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Hu Tao · Post Post #52 (isolation #1) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 6:47 am

This is scHum Tao. Ready to power wolf this game.

Hu Tao · Post Post #53 (isolation #2) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 6:48 am

In post 17, Black wrote: VOTE: Hu Tao

I saw in the mod PT that this is a wolf

Sorry it has to be this way Hu

Onto me already?

Hu Tao · Post Post #54 (isolation #3) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 6:50 am

In post 32, Thomith wrote:
In post 30, DragonEater70 wrote: This game is boring

I claim mafia

VOTE: DragonEater70
Good thing the scum team are werewolves in this game!

This is a serious vote. Based on ~vibes~ so far, Thom seems different right now compared to the game that I was in with him where he was town. I'm not quite sure how to explain it but it feels like he's nervous. But maybe that could just be a basic read since there isn't much to go off right now

Hu Tao · Post Post #55 (isolation #4) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 6:51 am

VOTE: Thom

I forgot the vote

Hu Tao · Post Post #57 (isolation #5) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:03 am

In post 56, Celebloki wrote: VOTE: Hu Tao

I might as well get this out of the way now, since this is my usual tunnel. Maybe get it out of my system.

Is this an RVS vote or do you actually think I'm scum here based on my limited content so far?

Hu Tao · Post Post #58 (isolation #6) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:03 am

I'm trying to push this out of rvs already.

Hu Tao · Post Post #61 (isolation #7) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:07 am

In post 59, Thomith wrote:
In post 54, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 32, Thomith wrote:
In post 30, DragonEater70 wrote: This game is boring

I claim mafia

VOTE: DragonEater70
Good thing the scum team are werewolves in this game!
This is a serious vote. Based on ~vibes~ so far, Thom seems different right now compared to the game that I was in with him where he was town. I'm not quite sure how to explain it but it feels like he's nervous. But maybe that could just be a basic read since there isn't much to go off right now
I play off the vibes of other players early game until I see something substantial that I can latch onto. DE70 was being jokey, so I was being jokey too.

You are correct though tbf, I am probably playing different than the game you are referencing, because the vibes at the start were different.

So based on that, what do you think of my alignment? Do you think I'm town for thinking this or do you think it's something I could make up as scum? Since you did confirm that you are playing different than before when you were town.

Hu Tao · Post Post #72 (isolation #8) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:17 am

In post 62, Black wrote:
In post 58, Hu Tao wrote: I'm trying to push this out of rvs already.
Other players have already done this. Kinda feels like you are looking for townreads by saying this

I asked Cele because it looked like an RVS vote which looks like it was being pushed back into it. Which is why I needed to clarify

Hu Tao · Post Post #73 (isolation #9) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:18 am

In post 63, Gamma Emerald wrote: I think Katsuki’s claim deserves a closer glance
Not sure it’s real but it makes me look askance

I assumed it was fake. But I guess we should ask for clarification

Hu Tao · Post Post #76 (isolation #10) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:19 am

In post 64, Black wrote:
In post 61, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 59, Thomith wrote:
In post 54, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 32, Thomith wrote:
In post 30, DragonEater70 wrote: This game is boring

I claim mafia

VOTE: DragonEater70
Good thing the scum team are werewolves in this game!
This is a serious vote. Based on ~vibes~ so far, Thom seems different right now compared to the game that I was in with him where he was town. I'm not quite sure how to explain it but it feels like he's nervous. But maybe that could just be a basic read since there isn't much to go off right now
I play off the vibes of other players early game until I see something substantial that I can latch onto. DE70 was being jokey, so I was being jokey too.

You are correct though tbf, I am probably playing different than the game you are referencing, because the vibes at the start were different.
So based on that, what do you think of my alignment? Do you think I'm town for thinking this or do you think it's something I could make up as scum? Since you did confirm that you are playing different than before when you were town.
Shouldn't his answer have given you an idea of his alignment? Why are you more concerned with how he's reading you?

No, because he could be saying that as scum as an excuse. Or he could be honestly saying it. I'm not sure.

Hu Tao · Post Post #77 (isolation #11) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:20 am

In post 67, Black wrote:
In post 54, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 32, Thomith wrote:
In post 30, DragonEater70 wrote: This game is boring

I claim mafia

VOTE: DragonEater70
Good thing the scum team are werewolves in this game!
This is a serious vote. Based on ~vibes~ so far, Thom seems different right now compared to the game that I was in with him where he was town. I'm not quite sure how to explain it but it feels like he's nervous. But maybe that could just be a basic read since there isn't much to go off right now
I don't understand the nervous vibes at all really and I don't think someone acting different than they did in a previous game in their first couple of posts is alignment indicative

You say this, but he confirmed that something was different in the beginning which means my words carry a bit of weight. So why argue something he's confirmed to be true?

Hu Tao · Post Post #79 (isolation #12) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:20 am

In post 71, Black wrote: Hu's entrance feels forced and unnatural. I'm upgrading my RVS vote to a real one

Okay. I think you're town at the moment, but good to know.

Hu Tao · Post Post #80 (isolation #13) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:21 am

In post 68, Thomith wrote:
In post 61, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 59, Thomith wrote:
In post 54, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 32, Thomith wrote:
In post 30, DragonEater70 wrote: This game is boring

I claim mafia

VOTE: DragonEater70
Good thing the scum team are werewolves in this game!
This is a serious vote. Based on ~vibes~ so far, Thom seems different right now compared to the game that I was in with him where he was town. I'm not quite sure how to explain it but it feels like he's nervous. But maybe that could just be a basic read since there isn't much to go off right now
I play off the vibes of other players early game until I see something substantial that I can latch onto. DE70 was being jokey, so I was being jokey too.

You are correct though tbf, I am probably playing different than the game you are referencing, because the vibes at the start were different.
So based on that, what do you think of my alignment? Do you think I'm town for thinking this or do you think it's something I could make up as scum? Since you did confirm that you are playing different than before when you were town.
More so because of this post than the other one, this feels like almost the exact same way you questioned me during the Micro I think you are referencing, which does make me think you could be scum.

How did I question you then?

Hu Tao · Post Post #84 (isolation #14) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:27 am

In post 83, Black wrote:
In post 77, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 67, Black wrote:
In post 54, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 32, Thomith wrote:
In post 30, DragonEater70 wrote: This game is boring

I claim mafia

VOTE: DragonEater70
Good thing the scum team are werewolves in this game!
This is a serious vote. Based on ~vibes~ so far, Thom seems different right now compared to the game that I was in with him where he was town. I'm not quite sure how to explain it but it feels like he's nervous. But maybe that could just be a basic read since there isn't much to go off right now
I don't understand the nervous vibes at all really and I don't think someone acting different than they did in a previous game in their first couple of posts is alignment indicative
You say this, but he confirmed that something was different in the beginning which means my words carry a bit of weight. So why argue something he's confirmed to be true?
He agreed he might be playing different but he never confirmed that he was nervous. Can you try to elaborate on this a bit more? What specifically gave you the nervous vibes?

Because it's not how he acted before as town so I thought he could be faking it since he was nervous as scum and trying to blend in. Him confirming that he was different is interesting though. As scum do you think he'd deny that or admit he was different in the beginning?

Hu Tao · Post Post #87 (isolation #15) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:31 am

But if he were to deny it and I show everyone the difference, wouldn't that just look worse for him?

Hu Tao · Post Post #88 (isolation #16) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:32 am

In post 86, Black wrote: Why do you townread me Hu

You seem like town you, but I suppose I haven't really seen scum you yet. Either way, I like your questions. And I can see you scumreading me so far as town.

Hu Tao · Post Post #92 (isolation #17) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:44 am

In post 89, Black wrote: I wouldn't really expect him to deny it as scum. Maybe ask "Why?" or something to get more info out of your read

I kinda did ask him why. At least in terms of why my questioning now and then was the same.

Hu Tao · Post Post #94 (isolation #18) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:48 am

Oh sorry. I kinda think the opposite, but I understand what you mean now.

Hu Tao · Post Post #140 (isolation #19) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:42 am

In post 107, Katsuki wrote:
In post 58, Hu Tao wrote: I'm trying to push this out of rvs already.
Why do you feel the need to?

I've seen games where they last 10 pages

Hu Tao · Post Post #141 (isolation #20) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:43 am

In post 124, Naerys wrote:
In post 121, Thomith wrote:
In post 116, Naerys wrote:
In post 108, Thomith wrote:
In post 47, Naerys wrote: Thats basically scum confession
VOTE: Katsuki

In post 48, DragonEater70 wrote: Katsuki what exactly does your role do

In post 63, Gamma Emerald wrote: I think Katsuki’s claim deserves a closer glance
Not sure it’s real but it makes me look askance
These 3 posts about Katsukis claim make me want to keep an eye on these slots.
I feel like it was obvious the Juggernaut claim was a joke, and I do feel like it could be an easy opportunity for an opportunistic scum to jump on that.
This post actually makes me SR Thom.
VOTE: Thomith
Why?
The fact that juggernaut claim is joke can be obvious only to scum. Plus it feels like you felt a chance to put some shade on us

I don't agree with this logic at all. But I'm not sure how to make a read on you based off it.

Hu Tao · Post Post #142 (isolation #21) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:44 am

In post 125, DragonEater70 wrote: I'm liking Black's thought process so far. I think it's not totally out of her scum range but it does feel genuine and I feel okay townleaning her for now.

I don't fully see the Hu Tao scum read so I'm gonna try something different

VOTE: Gamma

What about her scumread on me do you not like?

Hu Tao · Post Post #157 (isolation #22) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 10:48 am

VOTE: Dragon

This feels like scum dragon unfortunately.

Hu Tao · Post Post #160 (isolation #23) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 11:12 am

In post 158, Naerys wrote: Hu plus Thom might be buddies

Why?

Hu Tao · Post Post #161 (isolation #24) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 11:13 am

In post 159, Black wrote:
In post 157, Hu Tao wrote: VOTE: Dragon

This feels like scum dragon unfortunately.

In post 158, Naerys wrote: Hu plus Thom might be buddies
I'm curious about both of these reads

Just a gut read at the moment

Hu Tao · Post Post #165 (isolation #25) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:15 pm

In post 162, Naerys wrote:
In post 159, Black wrote:
In post 157, Hu Tao wrote: VOTE: Dragon

This feels like scum dragon unfortunately.

In post 158, Naerys wrote: Hu plus Thom might be buddies
I'm curious about both of these reads
The way Hu just started to push Dragon, only bcz of her hut feeling feels meh. Could be attempt to lead attention away from Thom

I'm the one who started the attention on Thom. What's the reason for me to do that and then switch?

Hu Tao · Post Post #183 (isolation #26) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 4:29 pm

In post 178, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 154, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 142, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 125, DragonEater70 wrote: I'm liking Black's thought process so far. I think it's not totally out of her scum range but it does feel genuine and I feel okay townleaning her for now.

I don't fully see the Hu Tao scum read so I'm gonna try something different

VOTE: Gamma
What about her scumread on me do you not like?
I like the scumread, I just feel your response to it was fine I guess
you're putting reads in my mouth, for that I'm displeased
refrain from doing it again or you may wind up deceased
I've not spoken a word about Hu Tao as of yet
so I don't see why that relates to the vote that I get

I think the vote on you was unrelated. He was talking about Black's initial scumread of me.

Hu Tao · Post Post #196 (isolation #27) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 4:56 pm

In post 188, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 157, Hu Tao wrote: VOTE: Dragon

This feels like scum dragon unfortunately.
Curious to hear why, I guess

You just don't seem like your town self. And this response is pinging me for some reason.

Hu Tao · Post Post #217 (isolation #28) » Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:43 pm

Off of tone I think kitty is town here

Hu Tao · Post Post #243 (isolation #29) » Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:15 am

In post 235, Black wrote:
In post 7, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 5, Naerys wrote: I rolled a dice and it told me that there is Dragonwolf in this game
VOTE: DragonEater70
Oh noooo how did you find me out so quickly

VOTE: DragonEater70

In post 30, DragonEater70 wrote: This game is boring

I claim mafia

VOTE: DragonEater70

In post 232, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 220, Black wrote: VOTE: Dragon
VOTE: Dragon

Let's go.
Why do you do this

It feels very fake. I think we turbo vote dragon here.

Hu Tao · Post Post #245 (isolation #30) » Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:17 am

In post 237, Black wrote:
In post 169, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 71, Black wrote: Hu's entrance feels forced and unnatural. I'm upgrading my RVS vote to a real one

I like Hu's entrance. Maybe I'm normally paying more attention to other players but I feel like this is one of, if not the first time I've seen something AI from HT this early. They're usually one I have a hard time reading
What do you consider AI from her this game?

I've gone a little back and forth with her in my head. My initial read was that solvey!Hu equals scum!Hu but I looked over a couple of other recent town games of hers and that kinda ruined that theory, so I'm back at null leaning town probably

I'd also like to know this

Hu Tao · Post Post #246 (isolation #31) » Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:19 am

Okay I see it now. Hmm. Not sure how I feel about kyouko yet. But I'm sure I'll figure out soon.

Hu Tao · Post Post #247 (isolation #32) » Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:20 am

KittyTacky - Towny
davesaz - unsure
ssbm_kyouko - unsure
Celebloki - leaning sus
DragonEater70 - sus
camelCasedSnivy - unsure
Naerys - unsure
Gamma Emerald - unsure
Katsuki - unsure
Black - towny
Thomith - unsure but leaning sus

This is where I'm at right now.

Hu Tao · Post Post #253 (isolation #33) » Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:44 am

I disagree

Hu Tao · Post Post #301 (isolation #34) » Sat Dec 30, 2023 8:20 am

In post 255, Black wrote:
In post 254, Gamma Emerald wrote: I really don’t vibe with the Naerys votes
So my current chance of townreading those two is remote
I think kitty could be scum

The conviction in his Naerys read feels unnatural

Kitty is town. I'm sure. He is different as town and scum. Just like in the jester game when I correctly said he was town.

Hu Tao · Post Post #302 (isolation #35) » Sat Dec 30, 2023 8:21 am

In post 262, Thomith wrote:
In post 253, Hu Tao wrote: I disagree
Why do you disagree?

Because every fiber of my being is screaming that dragon is scum here

Hu Tao · Post Post #304 (isolation #36) » Sat Dec 30, 2023 8:22 am

In post 279, Black wrote:
In post 276, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 269, Naerys wrote: Plot twist: Dragon+Black are scum
hopefully thats not true
Still waiting for the day I roll scum with Black

It would be soooo fun

I died laughing at this

Hu Tao · Post Post #305 (isolation #37) » Sat Dec 30, 2023 8:24 am

In post 303, Black wrote:
In post 301, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 255, Black wrote:
In post 254, Gamma Emerald wrote: I really don’t vibe with the Naerys votes
So my current chance of townreading those two is remote
I think kitty could be scum

The conviction in his Naerys read feels unnatural
Kitty is town. I'm sure. He is different as town and scum. Just like in the jester game when I correctly said he was town.
He kinda feels different than he did in the jester game though? Like he's try harding or something. How does he play as scum?

Very rigid. He feels more free here. I'd be shocked if he's scum.

Hu Tao · Post Post #307 (isolation #38) » Sat Dec 30, 2023 8:28 am

In post 306, Katsuki wrote:
In post 293, DragonEater70 wrote: @Katsuki, is your top scumread davesaz currently? And is that based just on him claiming not to have a background with you even though je should have, or is there more to it?
I'm at a point where I'm quite content to sit back and see how things play out. I'm also somewhat rusty and mishandled my posting regarding dave so kinda gave him an easy out of any potential pressure. Rushed my posting and gave him the chance to use the convenient excuse of
"oh I forgot"
. The rest of his posting has been underwhelming and given me no reason to not trust my gut for now.

There is one player I'd be happy to see nom'ed today, but with the current game state there's no realistic chance of me getting support for their nom today so in the meantime I'm just going to chill until flips hopefully go my way to enable me to nail a wagon onto them.

Who is it?

Hu Tao · Post Post #342 (isolation #39) » Sat Dec 30, 2023 9:18 pm

In post 312, Black wrote: @Hu what do you mean by "rigid" exactly? These posts give off a rigid vibe to me but maybe we're using different definitions

I'm willing to trust that you have a much more solid meta read on kitty than I do but I want to make sure I'm understanding you correctly about him

Spoiler: meow
In post 200, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 47, Naerys wrote: Thats basically scum confession
VOTE: Katsuki
...I'm pretty sure that was a joke. Scum response.

VOTE: Naerys

In post 202, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 70, davesaz wrote: Agree Katsuki's post is interesting.
Makes me think it's my first time witnessing a slip, after lecturing people for a couple months on how they don't happen.
Why is everyone so sure of this being a slip and not a joke claim.

Someone claiming an evil role within the first few pages is 99% of the time joking. I mean it could be a 1000000IQ play where they're telling the truth and passing it off as a joke, but really?

In post 203, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 82, davesaz wrote: Thomith's mention of werewolves would have made my eyeballs go click but it's a reasonable guess given clues in the rules post.
Village is always paired with WWs. It's not a reasonable guess. It's obvious.

In post 204, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 114, Katsuki wrote: I'm willing to give myself some more time to see where my Black read develops given player unfamiliarity.

Happier to push this one to a lynch.

UNVOTE, VOTE: DAVE

Can you use vote tags?

In post 205, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 124, Naerys wrote:
In post 121, Thomith wrote:
In post 116, Naerys wrote:
In post 108, Thomith wrote:
In post 47, Naerys wrote: Thats basically scum confession
VOTE: Katsuki

In post 48, DragonEater70 wrote: Katsuki what exactly does your role do

In post 63, Gamma Emerald wrote: I think Katsuki’s claim deserves a closer glance
Not sure it’s real but it makes me look askance
These 3 posts about Katsukis claim make me want to keep an eye on these slots.
I feel like it was obvious the Juggernaut claim was a joke, and I do feel like it could be an easy opportunity for an opportunistic scum to jump on that.
This post actually makes me SR Thom.
VOTE: Thomith
Why?
The fact that juggernaut claim is joke can be obvious only to scum. Plus it feels like you felt a chance to put some shade on us
I'm sorry if this comes across as rude but this post feels like being dense on purpose.

In post 209, KittyTacky wrote: This is so weird.

I don't see how it's not obvious that it's a joke.

In post 211, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 166, Thomith wrote:
In post 146, davesaz wrote:
In post 120, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 82, davesaz wrote: Thomith's mention of werewolves would have made my eyeballs go click but it's a reasonable guess given clues in the rules post.
Wdym?
The anti-town faction would know what their name is. If there were not other clues that it isn't "mafia" like usual, it would be potentially interesting to mention it.
Again, it is literally mentioned in the opening posts that this is a villager vs werewolf game?
ikr, is everyone in this game high or what?

In post 212, KittyTacky wrote: What are those bizarre accusations flying left and right.

In post 219, KittyTacky wrote: And that scum is Naerys.

Doesn't feel forced

Hu Tao · Post Post #343 (isolation #40) » Sat Dec 30, 2023 9:18 pm

In post 313, Katsuki wrote:
In post 307, Hu Tao wrote: Who is it?
I intentionally left out the name.

That's a cute avatar you got

Hu Tao · Post Post #344 (isolation #41) » Sat Dec 30, 2023 9:19 pm

In post 316, davesaz wrote: Black and Dragon feel town.
I want to look at Gamma's vote. I have a potentially interesting take on the rhyme gimmick but will need more data to firm it up.
Naerys reason on Thomith feels genuine from memory but I don't think it's correct.
Hu Tao is showing a lot of range on having a variable play style. Despite noticing that I will have to re-read a couple things that I'm not sure on whether they're wrong theory or disingenous.

Can you tell me what about dragon is town?

Hu Tao · Post Post #358 (isolation #42) » Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:41 am

In post 355, Naerys wrote:
In post 354, Black wrote: with just hopping on the Naerys wagon instead
My wagon is dangerous tho, it tends to bite back.

Dangerous how?

Hu Tao · Post Post #363 (isolation #43) » Sun Dec 31, 2023 12:00 pm

In post 360, camelCasedSnivy wrote: i know hu tao said vibes but i dont understand that at all

Hu Tao · Post Post #366 (isolation #44) » Sun Dec 31, 2023 3:03 pm

Happy new year!

Hu Tao · Post Post #374 (isolation #45) » Sun Dec 31, 2023 8:45 pm

Why on those 2 wagons specifically?

Hu Tao · Post Post #404 (isolation #46) » Mon Jan 01, 2024 8:28 am

In post 382, Black wrote: I feel like I'm having a hard time reading people this game. All my reads are kinda stale and I'm not super confident in any of them

It's okay. Just copy my vote all game. I'm not scum or anything

Hu Tao · Post Post #412 (isolation #47) » Mon Jan 01, 2024 8:36 am

In post 406, Katsuki wrote:
In post 404, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 382, Black wrote: I feel like I'm having a hard time reading people this game. All my reads are kinda stale and I'm not super confident in any of them
It's okay. Just copy my vote all game. I'm not scum or anything

Don't think it's possible for a hu tao enthusiast to be scum.

Hu Tao · Post Post #413 (isolation #48) » Mon Jan 01, 2024 8:37 am

In post 410, Black wrote:
In post 404, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 382, Black wrote: I feel like I'm having a hard time reading people this game. All my reads are kinda stale and I'm not super confident in any of them
It's okay. Just copy my vote all game. I'm not scum or anything
I don't really think Dragon is scum but I have been fooled by him recently

Wanna wagon Dave with me?

Dave I think is someone I can read on tone. But I'm not too confident on that. Either way I'd give that more time

Hu Tao · Post Post #414 (isolation #49) » Mon Jan 01, 2024 8:37 am

In post 408, davesaz wrote:
In post 178, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 154, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 142, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 125, DragonEater70 wrote: I'm liking Black's thought process so far. I think it's not totally out of her scum range but it does feel genuine and I feel okay townleaning her for now.

I don't fully see the Hu Tao scum read so I'm gonna try something different

VOTE: Gamma
What about her scumread on me do you not like?
I like the scumread, I just feel your response to it was fine I guess
you're putting reads in my mouth, for that I'm displeased
refrain from doing it again or you may wind up deceased
I've not spoken a word about Hu Tao as of yet
so I don't see why that relates to the vote that I get
Two people in this game can read Gamma by tone.
Posting in rhyme takes them out of their zone.
Why does town want to be harder to read?
To a scumcase will this analysis lead?

Who knew you were such a poet

Hu Tao · Post Post #470 (isolation #50) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 9:31 am

In post 433, DragonEater70 wrote: Actually

VOTE: Thomith

Bad vote. I think Thom has actually started to be townier

Hu Tao · Post Post #472 (isolation #51) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 9:36 am

In post 442, Black wrote: If I had to guess I would say Dragon/Thomith is TvT

I think dragon is the scum if there is one there

Hu Tao · Post Post #473 (isolation #52) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 9:36 am

In post 459, Gamma Emerald wrote: VOTE: CCS
I think Snivy is a fine vote
And on that VC I did note
All Thomith voters were ones called out in post 108
So I’m feeling like giving that a break

I’m forcing this next bit by rhyming with orange
If you are active and have less posts than me, that’s kinda cringe
I’m hindered by my choice to rhyme
So you should have outposted me by this time

I don't hate a ccs vote either.

Hu Tao · Post Post #519 (isolation #53) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 12:36 pm

Why is snivy on E-1 so quickly?

Hu Tao · Post Post #520 (isolation #54) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 12:36 pm

Hu Tao · Post Post #560 (isolation #55) » Wed Jan 03, 2024 8:07 am

In post 526, Black wrote:
In post 519, Hu Tao wrote: Why is snivy on E-1 so quickly?
What kind of question is this

Why is it a bad question? I've seen their content but the votes were quickly done

Hu Tao · Post Post #621 (isolation #56) » Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:31 pm

In post 619, JacksonVirgo wrote: As it stands now, Thom/Black look the worst and Hu Tao looks the best

Why do I look the best?

Hu Tao · Post Post #890 (isolation #57) » Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:33 am

In post 666, Black wrote: VOTE: Thom

I want to explore this

I'm on the fence with it. His posting has improved.

Hu Tao · Post Post #891 (isolation #58) » Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:34 am

In post 714, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 629, Black wrote:
In post 618, JacksonVirgo wrote: (Black) feels like a pretty weak reason to town-read Thom, it feels like it's justifying something for the sake of justifying it. Town-reading somebody for making reads is just simply wrong
Reducing my read to this is simply wrong

In post 618, JacksonVirgo wrote: Black voting Naerys after she stated that black didn't look great, is not a great look to me
Scum tend to shade people for bad reasons and I definitely got that vibe from Naerys's comment. I don't think it makes sense for this to look bad to you
Naerys been shading people all day.

Good read from town kitty

Hu Tao · Post Post #894 (isolation #59) » Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:39 am

In post 728, Naerys wrote: Those wall posts are legit scummy

It feels like you're only saying this because others started to scum read thom recently.

Hu Tao · Post Post #895 (isolation #60) » Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:42 am

In post 754, Thomith wrote: To clarify why Hu Tao isn't down at the bottom as scummiest, but is more confident, is that Hu Tao hasn't done a lot actively scummy, which is why I dont have them as scummiest, but my gut is still pinging strongly that their play and tone feels so similar to the Micro that I have a hard time believing they are town.

I dont necessarily want to fade them right now, because again, they haven't dont a lot actively scummy, and I could be tunelled on the wing thing.
I struggle to read Hu Tao generally I fear, which is why while im confident, im not convinced if that makes any sense?

I believe this

Hu Tao · Post Post #896 (isolation #61) » Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:44 am

In post 820, Black wrote: VOTE: JacksonVirgo

I'm getting gut pings here that this slot is scum. I think they have been super appease-y in their interactions with me/Thom despite us being their top scumreads. I also think they've been kinda defensive too

I think they had a perspective slip regarding me and saying they think I'm a good player and they can't wait for me to pop off later, despite me being their biggest scumread. I'm not buying the excuse that they were trying to address me as town even though they don't think I am

It feels like they are ignoring half of the playerlist which gives me the feeling that they're not trying to solve at all. They just want to push their own little agenda to blend in and seem like they're doing stuff

I'm willing to move elsewhere if this doesn't get support but I think we should wagon this rn

I disagree. I don't hate their posts at all. I've played a game with them before with both of us as town so I'll compare to that later

Hu Tao · Post Post #897 (isolation #62) » Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:45 am

In post 857, DragonEater70 wrote: @Black, Naerys, Hu Tao, how do you feel about voting Kyo here?

Yes! I was just about to!!

VOTE: Kyouko

Hu Tao · Post Post #898 (isolation #63) » Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:47 am

In post 892, Black wrote:
In post 888, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 876, Black wrote: My avatar is from Pokemon but it's a little more obscure so only the real cool kids will recognize it
I chuckled when I saw you were Zinnia
ftr I am a character from Paldea
I love Penny so much. Kinda sad they didn't introduce a new Eeveelution in Gen 9. She would have been the perfect person to have it

I love both of those characters!

Hu Tao · Post Post #899 (isolation #64) » Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:47 am

In post 893, Black wrote:
In post 890, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 666, Black wrote: VOTE: Thom

I want to explore this
I'm on the fence with it. His posting has improved.
I'm curious what you think about Jackson

Answered already

Hu Tao · Post Post #900 (isolation #65) » Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:48 am

Kyouko I think is scum. I'd prefer that here for certain.

Hu Tao · Post Post #948 (isolation #66) » Thu Jan 04, 2024 6:53 pm

In post 903, Black wrote:
In post 247, Hu Tao wrote: KittyTacky - Towny
davesaz - unsure
ssbm_kyouko - unsure
Celebloki - leaning sus
DragonEater70 - sus
camelCasedSnivy - unsure
Naerys - unsure
Gamma Emerald - unsure
Katsuki - unsure
Black - towny
Thomith - unsure but leaning sus

This is where I'm at right now.
What changed between this post and now regarding kyouko?

I was purposely holding back my read on Kyouko. But when she's town she's like obvious town. And she isn't here so far.

Hu Tao · Post Post #949 (isolation #67) » Thu Jan 04, 2024 6:54 pm

In post 904, Black wrote: Also Hu do you still scumread Dragon? I'm wondering how your read on him fits in with your kyouko read considering she also thinks he's scum

I don't do scumreads in terms of teams, basically how I feel they are scummy individually. Because odds are I could be wrong if I try to do scumteams.

Hu Tao · Post Post #950 (isolation #68) » Thu Jan 04, 2024 6:58 pm

In post 943, JacksonVirgo wrote: VOTE: KittyTacky - will explain later

Instead of voting town, vote scum kyouko with me

Hu Tao · Post Post #1002 (isolation #69) » Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:48 am

In post 954, davesaz wrote:
In post 950, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 943, JacksonVirgo wrote: VOTE: KittyTacky - will explain later
Instead of voting town, vote scum kyouko with me
You seem pretty sure of town!Kitty, what's driving that?

Based on meta. This is how kitty plays as town.

Hu Tao · Post Post #1022 (isolation #70) » Fri Jan 05, 2024 4:16 am

Jackson could be scum.

Hu Tao · Post Post #1082 (isolation #71) » Fri Jan 05, 2024 2:39 pm

The voices in my head are telling me to quick hammer

Hu Tao · Post Post #1084 (isolation #72) » Fri Jan 05, 2024 2:41 pm

Hammering in 5 minutes

Hu Tao · Post Post #1086 (isolation #73) » Fri Jan 05, 2024 2:43 pm

Do I think she's scum? Not really. But I think there is a lot to be learned from this vote off.

Hu Tao · Post Post #1088 (isolation #74) » Fri Jan 05, 2024 2:48 pm

VOTE: Naerys

Goodnight all.

Hu Tao · Post Post #1089 (isolation #75) » Fri Jan 05, 2024 2:48 pm

If I die tonight. Strongest reads are kitty Town and kyouko scum.

Hu Tao · Post Post #1112 (isolation #76) » Sun Jan 07, 2024 4:49 pm

In post 1098, Black wrote: I don't think it's likely that all 3 scum were on the Naerys wagon

Which means there's at least one scum in {Gamma, Thomith, Jackson, Dragon}

Probably.

Hu Tao · Post Post #1113 (isolation #77) » Sun Jan 07, 2024 4:50 pm

In post 1102, Black wrote: I don't think the wagon was all that bad. Naerys was pretty scummy imo. I do think there's probably one scum on it. Maybe two

I don't think naerys was scummy. But she had to go unfortunately

Hu Tao · Post Post #1125 (isolation #78) » Sun Jan 07, 2024 6:49 pm

In post 1117, JacksonVirgo wrote: I did ISO kitty during the night before I got bored, and while I do think tonally they're scummy I do think I've been treating them unfairly

Kitty was town from post 1

Hu Tao · Post Post #1127 (isolation #79) » Sun Jan 07, 2024 6:50 pm

While I agree Dragon could be scum here. We should wait for him to check in

Hu Tao · Post Post #1130 (isolation #80) » Sun Jan 07, 2024 6:56 pm

Hu Tao · Post Post #1159 (isolation #81) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 6:23 am

In post 1143, Black wrote:
In post 1125, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1117, JacksonVirgo wrote: I did ISO kitty during the night before I got bored, and while I do think tonally they're scummy I do think I've been treating them unfairly
Kitty was town from post 1
Who do you think is scum? I want to sheep you

I'm leaning Dragon at the moment but unsure. I'll need to look over everything again. I'm confused with kyouko being so adamant that Dragon is scum

Hu Tao · Post Post #1160 (isolation #82) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 6:23 am

I think there is at least 1 scum in them though.

Hu Tao · Post Post #1161 (isolation #83) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 6:24 am

In post 1155, Thomith wrote:
In post 1125, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1117, JacksonVirgo wrote: I did ISO kitty during the night before I got bored, and while I do think tonally they're scummy I do think I've been treating them unfairly
Kitty was town from post 1
Why do you think Kitty is town?

Tone. I explained it yesterday. Kitty is very different as scum.

Hu Tao · Post Post #1163 (isolation #84) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 6:27 am

Actually I think I wanna vote Dragon. But not sure if I want him at e-1 yet. I want more discussions today.

Hu Tao · Post Post #1166 (isolation #85) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 6:32 am

I would agree probably 1 scum on him already. And likely one scum on Naerys

Hu Tao · Post Post #1167 (isolation #86) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 6:35 am

I'm sus of katsuki, kyouko, Dragon, gamma and Camel.

Not in any order. I wouldn't be surprised if at least 2 scum is in there.

Hu Tao · Post Post #1176 (isolation #87) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:35 am

In post 1168, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1163, Hu Tao wrote: Actually I think I wanna vote Dragon. But not sure if I want him at e-1 yet. I want more discussions today.
What do you want to discuss?

That the day shouldn't end in less than 24 hours

Hu Tao · Post Post #1178 (isolation #88) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:37 am

In post 1170, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: {DE, cCS/Kitty, ccs/Kitty/???}

Kitty is town imo.

Hu Tao · Post Post #1179 (isolation #89) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:38 am

Okay I'll hammer. In 5 minutes again

Hu Tao · Post Post #1190 (isolation #90) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:56 am

In post 1180, Black wrote: UNVOTE:

But why

Hu Tao · Post Post #1191 (isolation #91) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:56 am

In post 1182, Black wrote:
In post 1177, Gamma Emerald wrote:
So nothing of value, noted.
I'm not vibing with this shade at all

I don't think someone that is fine with ending the day in less than 24 hours is actually trying to solve the game

VOTE: Gamma

While I agree. I think I understand why

Hu Tao · Post Post #1192 (isolation #92) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:57 am

In post 1183, Black wrote:
In post 1176, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1168, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1163, Hu Tao wrote: Actually I think I wanna vote Dragon. But not sure if I want him at e-1 yet. I want more discussions today.
What do you want to discuss?
That the day shouldn't end in less than 24 hours
I'm curious about this take though. I've seen you argue in recent town games of yours that people will get apathetic unless we hammer and have a quick game. Why are you suddenly in the camp of wanting to let things play out?

Difference between ending a day in 24 hours and it dragging on for 7 days with no one doing anything

Hu Tao · Post Post #1193 (isolation #93) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:58 am

In post 1184, Gamma Emerald wrote: One of Black/Hu Tao is scum with Dragon, 100%
Last scum is on the Naerys wagon

0/2 I think

Hu Tao · Post Post #1195 (isolation #94) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:58 am

In post 1187, Thomith wrote: UNVOTE:
VOTE: Hu Tao

Interesting. Why?

Hu Tao · Post Post #1199 (isolation #95) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:01 am

Okay. I'm not going to try and tip toe around this anymore.

Kyouko do you have a guilty on dragon or no?

Hu Tao · Post Post #1204 (isolation #96) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:04 am

In post 1203, Gamma Emerald wrote: I was going to try to roleswap with Kyouko if another person left the Dragon wagon
Hu Tao trying to stall for time was absolutely heinous

Do you really think scum wouldn't notice?

Hu Tao · Post Post #1205 (isolation #97) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:05 am

We didn't have a night kill last night. I want to make sure it's clear if kyouko is claiming a guilty on dragon that our doc if we have one should be on kyouko

Hu Tao · Post Post #1210 (isolation #98) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:07 am

In post 1207, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 1199, Hu Tao wrote: Okay. I'm not going to try and tip toe around this anymore.

Kyouko do you have a guilty on dragon or no?
No, I wouldn't have investigated Dragon and I'm usually the type to just come out with it if I have a guilty rather than play the "I really think it's them" game

See this is why I wanted clarification. Because it only helps scum if town is confused

Hu Tao · Post Post #1212 (isolation #99) » Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:07 am

In post 1208, Gamma Emerald wrote: I was hoping to full send the wagon, but it was definitely a stretch. But you dilly-dallying probably ruined it

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:08 am

In post 1211, Gamma Emerald wrote: VOTE: Hu Tao

So me, stopping a quick vote on someone that DOESNT have a guilty on them makes me scum?

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:08 am

In post 1213, Thomith wrote: Well, nevermind.
Why did you think Kyouko had a guilty?

The way the votes piled up and the way gamma started acting

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:10 am

In post 1167, Hu Tao wrote: I'm sus of katsuki, kyouko, Dragon, gamma and Camel.

Not in any order. I wouldn't be surprised if at least 2 scum is in there.

Camel > Dragon today imo.

But I wouldn't hate a dragon vote

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:10 am

In post 1217, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: I was on Dragon all day yesterDay and only moved for the deadline so I wanted to keep going with that, I didn't realize that people thought I had a guilty

What do you think of gamma scumreading me for what I did? Considering you didn't have a guilty.

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:11 am

In post 1219, Gamma Emerald wrote: I still think you wanting to “discuss” felt very disingenuous.

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:13 am

In post 1222, Black wrote:
In post 1218, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1167, Hu Tao wrote: I'm sus of katsuki, kyouko, Dragon, gamma and Camel.

Not in any order. I wouldn't be surprised if at least 2 scum is in there.
Camel > Dragon today imo.

But I wouldn't hate a dragon vote
Has your read on Gamma changed?

Nope. Still sus on her. But I'm more sus on the others

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:14 am

KittyTacky - town
davesaz - forgot he was here tbh so ????
ssbm_kyouko - sus
JacksonVirgo - town
DragonEater70 - sus
camelCasedSnivy - sus
Gamma Emerald - sus
Katsuki - sus
Black - town
Thomith - town I think

Yikes. I need to narrow down my sus list.

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:16 am

So I've played a bit with ccs before. And I remember him being more towny as town (but I was scum both times I think)

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:17 am

In post 1226, Thomith wrote:
In post 1215, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1213, Thomith wrote: Well, nevermind.
Why did you think Kyouko had a guilty?
The way the votes piled up and the way gamma started acting
What do the way votes piling up have to do with you thinking Kyouko has a guilty?

People usually don't get to e-1 that fast unless there is a guilty.

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:17 am

In post 1225, Black wrote: {Gamma, Thomith, Jackson, Dragon}

I want to fade in this group

Okay. It's gamma or Dragon then. Do you believe gamma when she says she wanted to roleswap?

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:19 am

In post 1231, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 1220, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1217, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: I was on Dragon all day yesterDay and only moved for the deadline so I wanted to keep going with that, I didn't realize that people thought I had a guilty
What do you think of gamma scumreading me for what I did? Considering you didn't have a guilty.
I'm pretty sure that Gamma really did think I have a guilty given the way she played that. And I don't think Gamma is the type to see that if she's scum with Dragon. Like as scum, the reality of all the alignments are set in stone in her mind and it doesn't occur to her to pretend I have a guilty on town!Dragon. I do think she thought you were trying to disrupt what she thought was a guilty so I think it makes sense that she'd scumread you for it

I agree with this too. Could be both of them scum together

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:20 am

In post 1233, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1221, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1219, Gamma Emerald wrote: I still think you wanting to “discuss” felt very disingenuous.

Am I wrong? You are not really a person who likes to go into major detail from what I know. As such you wanting “more time to discuss” doesn’t really feel like it’s your style. My theory is you’re covering for Dragon here so he can slip away, I am keenly aware that giving scum more time is a bad idea.

I'm a changed woman. I've seen that me not explaining things in detail has caused issues. So I am trying to improve on that.

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:34 am

In post 1251, Black wrote:
In post 1235, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1233, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1221, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1219, Gamma Emerald wrote: I still think you wanting to “discuss” felt very disingenuous.

Am I wrong? You are not really a person who likes to go into major detail from what I know. As such you wanting “more time to discuss” doesn’t really feel like it’s your style. My theory is you’re covering for Dragon here so he can slip away, I am keenly aware that giving scum more time is a bad idea.
I'm a changed woman. I've seen that me not explaining things in detail has caused issues. So I am trying to improve on that.
I 100% believe this after Mini Normal 2319. Though I still take full credit for us losing that game. My tunnel was awful regardless of how little you explained yourself

It's okay bestie. I'm also responsible for that loss too.

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:35 am

In post 1263, Black wrote: There's either two scum in {Kitty, CCS, dave, kyouko, Kat, Hu} or two scum in {Gamma, Thomith, Jackson, Dragon}

I like my chances with the second group

It's gamma and Dragon. My gut is telling me kyouko is scum though. But I could be wrong on that cause I don't see all 3 of them scum together

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:36 am

In post 1266, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 1218, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1167, Hu Tao wrote: I'm sus of katsuki, kyouko, Dragon, gamma and Camel.

Not in any order. I wouldn't be surprised if at least 2 scum is in there.
Camel > Dragon today imo.

But I wouldn't hate a dragon vote
Why camel? Is it just the low content and how his wagon stalled?

Based on meta he seems different but he could just be busy

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:38 am

In post 1280, Thomith wrote: {Gamma, Thomith, Jackson, Dragon}
The issue I have here is I think I'm townreading everyone in this list right now.

Glad you are townreading yourself

but seriously why do you tr dragon?

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:39 am

In post 1281, Gamma Emerald wrote: VOTE: Black
I’m not as gung ho about Hu Tao anymore and this feels like Black trying to drive a wedge into the gamestate

Yikes vote

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:42 am

I think Dragon is the vote today. Because if he's scum we turbo vote gamma. And kyouko is pretty lock town if gamma is also scum.

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:44 am

In post 1293, Black wrote:
In post 1291, Hu Tao wrote: I think Dragon is the vote today. Because if he's scum we turbo vote gamma. And kyouko is pretty lock town if gamma is also scum.
Why can't gamma and kyouko be scum together?

If Dragon is scum I think gamma thought kyouko had a guilty on her partner.

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:46 am

In post 1298, Black wrote:
In post 1296, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1293, Black wrote:
In post 1291, Hu Tao wrote: I think Dragon is the vote today. Because if he's scum we turbo vote gamma. And kyouko is pretty lock town if gamma is also scum.
Why can't gamma and kyouko be scum together?
If Dragon is scum I think gamma thought kyouko had a guilty on her partner.
Oh I see, you are assuming Dragon is scum here

If Dragon is town do you think kyouko/gamma has any equity?

Possibly but not necessarily as a team but individually

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:49 am

Well majority seems to think there is a scum in kyouko/gamma/Dragon. Possibly two

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:49 am

In post 1304, Thomith wrote: I think I'm still between Hu Tao, CCS, Katsuki, Dave

Can you explain why I'm scum here?

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:50 am

In post 1308, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 1283, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1280, Thomith wrote: {Gamma, Thomith, Jackson, Dragon}
The issue I have here is I think I'm townreading everyone in this list right now.
Glad you are townreading yourself but seriously why do you tr dragon?
Why do you SR me?

Your play reminds me of that last game you were scum

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:54 am

In post 1313, Thomith wrote:
In post 1310, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1304, Thomith wrote: I think I'm still between Hu Tao, CCS, Katsuki, Dave
Can you explain why I'm scum here?
The honest genuine answer is I'm probably tunelled on you.

I respect it.

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 08, 2024 10:01 am

In post 1319, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 1311, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1308, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 1283, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1280, Thomith wrote: {Gamma, Thomith, Jackson, Dragon}
The issue I have here is I think I'm townreading everyone in this list right now.
Glad you are townreading yourself but seriously why do you tr dragon?
Why do you SR me?
Your play reminds me of that last game you were scum
Can you elaborate?

I wish I could. When you're town you just have a different energy that I'm not seeing here.

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 08, 2024 10:26 am

In post 1340, Katsuki wrote:
In post 1307, Hu Tao wrote: Well majority seems to think there is a scum in kyouko/gamma/Dragon.
Possibly two

Now the question is, which players do you think believe in that latter statement?

The people that were talking at the time

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 08, 2024 10:28 am

In terms of 2? Me and black.

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 08, 2024 4:36 pm

In post 1378, Dannflor wrote: black seems town this game

hu tao seems like scum

Why am I scum?

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 08, 2024 4:44 pm

VOTE: camel

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:49 am

In post 1655, Thomith wrote:

JacksonVirgo
Dannflor

Black
Gamma Emerald

ssbm_kyouko

Katsuki
KittyTacky
Hu Tao

davesaz
camelCasedSnivy

Vote camel with me

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:51 am

Does anyone Town read Snivy? If so why?

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:54 am

In post 1684, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1682, Hu Tao wrote: Does anyone Town read Snivy? If so why?
Dann does

Dann thinks I'm scum so if he's town his reads are wrong anyway.

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:54 am

In post 1685, Gamma Emerald wrote: This just a meme solve: it would be funny if the team was Dann + cCS + Katsuki

Join me on cCS

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:17 am

3 votes on ccs. Only need 3 more votes. Black and Jackson care to join?

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:27 am

In post 1693, Katsuki wrote:
In post 1692, Hu Tao wrote: 3 votes on ccs. Only need 3 more votes. Black and Jackson care to join?
What happened to your "there is possibly 2 scum in {kyouko, GE, dragondann}"?

Possibly is the key word. Also I've already gave my list of people I want to vote in.

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:29 am

In post 1693, Katsuki wrote:
In post 1692, Hu Tao wrote: 3 votes on ccs. Only need 3 more votes. Black and Jackson care to join?
What happened to your "there is possibly 2 scum in {kyouko, GE, dragondann}"?

In post 1167, Hu Tao wrote: I'm sus of katsuki, kyouko, Dragon, gamma and Camel.

Not in any order. I wouldn't be surprised if at least 2 scum is in there.

Convenient you left this post out.

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:33 am

I find it interesting you're coming for me today Katsuki. You had me as a strong Town read yesterday. What changed?

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 09, 2024 10:58 am

In post 1714, Dannflor wrote: why is hu tao probably town to you

Jackson isn't being voted out today likely. So it's between you and CCS right now. Would you be willing to vote there?

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 09, 2024 10:59 am

In post 1721, Dannflor wrote: i don't really like the CCS wagon at all

Never-mind. Lol

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 09, 2024 10:59 am

In post 1723, Dannflor wrote: VOTE: hu tao

My problem with you right now is that you're voting people that you know likely won't get eliminated

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:00 am

In post 1722, Black wrote:
In post 1718, Katsuki wrote: So where does the scumteam fit in then in that case if it's not you and Dann is too low?
Scum is probably like CCS/Thomith/Jackson but I don't have much confidence that this is the complete solve. I work better after some flips and associations

The last 2 aren't scum.

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:02 am

If one more person votes Dann I'll hammer BTW.

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:03 am

In post 1732, Dannflor wrote:
In post 1726, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1723, Dannflor wrote: VOTE: hu tao
My problem with you right now is that you're voting people that you know likely won't get eliminated
i could eliminate anyone in this game if i wanted to

VOTE: Dann.
Eliminate me then

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:04 am

I don't like the softing. Now you're e-1, you should claim.

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:08 am

Darn. I was scum. Sorry team

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:09 am

In post 1736, Gamma Emerald wrote: That’s atrocious if real and she flips town

This is a bad reaction BTW. I'm fine with gamma gone again

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:11 am

UNVOTE:

I think I want ccs or gamma today still.

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:13 am

If everyone wants gamma. Maybe we should all vote her

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:13 am

I'll start VOTE: gamma

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:14 am

In post 1751, Gamma Emerald wrote: Hu Tao, your towngame is one of the worst on this site currently. This is dead serious.

Why?

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:21 am

In post 1758, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1754, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1751, Gamma Emerald wrote: Hu Tao, your towngame is one of the worst on this site currently. This is dead serious.
Why?
You seem to recognize the holes in it but I don’t see jack shit from you to patch them. You also consistently go down the most idiotic rabbit holes of logic.

So what am I doing wrong here?

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:23 am

I don't buy that from you. I really think you're scum here

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:06 pm

In post 1764, Gamma Emerald wrote: I was thinking this gamestate felt like D1 of mini 2317 but I didn’t know who was the Khaos counterpart and who was the Elements counterpart. However, Hu Tao is 100% the Eiralox counterpart so now I need to figure out if Dann is Khaos by right of Eiralox/Hu Tao almost voting out the scum or if it’s cCS by way of Eiralox/Hu Tao acting like an idiot and making it harder to focus in on the scum by driving me up the wall.

If I'm acting like an idiot, why are you the only one saying so?

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:06 pm

In post 1767, davesaz wrote: Heh, I didn't scroll far enough. Drawbacks of reading and responding post by post.

I know this feeling

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:07 pm

In post 1769, Gamma Emerald wrote: To be exclusive to the current situation, I find it aggravating that I am calling Dann scum for dayvigging hypothetical town!HT and she finds it somehow problematic enough to completely derail the momentum on Dann. I see no real reason why my post comes off as forced so I just feel like she’s going off the deep end.
I had a similar reaction in mini 2317 when Eiralox decided hypertunneling me was more pro-town than helping consolidate less than 12 hours before deadline.

Did you forget I already had you in my list to want to vote out?

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:08 pm

And why did you complain about only me? Dann also said your reaction was bad.

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:08 pm

In post 1770, davesaz wrote: Lots of gold medals in conclusion jumping to be had here. Enough that I can't tell what's genuine and what's not.

At least I'm not the only one

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 09, 2024 6:46 pm

In post 1792, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 1763, Hu Tao wrote: I don't buy that from you. I really think you're scum here
She's just not though and that while dayvig reaction and then "gotcha" of Gamma was just that - a gotcha.

Why do you think she's scum here?

As a side note I'm pretty sure a dayvig would not be something an Inventor under Normal guidelines could make

She's in my list of people who I think are scum here

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 09, 2024 6:47 pm

Before that exchange. I thought she was sus around thinking your vote was a guilty

Hu Tao · Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:09 am

In post 1906, Gamma Emerald wrote: Thinking on it, my issue with how Hu Tao engages me specifically is twofold: she seems to form a read on very little evidence and rarely shift from that initial read, which would not be extremely aggravating if they didn’t end up scumreading me a majority of the time.

This has nothing to do with you specifically. I gave a group of 5 people I'd be willing to vote. Stop trying to make things personal please.

Hu Tao · Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:10 am

VOTE: kyouko

Yeah, I'm fine with voting her out today

Hu Tao · Wed Jan 10, 2024 3:06 pm

I'm fine with either gone. I think kyouko flips scum here though.

Hu Tao · Wed Jan 10, 2024 5:43 pm

Just vote kyouko. This isn't town kyouko. When she's town she's overly town. This game she's not.

Hu Tao · Thu Jan 11, 2024 3:17 am

In post 2100, JacksonVirgo wrote: Thinking about it more, I really don't like Kyo's wagon

Trust. The people who play with her a lot say this isn't her town game

Hu Tao · Thu Jan 11, 2024 3:21 am

But, I don't care if Dann goes though since he scumreads me and Dragon could have been scum anyway.

Hu Tao · Thu Jan 11, 2024 3:22 am

But do I really want to hammer twice in a row?

Hu Tao · Thu Jan 11, 2024 3:29 am

It's weird cause I thought Dragon was scum. But I think Dann is townish.

Hu Tao · Thu Jan 11, 2024 3:29 am

Maybe I'll hammer in an hour though

Hu Tao · Thu Jan 11, 2024 3:42 am

Yeah he's probably not pr or should have claimed already

Hu Tao · Thu Jan 11, 2024 5:36 am

Okay I'm just going to hammer. I trust kyouko to town up more if she's town

Hu Tao · Thu Jan 11, 2024 5:38 am

VOTE: dannflor

Goodnight again

Hu Tao · Sun Jan 14, 2024 9:09 pm

I'm guessing Black was the night kill. Katsuki a vig shot? They should have just shot gamma slot after what was said yesterday. I think gamma thought that kyouko had a guilty on her partner.

Hu Tao · Sun Jan 14, 2024 9:10 pm

In post 2135, Gypyx wrote: Ok so we really have half the alive players as new slots huh, lmao

also that's a rough night for me, black and katsuki kinda were my top SR's

Why would it be a rough night? Should that not be good?

Hu Tao · Sun Jan 14, 2024 9:19 pm

Does dann's ability mean he gave someone a vig shot? I'm so confused

Hu Tao · Sun Jan 14, 2024 9:19 pm

In post 2140, Thomith wrote:
In post 2136, Hu Tao wrote: I'm guessing Black was the night kill. Katsuki a vig shot? They should have just shot gamma slot after what was said yesterday. I think gamma thought that kyouko had a guilty on her partner.
I assumed the other way round?

Katsuki to me was kind of conftown after the Dann push (although with some of the thinks they were saying I did assume they had a guilty on Dann)

Also (unless I am understanding it wrong) I think Danns inventions (at least two of them) just outright kill the player they're given to? So it could have been because of that there were 2 kills)

Yeah I'm confused. It could be the other way around too.

Hu Tao · Sun Jan 14, 2024 9:24 pm

Okay I think I understand. So Dann gives a town member an inventor shot. And the town member gives someone a vig shot? But if they gave that vig shot to scum the town member dies?

Hu Tao · Sun Jan 14, 2024 9:25 pm

So it's possible that black or katsuki gave the shot to scum? Or am I lost here

Hu Tao · Sun Jan 14, 2024 9:34 pm

In post 4, biancospino wrote: [*] Players are not inherently multitasking (and so may not submit more than one action per phase)
[*]
There is exactly one Godfather.

[*]
There are no Serial Killers
.

These on the rules are important. If there is only 1 scum left then that'd mean godfather is the only left? But I'd rather keep it safe by assuming there is still 2 scum left

Hu Tao · Sun Jan 14, 2024 9:38 pm

In post 2148, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 2145, Hu Tao wrote: So it's possible that black or katsuki gave the shot to scum? Or am I lost here
So pulling it apart right now I guess

He was a Werewolf lazy weak compulsive Inventor (compulsive combined Vigilante Bodyguard x2, compulsive combined Vigilante Hider x2, compulsive strongwilled weak Vigilante).

Forced to give an invention, will die if they target a wolf. So they are forced to give vig guns to the Town.

Vigilante Bodyguard is pretty much a suicide charge if I am reading this right. Whoever they give the gun to has to shoot and kill themselves.
The hider I think kills their target and themselves. So two deaths
The other one is a vigilante that hits nmw but also dies if they shoot a wolf.

I'm assuming the first then ?

Hu Tao · Sun Jan 14, 2024 9:39 pm

In post 2156, Thomith wrote:
In post 2154, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 4, biancospino wrote: [*] Players are not inherently multitasking (and so may not submit more than one action per phase)
[*]
There is exactly one Godfather.

[*]
There are no Serial Killers
.
These on the rules are important. If there is only 1 scum left then that'd mean godfather is the only left? But I'd rather keep it safe by assuming there is still 2 scum left
For sure let's be safe and assume 2, just something I wanted to point out.
Godfather + whatever the hell that inventor is seems like a fair bit of power, so I'd probably assume a 3rd wolf if it exists is probably a Goon?

Probably

Hu Tao · Sun Jan 14, 2024 9:41 pm

In post 2160, Thomith wrote: Is there a world where scums only way of killing would be through the inventor, or would that not be normal?

It says in their role pm they can maul based on dann's

Hu Tao · Sun Jan 14, 2024 9:44 pm

I still think we vote out gamma slot today

Hu Tao · Sun Jan 14, 2024 9:44 pm

In post 2166, Thomith wrote: I'm more trying to figure out wtf is going on with the setup for my own curiosity.

Also trying to figure out how Black/Katsuki died to see if we can figure out motivations.

I can stop if we feel its not productive though.

I think it's helpful

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 15, 2024 3:15 am

In post 2185, Thomith wrote:
In post 2154, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 4, biancospino wrote: [*] Players are not inherently multitasking (and so may not submit more than one action per phase)
[*]
There is exactly one Godfather.

[*]
There are no Serial Killers
.
These on the rules are important. If there is only 1 scum left then that'd mean godfather is the only left? But I'd rather keep it safe by assuming there is still 2 scum left
The reason why I'm thinking 2 scum is even possible, because in effect, scum could technically get 2 kills a night on night 1 and 2, with Danns compulsive vig bg shots he gave out. The swing then gets even greater if the person who then gets given compulsive vig hider misfires.

Is there a possible traitor or no

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 15, 2024 3:15 am

In post 2187, Gypyx wrote:
In post 2183, davesaz wrote:
In post 2179, Gypyx wrote:
In post 2178, davesaz wrote: Inventor gives a thing. The given thing is not used the same night it is given. If it were there would need to be 2 night deadlines, one to give it and another to use it.

Dann gives out inventor shots. Read the role card very carefully.
No it's just phrased very weirdly, but he doesn't give out inventor shots, i asked the mod about it for clarification

@MOD: We'll need this to be answered in the thread. Does Dann's role give inventions that give the inner abilities, or the inner abilities directly?

this just occured to me but +town points for everyone who misundersteanding dannfloor's role since his scumbuddies would probably already have received an explaination

Not necessarily could put on an act

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 15, 2024 3:18 am

I kinda just think it's gamma or ccs slot as scum

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 15, 2024 3:22 am

In post 6, Thomith wrote: VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Hello

In post 8, DragonEater70 wrote: Btw, my initial thought because this game is 12 players and complex is that there's probably only 2 scum but one is a vigilante

I'm kinda disappointed I didn't roll mafia vigilante tbh

In post 9, Thomith wrote:
In post 8, DragonEater70 wrote: Btw, my initial thought because this game is 12 players and complex is that there's probably only 2 scum but one is a vigilante

I'm kinda disappointed I didn't roll mafia vigilante tbh
Omg maybe inventor could give a gun to scum vigilante if it exists so they can get a triple kill!

In post 10, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 9, Thomith wrote:
In post 8, DragonEater70 wrote: Btw, my initial thought because this game is 12 players and complex is that there's probably only 2 scum but one is a vigilante

I'm kinda disappointed I didn't roll mafia vigilante tbh
Omg maybe inventor could give a gun to scum vigilante if it exists so they can get a triple kill!
Ooohhh

I like this idea

If there is a traitor I think this could be a traitor soft of gamma slot is scum.

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 15, 2024 3:31 am

In post 2206, Thomith wrote: The more I do setup spec the more I'm convinced it's 2 scum, so might need someone to pull me out of the spiral.

We could have outright been in ELo today with 3 scum if we mislimmed on Day 1 and 2, which seems crazy.
Even if we then limmed correctly in ELo, town would just lose because of the vig bg shot.

Yeah. The fact we had no nk n1 could mean godfather has another ability in its role and they just didn't maul n1. Or a doc save. Unsure

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 15, 2024 6:15 am

Naur

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 15, 2024 6:39 am

In post 2261, davesaz wrote: Given the mod's answer, someone is a backup.

You're saying scum has a backup?

Hu Tao · Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:39 am

In post 2264, davesaz wrote: Don't know alignment of the backup.

Wasn't Kat the backup? I'm confused

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:58 pm

In post 2283, davesaz wrote: I wanted to see if anyone seemed to have TMI first.

I received an invention on Dann's list after Dann was limmed.
Therefore there is a backup, and it wasn't Katsuki for the reason already mentioned.

How is this possible?

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:00 pm

Wait. Katsuki's role says a non vanilla so it doesn't have to be town.

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:01 pm

Isn't it possible katsuki gave it to Dave and died?

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:04 pm

In post 2290, Enchant wrote: Katsuki not even inventor.

She's a backup. So she could backup dann's inventor no?

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:19 pm

In post 2294, Duelist Kage wrote: It's so nice to explain why none of that is possible and be ignored.

Can you quote it

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 16, 2024 4:35 pm

In post 2296, davesaz wrote: From Katsuki flip:
In post 2133, biancospino wrote: one-shot activated UniversalBackup — At Night, but at most once during the game, you may activate this ability. Assuming no interference with your action, when a non-Vanilla player aligned with you dies this Night, you will inherit their role and lose this ability.
The backup is only for deaths the same night and same alignment.

Ah I missed the aligned with you part

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 16, 2024 4:37 pm

In post 2299, Duelist Kage wrote: And I don't think this game has room for there to be a town version of that inventor! Why aren't there more deaths if there's been two?

Yeah I'm confused how he got the shot so fast. Its possible that it's something scum did night 1 and that's why there was no kills? Rules says they can't multitask iirc

Hu Tao · Tue Jan 16, 2024 6:47 pm

I still want duelist today

Hu Tao · Wed Jan 17, 2024 12:51 pm

In post 2314, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 2312, Hu Tao wrote: I still want duelist today
Then where's your vote?

VOTE: duelist