Newbie 2077 : The Curse of a Blue Diamond!! - Gameover

[Dwlee99]

Oh am I famous now?

[Dwlee99]

I figured D4 would be ELO which sounded exciting but we still have a mislim which is less exciting.

[Dwlee99]

And we are in mountainous okay

[Dwlee99]

Oh cows you're conftown that's fun. Then I get to live to ELO if it happens. Epic

[Dwlee99]

If scum no kill and then you get limmed then there is a chance scum get blocked next night. That's a 1/4 chance of losing outright.

[Dwlee99]

What's strange? :p

[Dwlee99]

Okay so someone tried to night kill Kenny right? Why'd that happen?

[Dwlee99]

Assuming no bussing is wack. I will read day 2 at some point to vibe check that assumption.

[Dwlee99]

Ty ty

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Who do you think would no-kill instead of kill there?

[Dwlee99]

From skimming my ISO aren't I the reason scum got flipped day 2? Why do you think I'm most likely after Strange, Pav?

[Dwlee99]

hi norwee i think you are scum and people should vote for you

??

[Dwlee99]

I've played with STD and it's just how he rolls, that's correct.

[Dwlee99]

No I was asking who would have killed/not killed last night.

[Dwlee99]

I see, yeah that kind of puts a wrench into that thought for sure this but I think it would be better if there was more games of STD playing like this consistently as both Town and Scum. What you said about Norwee's post feels like a half truth to me though, not entirely true but not wrong.

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[Dwlee99]

That can't be a legit thought process right?

[Dwlee99]

I'm torn between sheeping STD rn on Pav and doing my own analysis. I should probably do my own when I get more of a chance, but all the sub outs are difficult to deal with when reading parts of the game.

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Of course both of that would be if I weren't accounting for him being scum.

You should explain how 1691 comes from town or die

[Dwlee99]

Your thought process was fake

[Dwlee99]

You haven't even attempted to explain your thought process, just vaguely gestured that you're forgetting details ???

Do you even know what I take issue with?

[Dwlee99]

I see, yeah that kind of puts a wrench into that thought for sure this but I think it would be better if there was more games of STD playing like this consistently as both Town and Scum. What you said about Norwee's post feels like a half truth to me though, not entirely true but not wrong.

This post bad

What is it bad?

[Dwlee99]

That post mentions nothing about what you're talking about

Read 1691, explain what you were thinking.

[Dwlee99]

?

I disagree that you covered what you were thinking

[Dwlee99]

I see, yeah that kind of puts a wrench into that thought for sure this but I think it would be better if there was more games of STD playing like this consistently as both Town and Scum.

I have condensed it. Explain this part?

[Dwlee99]

My issue wasn't with the part you quoted csl, but that is the only part strange is talking about.

[Dwlee99]

Yes, but that makes no sense when *gestures at STD's join date*

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They say if there were more games of STD they could figure it out like STD is a newbie. He has many games to look at

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Because who thinks STD doesn't have enough games to look at

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I mean maybe I'm misreading which okay but also I asked for them to explain their thought process and they explained everything but that and now I'm sad you may have given them an out if they're scum

[Dwlee99]

The out is you give am explanation for their post

[Dwlee99]

Okay but there are other games that you can look at for STD. He plays pretty much every game like this and clicking his name would be enough to figure that out

[Dwlee99]

Okay I need to put time into this game reading over past interactions and I'm typically a reactive player so this isn't my forte exactly, and I'm going to need a dedicated block of time to do it (phone posting would not be the way) so expect something by Sunday afternoon hopefully

[Dwlee99]

If LQ is forsure town we win going pav->strange or strange->pav and I wouldn't mind going pav first because of how they tried to set me up if strange flips town.

[Dwlee99]

STD thought you're evil which is a not awful reason to flip you

Idk I still need to analyze shit etc. at computer especially cause replace outs but

[Dwlee99]

HURT: Strange
I read some stuff and think salsa interactions say scum

(Also Kenny was spewed town why was he limmed wow)

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Like when Salsa chainsawed kenny after voting uranus

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That answer doesn't satisfy me in the least. I thought that maybe you didn't vote because you were town and didn't want to make a random accusation. Or you were a diamond thief and didn't want to be suspicious because of random voting.

But now you tell us you were to tired to do a simple rng. But posting was ok as was doing the rng one and a half hours later. And to top it of your 'randomness' casts the second vote on someone. All in all that seems highly suspicous in my eyes.

And as it is day 1 and we as town do not have any information at all (except maybe those with power rolls having informations concerning the general setup) this little bit is enough for me to undo my random vote.

UNVOTE: floo
VOTE: Uranus

And as I just read in Radical Rats posts while watching the preview to this post: As far as I read in the wiki and was usual in the days long gone by random voting to get things started on day one is quite common. Voting (or not voting) for someone because of his avatar is even more sus in my opinion. For me it seems as Radical Rat is trying to be helpful to Uranus (allthough I just asked a question). So I see a slight connection between those two.

Too solvy (it's not a correct word, don't know the correct word) to be town.....

UNVOTE: A to Z

VOTE: kennyk

@ floo: is there any reason why you voted me? A post with a vote and nothing else seems to be suspicous, too.

@ Radical Rat: I diagree with your sight on randomness. If I said "I vote for floo because I think his avatar is the worst of all." instead of "I rolled a dice." you wouldn't have any other information. First you don't know if my claim is true.

Second I agree with Uranus' last post. The only people with informations are the mafia and to some degree townies with a power role. Vanilla townies have no clue what's going on. Those townies with a special role may have a clue which setup is used. But this can only help a little further in the game. Except if there are masons no towny knows who else to trust. So any early vote by them has to be random.

Scum on the other hand knows who their enemies are. But they don't know who their worst enemies are. Wrst in this context may mean those townies with special roles or even players with some playing skill. As this is a newbie game, there is not much to know about the playing skills of those playing (except th SEs). So a vote from mafia has to be random, too.

(Claimed/Pseudo) Random first votes on someone in the earliest stage of a game don't give me anything. They could be true town random or pseudo mafia random without anyone knowing. A second or third vote on someone seems to be much more revealing to me.

One other thing concerning the random vote: As I mentioned in that post it was for the sake of getting this game started (and that definitely seemed to have worked). It was just beating around the bush. As soon as I got any other evidence I changed it. I would have for sure unvoted if there was a chance for a kill on that person just on that random vote. Any of my votes that are part of a majority to kill someone are going to be at least based on some believe on my part that that person is evil.

VOTE: kennyk

Wow, two votes by the same person

@Salsabil Faria: your willingness to vote on me for me trying to solve things looks fishy in my eyes.

VOTE: kennyk

Maybe we are just two townies getting at each others throats and mafia laughing their a**s of and waiting for the right time to hop on the train (and maybe one of them is already on it).

And who is that scum you think atp?

[Dwlee99]

I'm here and just see the VC. I'm still recovering, don't have energy for catching up yet. Are we agreeing to eliminate

Uranus

here? If so then I'll hammer right away. If not then I've to catch up which I don’t want to atm...

There is this though?

[Dwlee99]

Kenny was so obvtown I'm so sad

[Dwlee99]

Strange is uranus

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Anyway my point is salsa chainsawed for strange!slot attacking Kenny.

That quote about being willing to hammer strange!slot could be anything I think

[Dwlee99]

Chainsawing is when you defend someone by attacking their accuser

[Dwlee99]

Anyway my point is salsa chainsawed for strange!slot attacking Kenny.

That quote about being willing to hammer strange!slot could be anything I think

X Doubt.

CSL already addressed this I think but what exactly do you disagree with?

[Dwlee99]

I'm just waiting for LQ to explain why he said doubt on me just saying things that happened lol

[Dwlee99]

Still waiting on LQ

[Dwlee99]

We have about a day to decide on something
VOTE: Strange

[Dwlee99]

Just make sure we don't no lim

[Dwlee99]

And I'm going to be looking over Dwlee and considering them Scum if Pav is Town.

This is saying nothing

[Dwlee99]

I'm claiming cred and indignation that y'all limmed kenny. It was an extremely stupid elimination my slot fought and if I'm scumread after my slot defended that and you all decided to lim there you're actually throwing if town

[Dwlee99]

Strange lim either ends the game or the f3 is me/LQ/pav. Or we switch onto LQ/pav despite the associative reasons I laid out. I also just have not found strange's play inspiring this day phase. Pav at least seems confident. LQ is doing LQ things

[Dwlee99]

Yea LQ is just not scum here I think unless I do an anti-BOP tell on him where him catching Salsa is actually scummy.

[Dwlee99]

It's Strange or Pav, the game is won as long as LQ doesn't throw.

[Dwlee99]

You were saying you thought I could be scum

That's throwing

[Dwlee99]

Smh

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Give me a world where STD hard busses his partner D1 and D2 and then tries to prevent a stupid mislim D3 as scum

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I don't think it is LQ cause he pushed salsa pretty hard from what I read

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17 hours flushed

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CSL/LQ please set a timer to make sure you hammer this before deadline

[Dwlee99]

LQ please don't tank my townread on you if you're town

[Dwlee99]

You're not allowed to but that's not the entire reason I'm not happy with your slot right now

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Give me a world where STD hard busses his partner D1 and D2 and then tries to prevent a stupid mislim D3 as scum

If anyone would do that in this game (apart from me ) it would be StD.

Like this post is just a trying to ask me to be paranoid

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Recent 7p elo

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Day before ELO game recently

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if it's part of your town meta to strongarm endgame scenarios regardless of status then i'm okay with it

This is what I'm showing btw even though I don't personally believe in meta

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Give me a world where STD hard busses his partner D1 and D2 and then tries to prevent a stupid mislim D3 as scum

If anyone would do that in this game (apart from me ) it would be StD.

Like this post is just a trying to ask me to be paranoid

i'd be doing the same thing if a slot just said "cows is doing cows things"
after all, why wouldn't you be paranoid in the first place?? isn't it set in stone that experienced people do experienced things

LQ does not strike me as the kind of person to have been bussing Salsa/Norwee there that early. Saying that he would is just weird because I don't believe he would, so either I'm wrong or he is wrong and if I'm wrong then my opinion on the slot is in the air and if he is wrong then why is he wrong about his own slot?

Really this should end here but if it isn't strange it probably is just pav and I feel for STD that they said pav day 3 instead of Kenny and no one listened.

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I was ISOing Salsa, and found some posts that pinged me:

Spoiler: Pinged Posts

I think she says kennyk is trying too hard, missing the obvious motive as I pointed out for a scum accusation. It's good that someone is trying to be serious because this is how we move out of RVS, but kennyk is doing this wrong. She may also be accusing kennyk of doing that just to look town. I recall that the term LAMIST is used here for this.

Perfectly explained but I want to add one thing: they said they had an account here before, so they played before here imo. That's why I'm not taking them that much of a newb player and when I read their posts ("

this sus, that sus

"), I found they were trying

too much

which I generally find suspicious.

This looks like either a defense of floo or a buddy attempt.

I think she says kennyk is trying too hard, missing the obvious motive as I pointed out for a scum accusation. It's good that someone is trying to be serious because this is how we move out of RVS, but kennyk is doing this wrong. She may also be accusing kennyk of doing that just to look town. I recall that the term LAMIST is used here for this.

what's the best way to move us outside of RVS, if the way kenny is doing it is "wrong"? is it just because the pushing happened to be on you because he thought your thought process was unclear? what happened in this game seems like just as good of a method as any, which is why i'm asking

I find

LAMIST play

scummy in general basis.
Almost every town games of mine, there was at least one scum

who appeared to be solvy in the early stage of the game

to gain towncred and in my scum games, I also tried to get towncred at RVS stage.

This might be nothing, or it might be made to make CLS look bad while also carrying the same thing of buddy/defence of floo in prior post.

But then I saw a spinet of Kenny's post in 72 in reference to the original post 62.

Why this is interesting is because of what Kenny said here:

@ Uranus: I guess you didn't read the thread properly. After Radical Rats Unvote I am now

'only'

E-2

And given StD and Kenny both come from a different game meta than current MS meta, this indicates to me that the site meta they come from people are generally much more hesitant with their votes and only vote for serious reasons. If this is the case, then Salsa vastly comes from a different meta than these two players because of their constant votes in 39, 40, and 44. What's more is that Salsa actually know this and just keeps voting Kenny for very little reason even though they are already voting for Kenny. And this happened BEFORE Kenny pointed out the 'only' E-2 comment.

Either way, it looks to be the case that Salsa has inside knowledge of Kenny's and StD's game meta that they come from. I'm hesitant to call out SvS interactions so early, but I'm not sure what another conclusion would be given this... the other option, I suppose, is that Salsa is Scum with floo. But this seems unlikely to defend a buddy so directly so early in the game.

Am I going crazy or is there something here?

I've seen enough. I feel like Salsa is in Anti-Spew mode now.

VOTE: Salsa

i do kind of want to live longer though, maybe if i leave this post here the wind will carry it to Entellian and Radical Rat

You didn’t use self-meta in the last game with me though, didn’t talk about it earlier because it was ongoing.

If Salsa flips Scum, CLS is almost certainly Town here. Looking for other Town spew as well currently.

@mod: Entellian didn't post for quite some time. Even with the one day timer stop a prodding might be due.

@all other players: No, I didn't ask for a prodding because I miss my fellow mafia player. And no, this was no confession of being mafia. I would never confess that. Or maybe i would in some crazy setup or as part of a really crazy plan in some situations.

What is this!!!! Now you're deliberately playing scummy af!

How can Kenny be open wolfing and doing LAMIST at the same time? This is Scum making a really bad push because they want to look like they are confbiasing but is actually just making a bad push on an ObvTown Kenny.

[Dwlee99]

Good game all

Was a fun day phase

[Dwlee99]

Thanks for mod!