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I see we're on Day 4. Any IMPORTANT highlights I should know?

VOTE: Hu Tao

Flavor is conftown vig, Gera/purple/your slot have been lurky, Dragon is a claimed JK, the rest of us are claimed vanilla

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What Day did Flavor claim Vig? How was he confTowned?

I don't care how my prior slot behaved given what

I

know.

What Day did Dragon claim JK?

It actually does matter because we have been labeling the group as lurk group.

But it’s really not an alignment thing, and I’ve been hard protecting your slot for a while as is.

To you, not to me.

Lurking doesn't make one Scum, either.

As you should know competent Scum can also be active Scum.

Did my predecessors claim anything?

Yeah, Vanilla.

I also don’t care at all if you think it doesn’t matter, cuz it factually does, and if you wanna not understand why, I don’t care about that either.

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You just missed the entire point of it, but end of the day, I think that’s in your town wheelhouse in addition to you replacing in and not having been in the game.

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If DE is town, there’s a confirmed Roleblocker, so I can die if scum Block DE, and I get to shoot.

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FWIW, I’ve been the biggest pusher of Dragon and Hu Tao having scum in them

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So totally okay with the pressure, again, just getting the factual statements out there.

RN knows I’d catch him out hard here if he was scum, and I don’t think that they are scum here.

I stand by scum team is Dragon/Hu Tao, Dragon/Purple, Dragon/Geraint, Hu Tao/Purple, Geraint/Purple

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UNVOTE:

Welcome Nurse, have you caught up on the game?

Uh

I wanna UNVOTE: for a mo here

This does not happen from a SCUM PAV.

Y’all talk about me needing to compromise?!?

YALL need to compromise.

I can see that

New townblock (IMO):
Flavor, Dragon, Pav, Hu Tao, Nurse

Let's murder Gamma / Gera.

lol, it’s never Gamma

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I did not mean to unvote. Clicked while typing.

VOTE: Hu Tao

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Is hammering Hu Tao here not a scum claim?

Anyway I'm jailing Flavor and would appreciate if he shot in my PoE.

Is that a slip?

TELL ME that's not a

slip

, Dragon.

Night 1 Dragon said they got blocked because something went through, forget what it was, and they’ve been jailing me ever since.

So from Dragon’s POV, they’re saying a roleblocker is confirmed.

Also, since I have a confirmed vig kill, and Dragon has jailed me two nights in a row and no kill, this implies if Dragon is town, scum shot me two nights in a row.

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I'm going to need you... to be more thorough.

Give me a brief summary on each of these Days and Nights.

You said there were no NOs the last two Nights and Dragon jailed you two Nights in a row? If so maybe you could also have been Scum attempting to kill the last two Nights.

That's why I need you to be thorough, so if you're Scum you don't end up having a major problem on your hands.

Eh don’t feel like it right now, maybe later.

Night 1 there were 2 deaths. I have a confirmed Vig kill.

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No other possibility of there being 2 deaths this game.

It’s labeled as Simple. I am mechanically confirmed town

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Stop.

This means CW could have been shot.

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Is hammering Hu Tao here not a scum claim?

Anyway I'm jailing Flavor and would appreciate if he shot in my PoE.

Is that a slip?

TELL ME that's not a

slip

, Dragon.

Night 1 Dragon said they got blocked because something went through, forget what it was, and they’ve been jailing me ever since.

So from Dragon’s POV, they’re saying a roleblocker is confirmed.

Also, since I have a confirmed vig kill, and Dragon has jailed me two nights in a row and no kill, this implies if Dragon is town, scum shot me two nights in a row.

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I'm going to need you... to be more thorough.

Give me a brief summary on each of these Days and Nights.

You said there were no NOs the last two Nights and Dragon jailed you two Nights in a row? If so maybe you could also have been Scum attempting to kill the last two Nights.

That's why I need you to be thorough, so if you're Scum you don't end up having a major problem on your hands.

Eh don’t feel like it right now, maybe later.

Night 1 there were 2 deaths. I have a confirmed Vig kill.

Who was your Vig kill again?

And how exactly are you confirmed Tow again?

Were you Copped?

Because the game is Simple there's no mechanical way of you still being Scum?

Abnegation.

There’s no other way of there being a 2nd night kill except by a Town Vigilante in Simples.

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this means I’m a confirmed Vigilante, and thus town

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Oo, this got spicy.

Dragon is up in the pool a bit more, but I think so is RN.

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Cop
Vig
1 shot BP
7 Vanilla

Blocker
Strongman
Goon

Or

Cop
JK
Vigilante
7 Vanilla

1 shot BP
Blocker
Goon

Or

Cop
Vig
JK
1-shot BP

Blocker
Strongman
Goon

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So then logically, if you're not BS'ing about mechanics, Scum should then target the JK instead of you since they got blocked targeting you twice already?

*Also tell it me to stop will assuredly NOT make me stop, I can guarantee you that.

Wasn’t tellin you to stop, you’re misinterpreting

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I thought RN was just claiming for fun

Is this a serious claim, Nurse

He doesn’t get to take it back imo.

I can call out RN scum from a mile away. Let me think.

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UNVOTE: Hu Tao

I can see a scum Dragon world where they shot at CW, and then Dragon had to say they jailed me to keep CW in the lim pool.

Idk if that’s Occam’s though. Let me think

1 shot BP and JK doesn’t make that much sense to be town/town though

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Wait, RN always claims 1 shot BP, it is a fake claim

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Ah, i think this is town RN.

Damn it, Dragon, i can see you as scum so much here, but i town read you by tone

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Is hammering Hu Tao here not a scum claim?

Anyway I'm jailing Flavor and would appreciate if he shot in my PoE.

How flavor can shot if you jail them?

The scum has a roleblocker

So there are three options:

1. Scum blocks me in order to shoot flavor. They kill him and he also gets to shoot since I'm blocked
2. Scum kills me. Flavor doesn't gwt to shoot but at least I'm confirmed as town and maybe Flavor sheeps my reads.
3. Scum kill someone else (let's say you or gera). Okay not ideal but helps narrow the pool down.

I need to think about how I feel about Purple and Dragon’s posts here.

I think this might be something that doesn’t make me think they are S/S.

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I have a confirmed kill this time, RN. Don’t worry.

I spent first day and a half okay policy’ing your slot before town reading them and thinking they had a correct solve.

There was a Day 2 wagon on you that almost lead to your slot dying, lead by Dragon, Hu Tao, and HPE. HPE has flipped scum.

Dragon jailed me twice in a row after, and prevented me from shooting scum. The 2nd no kill night didn’t effect scum’s chances of having another day, though.

I did

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Anyway

Nurse being obvtown makes me feel worse about other slots

But here's the cool part: because I am town and not scum I am not going to randomly vote gera or Hu Tao, I am going to think about it and come back to you with an answer.

Are you hesitant on voting Hu Tao?

Is that... fear?

They’re more than hesitant.

They’ve blankly defended both Hu Tao and Purple the entirety of the game. Hu Tao has done the same for Dragon.

Emphasis on the blankly. They’ve done more this day phase, at least Dragon has.

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Is it Hu Tao and Geraint? I’ve been saying they aren’t partnered because Hu Tao been light pushing there, but Geraint sheeping Hu Tao not a good look when Hu Tao is being wagoned considering Geraint was being pushed by Hu Tao.


There is the obvious HPE-Geraint aspect, like HPE was distancing from Geraint.

And I will say, Geraint is like playing very far away from me, and usually I’m the one that can defend them when they are town, so I do feel that can be scum indicative.

I think it’s becoming more and more likely that this is Hu Tao/Geraint

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Ha, you DID mention that, didn't you.

*stares*

Interesting that HPE was leading this slot's wagon earlier.

How likely is it that one of HPE's fellow monkeys were also leading this wagon?

Who else besides HPE/HT/Dragon made the attempt?

I spent a long time pushing CW as a policy that could be scum. If you go back and look, you’ll see why i was fine with that, but they fought against it.

Then I became conf town and CW pushed Dragon/Hu Tao, and i stopped pushing them.

So I would say I was the main one pushing CW, and I thought it was super weird they started AFTER i stopped.

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Anyway

Nurse being obvtown makes me feel worse about other slots

But here's the cool part: because I am town and not scum I am not going to randomly vote gera or Hu Tao, I am going to think about it and come back to you with an answer.

Are you hesitant on voting Hu Tao?

Is that... fear?

They’re more than hesitant.

They’ve blankly defended both Hu Tao and Purple the entirety of the game. Hu Tao has done the same for Dragon.

Emphasis on the blankly. They’ve done more this day phase, at least Dragon has.

You're saying Dragon defended HT and Purple the entire game, and HT defended Dragon?

Who did HPE defend or attack this game?

Eh, not many.

However, Kyouko on Day 2 called out and pushed HPE before they went down and said that 1 of HPE and Pav were scum, and then noticed HPE had the same read progression on Kyouko and Pav, which helps Pav, I feel.

I spent a lot of time trying to get HPE to give me reads, but when Dragon asked for it, that was really the only time HPE was happy to give reads, which was weird considering I was the conf town.

So I would say HPE was closest with Hu Tao and Dragon.

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Is it Hu Tao and Geraint? I’ve been saying they aren’t partnered because Hu Tao been light pushing there, but Geraint sheeping Hu Tao not a good look when Hu Tao is being wagoned considering Geraint was being pushed by Hu Tao.


There is the obvious HPE-Geraint aspect, like HPE was distancing from Geraint.

And I will say, Geraint is like playing very far away from me, and usually I’m the one that can defend them when they are town, so I do feel that can be scum indicative.

I think it’s becoming more and more likely that this is Hu Tao/Geraint

Light-pushing could very easily just be for show.

I agree.

I’ll quote some posts with HPE you can look at from Day 3

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Honestly putting this here for now gera's pretty fucking stinky this game VOTE: geraintm

I had no info to go on

hey its this excuse again

last time you said it you had 46.5 pages to work with

I had no info to go on

hey its this excuse again

We had a series of votes on a townie on day 1 which doesn't mean anything. I planned on day 2 to not get involved in the inevitable terrible elimination, but there wasn't anything concrete to go on then to find scum. Maybe now the 2 wagons can be looked at, but I ain't doing that tonight

sooooo helpful

HPE laying it on thick like that while trying to push Geraint the way they are almost looks like intentional connecting between Geraint slot.

This one is just calling a dogshit slot as it sees it, rather than immediately drawing conclusions. Like idk how trustworthy you are anymore considering you have the same air of confidence you had when you led two wagons on town and shot another.

I was calling this one out as scum distancing knowing they were going down all day 3, and it started to feel almost too much, like HPE wanted us to go on Geraint, but I’m probably thinking too much into it.

HPE was so aggro towards me on D3

It also feels like that one could be upset with a scum partner Geraint not doing much.

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And ... you're TRing Dragon again. Jesus Christ you give me whiplash sometimes dude

My theory is that FL is incompletely unreliable in terms of reads atp and is only good for shooting (which who knows if that's even going to happen again) and, like he said, the way others played around the fact he was confirmed vig.

This actually implies i was getting close to a solve.

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HPE using a lot of unconfirmed reaction test reads to try and bush bad reads and ignoring the fact they actively pushed both of the misfades as scum

Remember, Lap wagon gained momentum in counter to an HPE wagon Day 1 too.

And Kyouko ended up scum reading HPE, and Kyouko flipped town.

I hate that it’s in this position because I made this call in BTXVII and it was wrong
Can you point out anything I’m overlooking that’s different between this and that?

Gamma was defending HPE and pushing Pav at the time.

It could be Gamma/Geraint, but i think Geraint is starting to look like obv scum.

They helped Lap wagon as well.

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Issue is, if it is Geraint/Hu Tao, and I end up dying, I don’t expect Dragon to let Hu Tao go down.

My main issue with going Geraint.

I think it is Geraint/Hu Tao as of this moment, but maybe Geraint/Gamma as a backup.

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Do you even have a read on me HPE, or are you just saying this to discredit Flavor?

Also do you have a read on Hu Tao?

This one's had you as solid town for a while, partly because its a little wary of jumping to conclusions about you and forming a bad scumread like it has in a past few games. HT is still null and considering the circumstances that makes her closer to a scumlean because actually not being able to read her is terrifying?

Lowkey gera/pav/HT scumteam seems viable but it doesn't wanna overlook slots like you and purple either.

This one distancing.

I really do feel it’s likely Geraint/Hu Tao.

Hu Tao will bus Geraint too

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VOTE: Hu Tao

Let’s just go Hu Tao first, then I’ll Vig Geraint, Dragon jails me.

This way if they block Dragon to kill me, Geraint dies.

I don’t think Dragon should go for inno’s if Hu Tao is scum.

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I think yeeting HPE and vigging Gera/Pav probably won't go too wrong.

VOTE: hpe

Yeah, i think Hu Tao bussed.

While they were leaning towards it, Hu Tao waited until Drsgon made the comment to put the nail in the coffin.

I think Hu Tao’s vote ended the day (not literally, but it brought us to that) meaning i think this is when scum crossed the line of “yeah, let’s bus”

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Gamma, Pav, Flavor, RN are on Hu Tao
Hu Tao, Dragon, Geraint are on Pav

Purple is unvoted, I believe.

There are 6 town, 2 scum remaining. I think dragon and purple are the townies off of Hu Tao here, which makes sense.

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I would prefer Hu Tao over Geraint here still based on the likelihood scum is in there, that I don’t think without me in the game, it ever goes through.

Everybody else has been able to come in and town it up when they post, i don’t think Hu Tao has done that.

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If you were confirmed Town I'd be defending you as if you were holding my lunchbox.

im conf town and you tried to find any little way it could be wrong.

I dont see scum motivation in Pav unvoting the way he has. If anything, they have been doing exactly what you are saying you should solve with, but it's also fair to not end day prematurely by random vote. Purple could easily come in and hammer if Hu is E-1, or even a Geraint flip.

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or a Dragon scum flip on Hu Tao, then kill to make the gamestate fit their liking, so there's plenty of pro solving in what Pav did, and id argue they have been using their vote in that way

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I love Nurse's entrance into the game btw

As either alignment

this isn't RN's scum game unless they drastically changed their scum game.

I have a lot of experience with him both recently and a long time ago.

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i also dont think it makes sense for CW to lurk out like that as scum if Hu Tao was that close to fade. + HPE going after CW is good for the slot

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If you were confirmed Town I'd be defending you as if you were holding my lunchbox.

im conf town and you tried to find any little way it could be wrong.

I dont see scum motivation in Pav unvoting the way he has. If anything, they have been doing exactly what you are saying you should solve with, but it's also fair to not end day prematurely by random vote. Purple could easily come in and hammer if Hu is E-1, or even a Geraint flip.

I'm trying to CONFIRM that you're confirmed Town.

Do you have any idea how many times people have told me they're confirmed Town when they weren't?

Yeah, but that's people who don't have proof.

I got proof in the pudding by looking at a claims list, and then the night flips. The only night flips in the game, might I add.

Really is you trying to confirm 2+2=4.

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and by all means, if ya gotta do it, gotta do it.

I'm a doer, not a teacher, though. so do what ya gotta do

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Hu Tao/Purple is one of my main solves. That is a good reasoning for it since it's their only one.

I did see some anti-HPE/Purple association that idk if they'd be able to fake together.

Hu Tao voting HPE looks like a bus acceptance, though

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From my perspective CW is a textbook example of a Town Lurker, and why we DON'T lim all lurkers.

and this is textbook showing how you misundertood the entire lurker group thing.

nobody was claiming to fade someone who was lurking for lurking.

And CW posted A LOT at times, just not recently.

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@Purple - join Hu tao with us.

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I’m less concerned about why why are you scum and more concerned about the why are you town?

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yeah, but pav is obv town.

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yeah, but pav is obv town.

To you

yeah cuz im also town

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By play, you could say you are defending Purple and Hu Tao.

Say Pav is conf town, who’s scum, Geraint?

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VOTE: Geraint

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hu tao, you town?

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Maybe Geraint and Gamma but idk.

this is where im at right now, fwiw.

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im also willing to consider cw.

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Maybe Geraint and Gamma but idk.

this is where im at right now, fwiw.

its odd that our views are so divergent this game.

So I've been pushing Hu Tao/Dragon/Purple for so long as having scum in them.

Now leaning Gamma/Geraint, the only people I haven't is Pav/CW

iis that the divergent youre talking about?

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I’m in a situation where if Dragon is scum, I’d feel so vindicated this game

And if he’s town and i fade him, I’d feel so bad

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Pav why is Dragon voting for you if he jailed FL twice in a row and there were no kills?

I’m conf town

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Dragon would have no killed two nights in a row if scum here

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Pav why is Dragon voting for you if he jailed FL twice in a row and there were no kills?

I’m conf town

Why?

Confirmed uncountered vig kill Night 1

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Only night we’ve had kills.

Night 2 I was shooting at HPE, Dragon blocked me. No kill, implied I was shot at unless he no kill gambited.

Into Day 3, I called out DragonEater as a JK blocking me prior to them claiming it, meaning I saw the gambit potential ahead of time.

We end up going HPE, flipping scum.

Same thing happens next night, no kill, my vig kill didn’t go off, Dragon claimed to have jailed me again.

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Imo, they all have association tells with HPE with the exception of maybe Random Nurse (previously CW)

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139 is pinging me. Specifically, Dragon mentioning that HPE has three scum posts already, while also calling Hu town when she hadn't even done anything at that point. Seems like an informed perspective

VOTE: Dragon

That has been Dragon with Hu Tao the whole game. They did it with Purple as well.

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Dragon also bussed his teammate gob D1 in that game. Doesn't look like he did that hear but based on the one post I read of his it seems like he could have been setting up a bus position with his HPE read

I actually specifically called Dragon for bussing HPE earlier, both on Day 1 when he moved off of HPE when it gained traction, and on Day 3 when he vote sat early. He stopped me from vigging HPE (he had no like true way of knowing, but like…), and by HPE’s play, that one knew they were the fade yesterday.

So it’s like…not impossible.

I do unfortunately see a lot of similarities in the two games…

And I absolutely hate that 2 shot JK was the claim in both games.

But Hu Tao and Geraint were both in that game as well, so weird play if scum.

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All these fools would kill me twice in a row when I really think about it

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This sucks because Black is vindicating my entire game with her posts here.

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BTW

Flavor, the reason I haven't been very excited to sheep you onto Hu Tao has to do with seeing you try to push town!Tao in the other game. So with no disrespect meant, I am aware of the possibility that you have a wrong meta read on her.

I am confidently town reading Hu Tao right now

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This is the bad place

Pav, i see it now.

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Is that a recent development Flavor? I've been waiting on somebody to tell me if my recent reason to town read Hu Tao is crazy

I think I was right with Gamma/Geraint a second ago, and that explains the stall in the game since Gamma been gone.

I also did have a disconnect with Gamma that I don’t usually have, but Gamma also knows how to work me, whereas Black isn’t familiar with how to work TownFlavor.

I just see all the reasons for why Dragon is mech and objectively scum, and in my heart, I just don’t believe it.

Like all these posts Black is making, I made at some point in the game—I see them.

I even see similarities in the game Black linked, and I just don’t feel like it’s Dragon here either.

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Gamma going after Pav earlier until realizing she could possibly get out the Dragon/Hu Tao blank wall town core along with my read on Hu Tao does look like Gamma was the leading scum.

And it also fits with why Geraint is going Pav.

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Who are your scumreads FL?

I have pushed everybody except Pav and CW (Random) this day phase.

I have said I believe there to be 1 scum in Dragon/Hu Tao/Purple all day phase, and kinda held up the game to get there.

Dragon was my main push for the day, and I kind of settled into Hu Tao, with a side order here and there of Purple.

We got into a big lull after Gamma left, and I felt like compromising to Geraint. Right before you replaced in, I started to lean Gamma/Geraint.

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Yeah, 3 scum.

And Geraint hasn’t really done much, and that’s kinda the thing.

They also limiting their push to Pav.

And HPE, day that one knew they were going down, spam pushed Geraint too hard, so either distancing or trying to act like it was distancing.

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I’m kind of feeling like Black is the play today, if scum, go Geraint, if town, go Dragon tomorrow.

Something feels weird.

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For what it’s worth, I was feeling this before Black replaced in, at least heading that way.

Black’s played well, but they’re not familiar with me in that way, and I think Gamma knowing how to ebb and flow with me as scum makes a lot of sense here.

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I’m kind of feeling like Black is the play today, if scum, go Geraint, if town, go Dragon tomorrow.

Something feels weird.

Why was Gamma scummy fypov?

I don’t really have any strong reasons.

I was defending Gamma most of this game.

But it really is coming down to, I am pretty confidently starting to town read Hu Tao, and I’ve town read Pav all game.

And those are Gamma’s pushes. To be fair, I think they sheeped me on Hu Tao.

And it’s the fact the game slowed tremendously when Gamma left, meaning scum lost their wolf leader (i think they lost it with HPE since Gamma also replaced in)

On top of that, while town reading Hu Tao like I am, I kind of trust her gut read on Joyboy more now, the original slot holder.

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It feels kinda strange that I seem to be unknowingly tapping into your thought process and yet you don't consider that a sign that I have a town perspective

It does feel strange. I’m not ready to commit to anything yet.

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There’s an intangible that Dragon has this game that is really hard to fake as scum, and while mechanically and objectively it does look like scum, if Gamma was scum, it does make sense, and it’s really starting to become a POE thing.

On top of that, you tapping into my mindset subconsciously, with the idea Gamma could have been hoping that they could warlock me and have me lead her to victory makes a lot of sense to me now too, Gamma just knew how to warlock me into it.

Whereas you are comfortable enough to do it yourself.

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@Pav - do you feel what I’m saying about the intangible with Dragon?

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BTW

Flavor, the reason I haven't been very excited to sheep you onto Hu Tao has to do with seeing you try to push town!Tao in the other game. So with no disrespect meant, I am aware of the possibility that you have a wrong meta read on her.

That game helped me town read Hu Tao too, so I do get this, and understand your read throughout this game.

Gamma was doing the same thing Bingle was doing and trying to not let Hu Tao-FL from town reading each other.

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I think that last game was the first time Hu Tao and I lost as town/town together.

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Gamma is Bingle this game, Hu Tao.

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Hu Tao

Dragon
Purple
CW
Pav

Geraint

Black

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eh, Dragon claimed JK here before this game started, and somehow claimed the same role.

That is so like...ugh.

that being said, Dragon isn't actually 2-shot here.

A Roleblocker and a Juggernaut on scum team makes sense against Cop, Vig, JK. Thomith might have been juggernaut'd Night 1 which explains why I didn't get hit.

HPE also probably felt pressure from me, and wanted to kill me in addition to my conf town.


oi...i repeat, this game is the bad place.

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Flavor did you consider Hu Tao miscounting votes a couple days ago and thinking she was limmed? I keep going in circles on whether that's faked or not. Like it's not hard to fake, but I dunno if Hu Tao does it (she claims she never has)

AND NOBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IT

Except Hu Tao of course, which isn't the help I want

no, but Hu Tao does dumb tell a lot as town. I remember their reaction to a night kill being really bad too, but I think that's how Hu Tao acts. Their unvote of Kyouko fits that as well.

I also know Hu Tao to bus as scum pretty obviously when she knows a partner is going down, and I think she's off of the HPE wagon.

I just misfaded a town Hu Tao in elo after feeling they were scum all game.

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I’m in a middle ground where it’s either a really good sign Black paired up with my Hu Tao/Dragon from before or a really bad sign.

Hu Tao/Dragon have been unnaturally linked like that since early game, and a lot of times it felt too much to be S/S, but i have thought about the ‘do they do that as scum here?’

UNVOTE: Geraint

I gotta take some time to think

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I spent like 3 days trying to get either of them to explain a single reason for town reading the other, and I didn’t get anything until like Dragon post-Black replace in. (It did line up with a completed game ending that also helped me think Hu Tao was town, though)

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I’m in a middle ground where it’s either a really good sign Black paired up with my Hu Tao/Dragon from before or a really bad sign.

Hu Tao/Dragon have been unnaturally linked like that since early game, and a lot of times it felt too much to be S/S, but i have thought about the ‘do they do that as scum here?’

UNVOTE: Geraint

I gotta take some time to think

I am fairly certain if I was scum you would have got that from me by now. The fact you haven't means (to me) that you know I am not and are just confused

I kinda like this

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Where you leaning Pav?

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I don’t think I see Purple Scum.

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Maybe I do. They hammered HPE as their only vote, right?

Hmm.

My issue with Purple right now is that I still think Dragon could be the partner, so a Purple scum flip leaves us in Dragon vs Black.

I think I’m leaning fading Black, shooting Purple, Dragon jails me.

If I die AND a kill goes through, Dragon is scum.

I think forcing scum to kill in Dragon/Hu Tao/Geraint/Pav/CW will give us a lot.

Worst case scenario, you go into tomorrow 4-2 without Black and I in the game.

Damn, that’s not good if Dragon is scum.

Damn. This is tough.

I think Dragon jails me, if I die and a kill doesn’t go through, then it’s always Dragon.

I think we go Black for info/higher chance of being scum.

If Black is scum, Black replaced into a scum slot and is admirable for the work they put in this deep in the game.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t think I see Purple Scum.

I mean I'm still kind of under the assumption we've got 1 lurker and 1 active scummo, which meant one of cw/Nurse, Purple, Gera and one of Hu Tao, Dragon, Gamma

I think Purple is the most likely out of Nurse/Purple/Gera set

I can unfortunately see a Gamma/Pav world, and that seems to be my only blind spot with you.

It could be Gamma/Purpls, Gamma/Geraint, i just think going Purple isn’t the play here. They’re not super active, i don’t think they can talk their way out of it if they are the last scum.

VOTE: Black

I’m leaning here.

If she’s town, I’m shooting Dragon, so that basically means I always live and get jailed. Don’t think scum have Juggernaut shot still or they’d have used. I’m betting they used on Thomith.

HPE/Joyboy/Purple team. I may look back and see if that doesn’t work

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, but we’re screwed if Purple flips town and in the same position basically as today.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t think you did over CW.

[Flavor Leaf]

Die*

[Flavor Leaf]

The vote on me after i claimed Vig was kinda weird, especially after hard sheeping nonstop day 1.

Their attitude towards me this entire game has been weird, but it almost feels TOO much if scum.

Like Bingle I at least had doubt with in that last game here and there despite feeling it was too much, this was straight on too much by Dragon. Even if they end up being scum, i don’t think that plan worked for them.

But the day Hu Tao/Dragon/FL lined up, we did hit scum, and maybe that means something.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm kinda leaning Black/Pav right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

would really prefer not Purple or Geraint today.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor don't do me like that, not after everything we've been thru

i think that's why Black is my choice here. it accomplishes a lot, they just replaced in, it's not their game to lose. My flip on Hu Tao makes me believe Gamma was scum, and i think that's a big reason i think i want the Gamma slot today.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor don't do me like that, not after everything we've been thru

you're right. i need to trust the town read on you.

I think you can be right with Purple. I think i just gotta vote Black here today.

[Flavor Leaf]

I fake claimed Vig in Dragon’s LN, and rolled Vig here, so it’s kinda funny if that happened to Drag too

[Flavor Leaf]

Been there all game, Black.

[Flavor Leaf]

Something I’ve had with Hu Tao/Dragon and their low level of reasoning for their strong town reads on each other, is it would have been much easier to just give any reason at all other than that single one they’ve been given as scum. They took loads of heat for it throughout this game, and i just dunno if i believe that scum/scum wouldn’t come up with some reason.

I had been operating most of the game that one scum was in there and the other pocketed.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Dragon - I just kinda have a soul town read on Hu Tao.

And the fact I can’t explain more of that….sounds very familiar.

And the fact i also see some type of intangible with you that I have a hard time coming from scum DESPITE thinking a lot of your stuff is scummy, i don’t really think you’d make a lot of that stuff as scum.

One no kill makes sense to help give credit to a JK claim.

Two is A LOT to do, but 2nd no kill still didn’t add an extra day, so sure.

But there is an intangible Dragon’s had this game. And for Dragon to be scum, it would require a pretty high level of scum play, and I was originally giving Dragon the benefit of the doubt that they could be there, and then I saw the scum game Black linked and Black pointing out similarities.

I think it’s admirable of Black to put this effort in, but I do think Black inherently is pushing a scum agenda in a way that makes sense to do in the given gamestate.

With Gamma, Gamma and I have been playing together almost a decade, I’ve been scum who burned her many a time.

I convinced her to vote a role cop confirmed Miller in 3p ELO to win a scum game. I’ve misfaded her as scum.

She’s correctly called me out as scum multiple times.

While it’s a big project for her, after she went away, her voice and pressure stopped being able to affect me so much.

This is exactly what it was like with Bingle in Classic Commercials. I would catch them, make a big case, then they come in to patch the holes and actively ease my paranoia on them.

Gamma started to do the same, not as obviously, but she’s not as logical a player as Bingle is. Bingle uses logic and plays a logical town as scum, apparently with some AtE.

Gamma coming in pushing Pav makes sense in a world where she thinks I’m town reading Dragon/Hu Tao.

But then she switched to Hu Tao because I was pushing in the 3.

I think Pav could be correct that it’s Purple here as well, so Joyboy (Gamma-Black)/Purple/HPE makes a lot of sense to me.

I’m not 100% sure that Geraint or Pav isn’t scum here right now. HPE talked about how that one would never be scum with CW, and then Gamma reinforced that idea. So it’s not ‘impossible’ it’s there either for me right now, but I think they were being genuine with that too.

[Flavor Leaf]

I can’t vote Pav today.

We’ve been through too much, and I gotta trust my gut there right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

As scum he could have just blocked and killed flavor and claimed something else to not have spotlight on him.

What do you mean he could have blocked FL if he were scum?

Scum are confirmed to have a blocker because N1 Dragon claimed they were blocked. If they’re town, they’re telling the truth.

N2 my vig shot on HPE didn’t go off, and there was no kill. So i was targeted at least for a block, and then they chose to No Kill if so.

N3, no vig shot, and no kill.

[Flavor Leaf]

Gambiting in good situations > gambiting in bad situations.

[Flavor Leaf]

If Dragon was scum he would have no reason to no kill 3 nights in a row, especially when no one was sus of him

Do you think this is exclusive to Dragon or do you think there are other players that would no-kill?

I could see flavor doing it as like a gambit if he was in a bad situation and had to as scum. But most players wouldn't.

I'm curious why you seem to think Dragon wouldn't no kill as scum when he did it twice in Flavorless Hell. It wasn't really the optimal play there either and the only person that really suspected him was you

HE DID IT TWICE THERE AND HERE.

Okay, we are living in a Dragon or Black scum world.

Tinfoil: we’re living in a Dragon AND Black scum world.

[Flavor Leaf]

How to tell you’ve never seen a TownFlavor for 500.

[Flavor Leaf]

The amount of times I’ve gone from saying Dragon is conf scum to saying they’re lock town, i don’t think i can count on one hand.

[Flavor Leaf]

Here’s my idea:

Fade Black. Dragon jails me either way. If she’s town, fade Dragon.

If she’s scum, same thing.

Let’s go Black->Dragon.

If Dragon is ever blocked to get me killed, i will get a vig shot.

[Flavor Leaf]

How to tell you’ve never seen a TownFlavor for 500.

To be clear I think town!you would be all over the place. It reminds me of town!me

Gamma actually did say something about how you were all over the place and it made it incredibly difficult for scum to manage.

[Flavor Leaf]

If this game is Geraint/Purple scum team, this is silly.

But like, funny still.

[Flavor Leaf]

It really makes me feel some type of way that Black came in here pushing the exact same things I was pushing

How long until deadline? I need to reset.

[Flavor Leaf]

Kill Dragon if Black is town.

[Flavor Leaf]

vote black, purple.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor it'd be nice if you answer questions such as "should I jail you" or "why does my alignmwnt somehow relate to Black's"

eh dont feel like it.

done with this day phase. you should probs jail me.

Geraint/Black looking so likely LOL

[Flavor Leaf]

Fade Black, jail me, ill vig at Geraint in case they end up roleblocking Dragon.

[Flavor Leaf]

Geraint voting alongside their main scum read Pav is baaaaaaaad. Purely a saving Black vote.

[Flavor Leaf]

If you convince Flavor to vote Pav I'll vote Pav.

Why are you still sheeping Flavor around? I think it's obvious just from the last several pages that his reads can't be trusted

Fwiw, this is exactly what Maestro said when I caught them

[Flavor Leaf]

And Dragon, why are you trying to make to deals to move off Black when the Black wagon is only You, me, and Hu Tao, the 3 people you have tried to have coming together the whole game, onto one of YOUR wagons you wanted from earlier that I had originally had zero interest in?

[Flavor Leaf]

Eh I’ve caught scum already at another point this day phase.

This day was done before you got here

[Flavor Leaf]

It's pretty annoying how you just post short sentences all the time

Facts. But that's NAI with them.

I spent a whole day phase once begging them to give me reasons, any reason at all for why Firebringer was scum because I could see it as a possibility, and they straight up wouldn't.

[Flavor Leaf]

they were a mason there.

[Flavor Leaf]

Pav can ya just sheep and go next day. purple/geraint's a waste for today. we need a high profile or else it's just the same thing tomorrow

[Flavor Leaf]

if you think Dragon, Hu, and I are town, you need to sheep us today.

Cuz right now, I'm starting to think it's Pav/Black because of it, and I'm almost at the point of compromising for info.

[Flavor Leaf]

im trying hard, but you gotta work with us too. Geraint/Purple are bad fades for the day

[Flavor Leaf]

Once I'm faded FL is going to try to get you all to fade Dragon tomorrow

Do not do this

yeah, the tone deaf in this is really not a good look.

Acting like I haven't been actively looking into every single slot in the game every single day phase.

[Flavor Leaf]

Once I'm faded FL is going to try to get you all to fade Dragon tomorrow

Do not do this

yeah, the tone deaf in this is really not a good look.

Acting like I haven't been actively looking into every single slot in the game every single day phase.

I don't really care if you think it looks good or not. I think you are wrong about Dragon and I don't think you should be leading the town

You think Dragon's scum?

I'm hard town reading Dragon right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

And when Dragon/Hu/Myself lined up last time, we hit scum.

I had hit them the night before with my vig, but somebody had to stop my kill, but we got it anyways.

[Flavor Leaf]

Here’s my idea:

Fade Black. Dragon jails me either way. If she’s town, fade Dragon.

If she’s scum, same thing.

Let’s go Black->Dragon.

If Dragon is ever blocked to get me killed, i will get a vig shot.

Kill Dragon if Black is town.

Weird plan to try and push through if you are hard townreading Dragon

You act like I was gonna stand by that

[Flavor Leaf]

And when Dragon/Hu/Myself lined up last time, we hit scum.

I had hit them the night before with my vig, but somebody had to stop my kill, but we got it anyways.

What is your theory about no one dying two nights in a row?

Eh, at times I thought Dragon was blocking my kill, and then No Killing to give him credit

but Occam's Razor is scum just failed killing me the first time, and thought they were free the second time.

[Flavor Leaf]

There's really only 3 possibilities for it--DragonScum did the nokill JK gambit, Scum shot at me, or ScumGamma/Pav no killed to make it seem scum shot at me.

[Flavor Leaf]

*eats popcorn*

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm VT

Have fun following Flavor to a loss townies

if they followed me, we would have been on Hu Tao a long ass time ago.

The fact your slot got faded specifically means they aren't following me tbh

[Flavor Leaf]

if anything, im following Hu Tao/Dragon here.

[Flavor Leaf]

I placed my stake into this day phase that the only fades i'd accept were Dragon/Hu Tao/Purple.

I compromised with Black, and I'm standing by following Dragon/Hu Tao.

While I see the case on Pav, I cannot bring myself to vote them today. They earned that if they were scum. They deserve that if they are town.

[Flavor Leaf]

You started the wagon and actively recruited people to it. This misfade is on your hands

well, I have no issues with this.

But i may have re-started it, but this was a thing far before you got into the game.

[Flavor Leaf]

last time we misfaded, I was aimed my vig at a scum, so not too worried if it's a misfade personally

[Flavor Leaf]

alright, purple. get in here and hammer.

[Flavor Leaf]

I scum cased and town cased every slot in the game.

Black is clearly a compromise fade on my part because I actively stepped away from trusting my gut and wanted to trust in others.

If Black ends up being town here, I guess that shows I should have stood my ground.

[Flavor Leaf]

Pass the popcorn Flava

I got some sour patch kids too

[Flavor Leaf]

Fade Hu Tao tomorrow. And don't listen to FL no matter what he says, unless he says to fade Hu Tao

I spent like 3/4 of this day phase pushing to fade Hu Tao, is this real life?

[Flavor Leaf]

and I'm clearly vigging Hu Tao if Black is town, that's been in writing for a while.

[Flavor Leaf]

She did speak in a scummy way
But she also just joined, so it's a bit strange to me

we need to get out of this day phase, it's purgatory.

[Flavor Leaf]

it's purgatory for sure, but at least we're here with friends.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Black - quick question, though

how did you expect Hu Tao to be faded today?

At most, we only ever got 4 votes, Pav, Gamma, CW, Myself.

Geraint, Purple, and Dragon were never voting there. Hu Tao was literally impossible to fade today.

[Flavor Leaf]

Sometimes you gotta fade a townie to fade a scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

And with that, I believe my solve of Hu Tao/Purple to be correct.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ah ha, I see what you're doing there

No, I think there's a decent chance you flip green but we're getting nowhere

^

[Flavor Leaf]

Still think there's a chance they flip scum, and if so, they gave me the credit for catching them in your face, Dragon.

But I stand by that Black has been a compromise wagon.

It was necessary for Dragon to possibly turn on Hu Tao, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Black - quick question, though

how did you expect Hu Tao to be faded today?

At most, we only ever got 4 votes, Pav, Gamma, CW, Myself.

Geraint, Purple, and Dragon were never voting there. Hu Tao was literally impossible to fade today.

Fucking this, every wagon hits a wall of "I'm never voting there"

actual torture. lol

and you and I were living in it.

I'm okay being in a Pav pocket this game. It is what it is.

[Flavor Leaf]

Black is a bit overreacting, though, especially since they just replaced in.

But I do think my Purple/Hu Tao solve is correct.

[Flavor Leaf]

I dont think we win this, but i was done with this day phase like before Black came in.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ah ha, I see what you're doing there

No, I think there's a decent chance you flip green but we're getting nowhere

What the fuck???

FADE THIS AFTER HU

Black you feel the pain of this game for three days

I've been in it for a month

The pain is real

We were saving you from this, Black. I hope you see that in time how absolutely delirious we are here

[Flavor Leaf]

Black is a bit overreacting, though, especially since

they

just replaced in.

But I do think my Purple/Hu Tao solve is correct.

she*

[Flavor Leaf]

I dont think we win this, but i was done with this day phase like before Black came in.

The loss will be on you, brah

Should I not vote for my Hu Tao/Purple solve?

[Flavor Leaf]

Frankly, if Hu Tao is scum, DragonEater hard defending them as much as they did is way worse than anything I could do this game

[Flavor Leaf]

and if Dragon/Hu Tao are scum together, they won by tiring us out so much.

there's really not a scenario where im gonna feel bad if town lose here unless it's Geraint/Purple.

[Flavor Leaf]

There's gotta be a way FL is scum here. Something mechanical that everyone is overlooking. Feels too agenda driven

I just don't think you have the scope of the game, and where we are at on a mental, physical, and emotional level here.

See how hard you pushed Hu Tao?

I was doing that for a month.

[Flavor Leaf]

and if Dragon/Hu Tao are scum together, they won by tiring us out so much.

there's really not a scenario where im gonna feel bad if town lose here unless it's Geraint/Purple.

Either of these scenarios will have me blind with rage

I dont see how anyone could think I'm leading this day phase.

i was literally all over the place, where was i leading people to

[Flavor Leaf]

There's gotta be a way FL is scum here. Something mechanical that everyone is overlooking. Feels too agenda driven

I just don't think you have the scope of the game, and where we are at on a mental, physical, and emotional level here.

See how hard you pushed Hu Tao?

I was doing that for a month.

Which makes the fact that you didn't even bat an eye when I was pushing her even weirder

eh, you joined the game at an unfortunate time when a game just ended where I swore Hu Tao was scum, had done it all game. Locked down the other 2 scum, and thought Hu Tao was 3rd, and they were town.

So in addition to that plus the fortitude here, i may have physically been in this game while you were here, but the brain had shut off, and i was done with this day phase before you got here.

if you are town, you prove my pushes correct, and I'll fight there if I'm alive.

But I think somehow, I still end up dying tonight.

@Dragon - Jail me, if you got roleblocked, I get a vig shot.

[Flavor Leaf]

and if Dragon/Hu Tao are scum together, they won by tiring us out so much.

there's really not a scenario where im gonna feel bad if town lose here unless it's Geraint/Purple.

Either of these scenarios will have me blind with rage

I dont see how anyone could think I'm leading this day phase.

i was literally all over the place, where was i leading people to

You literally led them to misfade me

they were pushing you and pav before you got into the game, Black.

i feel like you clearly just dont know this gamestate.

It was Pav and Me versus Dragon and Hu Tao for the longest time. Gamma was on both sides of it.

I actively stated I would only go Dragon/Hu Tao/Purple this day phase.

And I didn't have it in my to iron hand that. I compromised.

I cased you, yeah, but i cased everyone this day phase. i pushed everyone this day phase.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL if you are town then you dropped the ball here. Plain and simple

and frankly, im okay with that.

my back gave out here.

a town you flip vindicates my original reads, and I'm okay with that too.

[Flavor Leaf]

And you still dont seem to understand that it was basically impossible to get any other fade here today besides maybe Purple.

emphasis on maybe.

[Flavor Leaf]

A Black town flip gives so much weight to my pushes here, and thats the best we were gonna get this day phase.

[Flavor Leaf]

maybe youll understand that eventually

[Flavor Leaf]

i am pocketed by Pav if im wrong, and im probably gonna stay in that pocket. it is accepted.

[Flavor Leaf]

Having an even number also made this day phase quite difficult

If no bussing, all but one town have to agree. And given the vibe of this lobby I dunno if that ever happens

purple and RN's votes not in play either most of the time.

[Flavor Leaf]

Deuces black, and good on you for the rep in, at least you juiced the game up

[Flavor Leaf]

is it bad i kinda hope Black's town? like a scum flip is GREAT, but if Black is town, it shows I was probably on the right track this day phase.

I think that will really get my spirit back in this game, cuz i have been on autopilot since before Black showed up.

[Flavor Leaf]

i am pocketed by Pav if im wrong, and im probably gonna stay in that pocket. it is accepted.

I have plenty of snacks in my pocket, you'll be fine in there.

I wish I were scum here so I could claim pocketing you, but alas

im gonna die tonight and youre gonna get misfaded

i can feel it

[Flavor Leaf]

her flip is necessary to get Hu Tao Scum, though. There werent enough votes to get Hu Tao.

[Flavor Leaf]

god, i hope Black's scum, lol

[Flavor Leaf]

im not feeling they are right now, though

[Flavor Leaf]

Then this is the end of Act 2.

The final confrontation comes next.

The true villains there all along.

[Flavor Leaf]

Thank goodness

I was being paranoid on RN slot ngl

[Flavor Leaf]

Honestly, borderline willing to lose the game if the team isn’t Purple/Geraint at this point.

Don’t really wanna misfade Hu Tao again in ELO.

Pav pocketed me too hard all game, and Dragon just put so much effort into the game throughout and i feel an intangible.

I also feel like

As scum, performances I would rank postgame if I find out they were scum ranked in order:

Dragon, hands down would be the best scum game, took so many risks, took so many pushes, and still turned it aside. Also had to pull a double night kill.

Pav, just pockets me by tone every time, and I’m weak to buddying like that.

Hu Tao, just stood behind Dragon all game, but they would have had to have Dragon sold to do that. If it’s Dragon/Hu Tao, it’s the same thing.

Purple, well, they hammered HPE, and gave very little struggle to the game, them and Geraint are epitome of scum sitting back and letting them destroy themselves.

Geraint would be last because I think their Pav and Purple votes have been so scummy, but end of the day, i think they could still be right if they’re town somehow?

We’re in a weird situation.

I think it most likely does have one of Purple/Geraint in the team, though, if it’s like Pav/Hu Tao fuck me, i called that on Day 2.

Which ya know what, i did that in the last game I lost too.

[Flavor Leaf]

RN kill does lean towards scum in Hu Tao/Dragon, though

[Flavor Leaf]

Wanna fade Hu Tao and blame it on Black if they’re town?

[Flavor Leaf]

Wanna fade Hu Tao and blame it on Black if they’re town?

Not blaming a damn thing on Black for at least 24 hours, we did her dirty

nah, a misfade late in the game isn't doing someone dirty, especially after the day we had yesterday. More of a testament to scum team.

-1 to Pav.

[Flavor Leaf]

Pavowski	0		Started at +1 thanks to the game we've had.
Hu Tao	-1		Been thinking they were scum a lot of the game, Black Town flip puts them at a -1 here.
DragonEater	+1		There's a lot of things that have to be true for Dragon to be scum, and I just don't believe they're all happening. An Intangible and amount of effort puts them +1.
PurpleHeart	-1		2 Votes this game. 2 Hammers. Sitting in back.
Geraint	-1		Sussed out Pavowski/Purple. Have seen some town stuff, but the way they vote is possible to protect a partner, not positive, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

Day 1

Spoiler:

1.1

DragonEater70 (1)

- geraintm

Flavor Leaf (1)

- Pavowski

Hu Tao (1)

-

Thomith

Not Voting (10)

-

Abnegation

,

cw357

, DragonEater70,

Flavor Leaf

,

HighPrincessErinys

, Hu Tao,

Laplacian

,

Gamma Emerald

, Purplemango,

ssbm_Kyouko

1.2

Flavor Leaf (3)

- Pavowski,

Flavor Leaf

,

cw357

Pavowski (2) -

Thomith

,

Laplacian

Abnegation (1)

-

Abnegation

DragonEater70 (1)

- geraintm

Laplacian (1)

-

ssbm_Kyouko

Not Voting (5)

- DragonEater70,

HighPrincessErinys

, Hu Tao,

Gamma Emerald

, Purplemango

1.3

Laplacian (4)

-

ssbm_kyouko

,

Abnegation

, Pavowski,

HighPrincessErinys

Flavor Leaf (2)

-

Flavor Leaf

,

cw357

Abnegation (1)

-

Laplacian

cw357

(1)

-

Gamma Emerald

DragonEater70 (1)

- geraintm

HighPrincessErinys

(1)

- DragonEater70

Not Voting (3)

- Hu Tao, Purplemango,

Thomith

1.4

Laplacian (5)

-

ssbm_kyouko

,

Abnegation

, Pavowski,

HighPrincessErinys

, geraintm

HighPrincessErinys

(3)

- Hu Tao,

Flavor Leaf

, DragonEater70

Flavor Leaf (1)

-

cw357

Abnegation (1)

-

Laplacian

cw357

(1)

-

Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (2)

- Purplemango,

Thomith

1.5

Laplacian (5)

-

ssbm_kyouko

,

Abnegation

, Pavowski,

HighPrincessErinys

, geraintm

Abnegation (2)

- DragonEater70,

Flavor Leaf

Gamma Emerald

(2)

-

cw357

, Hu Tao

cw357 (1)

-

Gamma Emerald

HighPrincessErinys

(1)

-

Laplacian

Not Voting (2)

- Purplemango,

Thomith

1.6

Laplacian (7)

-

ssbm_kyouko

,

Abnegation

, Pavowski,

HighPrincessErinys

, geraintm, DragonEater70,

Flavor Leaf

Gamma Emerald

(2)

-

cw357

, Hu Tao

cw357 (1)

-

Gamma Emerald

HighPrincessErinys

(1)

-

Laplacian

Not Voting (2)

- Purplemango,

Thomith

Day 2

Spoiler:

2.1

cw357

(2)

-

Flavor Leaf

,

HighPrincessErinys

Flavor Leaf

(1)

-

cw357

geraintm (1)

-

Gamma Emerald

Gamma Emerald

(1)

- Hu Tao

Pavowski (1)

- DragonEater70

Not Voting (4)

- geraintm, Pavowski, Purplemango,

ssbm_Kyouko

2.2

cw357

(4) - DragonEater70,

cw357

,

HighPrincessErinys

, Hu Tao
geraintm (1) -

Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (5) -

Flavor Leaf

, geraintm, Pavowski[, Purplemango,

ssbm_Kyouko

2.3

cw357

(3) -

cw357

,

HighPrincessErinys

, Hu Tao
geraintm (1) -

Gamma Emerald

Pavowski (1) -

ssbm_Kyouko

ssbm_Kyouko

(2) -

Flavor Leaf

, DragonEater70

Not Voting (4) - geraintm, Pavowski, Purplemango

2.4

cw357 (1) - cw357

geraintm (1) -

Gamma Emerald

Pavowski (1) -

ssbm_Kyouko

ssbm_Kyouko

(4) -

Flavor Leaf

, DragonEater70,

HighPrincessErinys

, Pavowski

Not Voting (3) - geraintm, Purplemango, Hu Tao

2.5

cw357 (1) - cw357

geraintm (1) -

Gamma Emerald

Pavowski (1) -

ssbm_Kyouko

ssbm_Kyouko (3) -

Flavor Leaf

,

HighPrincessErinys

, Pavowski

Not Voting (4) - geraintm, Purplemango, Hu Tao, DragonEater70

2.6

cw357 (1) - cw357

ssbm_Kyouko

(4) -

Flavor Leaf,

HighPrincessErinys

, Pavowski, Hu Tao

HighPrincessErinys

(1) -

ssbm_Kyouko

Not Voting (4) - geraintm, Purplemango, DragonEater70,

Gamma Emerald

2.7

ssbm_Kyouko

(4) -

Flavor Leaf

,

HighPrincessErinys

, Hu Tao,

cw357

HighPrincessErinys

(1) -

ssbm_Kyouko

cw357 (1) - Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (4) - geraintm, Purplemango, DragonEater70, Pavowski

2.8

ssbm_Kyouko

(4) -

Flavor Leaf

, HighPrincessErinys, Hu Tao,

cw357

HighPrincessErinys

(1) -

ssbm_Kyouko

Gamma Emerald

(1) - DragonEater70

Not Voting (4) - geraintm, Purplemango, Pavowski,

Gamma Emerald

2.9

ssbm_Kyouko

(5) -

Flavor Leaf

,

HighPrincessErinys

, Hu Tao, Pavowski,

cw357

Gamma Emerald (2) - DragonEater70,

ssbm_Kyouko

Not Voting (3) - geraintm, Purplemango,

Gamma Emerald

2.10

ssbm_Kyouko

(6) -

Flavor Leaf

,

HighPrincessErinys

, Pavowski, Hu Tao,

cw357, Gamma Emerald

Gamma Emerald

(2) - DragonEater70,

ssbm_Kyouko

Not Voting (3) - geraintm, Purplemango

Day 3

Spoiler:

3.1

DragonEater70 (1) -

Flavor Leaf

geraintm (1) -

HighPrincessErinys

HighPrincessErinys

(1) - DragonEater70

Not Voting (6) -

cw357, Gamma Emerald

, geraintm, Hu Tao, Pavowski, Purplemango

3.2

cw357

(1) - Pavowski
DragonEater70 (1) -

Flavor Leaf

geraintm (1) -

HighPrincessErinys

HighPrincessErinys

(1) -

DragonEater70

Pavowski (1) -

Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (4) -

cw357

, geraintm, Hu Tao, Purplemango

3.3

HighPrincessErinys

(5) - DragonEater70, Hu Tao,

Gamma Emerald

,

Flavor Leaf

, Purplemango

cw357

(1) - Pavowski
geraintm (1) -

HighPrincessErinys

Not Voting (2) -

cw357

, geraintm

Day 4

Spoiler:

4.2

Pavowski (2) -

Gamma Emerald

, DragonEater70
DragonEater70 (1) -

Flavor Leaf

geraintm (1) - Hu Tao

Not Voting (4) -

cw357

, geraintm, Pavowski, Purplemango

4.3

Pavowski (2) - DragonEater70, Flavor Leaf
DragonEater70 (2) -

Gamma Emerald, cw357

geraintm (1) - Hu Tao

Not Voting (3) - geraintm, Pavowski, Purplemango

4.4

DragonEater70 (2) -

cw357, Flavor Leaf

Pavowski (2) - DragonEater70, Hu Tao
Hu Tao (1) - geraintm
Purplemango (1) - geraintm

Not Voting (2) - Pavowski, Purplemango

4.5

Hu Tao (2) -

Gamma Emerald, Flavor Leaf

cw357

(1) - DragonEater70
DragonEater70 (1) -

cw357

Pavowski (1) - Hu Tao
Purplemango (1) - geraintm

Not Voting (2) - Pavowski, Purplemango

4.6

Hu Tao (2) -

Gamma Emerald

, Pavowski
Purplemango (2) - geraintm,

Flavor Leaf

cw357

(1) - DragonEater70
DragonEater70 (1) -

cw357

Pavowski (1) - Hu Tao

Not Voting (1) - Purplemango

4.7

DragonEater70 (2) -

cw357, Flavor Leaf

Pavowski (2) - Hu Tao, DragonEater70
Hu Tao (1) - Pavowski
Purplemango (1) - geraintm

Not Voting (2) -

Gamma Emerald

, Purplemango

4.8

Hu Tao (4) - Pavowski,

Gamma Emerald, Flavor Leaf, Random Nurse

Pavowski (2) - Hu Tao, DragonEater70
Purplemango (1) - geraintm

Not Voting (1) - Purplemango

4.9

Pavowski (3) - Hu Tao, DragonEater70, geraintm
Hu Tao (2) -

Gamma Emerald, Random Nurse

Not Voting (3) - Flavor Leaf, Pavowski, Purplemango

4.10

Pavowski (3) - Hu Tao, DragonEater70, geraintm
Hu Tao (3) -

Gamma Emerald, Random Nurse, Flavor Leaf

Not Voting (2) - Pavowski, Purplemango

4.11

Pavowski (3) - Hu Tao, DragonEater70, geraintm
Hu Tao (2) -

Gamma Emerald, Random Nurse

geraintm (1) -

Flavor Leaf

Not Voting (2) - Pavowski, Purplemango

4.12

Pavowski (2) - DragonEater70, geraintm

Black

(2) - Hu Tao,

Flavor Leaf

DragonEater70 (1) -

Black

Hu Tao (1) -

Random Nurse

Purplemango (1) - Pavowski

Not Voting (1) - Purplemango

4.13

Black

(3) - Hu Tao,

Flavor Leaf

, DragonEater70
Hu Tao (2) -

Random Nurse, Black

Purplemango (2) - Pavowski, geraintm

Not Voting (1) - Purplemango

4.14

Black

(3) - Hu Tao,

Flavor Leaf

, DragonEater70
Hu Tao (2) -

Random Nurse, Black

Purplemango (2) - Pavowski, geraintm

Not Voting (1) - Purplemango

4.15

Black (5) - Hu Tao,

Flavor Leaf

, DragonEater70, Pavowski, Purplemango
Hu Tao (2) -

Random Nurse, Black

Purplemango (1) - geraintm

Not Voting (0)

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay, if you look at the Day 4 wagons, there are multiple time periods when there are 3 Green on Hu Tao. There was 4 on Hu Tao at one point, Me, CW, and Gamma Emerald, with Pav first, and Pav unvotes.

My current solve is Hu Tao and Pav.

[Flavor Leaf]

#2

Pavowski	-2		The combination of when pressure came about and how it halted felt like it was directly from Pavowski. The game was on a giant stand still when they unvoted, but when they voted Hu Tao, Hu Tao got to 4 votes. When they voted Gamma/Black, Black got faded. Not a good look.
Hu Tao	-3		Black's flip, in addition to CW slot, makes so many of the wagons on Hu Tao all town, or all town dominated. They also fit as bussing HPE. Day 3 happening significantly faster than Day 2/4 means scum didn't fight HPE too hard, and likely are on HPE. I think this is Hu Tao over Dragon/Purple
DragonEater	+1		There's a lot of things that have to be true for Dragon to be scum, and I just don't believe they're all happening. An Intangible and amount of effort puts them +1.
PurpleHeart	0		2 Votes this game. 2 Hammers. Sitting in back. I think the differences between Even Days vs Odd don't sit right with
Geraint	-1		Sussed out Pavowski/Purple. Have seen some town stuff, but the way they vote is possible to protect a partner, not positive, though. Geraint could be just super off, but I haven't felt comfortable with them all game.
Current Solve:	Hu Tao & Pavowski

[Flavor Leaf]

It was the Double Shadow Operation, or DSO for short.

Hu Tao played shadowing Dragon. Pav played shadowing Flavor.

[Flavor Leaf]

It also explains why Dragon doesnt die in place of me.

[Flavor Leaf]

It was the Double Shadow Operation, or DSO for short.

Hu Tao played shadowing Dragon. Pav played shadowing Flavor.

Interesting

Let's kill Pav and you vig whoever you want out of Hu Tao / Purple. I won't jail you.

Imma go Hu Tao for Black

[Flavor Leaf]

Why does Pav try to go for Purple that last section of the day then? Feel like Purple easily could have gotten.

I’m really not confident in Purple being scum here, nor Pav with anyone else besides Hu Tao at this point.

[Flavor Leaf]

Convince me.

This is endgame and when you should be trying MORE to convince that is the case.

If you think that’s the solve, CONVINCE ME. If you are right, we need to come to it together.

[Flavor Leaf]

If you are judging by final vote counts,

Hu Tao hands down is the worst by far by VCA

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Hu Tao

[Flavor Leaf]

How do you look at VC 4.10 and say the scum team is Purple/Pav?

[Flavor Leaf]

-1 to DragonEater. +1 to Pav.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ll think about.

Might just sheep

[Flavor Leaf]

HPE has also had the worst reads this game, and sheeped into both wagons. Actively helped push Lap too, when Lap was obv town.

I think we go hpe today, I agree

This was hu tao really helping getting HPE eliminated, and I think they could have not done this, they didn't need to generate pressure on them and gone elsewhere (like....I for example.am always a good out when an alternative wagon is needed and instead of that they push scum).

I don't want to vote Hu toa today

HPE was always the play on Day 3, there weren’t really other major options

[Flavor Leaf]

I even vigged. And there’s confirmed a bus on that wagon basically, and that looks like a planned bus

[Flavor Leaf]

Geraint i low key been saying you’re town

What you doing.

I think it’s Hu Tao Purple or Pav Hu Tao.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m locked in.

Do what you want.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Pav

Tired.

Imo, it makes sense I’m in a pocket this game.

And when I hit scum, I was aligned with Dragon/Hu Tao.

Well done if pocket. Well done scum if Pav is town.

At least if it’s Dragon/Hu Tao or Hu Tao/Purple I’ll have some sort of vindication

[Flavor Leaf]

Fade Pav, 50/50 jail me, and I will shoot in Hu Tao or Purple.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why does Pav kill CW over Dragon here actually?

UNVOTE: Pav

That doesn’t make sense

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s actually bad.

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s a garbage kill from a ScumPav.

VOTE: Hu Tao

4.10 VC implies Hu Tao scum. Idc, Black said to vote Hu Tao too.

I gotta stick.

I think it’s Hu Tao/Purple.

This game is rough.