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[Random Nurse]

I'm here, and V/LA until Monday morning.

[Random Nurse]

VOTE: Random Nurse

didnt even THANK me when i signed up for this game when it really needed players what the hey hey is up with that

Listen—I was on a mission.

No time for pleasantries along the way.

But yeah thanks for coming. I was the first to /in and got tired of waiting for months and months.

[Random Nurse]

I'm only at post 16 but I'm gonna say this now so don't have literal BIRD and start pestering me over shit.

I know some of these players and have a better grasp on their metas having played with them. I know Hu Tao fairly well I think. Flavor Leaf (BOONIES!!!) I think I can better differentiate his meta. Save The Dragons I can tell now when he's Scum. Naerys I had a recent game with when she was Town, so I have a better idea what to sense. IAVH I think I've played with him as Town twice now? I have a better understanding of his meta and what to look for. BBMolla I played with him as Town recently, and then I think years back on my main account too (Wake88), but I need more experience to grasp his meta.

If you've played with me before when I was Town let me know what you remember, and what you think periodically. As the game progresses it should become painfully obvious that I'm Town this game and not severely constrained by inside knowledge.

I haven't played a multiball in ages but Large multiball games are my favorites, and a bit trickier because they're both Scumhunting too. If I get a bubble of time (at work currently on hospital floor) I'll post some more thoughts. Stay tuned!

[Random Nurse]

Where the fuck is everyone?

[Random Nurse]

VOTE: Psyche

way too serious for my liking

OK, I have questions.

Does him being "too serious" for your liking make him Scum, and if so why? Is this like a meta thing or you think seriousness itself is a Scumtell?

[Random Nurse]

Yeah, i wanna post more but I’m trying not to overtake the thread

How are you going to overtake the thread there's 22 other fuckers here.

[Random Nurse]

Anyone watch the live action One Piece

No. It seems like they trashed the canon material. Netflix has a habit of it.

[Random Nurse]

Anyone watch the live action One Piece

I don't trust Netflix with live actions from animes

+1

[Random Nurse]

I'd love to see a Yu Yu Hakusho live action but I fear they'd fuck it up entirely.

[Random Nurse]

My knowledge of one piece is "I know it exists but idk what it is"

Frankly, after reading over 1,000 chapters, I still don't know what it is because they haven't shown it yet (I don't recall if/when they actually mentioned it either???).

[Random Nurse]

1) I feel that psyche's posting was a bit bizarre—not sure if it was serious, sarcastic, or some kind of codes language.

2) I don't know how I feel about the current BBMolla/Klazam/ZZZX votes on Flavor Leaf. For now I'm just going to monitor this (fight me).

3) Flavor, could you please link me your last completed Scum game?

[Random Nurse]

preliminary lead rist:

[Town]

BBmolla - Decently good scum case on Flavor Leaf, the claim isn't a claim that scum would make either
Merlyn - Seemingly townie question in 26
Random Nurse - Towny vibes
biancospino - maybe townie I guess
Klazam - Somewhat good scumread on Psyche
ZZZX - Coasting for now
the worst - Unsure what read to put here lol
Anyone not specifically listed - hard null due to lack of content
Flavor Leaf - possibly too openly scummy to actually be scum?!
Shrek - Blatant reaction tests
furtiveglance - Very weird opening posts with no other content
Psyche - Planned posts, too serious

[Scum]

oh, and I do think being overly serious is a scumtell, but the scumtell is more in planned posts.

OK so why isn't Psyche on your Scum list since you mention he has planned posts and is too serious, especially since you're saying being overly serious is a Scumtell.

[Random Nurse]

Save The Dragons I can tell now when he's Scum.

excellent, is he?

Kind of disingenuous to ask that when he only posted once when I made the post you quoted.

I'll have to see how he posts throughout the next couple Days.

[Random Nurse]

JacksonV
Merlyn

Bianco
Snivy
Kitty
Psyche
Shrek
Zzzx

Davesaz
biancospino

Hu Tao
Save The Dragons
Random Nurse
Flavia
Naerys
Klazam
bob3141
iamveryhappy
Furtiveglance
the worst

TemporalLich
Bbmolla

I usually have two tiers, an orange and red, under my bottom tier, but pink tier is light scum read, haven’t had many scum reads just yet.

Really?

You can't tell I'm Town yet, Boonie?

[Random Nurse]

JacksonV
Merlyn

Bianco
Snivy
Kitty
Psyche
Shrek
Zzzx

Davesaz
biancospino

Hu Tao
Save The Dragons
Random Nurse
Flavia
Naerys
Klazam
bob3141
iamveryhappy
Furtiveglance
the worst

TemporalLich
Bbmolla

I usually have two tiers, an orange and red, under my bottom tier, but pink tier is light scum read, haven’t had many scum reads just yet.

Really?

You can't tell I'm Town yet, Boonie?

I actually instinctively had you a little higher, but was like…nah, I only remember one post by them and it was me linking a scum game, so i put you in the middle because I know I’d get pocketed by scumYou anyways.

I would

never

pocket you, Boonie.

[Random Nurse]

Alright, so I'm at work again and will post as able soon.

Also, I'm 2-Shot Bulletproof (don't b*tch to me).

Awaiting to see how Scum respond to the news.

[Random Nurse]

I cannot sort hu tao

Considering I've only had like 2 posts at the time, not sure what there is to sort

I sure hope you're Town this game, Hu.

[Random Nurse]

Ah there’s a wagon forming on me. Fun

Sorry for not being around much- I skimmed the thread so far (birthday weekend for me so yay)

The psyche vote was RVS, then decided to sheep BB because of all the nongame posts from flavor. Thought might see where that went, the subsequent sheep posters is interesting.

From my skim, I’m convinced that flavor is looking good because of the substance flavor has.

Nothing has jumped out so far except for one person seeming to be too intense (will have to re-skim quick and recall who)

UNVOTE:

Will be around much more Tuesday and beyond.

Checking who I felt pings from, be right back

PEdit: that’s a really early claim, dunno if I would have done the same in your shoes.

I'm used to seeing that kind of response, and am totally OK with it.

[Random Nurse]

So I think Larges aren't for me. Too many posts and very overwhelming, but I'll stick to my commitment to this game.

Don't you dare leave—it's fun having you in these games.

[Random Nurse]

I cannot sort hu tao

Considering I've only had like 2 posts at the time, not sure what there is to sort

I sure hope you're Town this game, Hu.

I'd actually be happier if I was scum in this particular game. Being town in a Large makes me feel lost and overwhelmed

Uh huh. Don't do the I'm Town so ____ uuu hu hu" thing with me, Hu.

Regardless of alignment it can be overwhelming, but kudos on pointing it out.

[Random Nurse]

I cannot sort hu tao

Considering I've only had like 2 posts at the time, not sure what there is to sort

I sure hope you're Town this game, Hu.

I'd actually be happier if I was scum in this particular game. Being town in a Large makes me feel lost and overwhelmed

Uh huh. Don't do the "I'm Town so ____ uuu hu hu" thing with me, Hu.

Regardless of alignment it can be overwhelming, but kudos on pointing it out.

Fixed.

[Random Nurse]

I'm an Informed role and I was told that we have a 2-shot bulletproof serial killer

Really?

*flips through notes*

That's news to me.

[Random Nurse]

I CLAIM Night 2 Macho Night 3 Bulletproof Odd Night Novice Ascetic Loyal Non-Consecutive Night Rolestopper JOAT(Cop, Lazy Bloodhound, Activated Miller, Combined Visionary Loyal Rolestopper) AINT NOBODY MESSING WITH ME!

YEAH. YOU TELL 'EM. GET THEM F*CKERS.

[Random Nurse]

Okay so that person was temporal, at first I was alright with their posts, then after that exchange with the other person (j something) posts just became weird. Don’t think this slot is necessarily scum though.

I don’t usually do larges, so large veteran advice- how the fuck do you keep up in general? That was a lot of pages.

Pedit: ah jacksonvirgo

Also for some reason Camel’s joke got a scumping for me, but I’m not going into that right now.

Goddamnit stop posting

Well, a lot of it is just noise.

Skim through and only respond to what pokes out at you.

Ask the mod for a PT if you need to keep notes, or jot little things down.

Also, have fun, take risks, and get a rise out of players: what's the point if you're not having fun?

[Random Nurse]

I don't think I've met Scum!Klazam before now.

Klazam, what do you be like as Scum?

[Random Nurse]

Alright, so I'm at work again and will post as able soon.

Also, I'm 2-Shot Bulletproof (don't b*tch to me).

Awaiting to see how Scum respond to the news.

can someone explain why this post was made

What's so difficult about it?

[Random Nurse]

i think that's kind of where i'm at with tl. it's either authentic moonlogic or logic and i don't really care which, i don't see a way to assess the motivation of it and i'm not going to bend myself into a pretzel over it when i don't really think tl is scummy anyway

I think it’s worth talking about. I don’t see the point of not caring about it? I like the discussion that’s come from it a lot.

And I’m town on Jackson, mixed on TL, and who was the other one?

STD? Idk. Not town reading them. Maybe lean scum, not quite lean scum. Their pop in hard confident reads always gut ping me as scum.

My gut is generally good with STD as the game goes on, though

Not sure if you were in the last game where I was Town and Looker/KKFC and STD were Scum, but the last Scum STD lurked TF out of that game until I hammered him.

[Random Nurse]

Alright, so I'm at work again and will post as able soon.

Also, I'm 2-Shot Bulletproof (don't b*tch to me).

Awaiting to see how Scum respond to the news.

can someone explain why this post was made

What's so difficult about it?

you claimed a role? why?

Why not?

Is there some metric you think all players must abide by?

[Keep digging.]

[Random Nurse]

Alright, so I'm at work again and will post as able soon.

Also, I'm 2-Shot Bulletproof (don't b*tch to me).

Awaiting to see how Scum respond to the news.

Bulletproof again? Lel

I certainly am. Quite fortunate indeed.

Scum will have no choice but either waste a kill on me or rear their ugly heads.

[Random Nurse]

okay I think Psyche is still scum

VOTE: Psyche

What's the breakdown again besides him being too serious, bizarre, etc?

[Random Nurse]

I really really do not like 491 and think it shows a scum mindset

pedit: still think Psyche is playing the game very seriously I think

Would you mind, good Sir, breaking it down a little more so we can understand your exact reasoning on this?

I'm not sold on being seriousing meaning being Scum. By that logic if he becomes sarcastic that must mean he's now Town?

[Random Nurse]

Yeah alright, I understand you see that. Can you explain why you think it shows a scum mindset.
I can't do much with you just saying things

that post just reads as hostile to me

and hostility is anti-town

Town can be anti-Town, you know.

In fact as Scum it's insanely easy to Town it up.

[Random Nurse]

I mean, shit, I'm feeling kind of hostile myself but that doesn't mean I'm Scum.

Maybe I'm just hungry.

[Random Nurse]

He's being calm and trying to push Town in the right direction and not cause chaos what the fuck is he talk

OK, yes.

[Random Nurse]

another lead rist, this one was formed by skimming ISOs:

[Town]

Shrek - Very good town momentum

In what way exactly?

[Random Nurse]

another lead rist, this one was formed by skimming ISOs:

[Town]

Shrek - Very good town momentum

In what way exactly?

I will point to 218 as the main post that shows town momentum, with 225 also having momentum

...

Hm..

[Random Nurse]

I do think Shrek is townie, but putting him that high is a huge stretch in my eyes

This I agree with.

[Random Nurse]

I was just wondering like, is that all it takes to be on the top of your list?

[Random Nurse]

I think TL's reads lists merit further scrutiny.

[Random Nurse]

Bianco's just gonna cop me tonight anyways

She can Cop me instead.

Confirmed PLUS 2-Shot Bulletproof?

Yeah, let's do that.

[Random Nurse]

Bianco's just gonna cop me tonight anyways

She can Cop me instead.

Confirmed PLUS 2-Shot Bulletproof?

Yeah, let's do that.

I wish you hadn't said this

Oh? Why not?

[Random Nurse]

I'll sheep onto that one. I like that better than Snivy.

VOTE: Bianco

You're voting Bianco but she's only light Scum to you, and you're not voting any of us currently that are lean Scum. So, shouldn't you be voting one of us instead?

[Random Nurse]

I'll sheep onto that one. I like that better than Snivy.

VOTE: Bianco

You're voting Bianco but she's only light Scum to you, and you're not voting any of us currently that are lean Scum. So, shouldn't you be voting one of us instead?

do you have any guesses as for why he might be? i'm working a theory

That I don't know.

I do know that it doesn't appear to be consistent.

[Random Nurse]

*sees 20 pages have formed*

Yeah...

[Random Nurse]

So, I'm a bit overwhelmed with all the posts but determined to stay in it.

If anyone has any questions let me know: I will try to answer as best I can.

[Random Nurse]

Town

Random Nurse, Klazam, Flavor Leaf, the worst
Naerys, Psyche, Shrek, Save the Dragons, shaddowez, BBmolla, Doctor Drew
iamveryhappy, camelCasedSnivy, davesaz, bob3141, TemporalLich, pisskop

biancospino

-- idk/null tier
furtiveglance, Hu Tao, JacksonVirgo, ZZZX, Aisa

Merlyn

Scum

I'm all caught up, AMA

OK, what exactly puts me at the top of your list?

[Random Nurse]

Iavh is a bomb that explodes after dying
He might be wolf, tbh. His frustrated post does not feel entirely honest

I'm replying to Naerys but asking the world. I'm a bit behind on the Normal queue and doing other things rn; is there anything other than Vengeful which activates on yeet?

To my knowledge neither Bomb nor Vengeful are normal, so if IAVH is claiming Bomb that is impossible.

[Random Nurse]

oh right, it's been a while.

I'm just gonna treat it as a joke

...
.
.
.

[Random Nurse]

What's the reasoning for the IAVH wagon again?

[Random Nurse]

So, I'm a bit overwhelmed with all the posts but determined to stay in it.

If anyone has any questions let me know: I will try to answer as best I can.

lol thats not an understatement. I know ive already decided to not catchup on posts before i got back from holiday but even with that im seeing over 10 new pages a day lol

To be honest I've given up on catching up. Not everyone is able to put hours and hours into a tsunami of posts Day 1.

[Random Nurse]

as for me, I'm voting ZZZX as the day needs to end shorter rather than later for the benefit of town

We still have four days and change.

[Random Nurse]

we have negative one day of actually being useful to town though

?

[Random Nurse]

the consensus is that we need the end the day early

Why?

More time = more time to Scumhunt.

[Random Nurse]

...

VOTE: ZZZX

[Random Nurse]

...

VOTE: ZZZX

Do you think ZZZX's post is scummy despite the self-vote?

The self-vote makes that post unsortable imo

To me when a player self-votes it's usually Scum doing this. Town has no valid reason for self-voting. Scum does.

[Random Nurse]

Is it common for someone to just be almost entirely negative throughout the entire game?

Who is this directed towards?

[Random Nurse]

To me when a player self-votes it's usually Scum doing this. Town has no valid reason for self-voting. Scum does.

I was thinking it is Town who would self-vote

Please explain this thought process to me in detail.

[Random Nurse]

As I understand it Scum would vote themselves to deny Town information. They can do it sooner than L-1 if they think their demise is evident.

[Random Nurse]

*skim skim*

Meh im not entirely sold on the zzzx thing. The selfvote annoys me, but i dont think its alignment indicative. I do feel a bit off at a few of these posts.

Guess i wont be upset about zx being gone, but I wanna ask one thing -

Why are we NOT elimming TL?

From following along on the past few days, TL is the person who keeps on pinging my scumdar. Sure there's no votes on TL, meaning probably not a viable wagon at this point

VOTE: TemporalLich Just for the record

But still, this feels like scum.

What are the main reasons for it?

[Random Nurse]

Does ZZZX have a history of self-voting as Town?

[Random Nurse]

small dig into zzzx's meta around self-votes indicates plenty readiness to self-vote as town based on similar reasoning to the above, but also as scum presumably to deny information. so in isolation the self vote is NAI. coooool

Ah, so he does this as either alignment?

Debating if I should call his bluff and vote him.

In fact, I will.

VOTE: ZZZX

[Random Nurse]

This being a multiball game does it feel like there's really any resistance on this wagon?

[Random Nurse]

everyone but the explicit townreads
but in general im really picky about scumspects
i say picky but ideal word is probably less...agentic

Your way of posting this game is so strange.

It feels like coded language.

[Random Nurse]

i dunno how to reply
yeah im a weird guy

[Random Nurse]

Why IAVH over ZZZX?

[Random Nurse]

Why IAVH over ZZZX?

idk ZZZX seems kind of town, and iamvh isnt here

Any other valid reasons?

Seems a bit Scummy to be voting someone because they aren't here, right?

[Random Nurse]

Who seems to be shifting their votes the most so far?

[Random Nurse]

maybe I'm a bit hung over, but I read that as 'the zzzx wagon will provide more info for analysis'

I don't really understand/agree with the concept of some wagons providing more 'info' than others.

Why not?

[Random Nurse]

OK, so Klazam was evil.

*writes in notes*

I'm gonna do soe VCA now. It's Day 2, we got info, I can finally rip and tear into this game.

Is it too early to ask that if anyone's got a guilty on someone they say so? If so then don't say anything.

[Random Nurse]

Nurse where are you? You were so hyped for this and then barely post

I just FREAKING, POSTED. LADY.

[Random Nurse]

”I see 7 out of 25 people… very good attendance for a discussion block!”

Day 1 VC 16:

iamveryhappy

(12 [HAMMERED]): Cat Scratch Fever, TemporalLich, ZZZX, furtiveglance, Save The Dragons, Aisa, BBmolla, davesaz, Flavor Leaf, camelCasedSnivy,

Doctor Drew

, Naerys
ZZZX (3): the worst, Random Nurse, pisskop
Cat Scratch Fever (3): Shrek,

Klazam

, Hu Tao
BBMolla (1): Psyche
Psyche (1): JacksonVirgo
Hu Tao (1): bob3141
JacksonVirgo (1):

iamveryhappy

the worst (1): shaddowez
Not voting (0):

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2023-09-19 17:13:00)

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to eliminate.

MOD NOTES: ZZZX is V/LA. 2 AM VC’s are the best VC’s!

[Random Nurse]

After ISO Klazam, point of focus: Hu Tao, CSF

Well don't be shy. What did you notice?

[Random Nurse]

Zibo, China

Day 2 VC 2:

bob3131 (2): Save the Dragons, the worst
the worst (2): shaddowez, Shrek

Not voting (16): Flavor Leaf, pisskop, Hu Tao, camelCasedSnivy, Aisa, davesaz, Cat Scratch Fever, Naerys, Psyche, bob3141, TemporalLich, furtiveglance, ZZZX, BBMolla, JacksonVirgo

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2023-09-29 09:08:00)

MOD NOTES: JacksonVirgo is V/LA

T3, would you be willing to space out the Not Voting and Voted players like I space above? Just make it a bit easier to read.

[Random Nurse]

*makes

[Random Nurse]

im a complex vig the ability fails on vanillas tw its nice to meet u

And this is a hardclaim?

[Random Nurse]

harder than a hard thing babay

So, are you ungated or no?

Because if not, then did you target Dr, Drew for the Complex Vig shot?

[Random Nurse]

I'm kinda done with this game. I can deal with being misvoted out, but not over a 99% conf scum.

VOTE: Hu Tao

Not sorry. Again CSF if you were town, sorry.

This is not hammer, correct?

If you're Town then you need to unvote now. Play to your wincon.

[Random Nurse]

I can deal with being misvoted out, but not over a 99% conf scum.

...that can prove themselves?

its like limming an FN claim because one shot of their ability didnt work

Wait, did someone claim a guilty on Hu Tao's slot?

[Random Nurse]

RN did you miss that JV targeted Psyche with a loyal fruit and didn't claim it or receive it.

I missed that.

Way too many pages.

[Random Nurse]

Psyche, did you receive that Loyal fruit thing or not?

[Random Nurse]

Port Harcourt, Nigeria

Day 2 VC 3:



Hu Tao (10): Cat Scratch Fever, camelCasedSnivy, Aisa, Save the Dragons, BBMolla, pisskop, the worst, Flavor Leaf, Hu Tao, TemporalLich
the worst (2): shaddowez, Shrek
Jackson Virgo (1): Psyche
camelCasedSnivy (1): bob3141


Not voting (6): davesaz, Naerys, furtiveglance, ZZZX, JacksonVirgo, Random Nurse

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2023-09-29 09:08:00)

With 20 alive it takes 11 to eliminate and 10 to no eliminate.

MOD NOTES: JacksonVirgo is V/LA

That waffling between psych and Hu Tao.

[Random Nurse]

Oh, I got a guilty on Psyche btw

Are you serious or joking?

[Random Nurse]

Oh, I got a guilty on Psyche btw

Are you serious or joking?

JV claim joat w/a loyal fruit vend

he says he went to psyche

psyche has no fruit

pysche claimed complex vig who shot at bbm

OK, so I want either JV or Psyche to be flipped.

Now.

Unless JV recants I want follow-through on if Psyche was given a Loyal Fruit or not.

Psyche could lie and say he never received any fruit.

If Psyche flips Town then JV is Scum.

[Random Nurse]

And

why exactly

are there so many votes on Hu Tao?

[Random Nurse]

I'm going to place another card on the table.

My full role is that I'm ungated Bulletproof Town, and that I am Informed that ONE of the Scumteams are Informed that I am Bulletproof, so it sounds to me that they have to work around this.

If a Cop could Cop me and then stay quiet until they need to reveal their results that'd be great. For late-game I'll be set up as confirmed Bulletproof Town.

[Random Nurse]

ungated?

informed that other people are informed?

Yeah, as in full Bulletproof.

Yeah, Informed as in others are Informed.

[Random Nurse]

What's the purpose of being Bulletproof if Scum are informed that you're BP + a claimed vig in Psyche is Complex?

RN is scum too, btw.

OK,

now

I'm interested.

What is your

deal

this game, Flavor?

Tell me EXACTLY why you think I'm Scum this game.

You've played with me in enough games to

know

I'm obviously Town in this one.

[Random Nurse]

there's something missing from rn's claim and i'll give a prize to whoever notices it second

Go on.

[Random Nurse]

What's the purpose of being Bulletproof if Scum are informed that you're BP + a claimed vig in Psyche is Complex?

RN is scum too, btw.

OK,

now

I'm interested.

What is your

deal

this game, Flavor?

Tell me EXACTLY why you think I'm Scum this game.

You've played with me in enough games to

know

I'm obviously Town in this one.

I think RN is scum

Oh, RN is scum, I just have absolutely no case to back it up in words.

Answer me.

[Random Nurse]

for bold reasons i read all of RN's posts in the voice of batman

[Random Nurse]

Where'd all these fuckers go?

[Random Nurse]

Oh now I get it. It's because there's a chance I got a fruit but didn't claim it.

So did you or didn't you get one?

[Random Nurse]

Oh now I get it. It's because there's a chance I got a fruit but didn't claim it.

So did you or didn't you get one?

[Random Nurse]

Position	Players
Town-read	-
Town-lean	-
Null-town	-
Null	-
Null-scum	Flavor Leaf2
Scum-lean	Psyche1
Scum-read	-

¹ JV claims to have a guilty on Psyche, about a Loyal Fruit being given. Psyche refuses to clarify despite me asking MULTIPLE times for clarification. Psyche now says that he didn't receive any fruit, so someone's lying.

² Has called me Scum multiple times but when I confront him to explain himself he cowers back, multiple times.

Answer me.

[Random Nurse]

Position	Players
Town-read	-
Town-lean	-
Null-town	-
Null	-
Null-scum	Flavor Leaf2
Scum-lean	Psyche1
Scum-read	-

¹ JV claims to have a guilty on Psyche, about a Loyal Fruit being given. Psyche refuses to clarify despite me asking MULTIPLE times for clarification. Psyche now says that he didn't receive any fruit, so someone's lying.

² Has called me Scum multiple times but when I confront him to explain himself he cowers back, multiple times.

Answer me.

why cant JV be telling the truth about targeting psyche with loyal fruit and psyche telling the truth about not getting one

Sure, it's possible, but unlikely.

[Random Nurse]

how is it unlikely?

In general it's more likely for actions to happen Night 1 then actions to be blocked Night 1.

[Random Nurse]

Also,

AGAIN

, why are people voting for Hu Tao?

[Random Nurse]

they can both be telling the truth without any blocks lol

if psyche is indeed scum it’s impossible for him to get a

loyal fruit

. so he WOULD be telling the truth about not getting one

in any case there’s no real point in lying about not getting a fruit so i don’t see what you’re getting at

What I'm saying is if JV is Town and gave Psyche a Loyal Fruit and Psyche says he did not receive any fruit, that most likely means they don't share the same alignment, so I want them both to be sorted. It's possible a PR could have interfered Night 1, but unlikely.

[Random Nurse]

if nobody was roleblocked and you are scum who was successfully targeted by loyal fruit vendor, you’d be telling the truth in saying you didn’t get one, no?

oh, yes. but the more relevant question is whether i'm telling the truth when i say i'm not scum.

Don't worry when we kill you Today we'll know what's what.

VOTE: psyche

[Random Nurse]

BUT i can confirm my role. i can confirm that i am a vig. and maybe soft confirm that the shot doesn't work on vanillas.

Oh?

Who did you shoot again?

In general it's common for Scum to fake-claim Vig.

[Random Nurse]

I don't really like rehashing prior discussion. But I'll do it for batman.

Here's the post where i claimed the target of my shot:

oh i can say who i aimed at, too, sure. it was BBM. reasons:
1) scumread the guy
2) figured it would be lame to not commit to it with my shot
3) decided that even if the flip proved town, i'd get to not fixate on the scumread through D2
4) can you imagine how delicious it would be if I was proven right? I even planned what I'd say. A reference to flavorleaf's posts about my "2012 meta".
5) even if i turned out to be wrong, i could make a really shadey post down the line referencing justifications for limming people just to move the game along, shrink the playerlist to make scumhunting possible, take out antitown slots for the health of the meta, etc. of course it would have all been cope.
6) a sixth reason

BBM has claimed he's vanilla. So that's a potential reason my shot failed. But it's also possible I was blocked or something.

Can't really weigh in on your other comment. Is news to me. If you see 3 people die tomorrow and I say I did one of them, will you think I'm town?

i'm going to try to pull back for a day this was too much

So you claimed Complex Vig. Is that it or are you able/willing to share any details?

If you're telling the truth and your action went through then logic dictates that BBM is Vanilla, but he could still be a Goon.

Did BBM claim Vanilla?

This is nothing so there's no need for you to pull back, unless there's

another

reason you're pulling back.

[Random Nurse]

OK so BBM claimed Vanilla.

[Random Nurse]

Position	Players
Town-read	-
Town-lean	-
Null-town	-
Null	Psyche1
Null-scum	Flavor Leaf2
Scum-lean	-
Scum-read	-

¹ I'm not sure what to make of this slot. JV targeting psyche with a Loyal Fruit and Psyche saying he didn't get shit tells me there needs to be solving between these two, because to me it reads that these two aren't on the same side, barring exceptions like some random 3rd party PR interference. I DO find it interesting that psych claims Complex Vig and targeted BBM and nothing happens. To me this doesn't solve for alignment, but it does make the walls close in upon Scum just a little bit more. Psych does appear to be engaging with me, and that does help alleviate my monstrous appetite for answers here, but I don't like the idea of psyche jumping back for a day because it's "too much."

JV claims to have a guilty on Psyche, about a Loyal Fruit being given. Psyche refuses to clarify despite me asking MULTIPLE times for clarification. Psyche now says that he didn't receive any fruit, so someone's lying.

² *Glares at FL*

Has called me Scum multiple times but when I confront him to explain himself he cowers back, multiple times.

Answer me.

[Random Nurse]

Position	Players
Town-read	-
Town-lean	-
Null-town	-
Null	Psyche1
Null-scum	Flavor Leaf2
Scum-lean	-
Scum-read	-

¹ I'm not sure what to make of this slot. JV targeting psyche with a Loyal Fruit and Psyche saying he didn't get shit tells me there needs to be solving between these two, because to me it reads that these two aren't on the same side, barring exceptions like some random 3rd party PR interference. I DO find it interesting that psych claims Complex Vig and targeted BBM and nothing happens. To me this doesn't solve for alignment, but it does make the walls close in upon Scum just a little bit more. Psych does appear to be engaging with me, and that does help alleviate my monstrous appetite for answers here, but I don't like the idea of psyche jumping back for a day because it's "too much."

JV claims to have a guilty on Psyche, about a Loyal Fruit being given. Psyche refuses to clarify despite me asking MULTIPLE times for clarification. Psyche now says that he didn't receive any fruit, so someone's lying.

² *Glares at FL*

Has called me Scum multiple times but when I confront him to explain himself he cowers back, multiple times.

Answer me.

[Random Nurse]

Position	Players
Town-read	-
Town-lean	-
Null-town	-
Null	Psyche1
Null-scum	Flavor Leaf2
Scum-lean	-
Scum-read	-

¹ I'm not sure what to make of this slot. JV targeting psyche with a Loyal Fruit and Psyche saying he didn't get shit tells me there needs to be solving between these two, because to me it reads that these two aren't on the same side, barring exceptions like some random 3rd party PR interference. I DO find it interesting that psych claims Complex Vig and targeted BBM and nothing happens. To me this doesn't solve for alignment, but it does make the walls close in upon Scum just a little bit more. Psych does appear to be engaging with me, and that does help alleviate my monstrous appetite for answers here, but I don't like the idea of psyche jumping back for a day because it's "too much."


² *Glares at FL*

Spoiler: Previous Reads

Psyche:

JV claims to have a guilty on Psyche, about a Loyal Fruit being given. Psyche refuses to clarify despite me asking MULTIPLE times for clarification. Psyche now says that he didn't receive any fruit, so someone's lying.

Flavor Leaf:

Has called me Scum multiple times but when I confront him to explain himself he cowers back, multiple times.

Answer me.

ID	Username	Status	Claim	Flip
01	Random Nurse	Alive	Town Informed Bulletproof	—
02	Flavor Leaf	Alive	—	—
03	pisskop biancospino	Alive	—	—
04	Hu Tao	Alive	—	—
05	camelCasedSnivy	Alive	—	—
06	Doctor Drew KittyTacky	Dead [Night 1]	—	Roleblocker
07	Save The Dragons	Alive	—	—
08	Aisa Merlyn	Alive	—	—
09	davesaz	Alive	—	—
10	Cat Scratch Fever Flavia	Alive	—	—
11	Naerys	Alive	—	—
12	Klazam	Dead [Night 1]	—	Goon
13	Psyche	Alive	Complex Vigilante?	—
14	bob3141	Alive	—	—
15	iamveryhappy	Dead [Day 1]	—	VT
16	TemporalLich	Alive	—	—
17	furtiveglance	Alive	—	—
18	ZZZX	Alive	—	—
19	the worst	Alive	—	—
20	bbmolla	Alive	Vanilla per Complex Vig?	—
21	Shrek	Alive	—	—
22	JacksonVirgo	Alive	Can give Loyal Fruit?	—
23	shaddowez	Alive	—	—

[Random Nurse]

I'm a JOAT*
I did not use a Gunsmith charge on you (keeping it vague with what I have left) but what I did use was a Loyal FV and he didn't claim he got one. Ironically enough, I have a Vigilante charge too so that's a hilarious coincidence if you're both a Vigilante and my check on you failed for external reasons.

I figured keeping that part (the FV) hidden and then calling out the guilty would prompt him to claim that he did in fact get targeted by one if he was hiding it but nah decided to go for my throat instead.
Obviously not gonna claim my other action/s nor how good they are or aren't.

here u go RN

OK, so we need to flip one of them, and then IF Psyche flips Town we yeet JV.

[Random Nurse]

*waves at brutish caveman*

[Random Nurse]

That value definitely increases as more (loud!!) people die

Is this a

crumb

?

It certainly

seems

like a crumb.

[Random Nurse]

I'm going to place another card on the table.

My full role is that I'm ungated Bulletproof Town, and that I am Informed that ONE of the Scumteams are Informed that I am Bulletproof, so it sounds to me that they have to work around this.

If a Cop could Cop me and then stay quiet until they need to reveal their results that'd be great. For late-game I'll be set up as confirmed Bulletproof Town.

You saying this right as you're

50% the target for the vig

is quite the claim

Where

was that before my fullclaim?

[Random Nurse]

I'm going to place another card on the table.

My full role is that I'm ungated Bulletproof Town, and that I am Informed that ONE of the Scumteams are Informed that I am Bulletproof, so it sounds to me that they have to work around this.

If a Cop could Cop me and then stay quiet until they need to reveal their results that'd be great. For late-game I'll be set up as confirmed Bulletproof Town.

You saying this right as you're

50% the target for the vig

is quite the claim

Where

was that before my fullclaim?

im ok w picking between rn/shrek though for this to work i guess it shouldn't matter if im ok with it

I didn't even notice it, but he can certainly try. He'll fail anyways due to me being Bulletproof.

[Random Nurse]

how is it unlikely?

In general it's more likely for actions to happen Night 1 then actions to be blocked Night 1.

Are you saying it's more likely that I am a scum that decided to 1 for 1 this early for no apparent benefit over something interfering with the action? In the world where he's Town

I'm leaning on the idea that you and Psyche aren't aligned, because your actually likely went through and Psyche received fruit but said nothing.

Now whether you're Town or rival Scum vs Psyche has yet to be determined.

Psyche's flip would answer some of these questions, and potentially answer some questions regarding bbmolla as well.

[Random Nurse]

That's like, not at all why I brought it up.

Speak plainly instead of playing games.

[Random Nurse]

I'm not playing games, I'm calling you a wolf dodging the shot.

EXPLAIN YOURSELF.

[Random Nurse]

-_-

You are NOT making any sense.

You made the claim, you should be able to

explain yourself

in detail if you actually have conviction.

[Random Nurse]

Really? Like do I even have to explain that one?
You've been decided to be the vigilante's shot. 50% chance is a very high chance, and then approximately 2 pages after you claim a full Bulletproof randomly and out of the blue. You don't see this as anything suspicious to the extent you have to ask me to explain myself? Really? -_-

Did you miss where I claimed 2-Shot Bulletproof way back at game start?

[Random Nurse]

Alright, so I'm at work again and will post as able soon.

Also, I'm 2-Shot Bulletproof (don't b*tch to me).

Awaiting to see how Scum respond to the news.

[Random Nurse]

Really? Like do I even have to explain that one?
You've been decided to be the vigilante's shot. 50% chance is a very high chance, and then approximately 2 pages after you claim a full Bulletproof randomly and out of the blue. You don't see this as anything suspicious to the extent you have to ask me to explain myself? Really? -_-

I'm not sorry you feel paranoid over it, I wanted to fullclaim Informed BP because I wanted to, and if you want to fight over it

bring it

.

If you are actually Town,

work with me

instead of fighting and thrashing about.

[Random Nurse]

Even if you did soft the claim earlier, you full-claimed at such a convenient time only to be like "Oh didn't see oopsies"

I don't care.

I'm not the player that read pages and pages of noise. If you can't handle the timing that's a "you" problem.

And yeah, I didn't see it, and I don't care because I'm human and that happens.

[Random Nurse]

Really? Like do I even have to explain that one?
You've been decided to be the vigilante's shot. 50% chance is a very high chance, and then approximately 2 pages after you claim a full Bulletproof randomly and out of the blue. You don't see this as anything suspicious to the extent you have to ask me to explain myself? Really? -_-

I'm not sorry you feel paranoid over it, I wanted to fullclaim Informed BP because I wanted to, and if you want to fight over it

bring it

.

If you are actually Town,

work with me

instead of fighting and thrashing about.

Alternatively, you can stop misrepresenting me as "thrashing about" when I've only just made an argument against you.

you're[/b] the one flailing and thrashing about.

I do see you as thrashing about because you are reacting adversely to my fullclaim and not considering that not every timing event is deliberate. Perhaps this paranoia from you is more Townish, but then again both Scum teams are Scumhunting so I can't be certain.

What I will say regrding your argument is that you are incorrect. You can continue if you want, but if you're Town (Hell, Town or not), you're not helping yourself.

[Random Nurse]

Jackson, do you think Psyche is Scum or not?

You already mentioned you're a JOAT. You mentioned a Vig-shot and you already used the Loyal-Fruit-shot.

If you're Town it's probable at least one of the Scum will target you. Or not, I don't know.

Are you on the fence about full-claiming?

If you are at risk of being NK'd Night 2 then perhaps you should use your 1-shot Vig, and discuss who to use it one. I would be curious to see how the players respond. I would want each player to cast their vote on your Vig-shot by using hurt tags.

[Random Nurse]

Really? Like do I even have to explain that one?
You've been decided to be the vigilante's shot. 50% chance is a very high chance, and then approximately 2 pages after you claim a full Bulletproof randomly and out of the blue. You don't see this as anything suspicious to the extent you have to ask me to explain myself? Really? -_-

I'm not sorry you feel paranoid over it, I wanted to fullclaim Informed BP because I wanted to, and if you want to fight over it

bring it

.

If you are actually Town,

work with me

instead of fighting and thrashing about.

Alternatively, you can stop misrepresenting me as "thrashing about" when I've only just made an argument against you.

you're[/b] the one flailing and thrashing about.

I do see you as thrashing about because you are reacting adversely to my fullclaim and not considering that not every timing event is deliberate. Perhaps this paranoia from you is more Townish, but then again both Scum teams are Scumhunting so I can't be certain.

What I will say regrding your argument is that you are incorrect. You can continue if you want, but if you're Town (Hell, Town or not), you're not helping yourself.

Hilarious how you consider this scum-hunting if I was scum, and not pushing an agenda. Wonder why you think that.
Especially clear when given your claim, scum would be wanting to elim you to get rid of the BP. Freudian slip?

I am fully aware that Scum would try to get rid of me during the Day because they understand they won't be able to kill me easily at Night.

This merely brings them to the surface.

[Random Nurse]

I think the wolves include you, hu tao and Psyche. You claiming that probably leans into you not being teamed with Psyche.
Why would I ever full-claim here? It benefits absolutely nobody, I claimed what I needed to reveal my check and counter-claim their vigi claim. That's all I needed, I don't care to strip down all my clothes and show what I got to the world. I don't really care whether or not I'm at risk for the NK. If I die, I die. Vigilante's are typically negative utility anyway so losing that is probably okay, it's not like it's the end of the world. I don't want to be locked into who I can and cannot target, nor reveal who it is in the world that Psyche is Town, there's PRs that block actions.

All players already know you're a JOAT, so withholding valuable information from the rest of Town only benefits Scum.

The entire Town should discuss who should be the target of you Vig-shot, because we can analyze who wants who to be Vigged and question why.

[Random Nurse]

Really? Like do I even have to explain that one?
You've been decided to be the vigilante's shot. 50% chance is a very high chance, and then approximately 2 pages after you claim a full Bulletproof randomly and out of the blue. You don't see this as anything suspicious to the extent you have to ask me to explain myself? Really? -_-

I'm not sorry you feel paranoid over it, I wanted to fullclaim Informed BP because I wanted to, and if you want to fight over it

bring it

.

If you are actually Town,

work with me

instead of fighting and thrashing about.

Alternatively, you can stop misrepresenting me as "thrashing about" when I've only just made an argument against you.

you're[/b] the one flailing and thrashing about.

I do see you as thrashing about because you are reacting adversely to my fullclaim and not considering that not every timing event is deliberate. Perhaps this paranoia from you is more Townish, but then again both Scum teams are Scumhunting so I can't be certain.

What I will say regrding your argument is that you are incorrect. You can continue if you want, but if you're Town (Hell, Town or not), you're not helping yourself.

Hilarious how you consider this scum-hunting if I was scum, and not pushing an agenda. Wonder why you think that.
Especially clear when given your claim, scum would be wanting to elim you to get rid of the BP. Freudian slip?

I am fully aware that Scum would try to get rid of me during the Day because they understand they won't be able to kill me easily at Night.

This merely brings them to the surface.

You're missing the point, or deliberately pulling it apart. Either way.

Considering your mindset this game, and who you are as a player. I'm sure you would have realised that scum would try and get rid of you. You said so yourself in this message.
So why then would you label it as scum-hunting as opposed to an agenda. That's the wording you chose.

Scum-hunting implies you believe me to be actively searching for the scum. And from your perspective from how you play to who you are, to your claim itself, that feels like it's a pretty might discrepancy and I believe you slipped as a wolf

What do you mean exactly by agenda? I never used that word.

Oh, I absolutely

want

Scum on both sides to come and try.

I will devour them alive.

I could

use

the practice in savagery.

Scum teams are Scumhunting

because they're looking for the other enemy Scum team to eliminate them

. That's why I used "Scumhunting." In singleball Scum

don't

actively Scumhunt.

No, I used "Scum-hunting" because I don't know if you're Town or one of the Scum factions, and whether you're Town or red or blue Scum you're

still

going to be Scumhunting.

[Random Nurse]

I think the wolves include you, hu tao and Psyche. You claiming that probably leans into you not being teamed with Psyche.
Why would I ever full-claim here? It benefits absolutely nobody, I claimed what I needed to reveal my check and counter-claim their vigi claim. That's all I needed, I don't care to strip down all my clothes and show what I got to the world. I don't really care whether or not I'm at risk for the NK. If I die, I die. Vigilante's are typically negative utility anyway so losing that is probably okay, it's not like it's the end of the world. I don't want to be locked into who I can and cannot target, nor reveal who it is in the world that Psyche is Town, there's PRs that block actions.

All players already know you're a JOAT, so withholding valuable information from the rest of Town only benefits Scum.

The entire Town should discuss who should be the target of you Vig-shot, because we can analyze who wants who to be Vigged and question why.

1. You're wrong. Knowing what my other abilities are, if I have any, does not benefit the Town at all. And Scum knowing what I can do to gauge if I'm worth a block/shot etc is benefitting them. You're dead wrong.

2. Absolutely not, I'm not having my actions chained down when I don't need it to.

I think the more information Town has the narrower the walls get for both Scum. By withholding information and refusing to democratize your Vig-shot you deny the rest of us the chance to see who votes who for Vigging, and also the chance to review that particuler discussion in late-game once so many others have flipped.

[Random Nurse]

You being this self-centered is making me want to push you harder, I'll wait for others to pop in

You

are not pushing

me

.

I

am the boulder you are

struggling

to resist.

[Random Nurse]

Position	Players
Town-read	-
Town-lean	-
Null-town	-
Null	-
Null-scum	Flavor Leaf2
Scum-lean	Psyche1
Scum-read	-

¹ JV claims to have a guilty on Psyche, about a Loyal Fruit being given. Psyche refuses to clarify despite me asking MULTIPLE times for clarification. Psyche now says that he didn't receive any fruit, so someone's lying.

² Has called me Scum multiple times but when I confront him to explain himself he cowers back, multiple times.

Answer me.

why cant JV be telling the truth about targeting psyche with loyal fruit and psyche telling the truth about not getting one

Sure, it's possible, but unlikely.

it's more likely than JV fake claiming

So we are supposed to blindly believe jv? I dont

I think it's possible he's telling the truth about being a JOAT that used a Loyal-Fruit-shot, but I still question if he is Town or one of the Scums.

[Random Nurse]

HEY, someone explain to me why there's a wagon on Hu Tao.

[Random Nurse]

lol why do i have a vote

Why were you voting Hu Tao?

[Random Nurse]

VOTE: Psyche

Not everything is about the soft-guilty brother

No shit.

[Random Nurse]

lol why do i have a vote

Why were you voting Hu Tao?

because i believe psyche can prove themselves as a vig?

Why were you voting Hu Tao?

[Random Nurse]

lol why do i have a vote

Why were you voting Hu Tao?

because i believe psyche can prove themselves as a vig?

Why were you voting Hu Tao?

because klazam's revocation of a read on hu tao is a pretty strong associative tell

scum wouldn't bus day 1

Klazam's revocation of a read?

Meaning he voted for HT and then unvoted?

Could you please quote it?

Also is there anything else underpinning your vote for HT?

[Random Nurse]

Naerys I want to see you get more involved in this game. Same for you, Furtive Glance.

I hate feeling like both of you are just trying to blend in instead of actually getting into it here. Put some skin in the game and stop acting chickenshit.

Speaking of which, Save The Dragons is pulling the same lurking shit he did in that last game we were in when he was Scum. Was it Mini 2309?

Get in here.

[Random Nurse]

Hey hey, VOTE: Hu Tao since I should've in our last game

luckily for you (or maybe unlucky if you're scum) I'm town

Don’t like.

*pulls out fire extinguisher and sprays furtiveglance with dry powder*

This post made me chuckle.

I cannot sort hu tao

Considering I've only had like 2 posts at the time, not sure what there is to sort

I sure hope you're Town this game, Hu.

I'd actually be happier if I was scum in this particular game. Being town in a Large makes me feel lost and overwhelmed

Really don’t like.

VOTE: Hu Tao

I’m town I’m town I’m town. Why do you feel the need to say that?

This was a iso of iamveryhappy, naerys, shadow, hu. Leaning town on nae, null on happy, shadow needs to post more.

Next group

Hmm. I don’t see scum Hu doing that.

UNVOTE:

I'm, hm... I don't *think* I'm convinced this means Hu Tao is Scum, but it IS something to keep in the back of one's mind. Remember, Klazam also said he Townread Naerys, and complained of Shadow not posting enough. Those two mentions along with Hu's could be Klazam attempting to sow false associatives for when he flips Scum. IF Naerys or Shadow flips red THEN I would start pulling at this string. In fact, I should really comb through Klazam's ISO soon.

[Random Nurse]

It's 24 posts of easy reading.

Hu Tao and Worst definitely come off badly from it

What exactly is this in regards to?

[Random Nurse]

Klazams iso.

He seems to keep TL around as mis elim bait, and he suddenly drops hu tao as a vanity wagon when they 'forget its multiball'. The worst and klazam buddy up

Oh? They buddy up?

How so? Could you quote those?

Worst

, come over and explain yourself.

[Random Nurse]

Ah, mention his name and he doth appear.

Is this going to be a pattern for you this game?

Because, if so, I'm sure I'll have a nice Dragon pelt by the end of this game.

[Random Nurse]

I'm down to PL people who only post in bold.

Feel free to

try

.

[Random Nurse]

I'm down to PL people who only post in bold.

I'd like to see your current reads.

You were also on the IAVH mis-lim.

[Random Nurse]

I feel like RN is acting, not genuine, especially with the repeated pounding on people to answer when the answers were right there in the thread.

Flimsy.

I ask people directly because I a) can't be bothered to read everything and b) I prefer the most direct approach and getting it straight from the source.

You may not appreciate it but people play this game in different ways. My strength is in being direct and aggressive, engaging people

directly

.

[Random Nurse]

Feel free to read through.

viewtopic.php?t=91358

[Random Nurse]

Feel free to read through.

viewtopic.php?t=91358

I don't care about a singular game. Even multiple games isn't enough to encompass someone scum-range, don't kid yourself

*smirk*

If you are Town you're not doing yourself

any

favors right now. If you were wise you would be asking me for links to my Scum games. If you knew my meta you would know I'm obviously Town.

[Random Nurse]

Feel free to read through.

viewtopic.php?t=91358

I don't care about a singular game. Even multiple games isn't enough to encompass someone scum-range, don't kid yourself

*smirk*

If you are Town you're not doing yourself

any

favors right now. If you were wise you would be asking me for links to my Scum games. If you knew my meta you would know I'm obviously Town.

Meta is the dumbest thing, absolutely not. How about, you get off that high horse of yours and play the game like a normal person

Meta isn't foolproof, but discounting it entirely is foolish.

I'm not on a high horse—I want to see you actually engage and answer my questions and work with me instead of reflexively fighting back and shooting down anything people tell you. Despite your paranoia you should still be making an attempt to keep the lines of communication open. I have

no

problem rattling everyone's cages if it means I get communication going. You've fought me on the JOAT Vig-shot and the rest of your shots, you didn't even make an effort to look at that game link or consider meta implications, and I'm sure there's at least one or two other things you've fought against.

Try to work with people. If you're Town you're not the only one paranoid, but if we don't work together we lose.

[Random Nurse]

McMurdo station, Antarctica

Day 2 VC 5:

Hu Tao (9 [E-2]): Cat Scratch Fever, camelCasedSnivy, Aisa, Save the Dragons, BBMolla, the worst, Flavor Leaf, Hu Tao, TemporalLich

Psyche (3): JacksonVirgo, furtiveglance, Naerys

the worst (2): shaddowez, Shrek

Psyche (2): Random Nurse, pisskop

Jackson Virgo (1): Psyche
camelCasedSnivy (1): bob3141

Not voting (2): davesaz, ZZZX

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2023-09-29 09:08:00)

With 20 alive it takes 11 to eliminate and 10 to no eliminate.

MOD NOTES: JacksonVirgo is V/LA

You've got Psyche on two different wagons.

[Random Nurse]

Why is psyche still on bbm if bbm was vanilla?

I'm awake now.

That's a good question.

[Random Nurse]

Psyche, who are the two top people you actually think are Scum and why?

You've been in this game long enough—I want to see some conviction instead of floundering as if you're just trying to blend in.

[Random Nurse]

"There will be no class on Monday. I am Jewish."

Day 2 VC 6:

Hu Tao (8 [E-3]): Cat Scratch Fever, camelCasedSnivy, Aisa, Save the Dragons, BBMolla, the worst, Flavor Leaf, Hu Tao
Psyche (8 [E-3]): Random Nurse, pisskop, JacksonVirgo, furtiveglance, Naerys, TemporalLich, bob3141, davesaz
the worst (2): shaddowez, Shrek
BBMolla (1): Psyche

Not voting (1): ZZZX

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2023-09-29 09:08:00)

With 20 alive it takes 11 to eliminate and 10 to no eliminate.

MOD NOTES: JacksonVirgo is V/LA

Something whacky is going on 100%

Wagon analysis gonna be the best

Both Scumteams are invested and actually have to Scumhunt for the enemy and push players, so it's typical of this to happen in large Multiballs. Many years ago I vaguely remember the same taking place in mid-to-late game.

[Random Nurse]

I will be V/LA until next Tuesday, 9-26-23. I have two major exams to be completed back to back on Monday 9-25-23 and I

need

to study.

[Random Nurse]

Yeah so with Psyche being Town I want answers on JV's alignment.

[Random Nurse]

that being said, BBmolla is a confirmed fakeclaimer as Psyche really was a complex vigilante

VOTE: BBmolla

Could you please explain your thinking to me? Since Psyche was Complex Vig his NK wouldn't have worked on BBM, and it didn't, right?

[Random Nurse]

2 votes? No, two kills

So you used your Vig shot? On who again (just to make sure)?

[Random Nurse]

Yeah so with Psyche being Town I want answers on JV's alignment.

Good for you, I hope you find those answers

Oh nice, resistant snark.

Give me all the excuses I need to press you today.

[Random Nurse]

Yeah so with Psyche being Town I want answers on JV's alignment.

Good for you, I hope you find those answers

Oh nice, resistant snark.

Give me all the excuses I need to press you today.

Okay listen here, I'm already having a fucking awful day don't make me even more pissed off than I already am (I know it's not your fault, but don't make it worse thanks)

How in the living hell would I be able to give you answers to any of this. How about instead of laying out a trap you know I cannot actually answer, do some critical thinking skills and actually work on finding wolves. That would be brilliant and also your JOB AS TOWN, unless you simply aren't Town. Food for thought

Hey man, you take your own advice.

You started being real snarky with me in response to me saying I wanted answers on your alignment. Don't talk about being pissed off when you're the one who took the first shot at me Day 2.

[Random Nurse]

@Psyche - shoot RN or Shrek.

also another post worth quoting

Random Nurse is probably scum this game

Based on what exactly?

[Random Nurse]

VOTE: Random Nurse

for lack of mech, Random Nurse has been really scummy last day phase

Based on what?

VOTE: Temporal Lich

[Random Nurse]

So wait, JV claimed 1-shot Vig kill on Hu Tao.

And then there was one kill, FL.

So it's likely one of the Scum NKs didn't happen?

[Random Nurse]

yeah or there were overlaps in the kills

How likely do you reckon it would be for both teams to target the same player, or one team to also target JV's 1-shot Vig target?

[Random Nurse]

@Psyche - shoot RN or Shrek.

also another post worth quoting

Random Nurse is probably scum this game

Based on what exactly?

Your interaction with JV is clearly SvT and seems like trying to control the town

For one, this reads as an attempt to twist my words, so assuming you are Scum you had better watch yourself carefully.

I made it abundantly clear WHY I mentioned having the rest of Town discuss, coordinate, and agree on who to use JV's claimed Vig-shot on. Instead, he made the choice himself and guess what—he hit a Townie.

AND THE REASON I wanted there to be discussion on who to NK is to see which players say what and why, and who they're adamant about not hitting.

But NO, we weren't smart about working together on this action and now Town suffers for it. So don't come to me and try to twist my words and say I'm Scummy because I wanted ALL of Town to discuss and work on WHO should have been that Vig target.

Got it?

[Random Nurse]

Did I miss a kill one sec

JV (1-shot Vig) claims to have targeted Hu Tao.

Flavor was the other successful NK target.

There should have been one NK from the other rival Scumteam, so it could've been blocked, or they targeted on of the same targets.

[Random Nurse]

For one, this reads as an attempt to twist my words, so assuming you are Scum you had better watch yourself carefully.

I made it abundantly clear WHY I mentioned having the rest of Town discuss, coordinate, and agree on who to use JV's claimed Vig-shot on. Instead, he made the choice himself and guess what—he hit a Townie.

AND THE REASON I wanted there to be discussion on who to NK is to see which players say what and why, and who they're adamant about not hitting.

But NO, we weren't smart about working together on this action and now Town suffers for it. So don't come to me and try to twist my words and say I'm Scummy because I wanted ALL of Town to discuss and work on WHO should have been that Vig target.

Got it?

You continuing the same type of interaction with me is basically scumclaiming

The

hell

it is.

The more you keep trying to shade me the more I'm beginning to think you're Scum trying to get rid of the BP. You have said NOTHING if substance nor have you provided ANY actual reasoning for your statements. If you actually BELIEVED what you said you'd be able to explain yourself

instantly

.

[Random Nurse]

wait RN do you know if your vest is shot at

I do not. I am not informed if anyone takes a shot.

[Random Nurse]

The

hell

it is.

The more you keep trying to shade me the more I'm beginning to think you're Scum trying to get rid of the BP. You have said NOTHING if substance nor have you provided ANY actual reasoning for your statements. If you actually BELIEVED what you said you'd be able to explain yourself

instantly

.

Notice that Random Nurse said there is a Bulletproof player.

I have no idea how you know without a shadow of a doubt there is a Bulletproof player as opposed to a Roleblocker, unless you are scum or you are claiming informed

I AM REFERRING TO MYSELF.

[Random Nurse]

Alright, so I'm at work again and will post as able soon.

Also, I'm 2-Shot Bulletproof (don't b*tch to me).

Awaiting to see how Scum respond to the news.

oh, here is the claim

I'm still gonna say RN is scum considering this is multiball and the JV and RN interaction doesn't seem TvT to me

Why?

You don't think a Bulletproof role could possibly exist in a Large Normal game with two Scum teams, a Vig, AND a claimed JOAT with a 1-Shot Vig ability?

And, AGAIN, why are you so convinced that JV and mine interaction can't possibly be TvT? Furthermore, why are you so certain I MUST be Scum and JV MUST be Town? You have NOT explained ANYTHING on that front. All you do is do you don't think this or don't think that but you never actually explain

WHY

.

[Random Nurse]

Alright, so I'm at work again and will post as able soon.

Also, I'm 2-Shot Bulletproof (don't b*tch to me).

Awaiting to see how Scum respond to the news.

oh, here is the claim

I'm still gonna say RN is scum considering this is multiball and the JV and RN interaction doesn't seem TvT to me

here is a wild theory; if rn is trueclaiming he could be town, 2-shot bp could be for tanking one shot from each faction?

I am ungated BP.

Both Scum teams have no choice but to get me eliminated during the Day because they cannot touch me at Night.

[Random Nurse]

ok well that sucks

TL/RN is probably SvT i agree

RN hasnt done shit but TL has done bad shit so if i must ill go in that direction

I've done PLENTY OF SHIT.

Have you not seen me engage players, Bro?

Being BP I don't have to fear SHIT at Night so I have NO limitations on who I can question and PUSH.

[Random Nurse]

wait what youre not shot limited??

It's in my ISO.

[Random Nurse]

NKA points to Random Nurse being scum

HOW? WHY?

[Random Nurse]

wait what youre not shot limited??

It's in my ISO.

Your first claim was 2 shots bp

Initial claim, yes. That was then. This is now.

[Random Nurse]

NKA points to Random Nurse being scum

HOW? WHY?

@Psyche - shoot RN or Shrek.

flavor leaf thinks either you or Shrek is scum

AND? That fucking potato has been wrong on MORE than ONE occasion in past games I've played in with him.

[Love you Booney~~]

[Random Nurse]

NKA points to Random Nurse being scum

HOW? WHY?

@Psyche - shoot RN or Shrek.

flavor leaf thinks either you or Shrek is scum

And guess what mtfr—Flavor Leaf was on Hu Tao's wagon.

Remind me again

how

that

turned out.

[Random Nurse]

FMPOV I think JV is Scum, because he says he targeted Psyche, Psyche did not mention getting fruit (did he deny it?), and then Psyche flipped Town.

*scratches brain*

But if Psyche was Town, and got a random fruit, would he really lie about not getting it? What reason as Town would he have for lying?

Then again could Scum JV send a Loyal Fruit to a random player to check if they're a different alignment? Then again if JV WAS Scum and he targeted some other player not on his team wouldn't that by default means they're not the same alignment? If so, then what would be the point of Scum JV sending out Loyal Fruit?

Maybe JV is Town amd he targeted Psyche but there was some kind of interference?

I could use peoples' insight on this.

[Random Nurse]

Im probably not voting anyone but RN today ftr

OK but why?

You're providing NO EXPLANATION just like Temporal Lich.

[Random Nurse]

Ungated BP does seem really strong. I feel like there's definitely scum motivation to claim it since it deters the other team from killing you.

You do realize Bulletproof (assuming not Ascetic) can still be affected by all non-killing Night actions, right? Cop it, Track it, Watch it, etc, etc?

[Random Nurse]

Ungated BP does seem really strong. I feel like there's definitely scum motivation to claim it since it deters the other team from killing you.

You do realize Bulletproof (assuming not Ascetic) can still be affected by all non-killing Night actions, right? Cop it, Track it, Watch it, etc, etc?

Yeah...how does that help scum play around it?

That's the fun part: it doesn't.

But Town can, so if a Cop targets me and confirms or crumbs I'm Town then I become unstoppable. Imagine how fun that would be? And in the hypothetical a Cop gets a No Result due to Ascetic then they can just crumb/claim it whenever they want, sealing my fate. For full reference I am NOT Ascetic.

So in essence I can use my Bulletproof modifier as a shield and a battering ram, and Scum have NO CHOICE but to weakly try to get me eliminated. And anyone that dares try I raise a MAJOR STINK so that in late-game Town will be reading all the exchanges and narrow it down to the Scum that dared try it.

[Random Nurse]

N2 STD

[Random Nurse]

I would like to once again remind everyone that STD now is playing exactly like he was as Scum in Mini Normal 2309.

[Random Nurse]

FMPOV I think JV is Scum, because he says he targeted Psyche, Psyche did not mention getting fruit (did he deny it?), and then Psyche flipped Town.

*scratches brain*

But if Psyche was Town, and got a random fruit, would he really lie about not getting it? What reason as Town would he have for lying?

Then again could Scum JV send a Loyal Fruit to a random player to check if they're a different alignment? Then again if JV WAS Scum and he targeted some other player not on his team wouldn't that by default means they're not the same alignment? If so, then what would be the point of Scum JV sending out Loyal Fruit?

Maybe JV is Town amd he targeted Psyche but there was some kind of interference?

I could use peoples' insight on this.

I feel like JV was fairly widely townread, so what's the point in making up a FV claim just to frame someone? It's risky.

So what do you think happened between JV and Psyche, because the more I think about it the more I want to pick at it.

[Random Nurse]

N2 STD

What is this?

FMPOV I think JV is Scum, because he says he targeted Psyche, Psyche did not mention getting fruit (did he deny it?), and then Psyche flipped Town.

*scratches brain*

But if Psyche was Town, and got a random fruit, would he really lie about not getting it? What reason as Town would he have for lying?

Then again could Scum JV send a Loyal Fruit to a random player to check if they're a different alignment? Then again if JV WAS Scum and he targeted some other player not on his team wouldn't that by default means they're not the same alignment? If so, then what would be the point of Scum JV sending out Loyal Fruit?

Maybe JV is Town amd he targeted Psyche but there was some kind of interference?

I could use peoples' insight on this.

I feel like JV was fairly widely townread, so what's the point in making up a FV claim just to frame someone? It's risky.

So what do you think happened between JV and Psyche, because the more I think about it the more I want to pick at it.

Scum roleblocking shenanigans.

I'm thinking he may be a Goon. Meant to put that in my personal PT on who I think may have performed Scum NKs.

How likely is it that Scum JV targeted Town Psyche with Loyal fruit? How might that make sense?

[Random Nurse]

I think you missed me being right about scum being on FL wagon, you missed me trying to coerce Psyche to give us some thoughts of his so he wouldnt end up limed, which unfortunately was not successful. I am sharing my thoughts and i am sharing names on which i focus my attention.

What I'd like to see is you putting skin in the game. I want to see you taking stances like you have conviction, instead of being in the background just blending in. In Mafia when was the last time you ever aggressively grilled someone? I want to see you actually step forth and engage, like I've been with some of these fuckers. Of COURSE engagement is going to net votes from other players but as Town you shouldn't be concerned about that, right?

What do you think about Temporal Lich limp-wristed attempts to shade me throughout this game?

What exactly are your thoughts on the JV/Psyche/BBM issue?

What do you think about STD this game? You were in that game with me too when he was Scum, and he behaved the same exact way.

What do you think about BBMolla and his comments devoid of reasoning where he just says I'm Scum because *crickets*?

[Random Nurse]

I can say tentatively that I have slight gut Townread on Aisa and Furtive Glance, because they do seem to be actually questioning other players and picking at things and making some effort in trying to solve this game.

[Random Nurse]

To be fair to Naerys she did play like this in that prior game and she was Town, and an asset, so I think it's more of a personal playstyle thing.

[Random Nurse]

See, I keep forgetting Dave is in this game, and the thing about Dave is that I'm starting to be able to tell when he might be Scum.

Dave being lurky AF is... concerning.

[Random Nurse]

I do agree that ZZZX and Shaddowez NEED to post more. STD and Dave as well.

Who else is lurking in the shadows?

[Random Nurse]

See, I keep forgetting Dave is in this game, and the thing about Dave is that I'm starting to be able to tell when he might be Scum.

Dave being lurky AF is... concerning.

Is he more active as town?

*internal scream/groan*

I feel like he's more present as Town, because he's more like "I'm Town and I don't know who TF is who," and will post a little more.

This feels more AWOL-ish, and he may then pop his head in, say something stoic that appears brooding/thoughtful, and then lurk back into the night.

[Random Nurse]

Pisskop, Bob, Worst, and Shrek as well.

[Random Nurse]

I think STD may be a better option to pressure.

He lurks the most when Scum, but he sure was quick to come in and vote last wagon.

It reads to me that he's monitoring the game but way far out in the background, and frankly, I'm not comfortable with that.

[Random Nurse]

I think rn is scum and think csf could possibly be scum I'm not scumreading

WHY?

YOU, TL, Dave and BBM are all pulling this shit and not backing it up with ANY. FUCKING. EXPLANATION. at all.

[Random Nurse]

Well This sounds like positioning and not like solving

Exactly.

STD is positioning STD-self and not actually trying to solve the game, and not providing ANY rationale for his vote against me whatsoever.

[Random Nurse]

I think rn is scum and think csf could possibly be scum I'm not scumreading

WHY?

YOU, TL, Dave and BBM are all pulling this shit and not backing it up with ANY. FUCKING. EXPLANATION. at all.

How detached are you from the game? It's been explained so much

Fuck your snarky attitude.

[Random Nurse]

random nurse is backup flavor leaf this is truly a sight to see

OK what does that mean?

[Random Nurse]

the second Flavor Leaf died you got a lot more aggressive just like Flavir Leaf usually does

And what does that tell you?

[Random Nurse]

the second Flavor Leaf died you got a lot more aggressive just like Flavir Leaf usually does

And what does that tell you?

its usually a towntell for him

not sure about you tbh

How many games have we played together?

Have I ever

not

been aggressive as Town?

Does it seem like I'm faking or that I genuinely don't have a clue who's who this game, so just lashing out blindly to try to see what's what?

[Random Nurse]

the second Flavor Leaf died you got a lot more aggressive just like Flavir Leaf usually does

And what does that tell you?

its usually a towntell for him

not sure about you tbh

How many games have we played together?

Have I ever

not

been aggressive as Town?

Does it seem like I'm faking or that I genuinely don't have a clue who's who this game, so just lashing out blindly to try to see what's what?

the only game i remember was WDM and you were scum

Which one was WDM again?

As Scum I hate being Scum—I literally cannot function as genuine Scumhunter when I'm given that inside knowledge.

As Town I feel WAY more comfortable Scumhunting and engaging and doing my thing.

[Random Nurse]

btw im not implying youre scum i legit dont have a meta read on you for that

you werent that active in WDM but you werent this aggresive at the start either, or maybe Flavor Leaf drowned it out idk

I got more invested as I started to get a better feel and understanding of this game. Earlier on I was basically swept away from the torrent of pages. When I start getting my bearings in a game as Town it's far easier for me to get more and more aggressive.

[Random Nurse]

I'm spending less time on MS, simple as that.
If you don't want me to play then you know what to do.

I also don't believe a town full BP. It would be great, but I don't think it's plausible from a balance perspective. Too high a probability to get to a 1v1v1 that ends in no decision.

I have to ask this again.

Why do you believe it's impossible for a Town BP to exist in a Large Normal game? Especially one that's multiball, had a Vig, and a claimed JOAT 1-shot Vig?

Like, what kind and how big of a game does it have to be for you to accept there being a full Bulletproof Town?

[Random Nurse]

i just posted a bunch

And yet you have barely provided content or engaged in this game.

You are playing exactly like you did as Scum in Mini 2309. All you've done is react when brought up and vote/make statements no actual reasoning underpinning it. When have you taken any initiative this game and engaged someone instead of lurking or angling for someone's lim when other players are on them?

[Random Nurse]

you can't seem to grasp that i get busy at times and don't post as much

Get busy all damn game?

[Random Nurse]

I want this flipped.

VOTE: Save the Dragons

[Random Nurse]

Position	Players
Town-read	-
Town-lean	Aisa
Null-town	Naerys, camelCasedSnivy, pisskop
Null	Enchant, davesaz, bbmolla, the worst, bob3141, shaddowez
Null-scum	Shrek, Cat Scratch Fever, furtiveglance, JacksonVirgo
Scum-lean	TemporalLich
Scum-read	Save The Dragons

pisskop:

With pisskop my head wants to Townread them, but my gut is more indifferent.

camelCasedSnivy:

This feels like Town cCS.

Save The Dragons:

The reason I have STD so low is because he is playing the exact same way as he did in Mini 2309, to the letter. I know some dismiss meta entirely, but I believe meta can be useful when players do exhibit certain patterns based on the aignments they're assigned.

Aisa:

She pings me as Town currently, because to me it seems like she has been trying to actually solve, instead of blending in and reacting.

davesaz:

Davesaz lurks a lot, and it's a bear trying to tell their alignment due to all of the lurking.

Cat Scratch Fever:

I'm having some difficulty trying to tell if she is Town or Scum invested in finding the other Scum.

Naerys:

Part of me thinks this is Town Naerys from Mini 2309. Part of me knows I have never played with Scum Naerys before.

bob3141:

Bob is like a sasquatch. You barely ever see one.

TemporalLich:

I have them at Scum-lean due to a mixture of gut Scum-pings and flippant votes and statements with zero reasoning behind them, even when asked.

furtiveglance:

The sassy joking about being Blue Scum does NOT help my anxiety on bit.

Enchant:

Too early to tell at the moment, and ZZZX barely posted this game.

the worst:

In the game that just resolved a few hours ago, Mini 2011, I nailed them as Scum and got them eliminated. They were Scum. I can slightly tell if they're Scum, and I'll need to re-analyze their slot in a while.

bbmolla:

I can't place them at the moment. Either Townie or Goon.

Shrek:

This person has barely posted this game, and I'm starting to feel less comfortable about it.

JacksonVirgo:

This slot has been very argumentative, has voted/made comments against me with zero reasoning, and I want answers still on the JV/Psyche mystery. As such they can go in Null-Scum.

shaddowez:

Kind of like Bob. Barely here.

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ID	Username	Pronouns	Status	Claim	Flip
01	Random Nurse	he/him	Alive	Town Informed Bulletproof	—
02	Flavor Leaf	—	Dead [Night 2]	—	Vanilla
03	pisskop biancospino	—	Alive	—	—
04	Hu Tao	she/they	Dead [Night 2]	—	Vanilla
05	camelCasedSnivy	he/him	Alive	—	—
06	Doctor Drew KittyTacky	he/him	Dead [Night 1]	—	Roleblocker
07	Save The Dragons	he/him	Alive	—	—
08	Aisa Merlyn	she/her, they/them	Alive	—	—
09	davesaz	—	Alive	—	—
10	Cat Scratch Fever Flavia	she/her	Alive	—	—
11	Naerys	she/her	Alive	—	—
12	Klazam	he/him	Dead [Night 1]	—	Goon
13	Psyche	he/they	Dead [Night2]	Complex Vigilante?	Complex Vigilante
14	bob3141	—	Alive	—	—
15	iamveryhappy	he/him	Dead [Day 1]	—	Vanilla
16	TemporalLich	—	Alive	—	—
17	furtiveglance	he/him	Alive	—	—
18	Enchant ZZZX	—	Alive	—	—
19	the worst	—	Alive	—	—
20	bbmolla	—	Alive	Vanilla per Complex Vig?	—
21	Shrek	—	Alive	—	—
22	JacksonVirgo	they/them	Alive	JOAT. LF/VIG	—
23	shaddowez	he/him	Alive	—	—

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[Random Nurse]

im a town roleblocker

RN n1
Hu tao n2

You roleblocked me Night 1,

did you

?

...

I'm inclined to think that you are a Scum Roleblocker.

acting like "you did this in one game" is meta is trash

That I do not agree with.

i claimed you can get off me now

Why do you assume I wanted you to claim now?

Also, why you want me to get off you? I haven't even started picking at you.

You claimed... to get me

off

you?

Doctor Drew died Night 1. He was a Town Roleblocker.

yes i am also a town roleblocker

it's like there can be more than one of each role in a game whoaaaaaaa

...

I am inclined to think he is a Scum Roleblocker.

[Random Nurse]

If STD turns out to be Scum again I will laugh so harding, having been right twice in identifying his Scum meta.