.

Can you replace out?

Lady Lambdadelta · Fri Dec 09, 2016 2:04 am

Cause you're a worthless sack of shit, frankly.

Lady Lambdadelta · Fri Dec 09, 2016 2:15 am

That's literally the most shallow interpretation of my reads in the fucking history of anything.

Lady Lambdadelta · Fri Dec 09, 2016 2:21 am

Not nearly annoying as the depressive episode wrist slitting you seem compelled to share with everyone.

Lady Lambdadelta · Fri Dec 09, 2016 2:48 am

Vote: LLD

V/LA Until I'm Dead

Go fuck yourself, MoI.

Lady Lambdadelta · Fri Dec 09, 2016 2:48 am

I'd give reads but no one would listen to them anyway so who the fuck cares.

Lady Lambdadelta · Fri Dec 09, 2016 2:53 am

In post 5325, SpyreX wrote:afterall

I hope literally everything flips town and then you lynch me.

I really fucking do.

Lady Lambdadelta · Fri Dec 09, 2016 3:33 am

Hiplop does.

Lady Lambdadelta · Fri Dec 09, 2016 6:23 am

reading through DEFCON 3.0 makes me nostalgic

Lady Lambdadelta · Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:00 am

Unvote

Lady Lambdadelta · Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:01 am

dope mood music + respect for Vi means I care again

Lady Lambdadelta · Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:00 am

I looked at them and after extensive analysis decided they were almost entirely decoys populated using code names and vague wordings with context being the mean key to decrypting them.

Lady Lambdadelta · Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:15 am

...

admiring.

VI

ADMIRING

Lady Lambdadelta · Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:17 am

In post 5485, Vi wrote:
In post 5483, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:...

admiring.

VI

ADMIRING
Yes yes I get it scum have a role action it's called a kill etc.

No.

Nononononoono

Vi, if you were to admire someone, from a scum perspective, what kind of action do you think they're taking?

Lady Lambdadelta · Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:24 am

In post 5488, Vi wrote:People who have medium-term memories: Was there anyone
other than Fate
who wanted Untrod Tripod dead on Day 1?

LLD 5487 wrote:Vi, if you were to admire someone, from a scum perspective, what kind of action do you think they're taking?
Doc is the first action that comes to mind. Then again, how would you explain "mining"? Is there necessarily a correlation?

Well the joke answer I was going to give is that it means they love you, and that's it.

But I think admiring could be the Lawyer/Framer type deal

Lady Lambdadelta · Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:28 pm

In post 5506, Vi wrote:also I like everyone else just noticed (while reading mastin's iso no less) that the carrier doesn't block kills
so LLD getting blocked to prevent the scum kill is out
which doesn't really change anything but I feel bad because I knew I had read that already

@LLD
why did you not want SpyreX to claim in this post? I don't understand the theory behind it.

SpyreX wrote:Wait didnt zitos mastin nuke land and fail
Isn't it just a bit late to claim you don't understand things?

UT 5505 wrote:Like saying "lol opportunistic" is so tone deaf and illiterate that I'm starting to doubt my Cheetory townread
You have reads? I must have missed them.

SpyreX claiming to sabotage Mastin's silo (the obvious target) confirms Cephrir does not need to die and thus does not need to suicide.

I felt and still feel Cephrir MUST DIE for his actions is letting GIF die, and wanted to force a situation where if town Cephrir truly felt conviction in his Mastin stance, he'd swallow the pill, confirm himself as town, and watch Mastin die in a nuclear glow.

The threat was if he didn't swallow the pill, UT would recall the Mastin nuke.

Mastin recalled her nuke and the ploy became irrelevant, I just didnt bother to tell spyrex he could claim it again

Lady Lambdadelta · Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:14 pm

GreyICE is the terrorist, Vi is scum...

And this is funny.

Lady Lambdadelta · Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:17 pm

In post 5664, GreyICE wrote:
In post 5662, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:GreyICE is the terrorist, Vi is scum...

And this is funny.
You know what? There's like a 50% chance I'm dead in a day and don't have to deal with this shit anymore.

So whatever, do you agree with me and will you lynch Vi with me?

I want to see the nuke drop

Lady Lambdadelta · Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:19 pm

I think the terrorist knows they have to nuke scum here... hmmmm

Lady Lambdadelta · Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:21 pm

If you flip town I will take this game by the balls and fucking solve it for a win

Lady Lambdadelta · Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:23 pm

also, fun fact

Did you know the Terrorist has always nuked/killed people who are Silos, except when there's a bigger threat?

See: Reckoner's ACC blocking a sub nuke being a death sentence.

So I wonder why all the Missle Silos and Hidden nukes were getting killed by the terrorist.

Because the terrorist is immune to night kills and can only die by nuke or lynch?

Lady Lambdadelta · Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:23 pm

In post 5673, GreyICE wrote:DID YOU NUKE ME

I AM NOT
THE
SK

PROVEN

CANNOT BE.

LOL

Lady Lambdadelta · Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:28 pm

In post 5676, GreyICE wrote:Can you help me lynch scum for once in your miserable life rather than fucking wagoning me every time I'm town you shithead

I AIN'T EVEN VOTING, SON

Lady Lambdadelta · Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:31 pm

In post 5680, GreyICE wrote:If I were the SK I would have blown your brains out Night 1 so I didn't have to deal with this crap.

hahahhhahhah

Lady Lambdadelta · Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:33 pm

In post 5682, GreyICE wrote:You laugh like it's funny.

I laugh like you didn't do this every fucking single game we ever play together. Eat a dick

Calm down~.

You'll always be my PopeMobile

Lady Lambdadelta · Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:40 pm

In post 5674, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:also, fun fact

Did you know the Terrorist has always nuked/killed people who are Silos, except when there's a bigger threat?

See: Reckoner's ACC blocking a sub nuke being a death sentence.

So I wonder why all the Missle Silos and Hidden nukes were getting killed by the terrorist.

Because the terrorist is immune to night kills and can only die by nuke or lynch?

No guys, literally, GreyICE is the SK. Defintiely shot Cephrir today.

Vi is scum.
So is..... maybe Cephrir but Cephrir is probably dead so.... We'll see how the nuke falls.

Lady Lambdadelta · Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:42 pm

and the scum team knows this

The scum team knows GreyICE is SK... and need to lynch him today to win.

But then why did Cheet refuse to nuke Grey?

Lady Lambdadelta · Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:42 pm

maybe Vi can't be scum then...

Lady Lambdadelta · Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:44 pm

Let me walk you through why GreyICE is SK

He shot Fate because Fate would lol nuke him.
He shot Spiffeh same reason.
He shot Reck because Reck could easily tunnel onto him and block him with his ACC some night in the future.
he nuked Zito because there was the threat that Zito would nuke him.
and now he's nuking Cephrir because Cephrir's a doctor and he needs his kill to go through tonight.

Lady Lambdadelta · Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:46 pm

It's SpyreX and UT, isn't it.

Lady Lambdadelta · Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:49 pm

In post 5690, GreyICE wrote:Uh okay.

First, I'm the one person in the game Reck couldn't block. I didn't know Fate had a nuke Silo, I didn't know Spiffeh had a nuke silo, and if I did I'd have assumed he'd lolnuke Nukebringer from, oh, his stated words.

And if I need Cephrir dead that badly, why did I argue with Mastina to get her to recall the fucking nuke?

Because it's town cred for you and you wanted to save your nuke until all the nukes landed to ensure you have full understanding of the lay of the land to know who to kill.

There's situations where you need the doctor alive.

Lady Lambdadelta · Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:51 pm

Guys, I promise you on everything I have.

GreyICE is the SK. I promise you.

Lady Lambdadelta · Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:52 pm

Grey, ACC stops Sub nukes. If you got ACC'd your sub would not work and then suddenly Reck's here like "HUH NO SK SUB WHEN I BLOCK GREYICE?"

Lady Lambdadelta · Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:53 pm

In post 5696, GreyICE wrote:LIKE GET YOUR FUCKING HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS

YOU ARE BEING THE RHINOX

I don't know if lynching the SK works....

Lady Lambdadelta · Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:54 pm

I'm still convinced you're the SK

Lady Lambdadelta · Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:55 pm

The fact remains that Reck would still lynch you in a heart beat and you HATE having Reck in the game.

Lady Lambdadelta · Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:00 pm

In post 5707, GreyICE wrote:
I was actually kind of getting along with Reck this game. I've found as long as I don't read his posts he's quite tolerable. And he doesn't post.

I seriously have the least motive of any potential SK in the game to kill Reck.

YOU LITERALLY V/LA'D UNTIL HE WAS DEAD

Lady Lambdadelta · Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:01 pm

God I need someone I know is town to help me.

Cephrir, I don't know you're town but you're likely to die to a nuke. Run the numbers and tell me if I need to lynch SK or scum today

Lady Lambdadelta · Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:11 pm

In post 5715, GreyICE wrote:*sigh*

I'd ask you to put in Death Note Mafia and PYP and Neighborhood mafia and every fucking other time you've done this. And you'd call it a scum tactic and throw it in my face. So go eat a dick, I'm going to go play board games AT YOUR REQUEST

yay board games <3

Lady Lambdadelta · Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:01 am

In post 5719, Vi wrote:Since Andrius previously missed it,

Unvote: Lady Lambdadelta

In post 5646, GreyICE wrote:
Unvote

Okay, basic math time. I don't know where the nuke will land, but lets say it hits Cephrir, or me, or whatever (not Vi now, obviously). It hits town (which it will if it's either of us). That leaves us at 4:2:1. Lynch SK, 4:2. Scum NK, 3:2. With Vi and UT as our two Nukes. If Vi is scum, that's game.

Vi says mathematically we have to lynch the serial killer.

I say I might owe my wife an apology.

Vote: Vi

It's these fucking logical inconsistencies that get you every fucking time.
*me blinks*

Yeah, those numbers make sense (replacing Vi with UT in this scenario).
So we're screwed, because what you seem to be missing is that lynching scum Today is even worse.
fake edit actually we're not

Assuming the nuke hits Town (good assumption, that), we're at 4:2:1. Lynch Russian - which seems easier to do than finding a Terrorist - to reach 4:1:1. Options include 4:0:0 (Town win), 3:1:0 (MyLo), 3:0:1 -> 2:0:1 (LyLo), and 2:1:1 (could go any way).

I like that better.

Vote: Lady Lambdadelta
(L-4)
Would also vote UT because 1) scum and 2) the above Russian nuke scenario would not apply, although I'd forgive people for not going along with that.

GreyICE 5653 wrote:Vi always makes the same mistake. Vi has a plan and the plan is 100% scum.
Um, what sources do you have for this? Because I'm having difficulty remembering a time when I tried to do :theory: things as scum when the plan didn't go directly through all of my scumpartners.

GreyICE 5661 wrote:No SpyreX. I think Vi had this sitting in a word document and copy/pasted every bit of it into the QT when Vax died.
I wasn't in the game when Vaxkiller died IIRC. I get that you like the smell but this isn't really the time to keep your pants on your head.

Also if this is not LLD scumposting then I may have to rescind all prior compliments about her Town play.

It's not my fault you are bad at reading me and/or replaced into a scum slot.

GreyICE is literally the serial killer, nothing else makes sense to me. No serial killer would take a Silo and then ALWAYS PUT IT IN ICMB MODE.

Which means UT isn't serial killer, Vi isn't serial killer.

I can't be serial killer.

No serial killer ever picks doctor, so not Cephrir.

No serial killer ever picks counterintelligence, so not Nahdia.

That leaves GreyICE, SpyreX and MoI.

SK taking Fail Safe is funny and makes me wish they'd do that to be cheeky, but is also on the list of "things that are never happening".

SK taking Sabotage is... possible if they had an extremely unlucky streak of deployments and got stuck with their 5th or 6th choice, but....

It's far more LIKELY that the Terrorist GOT their first choice, which was the Air Base (which prevents them from being investigated by cop, from being killed at night and from having their Submarine Nuke sabotaged, or from being roleblocked.).

There is no one else. Literally no one else.

Lady Lambdadelta · Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:08 am

If Nahdia is 100% town I'm looking at 2 more townies in MoI/Vi/SpyreX/UT/Cephrir.

Let's assume Cephrir flips town, that means possible pairings reduce to
-----------------------
MoI/Vi
MoI/SpyreX
MoI/UT
Vi/SpyreX
Vi/UT
Spyrex/UT

We can remove some of these from absurdity.

Vi + UT is almost certainly not happening. All 5 scum members with Missle Silos in a full deployment game? That feels not possible.

-----------------------
MoI/Vi
MoI/SpyreX
MoI/UT
Vi/SpyreX
Spyrex/UT

Gonna look at something quickly

Lady Lambdadelta · Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:10 am

In post 5722, Vi wrote:Weren't you paying attention? Voting for the Terrorist is out of fashion. That's why I'm voting for, among other things, the one person who
cannot
be Terrorist.

Also you have weird ideas of what "never" and "literally" mean.

Ok but your argument doesn't hold water. Sure, lynching the terrorist is arguably worse than lynching Russians but lynching neither is worse again.

So for you to say "the motivation for my vote is that you can't be the terrorist" is ????

Lady Lambdadelta · Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:12 am

There are certain things an SK doesn't do when they're planning to live for the long game.

They don't take a negative utility role or a role that the scum will have to kill eventually.

They don't take 2 nukes and leave themselves open to jsut about every feasable form of random death possible in the game.

That LITERALLY eliminates (Nahdia, Cephrir, LLD, Vi, UT, MoI).

SpyreX's role is the ONLY FEASIBLE alternative and it just feels too weak.

Lady Lambdadelta · Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:14 am

There is EXACTLY one person who can be SK here. You want to tell me I''m good at this game and then turn around and backhanded compliment me with that shit?

Fuckig recognize that I don't play well with logic, I'm not a fucking rational god damned thinker.

And yet I get results.

Because I'm fucking right.

Lady Lambdadelta · Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:17 am

I've decided MoI is town. Reading back, a lot of the things he did just feel and have motives from the right perspective.
--------
Vi/SpyreX
Spyrex/UT

I think I can stop here for now.

I need to do the math but if we need to lynch the Terrorist, we lynch GreyICE. If we need to lynch scum, we lynch SpyreX.

Lady Lambdadelta · Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:20 am

If Cephrir flips scum... then I redo my thinking.

If a non-cephrir entity dies... I'll be entirely shocked.

Lady Lambdadelta · Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:22 am

actually scratch that this is simple

if Cephrir flips scum we lynch GreyICE, remove the terrorist, and put the scum in a terrible position.

Lady Lambdadelta · Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:33 am

5:2:1

1 Nuke 1 Lynch 2 Deaths (possible 1 death but unlkely) confirmed.
2 nukes conditional on living next day.

If Cephrir is town and SpyreX is scum, we move into night at 4:1:1.

Both scum and SK will want to shoot a townie and force a prisonner's dilema?

Unless nukes matter.

Scum has 1 nuke left in this scenario no matter what... but can't nuke the terrorist without losing the game themselves.

We town can win almost all 3:1 scenarios, because the worst that can happen is the nuke kills 1 townie and we're in lylo, which was the situation in a 3:1 defcon anyway. (both terrorist and scum will likely have a nuke)

So the question is, can town ever win a 2:1:1 scenario?

Only if one of the scum is nuked and the other lynched that day. It can't ever go to night again and that's a far cry.

And the facts of the matter are that given GreyICE is SK, he can never be killed at night by scum so it's entirely up to greyICE. He can just pick a person he knows is town and shoot them.

If both parties shoot the same person and it's 3:1:1... if no nukes are fired town can win, otherwise it's the same scenario as 2:1:1, where we need one team to nuke the other team.
-----------------

If we lynch GreyICE and kill the SK, we go into night at worst 4:2 and come back out 3:2.

Scum will have likely 1 nuke left and they can launch it, but not at MoI or Me. The town nuke would be unable to fire because SpyreX would sabotage it. so if it's...

MoI
Nahdia
Vi
SpyreX
UT

If scum nuke the other Silo and a scum is lynched it's 2:1, goes into night, kills Nahdia, game over, scum win.

And that's inevitable, there's no work around there.

Lady Lambdadelta · Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:36 am

Mod, what happens if a town fail safe and a scum are the only ones left alive? Does the game instantly end in favour of the scum? Is MoI considered still a "threat" to the EU?

or does the scum have to actually issue a kill order on MoI... and then live for 48 hours?

Lady Lambdadelta · Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:57 am

Because if scum are forced to kill MoI and it ends in a tie... they would be forced to kill MoI and not me tonight, and force MoI to make a more blind shot.

Which simultaneously gives us a chance to win, right?

Lady Lambdadelta · Sun Dec 11, 2016 3:02 am

which might make lynching GreyICE the better scenario because I'll be honest relying on the scum to cross kill and not just stick us in a prisonner's dilemma is wishful fucking thinking

Lady Lambdadelta · Sun Dec 11, 2016 3:21 am

MAD and Happy Ever After is Terrorist Win, Vi.

Lady Lambdadelta · Sun Dec 11, 2016 3:21 am

Which is why scum can't do that play if it works like I think it does.

Lady Lambdadelta · Sun Dec 11, 2016 3:22 am

Also, Grey, I've narrowed scum down to Spyrex + Vi/UT. I'm not just SK hunting so you can eat a dick for that misrepresentation.

Lady Lambdadelta · Sun Dec 11, 2016 3:27 am

In post 5740, Vi wrote:HEY WAIT A MINUTE
I thought you were supposed to be able to see right through me LLD
whytf am I on your scumlist

1) PoE: Nahdia and MoI are likely town
2) Logic: Scum have 1 more nuke, probably
3) Cheetory's behaviour: He nuked Hippo and made it seem like it was his emotional state that caused it.

Lady Lambdadelta · Sun Dec 11, 2016 3:31 am

In post 5686, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:and the scum team knows this

The scum team knows GreyICE is SK... and need to lynch him today to win.

But then why did Cheet refuse to nuke Grey?

In post 5687, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:maybe Vi can't be scum then...

In post 5689, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:It's SpyreX and UT, isn't it.

This thought process is why I lean UT over you though, so.

Lady Lambdadelta · Sun Dec 11, 2016 3:37 am

In post 5744, Vi wrote:
In post 5742, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 5740, Vi wrote:HEY WAIT A MINUTE
I thought you were supposed to be able to see right through me LLD
whytf am I on your scumlist

1) PoE: Nahdia and MoI are likely town
2) Logic: Scum have 1 more nuke, probably
3) Cheetory's behaviour: He nuked Hippo and made it seem like it was his emotional state that caused it.
1) I feel like I asked for people to tell me why Moai is Town and words happened and my brain did not process them. There's still a fuzzy spot where MoI should be. For my sake, could you etc.?
2) What the hell kind of "Logic" is that? It's not a probabilistic argument. (This is disregarding how I think UT is scum for other reasons.)
3)
screw hiplop
I cannot make a counterargument to this at this time, nor will I be able to before the game is over.

cut: by that same token why didn't UT nuke GreyICE
I mean bearing in mind there's a simple explanation that no one thought things through

UT nuking GreyICE is hard to do wihtout explination. Especially when UT has been on the choo choo mastin train, for a while now. Mental consistency is important for scum.

Cheetory was being pressured by me and as scum had every right to just be like "fuck it" and send the nuke at Grey and then blame me later for brain washing hm or something IDK.

It's way more meaningful

Lady Lambdadelta · Sun Dec 11, 2016 3:39 am

AND I TOLD YOU MY BRAIN DOESN'T WORK RATIONALLY, VI.

YOU KNOW THAT.

Lady Lambdadelta · Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:46 am

In post 5748, Vi wrote:
In post 5747, Andrius wrote:
Please hold for answers.
*grips Andrius*

That sure is an interesting group of people not voting.

NUKES ARE IN AIR, DUMMY.

Lady Lambdadelta · Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:28 pm

In post 5787, SpyreX wrote:Bullet to my head id vote
greyice for scum, ut for sk
right now.

Pedit.
Myself duh

Hey GreyICE, what do you think of this? Calculated or honest?

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:08 am

In post 5792, GreyICE wrote:Why wouldn't we be lynching LLD exactly? She jumped straight from me = scum to me = SK. It's a classic 100% scum thing to do - to be forced to try and make convincing arguments that someone is scum, and then logic yourself into actually believing they're scum, and jump to the one type of scum that they could possibly be.

Plus if we wagon any other scumbutt in the town they'll just claim SK at L-1 and stick us with a stupid fucking choice. I mean at least the SK will know where to shoot if they're aiming for scum, but good god I don't want to play the game of "do we lynch the claimed SK"

Also you're ignoring my read progression on you.

I thought you were scum when I thought you were Fail Safe.

When you turned out to be Air Base instead I quickly realized you were basically not scum, but you were still scummy, so I started looking at your behaviour through the lens of "could he be SK" and it 100% fit.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:47 am

It's hard for me to tell if MoI is really capable of being this wrong or if it's calculated.

Because when it comes to his read on me, admittedly, if Cephrir flips town my earlier stuff relating to him looks bad, so I'll grant him all that.

But wrt Nahdia, I have a few problems

1) There's almost no way scum don't have a nuke with how the nukes today have gone. Our two remaining nukes both turbo nuked vanity targets that flipped town. One being town, I'll buy. Both being town? Seems unrealistic.

2) Nahdia;s fatalistic approach to this game has been town since GIF died on Night 3 and let me explain to you why.

If Nahdia truly was scum who picked CounterIntelligence (after claiming she would do it in thread at Defcon 5), she had to know she has a limited shelf life. There's no way she can reasonably expect, with people saing "Nahdia must die" every day, she'll live too long.

So with the option to try and kill the doctor on the table why didn't a Nahdia scum team frame me, and let GiF live one more day?

FURTHER, if you think that Nahdia and I are scum TOGETHER,

WHY WOULDN'T WE LET NAHDIA USE HER ABILITY TO LAWYER ME AND THEN KILL GIF AFTER?

Of all the pairings in the world, Nahdia+LLD makes the least sense.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:48 am

I mean, MoI can't have missed that right?

That if Nahdia and I were scum together there's no way night 3 goes down the way it did?

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:54 am

and let me predict the only available counter argument

"If you let GiF investigate you and Nahdia flips scum after she inevitably dies, then you'll look bad!"

And respond to it with

1) Even if Nahdia does flip scum, all it does is throw out the results, not flip them.
2) Even without the investigation, my desire to be investigated later on would still look terrible with a Nahdia scum flip.
3) It's not possible to look worse than I do right now regardless

So there's just no way a player like me who likes to win on their own at the end of the game wouldn't take that chance, especially given my power is the power to not be nuked.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:56 am

In post 5803, SpyreX wrote:Woah now

Hiplop and mastin most definitely not vanity targets

I told hiplop to nuke Vaxkiller and he

did

Given we knew Hippo was non russian and could only, at best, be SK, why would he ever let me just dictate his nuke? It's not like he knew Vaxkiller's alignment or how it would benefit him or not benefit him.

So yeah, that was a vanity nuke.

Also, Mastin dying was a god damned blessing to the game but holy shit UT nuking Mastin was done for vanity, not for an actual scum read.

Don't fucking try and deny that.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:58 am

Oh fuck Vi's scum.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:00 am

At that point in time, when I told Cheet to nnuke GreyICE, I was set that GI was the fail safe.

So, theory time:

What if Cheetory is scum who desperately wants to kill the SK with his nuke. He doesn't know I'm wrong about GI's role (so MoI isn't Russian and neither is GreyICE) and doesn't want to die because he's scum. Instead, he chooses to nuke the person he's most concerned is the SK and frames it as "not wanting to be told what to do."

I've been slammed today for SK hunting but Cheetory literally nuked the only confirmed non-russian because he thought he might be SK and refused to nuke the possible Fail Safe.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:01 am

I was looking at this the wrong way with a 20/20 vision. I assumed not nuking GreyICE meant... ohhhhhh

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:02 am

No that fits too fucking well now that I think about it.

And it also fits with the dueling wagons from day 1 making UT less likely to be scum, given there's no way Vi/UT is a team...

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:05 am

some small sliver of my soul still hopes Cephrir flips scum but the posting he's made since the nuke was launched has been too town oriented I think.

So then Nahdia or SpyreX and that's not even a competition in my mind.

But that means I need to convince MoI and UT to lynch... Vi? Lynching the scum nuke is the way we win, right?

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:06 am

Cause GreyICE genuinely believes I'm scum and wants to lynch me to further his win condition. He's wrong, but he's not being convinced of that so.

And Vi/SpyreX aren't ever bussing.

Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Why does literally every townie need to be on the same page I hate my life.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:09 am

That's my final assesment. I agree with MoI's read on UT and my review of the nukes from today convinces me it's Vi>UT for scum nuke.

SpyreX is scum for reasons discussed before, MoI probably not scum due to the way his mind is progressing though his weird fucking shit trying to make a Nahdia/LLDpairing work is weird

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:16 am

In post 5813, Cephrir wrote:I don't need to be on the same page, I'm dead!

If UT dies I'll be shocked.

If GreyICE dies I'm done.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:59 am

In post 5819, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 5818, SpyreX wrote:Like we rraaaly need to be on the same page here cause tomorrow needs to move fast the second nukes launch.

Soo you tell me what you need for me to be town or lynch me cause that cannot happen tomorrow
who'd you shoot with the sub?

SpyreX doesn't have the sub, GreyICE does.

Holy shit this isn't hard.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:00 am

Whatever, MoI is making me not give a fuck anymore.

I'm back to hoping we lose.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:01 am

with an added side of "I hope MoI s town so he loses too and I get to watch him bitch about how it was anyone but his fault"

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:03 am

Like, MoI isn't looking to have an actual conversation in what is essentially lylo, he's looking to demean people and be a jerk.

That's why he opens with "lol" and not with actually looking to understand what someone is thinking.

So while people like me critically read his posts, and consider what he says and alter my reads to try and actually win this piece of shit game, he just tunnels and pretends he's still one of the best players on this site, when he's clearly lost a step.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:05 am

In post 5823, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
In post 5821, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Whatever, MoI is making me not give a fuck anymore.

I'm back to hoping we lose.
And now we again get AtE ...

I read your post, I fucking determined you're not interested in fucking listening or changing your mind, you're basically interested in making people feel like shit so you can feel ok.

Which frankly, if this were any other situation I'd say "Well gee that's fucking scummy that you're not actually presenting a town mindset but rather trying to dictate an agenda" but frankly I've thought too much about the fucking potentials of this piece of shit game already and determined your Defco 5 interactions were townie so FUCK IT and FUCK YOU

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:06 am

I'd also like to point out that isn't an Appeal to Emotion because I'm not fucking APPEALING TO ANYTHING.

I'm not talking to peopel and being like "BOO HOO LOOK AT ME I'M SO PUT UPON THIS IS UNFAIR PITY ME"

I'm expressing my frustration for the fucking record because this is a

fucking lost game for town

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:12 am

In post 5828, GreyICE wrote:No LLD you're not wiggling out of this now. I got paranoid at Vi and you used this as leverage to call me the SK. Get fucked scumfuck.

I forgive you because you're the SK, but can you kindly fuck off?

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:14 am

Because, and let me be perfectly fucking clear, this town will more or less have the ability to decide if you win or if scum wins tomorrow.

And the more you fucking antagonize me, the more I really want the scum to win instead of you.

So why don't you go play to your fucking win condition, and just lurk like you did all game until it matters. Ok?

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:14 am

In post 5832, GreyICE wrote:Lynching the SK is the one way to guarantee town loss.

I swear unto god do you just pop up to read things about the SK?

I LITERALLY HAVE MADE TENS OF POSTS TODAY SAYING I WANT TO LYNCH A SCUM NUKE.

YOU JYUS DON'T READ.

CAN
YOU
KINDLY
FYCK
OFF
PKEASE

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:14 am

whatever, I hate you.

don't talk to me.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:15 am

I asked for you to leave me the fuck alone and stop being an obnoxious fucking cunt.

And you decided it was necessary to be a fucking jerk to me still

so go away.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:19 am

In post 5811, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Cause GreyICE genuinely believes I'm scum and wants to lynch me to further his win condition. He's wrong, but he's not being convinced of that so.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:19 am

Your vote was always parked on me. I'm not sure what the fuck that was meant to even mean.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:20 am

In post 5839, Cephrir wrote:Aww, it isn't funny anymore.

OH I'M SO GLAD THIS WAS FUNNY TO YOU

YOU THINK I'M FAKIHNG SHIT NOW? YOU THINK I LIKE BEING FURIOUS WITH THE ONE PERSON I LOVE THE MOST

FUCK THIS GAME AND FUCK ALL OF YOU

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:21 am

In post 5845, Untrod Tripod wrote:Marital love can be so romantic

YOU CAN SHUT YOUR GOD DAMNED MOUTH TOO.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:22 am

In post 5846, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 5845, Untrod Tripod wrote:Marital love can be so romantic
YOU CAN SHUT YOUR GOD DAMNED MOUTH TOO.

LIKE WHAT DOES THIS CONTRIBUTE BESIDES BEING SNIDE

NOTHING

MUCH LIKE THE REST OF YOUR PERFORMANCE THIS GAME

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:25 am

In post 5849, GreyICE wrote:It's all bad for town, but if we lynch the SK then SpyreX+you or SpyreX+Vi can literally force the town to all die. Even if SpyreX is town, we'd still have a 50/50 of losing on the spot.

So yes, pray for crosskills.

PEDIT: Okay so your argument is I genuinely think you're scum and want to lynch you, but as SK not town. So... get dead.

Yes, the SK gets to genuinely scum hunt and be genuinely wrong.

It also helps that I'm the person the most likely to lynch you out of spite tomorrow if town is in a prisonner's dilemma, so.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:32 am

Nahdia, would you lynch Vi?

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:33 am

In post 5850, Cephrir wrote:I probably should have realized that wouldn't be taken well.

nah I'm sorry I shouldn''t have blown up at you, you were a bystander. UT too.

And I can't even be mad at Grey because he's literally the SK and it's literally his job to lynch me if he thinks I'm the biggest threat to his winning this game.

But I just wish he'd do it without making me want to bash my brains in to escape the sadness

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:40 am

In post 5857, Nahdia wrote:Not unless I saw a really really really convincing argument, no.

who ARE you interested in lynching today?

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:48 am

so after confirming with the mod that I'm not allowed to suicide without a nuke pointed at me, and that posting a fake nuke to modkill myself WOULD end the day, I guess I'm just waiting for the inevitable town loss that comes from my lynch.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:49 am

In post 5860, Nahdia wrote:SpyreX > MoI > Untrod > GreyICE > LLD > Vi

lynching SpyreX loses us the game even if he is scum, because the SK has a nuke and scum probably have 1 nuke and so that's 2 deaths that town can't control even if we have 1 nuke left which is unlikely.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:59 am

In post 5863, Nahdia wrote:im confused. do we have to lynch SK today or do we have to lynch russian today?

We need to lynch Russian Nuke today, OR, bet that there is no Russian nuke remaining and lynch SpyreX.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:46 am

well that changes everything

Vote: GreyICE

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:47 am

I'D LIKE TO LYNCH THE SK NOW.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:49 am

In post 5874, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 5870, Nahdia wrote:This means GreyICE is clear of being Russian btw. Unless you think Russia no killed. Which I mean, maybe.
remind me on the specifics of this?

There's 2 ways a night kill is stopped.

The airbase is targetted
or
The doctor saves them

The doctor is unlikely to protect against a night kill that the scum performed themselves, so...

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:55 am

In post 5882, Nahdia wrote:Also; what do you think is the likelihood Ceph protected his final partner, meaning they're nuke/lynch proof today?

You mean Vi/Cheetory?

The same person they claimed to protect Night 1?

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:57 am

In post 5884, Untrod Tripod wrote:all the more reason to SK-hunt!

It's greyICE.

It's just GreyICE.

Please just lynch greyICe.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:12 am

In post 5888, SpyreX wrote:Hahaha

Well we can have a huge discussion how this should clear me before voting begins

Why does this clear you?

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:32 am

In post 5891, SpyreX wrote:So you think i tried to convince my partner to kill himself on a nuke that wouldnt hurt and then have him climb up my ass so hard my response got a be civil from the mod.

If that clears anyone, it clears me.

I told you not to claim.
I pressured him to kill himself.
I tried to instigate the play to save Mastin.

Had Mastin not been convinced to recall her nuke by GreyICE, she would be alive right now because Cephrir would never have killed himself and UT would have recalled. And then we would have nuked Ceph with another nuke or lynch.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:36 am

In post 5896, SpyreX wrote:But jesus ceph up my ass that hard and not in a.useful.way. that should be the klaxon

And if you think I'm the sk you're drunk

you're not the SK, GreyICE is.

Obviously.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:36 am

I think town wins this game now.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:59 am

In post 5903, SpyreX wrote:Hold on

So ceph was like addicted to talking to his buddies... and cheet.

Would a scum.actually use the doc on not a partner? Does that mean we have to aim for sk and, realistically, vi now cant see endgame

Yes we lynch the SK and yes that SK is GreyICE.

I swear to god if there's 3 of you online right now I would endorse the biggest quick hammer in MS history that's how fucking confident I am about that read.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 12:00 pm

Like write a check, take it to the bank, cash it in and spend it on hookers and blow.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 12:03 pm

In post 5908, SpyreX wrote:I wanna see the vca before i do that

But I'm gonna probably do that

Normally I'd say "sure I've got time to burn"

but I really don't want to yell with Keith anymore

I hate it and it makes me a bad person and it hurts and I know it hurts him and I don't want to hurt him anymore.

I just... I want this day to end. I want this GAME to end.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 12:03 pm

And yes THAT is an appeal to emotion.

A real fucking appeal to emotion. It's bad logic. By all means you should take your time with this

I just don't want to fight anymore. I just want to love him and not hurt us anymore.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 12:09 pm

In post 5915, SpyreX wrote:
In post 5910, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:And yes THAT is an appeal to emotion.

A real fucking appeal to emotion. It's bad logic. By all means you should take your time with this

I just don't want to fight anymore. I just want to love him and not hurt us anymore.
Ftr I'd recommend not paying together the real world is so much more important and we don't need to lend festering wounds

Also if you janked me i swear

VOTE: ferry

I'm considering not playing mafia anymore after this game. At minimum, I'm not playing any more games for a few months. This game has shown me I'm still not past my rage and I need more time to control it.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 12:11 pm

I've been a terrible person this game and I just... don't like it.

Emotionally my response to frustration and anger is still to express rage and not find better outlets, and it can't be.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 12:41 pm

In post 5923, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Can we like wait for 24 hours? Just because a Ceph flip gives us breathing room doesn't mean we need to waste it.

I can't make anyone do anything, but I am beseeching you guys to end my nightmare.

So take the time you need, if you think you have something you need to sort out, but don't just delay because we have the option to.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 1:07 pm

In post 5926, Vi wrote:gdi lld are you actually town ffs jfc mew

yeah no fuckin' shit I'm actually town.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:34 pm

UT is not the serial killer, GreyICE is.

Vi if you're town and giving me any amount of nip...

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:55 pm

In post 5964, GreyICE wrote:Yeah see when I'm making fun of you in the post game, it's gonna be... oh it won't mean shit you'll do it again. I don't know why you hate Wisdom, you're just like him.

Now UT, answer. It's gonna look hella bad tomorrow if you don't.

If I'm wrong go ahead and make fun of me, I don't play by any different rules than anyone else.

But I'm not wrong. Not this time.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:03 pm

In post 5966, GreyICE wrote:Haha.

So I'll talk to the non idiot townies. That's everyone else alive FYI. You go do you.

I'm going to pretend this is an act and that you'll take all this back when I get that glorious glorious SK flip after lynching you.

Makes me a much happier kitten.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:10 pm

"doing this every game"?

This was a 28 player game.

And there are 7 people left.

I deliberately didn't touch you for 3 straight days worth of lynches because I know I have a tendancy to see your actions as scummier than they normally are.

But this isn't that, and I know it. We HAVE to lynch the SK today and you are just the SK. If you want to accuse me of attacking you every game, go for it, but it seems to me that you'd like me to just play with you in games, never scum read you and then lose to you half of the time.

And then you rub it in my face.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:17 pm

In post 5973, GreyICE wrote:Oh yeah, rubbing wins in my face. You never do that every time you draw scum or traitor.

I'm not immune to being an asshole, I'm just saying let's be equal here.

You never stop suspecting me in board games or meat space mafias because I always draw scum, and I always accuse you of exactly this shit you're saying here.

And then when you buy it and I am scum, I laugh at you.

So at this point, we both know that we're obligated to make this claim because we both have a healthy suspicion of each other because we're both extremely competent scum players.

I look at your play this game and I see Marketplace Mafia, not Bebop Mafia. That's the truth of it.

If I'm wrong I'll own that shit and you can chew me out. This isn't gonna be a PYP Team Mafia situation. We're not going to agree to disagree on who played badly. If I lynch you and you flip town, that's on me.

But you have to know that saying "you always do this" and getting mad at me does nothing because it's required for you to say if you're SK BECAUSE you'd say it as town.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:26 pm

UT isn't scum for obvious reasons. Counter wagon to SS, all that shit.

UT isn't SK because he's got a bloody silo and he's never ever in the history of ever put it in defense mode.

I cannot ever see an SK who gets Sub + Silo. Sorry. Just not happening. Literally almost every other ability that can be deployed is more useful

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:45 pm

In post 5980, GreyICE wrote:Also you neglect the possibility he did put something else first and just got unlucky. Sub was obviously the bonus choice.

No disagreement on the Sub choice, but that first thing is impossible.

Just pretend this text is in red for flashy show, will you?

Untrod Tripod claimed he would be going for nukes and only nukes from DEFCON 5, prior to deployment but after receiving alignment. He even mentioned they'd be phallic shaped.

so the argument that UT went for a deployment and lost out on the lottery doesn't hold a lot of water with his DEFCON 5 actions.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:48 pm

In post 5982, GreyICE wrote:So order the abilities that are better than a limited bulletproof/additional kill. Go on, order them. Then explain to me how it's guaranteed by roles again. Because I don't think anyone in the entire game got their third choice.

ACC, Sabotage, Air Base, Fallout Shelter, Fighter, Espeionage, Strategic Missle Defense.

All better than a Silo he has never put in Defense Mode.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:56 pm

Sigh.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:01 pm

In post 5991, GreyICE wrote:That wasn't an answer

Who nukes UT after day 1?

This answer requires quotes and read backs, and I am studying while talking to you.

Exhibit an ounce of patience.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:07 pm

In post 5994, GreyICE wrote:Also hilarious you're calling for me to be speedlynched

Then demanding patience

Fuckwit

I'm a hypocrite, sue me.

I also happen to be town and you also happen to be SK.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:08 pm

I'm literally trying not to be baited into a fight with you because I hate it?

and the call for the speedlynch was to avoid exactly this?

So yeah, my behaviour is internally consistent I think

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:16 pm

In post 5997, GreyICE wrote:So you'd rather mislynch me quickly than try to find scum. Stupid but consistent?

Fine. I'll talk to others.

That's not even close to correct but if it means I get to not fight with you I'll take it.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:39 pm

Hey if you're around can you get on Skype or Discord?

I need you to look over the email I'm sending concerning my exam being postponed.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:43 pm

Lady Lambdadelta · Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:18 am

In post 6003, Vi wrote:
In post 5962, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Vi if you're town and giving me any amount of nip...
...you should be grateful? I mean the whole thread has been high on plutonium; why not try more natural substances.

Frankly this talk about both of you quitting Mafia and/or deleting your accounts makes me legitimately happy. That's not even a personal attack; it's my desire to see both of you happier people. Have we finally reached a point where people are going to internalize that Mafia is a toxic game? I mean this is DEFCON; everyone was going into this saying
most enjoyable game yeaaaaah
and if this is as good as it gets then frigging etc. Step out of your comfort zones and do something else with your lives.

Yet I'm not going to end your traumas soon, because I'm not hammering GreyICE.

Vote: SpyreX
(L-3)

Between the attractiveness of a shot of opportunity on the other Sub, the vote of opportunity on GreyICE, the fact that he's the razor response to the doubled nukes, and the fact that no one alive is as much of a space cadet as hiplop, this is the vote I'd be most fine with getting wrong Today if it is wrong.

Do you think SpyreX is SK?

Lady Lambdadelta · Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:10 am

Yeah ok I totally believe Vi could be scum.

Lady Lambdadelta · Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:11 am

Vi talking like GreyICE can still be scum is like watching someone desperately try to cling to the last remnants of hope for their game.

Lady Lambdadelta · Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:11 am

GreyICE is either town or SK. End of story.

Lady Lambdadelta · Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:57 am

MoI, has your opinion changed about GreyICE being the SK?

Lady Lambdadelta · Tue Dec 13, 2016 6:19 am

In post 6015, Nahdia wrote:
In post 6012, MagnaofIllusion wrote:I don’t think anyone left alive is incompetent enough to have fired of a Terrorist Sub at a target who is already slated for Nuclear Death due to not paying attention. Which means very probably that they felt PZ was enough of a threat to them that it was worth wasting their Defcon3 stealth nuke in case PZ had been Doc protected.
I mean,
maybe
. But I don't see why as a terrorist you don't just... wait and see. Zito had already fired his nuke off.

Worth stating again that Fate was screaming for UT's death just before he got murdered. Really, someone should have taken notice of this sooner (or maybe they did & I missed it).

I can name a player who was decidedly not reading the game at that time.

His name is GreyICE.

Lady Lambdadelta · Tue Dec 13, 2016 6:56 am

Nahdia can I beseech you to put your faith in me and my read?

Lady Lambdadelta · Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:27 am

In post 6028, Nahdia wrote:You can beseech me, sure. I'm just not sure I'm on board. If you frequently scumread GreyICE when you play together why wouldn't he kill you early? I kind of believe it when he says he would.

Because I had no cred.

Think about it, when have I ever gotten my way this game so far? Never. Not once.

I had no sway with lynches.
I didn't have a nuke.
And while he thought I was scum for a while, it didn't matter because he's not night killable.

He thought he could get me lynched later because of my role, so killing me never benefits him, espcially when I made a deliberate point to publically ignore him and not try reading him until Day 3 or so.

There was just never a good reason to kill me.

Lady Lambdadelta · Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:29 am

In post 6030, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
In post 6013, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:MoI, has your opinion changed about GreyICE being the SK?
Not completely. My hurdle for it is the timeline. Why does GreyICE fire that Sub Nuke BEFORE Spyrex claims to have sabotaged mastin? If he felt PZ was a threat why not simply hit him with the Terrorist Nightkill.

I mean the kill on Reck suggests he was more worried about not being able to Sub Nuke if blocked but why not Sub Nuke Reck in that case? I’m having a hard time reconciling how that Nuke went off given what I just dug up.

Do you disagree with my timeline or analysis?

--

In post 6014, Nahdia wrote:Ah yes, my brilliant master plan as terrorist; pick the framer/lawyer role, explicitly say im picking it, acknowledge early on that there are scenarios under which i will need to be utility nuked. A role that will bait the ACC, which at the time I thought stopped the kill. Yes, brilliant. Man I'm good at mafia.
This is pretty bad as responses go.

1. You were not going to get ACCed for your claimed role. The role you should have been worried about was Radar and wham – Terrorist doesn’t care as the Radar doesn’t see the Nightkill, you can quietly sit and not CounterIntelligence like a Good Little Townie, and begging for a Utility Nuke seems to served you well to not get nuked doesn’t it. Also – you aren’t going to get targeted by the Commies as your claimed role is no threat to them.

--

In post 6025, Untrod Tripod wrote:it's almost like the terrorist would want to eliminate possibilities of being nightkilled or nuked. can't imagine why that would be.

I don't understand, are you advocating that Nahdia is the terrorist, or are you saying it's a hamhanded framejob?
Fact remains that besides PZ had a hard on for Nahdia and probably had her next after Red Coyote if he survived. And let’s be real – what Nuke is the most dangerous to the Terrorist? The one that can’t be easily intercepted and doesn’t immediately say “This is my target”.

If I could explain the PZ nuke, I'd have all the answers. I frankly can't.

But the manner in which I won PYP mafia has taught me that just because one portion of somethign doens't make sense, doesn't mean we should clear him for it.

All the othe circumstantial evidence points at him being the SK. Every other piece fits.

Where as with UT/SpyreX theories, it just doesn't fit. It really doesn't. There are less pieces.

Lady Lambdadelta · Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:32 am

it's entirely possible Grey next leveled us and read into SpyreX's posts and assumed Zito would live. It's also possible he just really wanted to make sure that the other Sub was dead.

Because what's the biggest threat to an unkillable SK? A hidden nuke that he can't reason with or scream at to be recalled.

That's my theory.

Lady Lambdadelta · Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:02 pm

In post 6055, Nahdia wrote:Uuuuhhggg. I don't know, dude. LLD hasn't convinced me on GreyICE at all, and I don't see why UT and SpyreX are voting there either. I understand the argument for voting SpyreX but just... his play and his draft are so un-SK like. Unless he's going for "do stuff the SK would never do". awiiefjosrehgui

I'm never going to convince you fully, because most of my read is circumstantial evidence about the kills and his role, and ho GreyICE has handled the pressure.

He threatened to quick hammer himself. I know for a fact as town he'd have just DONE it, instead of pussy foot threatening to do it.

He fucking did it as town in a recent game.

Look, just give me this. Trust me. This is the play.

Lady Lambdadelta · Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:08 pm

In post 6056, SpyreX wrote:Like i said i could have dealt with russian talk up until the ceph lynch but never sk. Not in infinity years in the multiverse.

Grey you're starting to sway me some these slowbies are gonna paranoia me into stasis

You know he kills me tonight right?

If we don't lynch him he kills me tonight.

And then we never have a chance to lynch him again because BRAIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNSSSSSSSSSSSSSs

Lady Lambdadelta · Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:46 pm

In post 6059, GreyICE wrote:Man you know for a fact that was a fucking awful point for me so go fuck yourself.

I mean, are you saying this game isn't making you feel similarly awful?

I'm not trying to fucking condemn you for the action, you know that.

I'm just pointing out the similarity in emotional response and the difference in action.

Lady Lambdadelta · Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:47 pm

Like you're already insulting me and comparing me to players you hate so it's hard not to draw the comparisson.

Lady Lambdadelta · Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:47 pm

In post 6063, GreyICE wrote:
In post 6061, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 6059, GreyICE wrote:Man you know for a fact that was a fucking awful point for me so go fuck yourself.
I mean, are you saying this game isn't making you feel similarly awful?

I'm not trying to fucking condemn you for the action, you know that.

I'm just pointing out the similarity in emotional response and the difference in action.
Yes Lexi, the day I was laid off from my job which I at a firm which I was hoping to stay at long term, forcing me to go into the fucking horrid job search cycle again, which has fortunately worked out was SLIGHTLY worse than the day you decided to be an unutterable prick in a mafia game.

...

was it actually that day?

Lady Lambdadelta · Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:48 pm

alright that's probably not comparable then...

Lady Lambdadelta · Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:49 pm

In post 6062, GreyICE wrote:
In post 6058, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 6056, SpyreX wrote:Like i said i could have dealt with russian talk up until the ceph lynch but never sk. Not in infinity years in the multiverse.

Grey you're starting to sway me some these slowbies are gonna paranoia me into stasis
You know he kills me tonight right?

If we don't lynch him he kills me tonight.

And then we never have a chance to lynch him again because BRAIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNSSSSSSSSSSSSSs
So "I" kill you tonight and what? Get nuked tomorrow?

Fine by me because when UT flips SK I'll get to laugh straight to the bank with this.

By who?

You're lynching UT.

and Vi's either scum (won't nuke you yet) or town and wrong (won't nuke you ever)

So tell me again how you're slated to die?

Lady Lambdadelta · Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:52 pm

In post 6067, GreyICE wrote:Actually, I made a list of all the days you've been an unutterable prick in a mafia game.

It's like... all it says is "ending in the letter y?" Why that's... Monday, definitely and Tuesday, and Wednesday and Thursday too... Friday... Saturday... holy shit, I think it's all of them.

My conviction isn't faltering and frankly if you're this upset that I'm scum reading you, I don't know what to tell you.

You're literally upset at me because I decided you were the serial killer in a lylo situation. The rest of this shit is you blowing up at me.

I'm genuinely trying to not fucking yell scream or get angry with you anymore because it's not worth it and it's like you're trying to bait me.

Lady Lambdadelta · Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:53 pm

In post 6070, GreyICE wrote:Okay, if Vi doesn't nuke me as scum.

Vi doesn't win the game.

Get that? Vi-scum must nuke me to win the game. It is absolutely a thing Vi scum must do.

Ok but Vi nuking you after their play today as scum means Vi is instantly lynched for the cognitive dissonance.

Vi is planning to nuke you at the last minute.

Lady Lambdadelta · Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:53 pm

or not at all, if Vi is town.

Lady Lambdadelta · Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:57 pm

In post 6074, GreyICE wrote:And if hypothetical serial killer me shoots Vi tonight, then what am I going to do? Submarine you tomorrow?

Or maybe... maybe... maybe I'm trying to lynch a guy who I think is the SK? Holy shit Lexi, he doesn't even know what about your arguments he likes. If he ran the self-preservation flag up any higher he'd need a beanstalk to mount it on clouds.

The entire town don't even know what to make of my arguments, that's not really a concern for me.

I have terrible fucking arguments. In the end, it comes down to circumstantial evidence, night kill analysis, role choice speculation and "GUT >=D!!!!".

It doesn't change the fact that I'm right, but it's not something I'm going to have an easy time explaining. I can't fucking do the logic thing where people are like "ah yes and in post 357, he made this claim and clearly that indicates"

No. I can talk about tone, I can talk about intent, I can talk about motivation.

And that's it.

Lady Lambdadelta · Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:59 pm

In post 6075, GreyICE wrote:
In post 6073, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:or not at all, if Vi is town.
Vi is absolutely planning to nuke me if UT doesn't flip SK and the SK doesn't die tonight. And I'm fine with that.

Ok but if we lynch town, isn't the game over?

We're currently 5:1:1

4:1:1 if scum and SK both kill town

2:1:1

Lady Lambdadelta · Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:00 pm

In post 6077, GreyICE wrote:
In post 6071, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 6067, GreyICE wrote:Actually, I made a list of all the days you've been an unutterable prick in a mafia game.

It's like... all it says is "ending in the letter y?" Why that's... Monday, definitely and Tuesday, and Wednesday and Thursday too... Friday... Saturday... holy shit, I think it's all of them.
My conviction isn't faltering and frankly if you're this upset that I'm scum reading you, I don't know what to tell you.

You're literally upset at me because I decided you were the serial killer in a lylo situation. The rest of this shit is you blowing up at me.

I'm genuinely trying to not fucking yell scream or get angry with you anymore because it's not worth it and it's like you're trying to bait me.
I'm genuinely upset you brought up something which I told you for a fact at the time the reason for.

I told you I didn't want to bring it onto this site, I wanted to quietly go VLA in this game and forget about that game and focus on the job search.

And you fucking made it a point against me in this game.

Fuck you, that was a low fucking blow.

I didn't even realize that was at the same time as the other game, dude.

I honestly didn't know.

I'm sorry.

Lady Lambdadelta · Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:07 pm

Do you think I don't have paranoia about UT?

I'm convinced you're SK but the scum thing is like...

it's not SpySpy-chan... and not Nahdia.

Probably not MoI

So what, ti's Vi or UT? consistent with my nuke theory?

And it's more likely than not I'm only getting one shot at it?

That's how I view this.

I only get one shot to lynch the SK, one shot to lynch the scum.

I have no presence or credit beyond INITIAL force of personality. People are following my read on you because I am confident. And I am confident.

if I die, it won't happen...

Lady Lambdadelta · Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:24 pm

In post 5806, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Oh fuck Vi's scum.

In post 5807, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:At that point in time, when I told Cheet to nnuke GreyICE, I was set that GI was the fail safe.

So, theory time:

What if Cheetory is scum who desperately wants to kill the SK with his nuke. He doesn't know I'm wrong about GI's role (so MoI isn't Russian and neither is GreyICE) and doesn't want to die because he's scum. Instead, he chooses to nuke the person he's most concerned is the SK and frames it as "not wanting to be told what to do."

I've been slammed today for SK hunting but Cheetory literally nuked the only confirmed non-russian because he thought he might be SK and refused to nuke the possible Fail Safe.

In post 5808, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I was looking at this the wrong way with a 20/20 vision. I assumed not nuking GreyICE meant... ohhhhhh

In post 5809, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:No that fits too fucking well now that I think about it.

And it also fits with the dueling wagons from day 1 making UT less likely to be scum, given there's no way Vi/UT is a team...

In post 5810, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:some small sliver of my soul still hopes Cephrir flips scum but the posting he's made since the nuke was launched has been too town oriented I think.

So then Nahdia or SpyreX and that's not even a competition in my mind.

But that means I need to convince MoI and UT to lynch... Vi? Lynching the scum nuke is the way we win, right?

In post 5811, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Cause GreyICE genuinely believes I'm scum and wants to lynch me to further his win condition. He's wrong, but he's not being convinced of that so.

And Vi/SpyreX aren't ever bussing.

Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Why does literally every townie need to be on the same page I hate my life.

In post 5812, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:That's my final assesment. I agree with MoI's read on UT and my review of the nukes from today convinces me it's Vi>UT for scum nuke.

SpyreX is scum for reasons discussed before, MoI probably not scum due to the way his mind is progressing though his weird fucking shit trying to make a Nahdia/LLDpairing work is weird

Lady Lambdadelta · Wed Dec 14, 2016 1:51 am

In post 6087, Vi wrote:
In post 6055, Nahdia wrote:Uuuuhhggg. I don't know, dude. LLD hasn't convinced me on GreyICE at all, and I don't see why UT and SpyreX are voting there either. I understand the argument for voting SpyreX but just... his play and his draft are so un-SK like. Unless he's going for "do stuff the SK would never do". awiiefjosrehgui
I don't think you understand my point. I won't claim to direct what you do, but get off the damn sidelines.

I don't really care about deployments being scummy or not.
hm maybe I should? I haven't paid attention to who claimed which drafts but I know that you basically either get your first pick or nothing. That said "people with bad SK deployments" pretty much only eliminates Nahdia and maybe SpyreX though.

LLD 6072 wrote:Vi is planning to nuke you at the last minute.
I would also point out that I have no expectation of SEEING the last minute. I think you've figured this out, but nuking GreyICE should 100% be considered a scum claim. Me and GreyICE being the last two players are alive such that this kind of suspicion is warranted is... possible, I guess? but considering the game state now and where it's going, etc. And I'd point out that my play recently, if coming from scum, has really been the self-aware triple-cross where I point out that GreyICE is a must-dead for Russia and then proceed to argue
against
lynching him, knowing that this makes people so hype FOR doing so because nothing I suggest ever works and people live to shoot my ideas down. As scum I would have stfu about that bit a long time ago and waited for someone else to inevitably figure it out (preferably after I hammered GreyICE AS I COULD HAVE DONE FOR THE PAST 24 HOURS AT MY LEISURE WITHOUT FATAL REPERCUSSIONS INSTEAD OF RESISTING THE WAGON SO HARD).

The most charitable things I have to say about the rest of the overnight discussion are mostly not charitable enough to post, but I would like to ask GreyICE if he has ever dug through his ass to find all those games where he's seen me as Town, or if he's been satisfied with whatever fits his predecided notion of me being scum.

IF YOU ARE SCUM YOU CANNOT LYNCH THE SK TODAY.

SK DYING TODAY IS GAME OVER FOR SCUM!VI. YOU NEED THE EXTRA KILL.

Lady Lambdadelta · Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:56 am

MoI, Nahdia, will one of you please hammer GI so we can stop the rumination on the same points?

Lady Lambdadelta · Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:04 am

SpyreX, sabotage Vi.

MoI, if you're shot tonight, put a bullet in Vi's eyes.