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Post #12 (isolation #1) » Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:04 am
Postby Fatso »
startransmission wrote:
1. What's your Mafia experience?
2. What's your favorite band?
3. What role/alignment do you prefer?
4. Do you find it harder finding scum, or convincing other people that you've found scum (the latter assuming you correctly identified someone as scum)?
1. One game here, 40+ in the real world.
2. Beatles. Definitely.
3. Scum or PR. VT is a bit boring at night.
4. Definitely the latter of the two.
Location: Minnesota: Where the mosquito is the state bird.
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Post #26 (isolation #5) » Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:45 am
Postby Fatso »
alnkpa wrote:Me? In what way am I backing off? I really don't see it. Was just asking about RVS, as it seems to be a common factor in a game.
Um, he was talking to me.
Anyways, my opinion wasn't "I totally hate RVS and I'm never voting in it. EVER." It was "I don't like RVS that much, so I'm not going to vote right off the bat, but if it's really that important to you, I guess I will."
Location: Minnesota: Where the mosquito is the state bird.
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Post #36 (isolation #9) » Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:37 pm
Postby Fatso »
No, I don't agree with you, but if randomly voting for someone is what it takes to keep you people from mis-lynching me, I'm willing to do it.
Really, it didn't read as either of those to me. I read it as "I'm not going to put in any valuable input until people address me or are addressed by others."
I just don't see how swinging a loaded gun around is "valuable input."
and thus far he's only made one attempt at scumhunting
Location: Minnesota: Where the mosquito is the state bird.
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Post #38 (isolation #10) » Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:22 pm
Postby Fatso »
Unvote
for now. I'm satisfied with lynchking's response.
The only person I'm overtly suspicious of now is you, Bulvious. I don't really understand why you're making such a big deal out of me not liking RVS, and then not liking the fact that I voted when it was practically requested I do so. I have to say, you do seem more super-actively-scumhunting-towny than anything else (from my experience).
Location: Minnesota: Where the mosquito is the state bird.
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Post #45 (isolation #12) » Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:09 am
Postby Fatso »
Zdenek wrote:No, I put you at L-2 because your first post failed to move the game forward, and when you were called out on it, you gave up your previous stance and voted.
Let me get this straight: I said I didn't really want to RV, everyone wanted me to RV, I RVed, and now you're voting for me. Is that basically it? I never said I wouldn't RV if someone requested I do so, and yet that's what I'm being prosecuted for.
startransmission wrote:One quick thing. This is really a matter of opinion, but I really feel the OMGUS vote is far scummier than the folding in to the RVS pressure.
(This is referring to me, right?) How was my second vote OMGUS in ANY WAY?
Location: Minnesota: Where the mosquito is the state bird.
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Post #53 (isolation #14) » Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:52 am
Postby Fatso »
Bulvious wrote:
A few things wrong with this. When you say "Overly suspcious" do you mean you're merely suspicious of me? Or are you admitting to doubting my town-ness without significant reason?
Basically, Fat, in the future it'd be a good idea to be able to back up anything you say in this game. If you can't, and or give in just because of pressure - then you appear to be scummy. People who are lying tend to be more defensive about it than someone who is telling the truth. Liars in this game tend to be scum
I didn't even say "overly," I said "overTly" (I've seen a couple of things with a couple people that I would consider suspicious (none that are worth mentioning) but you're the only one that I was like (in my head) "he's suspicious..."). And what I meant by that post, is that I tend to be wrongly suspicious of people who are "super-actively-scumhunting-townies" (I think that's how I put it..). I don't know why it is, but I just tend to be that way.
Location: Minnesota: Where the mosquito is the state bird.
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Post #55 (isolation #16) » Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:57 am
Postby Fatso »
startransmission wrote:
Your vote on lynchking seemed to be a direct response to his vote on you. That's OMGUS. Not necessarily scummy, but I find it more egregious than your folding to the RVS pressure.
Three people voted for me, and I voted back on the only one who didn't give some reasoning as to why. Not that it matters any more, but really, really, far from OMGUS.
Location: Minnesota: Where the mosquito is the state bird.
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Post #69 (isolation #21) » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:53 pm
Postby Fatso »
I'd kind of agree with that. She also defended me to some extent, which while not
necessarily
a scumtell does make me suspicious... In my last game the only people who ever directly defended anyone else (not each other, just townies) were the scum.
Location: Minnesota: Where the mosquito is the state bird.
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Post #74 (isolation #22) » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:45 am
Postby Fatso »
sarahfish89 wrote:
Fatso wrote:I'd kind of agree with that. She also defended me to some extent, which while not
necessarily
a scumtell does make me suspicious... In my last game the only people who ever directly defended anyone else (not each other, just townies) were the scum.
While I was defending you, it was because I thought not liking RVS isn't a good enough reason to vote somebody and it's mainly townies that have done this, I was just basing this off my previous experience.
Um, Bulvious and my posts weren't even in reference to you there...
Location: Minnesota: Where the mosquito is the state bird.
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Post #75 (isolation #23) » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:47 am
Postby Fatso »
h3ll0 wrote:
sarahfish89 wrote:
Vote: lynchking
, more posts/thoughts please.
I'm not liking this. You look like you are imitating Bulvious/Fatso simply to look town.
Unvote, Vote sarahfish89
Imitating? Maybe. Is that scummy? Not really. People imitate what they see others doing all the time, it's questionable as to whether or not she was even imitating.
Location: Minnesota: Where the mosquito is the state bird.
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Post #76 (isolation #24) » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:55 am
Postby Fatso »
Sorry for the multi-posting people, but I think this is necessary:
Vote: lynchking
You've been inactive for almost three days now, and I just looked back and realized (how the hell did I miss this before??) that you practically proposed the town quick lynch me, something I never like (especially if it's me, but, you know, anyone else too ).
Location: Minnesota: Where the mosquito is the state bird.
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Post #78 (isolation #25) » Sat Mar 26, 2011 6:35 am
Postby Fatso »
lynchking wrote:There really isn't much reasoning to my vote for you. I think RVS is as good as any strategy right now with the little amount of information we have to go on. However, my vote wasn't random because I felt you should of held your ground and not waiver when confronted. Again, not much to go on, so hopefully this will yield some info next day.
Notice the part about
next day
. He's assuming I'm going to be lynched (probably).
Location: Minnesota: Where the mosquito is the state bird.
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Post #80 (isolation #26) » Sat Mar 26, 2011 7:16 am
Postby Fatso »
Perhaps, yes (and I was able to understand your crazy thoughts). But there's still the bit about him being inactive for nearly three days. I think he's a good vote right now.
Location: Minnesota: Where the mosquito is the state bird.
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Post #93 (isolation #32) » Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:56 pm
Postby Fatso »
sarahfish89 wrote:
Zdenek wrote:
Fatso wrote:
Imitating? Maybe. Is that scummy? Not really. People imitate what they see others doing all the time, it's questionable as to whether or not she was even imitating.
I disagree. Imitating is scummy. Scum have to try to pretend to act like town, and what better way than to mimic townies. Needless to say, Sarah is not looking good in my eyes at the moment.
I can see that, yes imitating is scummy because it's an easy way to make your self look townie. (I have read up about the game) I didn't know I was imitating them though
Ok, maybe I spoke too soon here. Imitating can be scummy, but in this case (if it was even imitating, which I doubt) it wasn't really IMO. For instance, in my last game just about everyone was making lists that they would post going from who they considered the towniest person in the game to the scummiest. Imitating is scummy if it has to do with an actual opinion, but imitating techniques for posting and (in this case) getting others to talk isn't.
Location: Minnesota: Where the mosquito is the state bird.
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Post #95 (isolation #33) » Sun Mar 27, 2011 4:02 pm
Postby Fatso »
Bulvious wrote:
Additionally, Fatso, you say I'm the scummiest - fair enough. But why? You don't include any reasoning and I doubt you could. So I have to question - am I the most scummy to you because you know you're town and so when someone attacks you, the move seems scummy? Or do you ACTUALLY have a reason? Because you've yet to provide any insight, questions, or comments in regards to my play, while you have been commenting on others.
This seems like a pretty strong contradiction between what you say and what you do.
Correction: said. I said you were the scummiest. That was when I wasn't really seeing anyone as that scummy. Now I'm looking more at BS and lynchking (I don't really find sarah that scummy at the moment, but I'll do some re-reading. Not really sure on that point).
Location: Minnesota: Where the mosquito is the state bird.
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Post #99 (isolation #34) » Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:46 am
Postby Fatso »
Bulvious wrote:You said it a day ago. Lynch nor BS has said anything that should significantly change your point of view, especially considering they haven't said anything at all. What, then, altered your viewpoint? Was it an epiphany? Or are you following the crowd on this one just as you did when pressured to RVS amongst other things?
Ok, first off that was 5 (I think, maybe 4) days ago. Are you in a time warp or something? I realize they haven't said anything, and that's actually my reason for being suspicious of lynchking (actually, we should just replace him. But until we do, I consider his play spot suspicious). The reason I'm suspicious of BS actually has to do with one of your posts (I'm not quoting it because I can't find it at the moment, but when I do, I'll put it up.) Whatever it was in that post got me thinking, and at the moment, I'm suspicious of her because she defended me in her first post, which always comes across as distinctly scummy to me. I realize that wasn't your reasoning in the post you made (I don't even remember what your reasoning was), but it got me thinking like "what if BS was scum..."
So, sort of an epiphany, and sort of following the crowd. I guess.
Location: Minnesota: Where the mosquito is the state bird.
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Post #100 (isolation #35) » Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:54 am
Postby Fatso »
h3ll0 wrote:
Fatso wrote:
Ok, maybe I spoke too soon here
. Imitating can be scummy, but in this case (if it was even imitating, which I doubt) it wasn't really IMO.
Jumpiness noted. What do you mean you spoke too soon?
Um, I mean
I spoke before I thought about other possibilities of imitating.
h3ll0 wrote:
Fatso wrote:Imitating is scummy if it has to do with an actual opinion, but imitating techniques for posting and (in this case) getting others to talk isn't.
I beg to differ. In this case, what sarahfish89 did was to "imitate techniques for getting others to talk", all while
not posting
any actual content. This is a clear cut example of what we call active lurking, which is extremely scummy.
I guess this is more of a matter of opinion, I simply didn't see the post in question as being particularly scummy, but rather as being a newbie imitating what seemed to be a normal method of play. Let me look back at the post, I haven't seen it in a while, and maybe I'm remembering in wrong. I don't think so though.
Location: Minnesota: Where the mosquito is the state bird.
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Post #101 (isolation #36) » Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:04 am
Postby Fatso »
I looked back at the post, and it really doesn't seem scummy.
Oh, and here's the Bulvious's post I referred to previously:
Bulvious wrote:Lol @ Fatso ^^^^
I don't like BS. V/la when she already wasn't putting anything out there. Lamelame
She's also the only one to have not voted - fail voter for the day? When I say "I'd hammer a lurker as of now." It would probably be her.
Location: Minnesota: Where the mosquito is the state bird.
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Post #103 (isolation #37) » Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:07 am
Postby Fatso »
alnkpa wrote:Well Fatso, until now I didn't have you on my personal scum list, but now as you being quite sensitive about some accusations made against you I do. Although you were rather talkative the whole game you now seem to exaggerate. So many consecutive posts seem rather scummy to me. Why did you need to have 3 posts in a row to answer some questions? UNVOTE: VOTE: Fatso
You give no examples for the first two accusations, how do you expect me to formulate a defense? As for the consecutive posts, I just find it rather difficult to quote multiple posts in a single post. Posting multiple times is easier. So yeah, that's REAL scummy...
Location: Minnesota: Where the mosquito is the state bird.
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Post #107 (isolation #39) » Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:45 am
Postby Fatso »
alnkpa wrote:
Zdenek, could you please consider reasoning your votes as such seemingly random voting seems rather scummy to me.
(I didn't really look at this before, seeing as it wasn't addressing me personally).
Seriously, what are you talking about? Not making much sense at all here.
And, by the way, do we even have a mod any more? (no offense mod, if you're actually there, but we have a fallacious vote count still up. And lynchking hasn't posted in five days, yet to my knowledge has not been prodded).
Location: Minnesota: Where the mosquito is the state bird.
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Post #110 (isolation #40) » Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:02 am
Postby Fatso »
Bulvious wrote:Really? 5 days ago?
In response to the question Sarahfish89 made on March 26th, you said “Bulvious”, on the same day. That's March 26th when you made that response.
You corrected me March 27th.
My response came March 28th.
March 27th is one day after March 26th, not five. But good luck trying to convince people it's ME in the time warp.
I was referring to my original post when I said that. I thought you were too, but clearly I was wrong. Could you quote these posts for me, just to make sure we're thinking of the same things now?
Location: Minnesota: Where the mosquito is the state bird.
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Post #113 (isolation #41) » Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:23 pm
Postby Fatso »
Bulvious wrote:No, but you can go back and check the dates. I'm not going to do your work for you.
Ok, seriously, that's not what I meant at all. You're making this harder than it has to be. I looked back and checked the date of the only post that I have in response to your response to my original post, and it was on the 24th, not the 26th. Just quote the freaking posts you're referring to and we can sort this thing out.
Location: Minnesota: Where the mosquito is the state bird.
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Post #115 (isolation #42) » Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:00 pm
Postby Fatso »
Hmm... I originally thought you were talking about this post (and the ones that followed in reference to it):
Fatso wrote:
Unvote
for now. I'm satisfied with lynchking's response.
The only person I'm overtly suspicious of now is you, Bulvious. I don't really understand why you're making such a big deal out of me not liking RVS, and then not liking the fact that I voted when it was practically requested I do so. I have to say, you do seem more super-actively-scumhunting-towny than anything else (from my experience).
But #74 has almost nothing to do with that. I have to admit, I'm still confused.
Location: Minnesota: Where the mosquito is the state bird.
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Post #116 (isolation #43) » Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:20 pm
Postby Fatso »
startransmission wrote:
Fatso wrote:The mafia is at a HUGE disadvantage then, aren't they?
Considering the advantages they already possess, no, not really. Keep them guessing.
I've done a little reading since. Just to clarify why I thought it would be such a huge disadvantage, I was unaware that the RB could still NK if the goon had been lynched.
Location: Minnesota: Where the mosquito is the state bird.
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Post #123 (isolation #44) » Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:37 am
Postby Fatso »
Bulvious wrote:In post #74 it seemed as though you were answering the question asked at the end of post #73, Fat.
Really? Huh. I wasn't, I was just clarifying that we (I see "we" because my that post SF referred to was in direct response to yours) were in reference to BS, not her.
Location: Minnesota: Where the mosquito is the state bird.
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Post #124 (isolation #45) » Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:42 am
Postby Fatso »
alnkpa wrote:For my accusation of Fatso:
Fatso wrote:Are you in a time warp or something?
I call something like that being sensitive though you may still correct me.
No, that was simply a fail attempt at humor.
alnkpa wrote:
Fatso wrote:Let me look back at the post, I haven't seen it in a while, and maybe I'm remembering in wrong. I don't think so though.
This quote seems to me as if you were backing up to not attract attention. Two quite different emotions shortly one after another. I should clarify what I meant by "exaggerating": I talked about this backing up.
Maybe I wasn't giving examples, which is—and I don't want to conceal that—not good if you are voting someone. But I won't back up from my vote until I see someone who is attracting my scum-radar more than Fatso. Which is—and I am honest here—not sooo good.
I can see how that might be misconstrued as "backing up to not attract attention," but I was simply saying that I could be remembering something wrong seeing as I hadn't looked at the post in a day or two.
and my posts weren't even in reference to you there...
Is where you answered sarahfish89's question. Dated Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:45 pm, based on my timezone (GMT +8)
How am I answering a question there? I was clarifying a mistake she made.
h3ll0 wrote:
And also, Fatso, it is barely 3 + days since the last vote count. Have patience. Most mods update around twice a week, so it's still on schedule on my count, especially since considering that antihero is not around.
Not that worried about a new vote count, more about lynchking and BS not being prodded.
Location: Minnesota: Where the mosquito is the state bird.
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Post #136 (isolation #50) » Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:48 am
Postby Fatso »
I'm really not sure how this is misunderstood... My post here (in
red
) is not answering a question, it's stating that Sarah was confused
here
(in
blue
). She thought Bulvious and me were referring to her in the
first post
(in
purple
), when we were actually referring to BS. (Buvious's post is not here).
Fatso wrote:
sarahfish89 wrote:
Fatso wrote:
I'd kind of agree with that. She also defended me to some extent, which while not
necessarily
a scumtell does make me suspicious... In my last game the only people who ever directly defended anyone else (not each other, just townies) were the scum.
While I was defending you
, it was because I thought not liking RVS isn't a good enough reason to vote somebody and it's mainly townies that have done this, I was just basing this off my previous experience.
Um, Bulvious and my posts weren't even in reference to you there...
Location: Minnesota: Where the mosquito is the state bird.
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Post #143 (isolation #52) » Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:17 pm
Postby Fatso »
Zdenek wrote:Sarah, why is there an 89 in your user name?
What are people's opinions of lynching the scummiest lurker?
Personally, I think it could be a good move. We will hopefully hit scum, but no matter what we eliminate someone who the scum won't kill and who we won't be able to get a read on during the game; in both newbie games I've been in so far, town has lost by mislynching a lurker in LYLO.
BS seems scummy to me anyways (not voting while saying RVS was a good thing, and defending me). I think she is currently the correct lynch, seeing as she also hasn't posted in like 5 days.
Location: Minnesota: Where the mosquito is the state bird.
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Post #149 (isolation #53) » Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:46 am
Postby Fatso »
Thank you for reposting that. Personally, I think that lynch-a-lurker would be a good idea right now. (I'm aware that I've already said that).
@alnkpa, do you still find me scummy? If so, why?
Location: Minnesota: Where the mosquito is the state bird.
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Post #157 (isolation #54) » Fri Apr 01, 2011 6:35 am
Postby Fatso »
alnkpa wrote:
Further, I am now a little concerned by your last posts that hadn't much content. Your arguing with Bulvious seemed over-the-top to me, especially as you were disputing over some dates which seemed rather unimportant to me. Could you explain why you had to clarify your date of posts more than one site?
That whole argument was very weird, and maybe it did get a bit over the top, but I think that's understandable seeing as neither of us had half an idea what the other was talking about. It finally got sorted out with a conversation between me and h3llo (that should be rather easy to find, but let me know if I should quote it). I believe Bulvious made the same mistake h3llo did (correct me if I'm wrong, Bulv).
Oh, and I was trying to clarify dates because we both thought the other was talking about a different post. If you go back and read the thing through, it might make more sense than it does here.
Location: Minnesota: Where the mosquito is the state bird.
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Post #165 (isolation #55) » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:46 am
Postby Fatso »
Computer asses? That's an odd way to put it, but ok.
I'd like to see people's thoughts in general on Bulvious (not if you've recently posted them of course). Not that I think he's scum, but (and maybe I'm just hallucinogenic) it seems to me that quite a few people have labeled him town from the start (sort of a general feeling here, maybe I'm completely wrong). The only reason I say this is because I always get suspicious of anyone who's labeled town without having claimed cop or something.
Location: Minnesota: Where the mosquito is the state bird.
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Post #167 (isolation #56) » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:52 am
Postby Fatso »
Oh, and alnkpa, do you have anything else to say in reference to my last post answering questions put forth in your last post in reference to me being scummy?
Ok, that didn't make much sense. Just try to bare with me here.
@Bulvious: Probably not, I just read a few post where that seemed to be the case, and then posted that. I want to hear from people though. Also, did you make the same mistake as h3llo a while back? Just want to make sure that's cleared up now.
Location: Minnesota: Where the mosquito is the state bird.
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Post #168 (isolation #57) » Sat Apr 02, 2011 10:17 am
Postby Fatso »
Zdenek wrote:Anyway, it is doubtful that we'll be lynching the IC today.
Unvote
Vote h3ll0
Bulvious already said this, but why are you voting for h3llo other than him possibly buddying a bit? (if that's the only reason, well, I
guess
that's acceptable).
FoS: lynchking
. You've posted sort of meaningless stuff twice, and still haven't said whether or not you actually wanted to quick lynch me. Not to seem rude, but either replace out or get in the game.
Location: Minnesota: Where the mosquito is the state bird.
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Post #176 (isolation #58) » Sun Apr 03, 2011 6:17 am
Postby Fatso »
alnkpa wrote:Oh and Fatso, could you please rephrase
I was wondering if you had a response to this (I'm not asking for one, I was just wondering if you had one.):
Fatso wrote:
alnkpa wrote:
Further, I am now a little concerned by your last posts that hadn't much content. Your arguing with Bulvious seemed over-the-top to me, especially as you were disputing over some dates which seemed rather unimportant to me. Could you explain why you had to clarify your date of posts more than one site?
That whole argument was very weird, and maybe it did get a bit over the top, but I think that's understandable seeing as neither of us had half an idea what the other was talking about. It finally got sorted out with a conversation between me and h3llo (that should be rather easy to find, but let me know if I should quote it). I believe Bulvious made the same mistake h3llo did (correct me if I'm wrong, Bulv).
Oh, and I was trying to clarify dates because we both thought the other was talking about a different post. If you go back and read the thing through, it might make more sense than it does here.