micro 1096: planned idea [game over]

[DkKoba]

when ur aligned with the *throws up*

[DkKoba]

VOTE: tris this is modconfirmed mafia from my point of view, no lies detected for sure.

[DkKoba]

oh no i hate reading all of you except like black who is polarized

[DkKoba]

also i guess shadow doesnt count either bc theyre the 1 new person ive never played with before in this game owo

[DkKoba]

this is so sad can we bloat this game to 30 pages before everyone talks at least once

[DkKoba]

btw fun fact in completed games i have only randed mafia twice in the past 2 years and that was each a year apart. this game has continued a fortuitous streak of town rands.

i am afraid of being extremely rusty in my next scum rand

[DkKoba]

btw fun fact in completed games i have only randed mafia twice in the past 2 years and that was each a year apart. this game has continued a fortuitous streak of town rands.

i am afraid of being extremely rusty in my next scum rand

damn already tryna hit us with the "i havent rolled scum in forever lol" wifom.............

something something gamblers fallacy :3

[DkKoba]

btw my role has potential to be either hilariously useful or uninterestingly useless.

i hope its the former because that would be extremely epic for the type of role i have

it even has the potential to aid scum if the circumstances are right

[DkKoba]

btw my role has potential to be either hilariously useful or uninterestingly useless.

i hope its the former because that would be extremely epic for the type of role i have

it even has the potential to aid scum if the circumstances are right

see that last part, that means u have to definitely kill other ppl mafia, im NOT A COP!!!

[DkKoba]

i guess ill make it intersting for the mafia and say i already softed my role tho, yall can have fun figuring out wtf the soft is

[DkKoba]

ok i actually read the setup, its liklier my role is completely useless but i guess i can say i can visit people so i can verify that at least lolz

[DkKoba]

i am holding out hope bc my last time playing grand idea i had a cop that specifically could save a PGO basically and i actually targeted a PGO on a PGO night and saved them

so that was a super poggers moment (still lost but won in my heart)

[DkKoba]

i am holding out hope bc my last time playing grand idea i had a cop that specifically could save a PGO basically and i actually targeted a PGO on a PGO night and saved them

so that was a super poggers moment (still lost but won in my heart)

i miSPOKE i meant doc

[DkKoba]

hello gamers did you miss me

[DkKoba]

oh no i hate reading all of you except like black who is polarized

You hate reading me?

i have never had to read you genuinely in a game b4 i believe and i dont remember any level of accuracy but i mainly meant other ppl

meow

Locktown!

oh no i hate reading all of you except like black who is polarized

What??? I thought you were pretty good at reading me.

Let's go everyone! I'm ready to play.

- A

Your avatar is really awesome!

Oh yeah, been a bit since we've played a game together Black.

I think the last time we played was when we caught Kira

Shall we catch some wolves?

Black is my first serious townread.

- Corinne

i literally shitpushed u for a whole dayphase(assuming this is DE70) when we were TvT or did u forget (also never caught u as scum b4 so i dont have a baseline there)

[DkKoba]

meow

Locktown!

oh no i hate reading all of you except like black who is polarized

What??? I thought you were pretty good at reading me.

Let's go everyone! I'm ready to play.

- A

Your avatar is really awesome!

Oh yeah, been a bit since we've played a game together Black.

I think the last time we played was when we caught Kira

Shall we catch some wolves?

Black is my first serious townread.

- Corinne

i do not believe the bolded is a genuine belief and is, in the most charitable interpretation, a forced read in an attempt to advance gamestate

[DkKoba]

VOTE: tris this is modconfirmed mafia from my point of view, no lies detected for sure.

how did you find out

It looked like they were trolling when they said that because a role like that does not exist.

- A

no i think they're on to me. i must have slipped up with how i meowed

i just lie detected this post and I got this as a result:

[DkKoba]

suspicious how shaddowez is the only person not to have posted. hiding something....? too afraid of the pressure me and roden are putting him?

This seems like a stretch

its a true statement!!

[DkKoba]

so you must be his partner

real

[DkKoba]

e-2

[DkKoba]

suspicious how shaddowez is the only person not to have posted. hiding something....? too afraid of the pressure me and roden are putting him?

This seems like a stretch

its a true statement!!

I don't think it's true that it's suspicious to have not posted yet

its extremely suspicious.. what are you doing if youre not posting? must be some п╟п╨ëRŠ ان العالمى لحقوق الإÙTšK™=CDZvë_C¶ÊÅCvËT=DBR
. stuff, definitely not „Åì„ÅÆ„كƒ�¥á¡¼ك‚�كÉ°„̃[ƒ‹‚ÍŠF—l‚ɺ„É of them

[DkKoba]

if 1 more person votes ill hammer

[DkKoba]

shadow cant get away with this

[DkKoba]

i need to start modding games again to assert my non pagetopping superiority of putting votecounts wherever i please

[DkKoba]

i am not_mafia

[DkKoba]

also all of us are PRs, you ain't special claims dont matter

[DkKoba]

I've played with Shadow before and on his signature it says he is v/la on the weekends and he doesn't post at all on the weekends and he ends up coming back on the weekdays.

- A

only mafia is vla on weekends

[DkKoba]

also all of us are PRs, you ain't special claims dont matter

I am very special actually.

can I soft Mason too

[DkKoba]

certified cutie

Neighbourize: tris

are u afraid to hood me bc of last time...

[DkKoba]

i'm afraid that if i hood you i won't get as many cats :<

it's ok black will be angry at me too

VOTE: ausuka

[DkKoba]

talk your shit

[DkKoba]

shadow hasn't been here for almost 24 hours again, back to confirmed mafia though, so maybe tris town

[DkKoba]

Ok uh black I'm sorry you have to find out this way but the entire shadow wagon thing was a rvs meme

wtf I was having fun

[DkKoba]

i have already solved the game, good game.

i will withhold it to give mafia a chance though ...

[DkKoba]

VOTE: dkkoba what if

was town reading him,



but could be playing 3d chess about claiming his role might help mafia, why hint that to scum!?


~H

never let them know your next move

[DkKoba]

starting to think this hood thing between ausuka and tris is a lie

[DkKoba]

VOTE: hpe e-2 roulette

[DkKoba]

but also me re: ausuka/tris:

[DkKoba]

Wtf I can't hammer

[DkKoba]

VOTE: tris[/v]

[DkKoba]

that's a funny glitch I wonder.

VOTE: tris

Omg you don't have to close the bracket

[DkKoba]

OK you do but only if you're typing more

[DkKoba]

I think HPE's reactions and responses to his wagon feel fine. There's a sense of entitlement in his read regarding the e-2 stuff and it makes me think he actually believes what he's saying

VOTE: Roden

His vote and subsequent conversation with HPE felt more opportunistic than the Rogue's

is this just a generic blanket "scumtell" or is it actually scummy behavior for Rodens archetype of play in your opinion

[DkKoba]

objection - relevance

[DkKoba]

that post would look better if I had my og Phoenix Wright avatar from when I joined tbh

[DkKoba]

Yeah I don't appreciate this unnecessary aggression, dial it back or permanently fuck off

Grr grr BARK BARK

[DkKoba]

Wait wtf roden is gone

ms players stop leaving games after only mild conflict challenge[failed]

I was literally waiting to see if they ended up towntelling and was keeping them at a distance and now it's ruined >.>

[DkKoba]

Koba would you like to help flip scum

E-1 and I'm there

[DkKoba]

ok can we still put roden slot at e-1 it will b funny i promise

[DkKoba]

booooooooooooooo

[DkKoba]

:3

[DkKoba]

I disagee

[DkKoba]

i can make it a 1 leading wagon

[DkKoba]

i wonder if mafia are convinced im mason rn bc that would be hilarious

[DkKoba]

VOTE: ausuka

:3

[DkKoba]

yerr

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Flare fluff

[DkKoba]

What if it's just the two hydras

nah

[DkKoba]

The wagon on us looks like it is scum motivated. I always get wagoned on this forum and we are an easy push for scum for having such a different playstyle that clashes with the playstyles on this forum

- A

I pushed it into viable range so I guess I'm being telepathically controlled by scum ):

[DkKoba]

I pushed it into viable range so I guess I'm being telepathically controlled by scum ):

or you just scum, pretending to be town.

town leans

koba -lean town from there post and fluff early game
tris lean town, from there post and fluff early game
margotrosa- lean town, redon vs HPE look like tvt, redon got frustrated bye HPE and left.
HighPrincessErinys the attitude looks like scum town with aggressive attitude. Scum would likely avoid this type of play, so lean town. but very scum town attitude.


scum leans

Ausuka -early day 1 vote, reason cautious, later feels off. there not much scum haunting beside label others as Maybe reads, with out further reason.
Shadow -not much around because busy
Two Level 1 Rogues
(hydra of DragonEater70 & Thomith) tbh this could be scum, with low activity. but more on null/scum



~H

Really makes you think

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Flare Fluff
Slot is a liability regardless of alignment tbch

agree tbh

hard to tell if this is an omgus heavy townie or a scum who got hard caught in their bullshit

[DkKoba]

labeling everything other ppl do as unreasonable without like.. good proof , is just odd af

[DkKoba]

I find it scummy that all ausuka is doing is constantly shading us and quoting our posts and I don't recall her engaging with other players. This is not towny.

- A

this is typically how people tend to play mafia

[DkKoba]

I'd say about 25-33% of the time that statement is correct

[DkKoba]

also obligatory, shadow hasn't been here for 8 hours so they're confscum

[DkKoba]

labeling everything other ppl do as unreasonable without like.. good proof , is just odd af

i never labeled everything as 100% people took that out context, even when i further explained. but that got ignored


~H

this is irrelevant to the intent of what i meant

[DkKoba]

labeling everything other ppl do as unreasonable without like.. good proof , is just odd af

all i did was say low activity is scum possibility, then got called and labeled shallow.

i even later claimed after my experience with low activity scum in past games, but apparently that myth on this forum, what ever.


you guys have been on roll labeling me and A.



~H

labeling everything other ppl do as unreasonable without like.. good proof , is just odd af

i never labeled everything as 100% people took that out context, even when i further explained. but that got ignored


~H

why did u reply to the same post twice lol

[DkKoba]

are there day invest in this sort of setup by scum?


~H

i may or may not have a day role

[DkKoba]

It feels like FF is scumreading people that scumread them, which I think is more likely to come from town? Idk, I think it's odd how their read on me changed after I unvoted them and said I didn't really think they were scum anymore

i went from leantown, to scum, to null in a matter of 30 minutes without much explaination im just here enjoying the ride because i already know from experience that there no guarantee this is scum behavior but im also not about to let people just say anything bc thats also the scum that tends to get away from me

[DkKoba]

It feels like FF is scumreading people that scumread them, which I think is more likely to come from town? Idk, I think it's odd how their read on me changed after I unvoted them and said I didn't really think they were scum anymore

i am not scum reading everyone who suspect me, this is false.


~H

why did i drop from townlean to scum

[DkKoba]

also kinda wanna hear what ur thought process is on why you think Ausuka and I are a viable pairing

[DkKoba]

why did i drop from townlean to scum

town can be scummy to. it the people who take my words out context, if town is really rude. and others twisting what i say.

if you see me scum, that your read.

~H

thats not how it works, if a behavior is "scummy" but its coming from town, then the behavior was never scummy in the first place, it was just not being read into properly

[DkKoba]

regardless, it did not seem like that was what was going on here - that you were just calling me scummy, because later on you omited me from a list of townreads, so there was no distinction there that "scummy behavior can come from town"

[DkKoba]

town leans

koba -lean town from there post and fluff early game
tris lean town, from there post and fluff early game
margotrosa- lean town, redon vs HPE look like tvt, redon got frustrated bye HPE and left.
HighPrincessErinys the attitude looks like scum town with aggressive attitude. Scum would likely avoid this type of play, so lean town. but very scum town attitude.


scum leans

Ausuka -early day 1 vote, reason cautious, later feels off. there not much scum haunting beside label others as Maybe reads, with out further reason.
Shadow -not much around because busy
Two Level 1 Rogues
(hydra of DragonEater70 & Thomith) tbh this could be scum, with low activity. but more on null/scum



~H

I will place Black on scum/null list, for reasons mention earlier. could be town, but eh, need to see more

~H

wait i was literally at the top here, was there no distinction ?

[DkKoba]

Sort of surprised that didn't get a reaction.

Anyway, it feels sort of difficult to believe this is an intentional tactic upon reflection. I think there is a certain level of self righteousness and irritation that is very difficult to fake emotionally, and it's also not likely that Adorable and Harle are skilled at that specific manipulation tactic and not anything else that makes for effective scumplay. It doesn't really add up too well for me.

It's possible flare fluff is scum and still genuinely believes what they're saying about the rest of us being stupid because they don't understand what we're saying. I need to think about it more, but I think the flat assumption that people who scumread them are wrong and dumb without really appearing to grapple or address the points being made is not super likely to come from scum.

To be honest, I probably should have come to this conclusion earlier, but I was annoyed and didn't really want to. I felt like my arguments were fundamentally correct so I kept pushing them but I don't think policy elimination on Day 1 is actually a good idea.

I think rogue's question about "what does flare fluff think about the wagons", including me, was a really scummy post. I don't think the push on Black was great, and idk I guess their treatment of flare feels a bit weird to me. I think I might have to think about how I can verbalise that feeling better, and them being a hydra with two very different approaches to the slot complicates things. I usually don't play games with hydras so I'm not super used to dealing with it. In any case, I think the core of my problem with it is it feels like Theran kind of wants to push FF but doesn't actually do it?

i think their level of illogical reactions are not at all binnable in the town direction, saying this having been burned by similar very recently in an MU game and also historically having this be the type of player that gets away from me by refuging in audacity hard enough

[DkKoba]

Can I have a link to the mu game you're talking about

i replaced in day 2 but sure

[DkKoba]

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... OEIS-Mafia im tommy oliver here

[DkKoba]

is that e-1

[DkKoba]

nope, someone else pls vote

[DkKoba]

i bet u

[DkKoba]

beg***

[DkKoba]

Koba is either trolling or they're scum. Maybe both

When I had the thought that both hydras could be scum, they said "nah", and at the time they scumread FF

That would imply they don't think Rogues is scum but now they want to hammer them

put them at e-1 and we'll find out

[DkKoba]

i also don't know where we got "koba wants to hammer them"

why would i care about being hammer vote while not bringing them to e-1 myself

big thinker, all will be clear soon anyways

[DkKoba]

nope, someone else pls vote

i bet u

Are you trying to say these posts aren't an indication that you want someone to put Rogues at e-1 so you can hammer them?

you can say that only after it happens if it were to

[DkKoba]

What if it's just the two hydras

nah

What if it's just the two hydras

nah

Do you think Rogues is town?

@DkKoba

I'm interested in a straight answer to this as well. You seem awfully interested in the VC while still voting the other hydra, but disagreeing with Black that it could be both.

Already gave a straight answer

[DkKoba]

My want for e-1 is obviously separate from who I want eliminated lol

[DkKoba]

btw we have 2 days left

[DkKoba]

bruh

[DkKoba]

is anyone at e-1 yet

[DkKoba]

Idk I think this progression by tris almost feels fake?

I think I know what you mean

If Ausuka flips scum I think there's a decent argument for scum!tris. Tris is defending her and trying to get a counter wagon going while at the same time questioning her read on Ausuka and saying she needs to look into it more. Feels a little wishy washy in a partnered type way

This is purely an association scumread on Tris though because I think if Suki flips town then this whole progression would be +town for tris

no

[DkKoba]

Is Koba always this useless

this will b funny postgame

[DkKoba]

but perhaps somewhat proof of my selfish playstyle that only helps my POV lolz

[DkKoba]

nuh uh

[DkKoba]

i dont like either of these top wagons but we should get one of them to e-1

[DkKoba]

Koba if your role is that when you get someone to e-1 the mod will post a poop emoji or some other bullshit I will be so mad

[DkKoba]

zzzzzzzzzzzzz

[DkKoba]

game prediction: we kill 1 mafia and then go to final 3 where black is taken to vote wrong (assuming no extra KP)

[DkKoba]

game prediction: we kill 1 mafia and then go to final 3 where black is taken to vote wrong (assuming no extra KP)

also i get night 1'd in this scenario

[DkKoba]

This argument seems completely pointless

me watching 75% of this thread

[DkKoba]

VOTE SHIFT: AUSUKA TO FLARE FLUFF

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Flare fluff

[DkKoba]

yw

[DkKoba]

would be top 10 funniest dkkoba moments if this was a mason

[DkKoba]

i hope ur ok with flare fluff dying instead

[DkKoba]

damn you all being flaky as shit not allowing my gambit to work

[DkKoba]

anyways since i can stop pretending to have this role, and the fact that i really think that the top 2 wagons are town, im going to be pushing that I think the solve is Tris/Flare Fluff and I want one of those 2 people killed this dayphase.

[DkKoba]

yes much tmi

[DkKoba]

please keep saying random nonsense that is unsourced it will make it easier to convince other people

[DkKoba]

ausuka can u claim mason already so we can kill FF

[DkKoba]

also anyone who hammers without declaring intent and asking ausuka to claim mason/not mason is autoscum

[DkKoba]

in case it isnt clear AUSUKA IS E-1

[DkKoba]

please keep saying random nonsense that is unsourced it will make it easier to convince other people

no that you putting words in my mouth, everything read so far is you claiming stuff not true. you saying my response is nonsense to avoid my question asked. is just rude

as usual.




~H

example, proof, evidence?

[DkKoba]

source?

[DkKoba]

im a page top hater but that was a pretty epic page top

[DkKoba]

I think its like plainly obvious Flare is just labeling me scummy while trying to completely ignore the entirety of my play to try to cherrypick aspects to paint me as scum. This has been basically the MO of their pushes this game overall.

I also think they just completely avoid logic in a way that suggests that they are trying to work backwards to create a conclusion rather than working forwards - which is fairly indicative of a scum mindset when it comes peoples scumreads.

[DkKoba]

Koba how sure are you Margot is town

I can't say I'm especially confident in that

sure enough that i think its not the play on day 1, but this is based on Roden moreso not leaning towards flakiness.

[DkKoba]

also ill say that margot is probably like not mafia with flare 100% based on their reaction to my gambit, which was no reaction, which is unfortunately what i was fishing for, mainly from tris. i should have researched better when mod is online but i was afraid of ausuka getting hammered lol

[DkKoba]

I think Margot is probably like ... slightly below rand likelihood to flip scum

I think their play and response to being wagoned is a bit more likely to be town with no anchor in the game.

At the same time I think flare's reactions are probably largely genuine emotionally and might be town but I'm not super sure how to go about reading them either.

I still need to read that MU game rn. I've been busy fighting the English public transport system lol

i dont see how their emotional responses can't be just channeled scum frustration

[DkKoba]

its something I don't even factor into my read bc it can be plausible for either side

[DkKoba]

Koba what is your read on rogue

town

[DkKoba]

Flare Fluff + Koba could kill Margot here and now

i wont

[DkKoba]

HPE saying Koba vote stinks and saying it's a diversion to kill them over Margot saying who didn't provide a single well reasoned post is pretty much the same thing on what Koba is doing. I don't see how are Koba and Margot different from each other to posting for HPE when it comes to their posting and especially when I have seen no signs of towniness from those two.

- A

Margot's unreasoned posts are bad lame pushing. Koba's unreasoned posts are just "haha, e-1! someone e-1! haha!". They've also made several actually well-reasoned posts, is the thing. Margot's motivations are scummy, Koba's are towny, despite the E-1 fishing.

Show me the well reasoned posts Koba made. I haven't seen a single post from them that was well reasoned. Margot and Koba have been two null slots.

- A

56, 501, 524, 563, 705, 710. These all stand out to me as very townie posts, but there's some more wedged into the gaps. The frustrating part about Koba's ISO is everything else which is certifiably NAI shitposting and admittedly questionable E-1/Hammer eagerness, but there's genuine effort behind the scenes.

These posts from Koba are nai and they can easily be faked.

- A

Yeahhhh that's about what this one expected.

anything can be faked, why bother sorting anyone, just vote randomly

[DkKoba]

i failed to read hpe in team mafia correctly and incorrectly townlocked it back then but i think here they show a more distinct engagement in the game and that is where im coming from on my read on it.

[DkKoba]

Black
HighPrincessErinys
Two Level 1 Rogues
Ausuka
shaddowez
MargotRosa
-
Flare Fluff
tris



this is where im at btw

[DkKoba]

im not hammering either of these in protest

[DkKoba]

but i do give intent to hammer margot 1 hour to deadline so @margot you are chosen to claim

[DkKoba]

HPE can you talk about your town read on Ausuka on 158. You put Ausuka as town and you never gave a reason on why you put her as town.

- A

Wagon comp sucks ass, which makes me lean town on Ausuka when no one above null is voting for her.

Are you saying in this post you town read Ausuka for being voted by town and you town read the players who voted Ausuka at start of day phase?

I need more elaboration on how you got to town reading Ausuka for being voted by two other players you are town reading.

- A

Ok this is getting ridiculous now after 760.
NOBODY

ABOVE

NULL. Black has fallen to null to me for her posturing towards Koba that this one disagrees with and dislikes, Rogues have been nullscum for a while, and Margot/You are outright scumreads. No one that this one townreads is voting Ausuka. Ausuka is being voted by scum. How did you come up with this one saying Ausuka is town for being voted by its townreads??

im ngl i just think thats how black is bc i saw similar during team mafia and it was what my team wholesale took advantage of, i had read the game not knowing my teams alignment at the start and thought black was mafia there and i get why someone would scumread their townplay.

[DkKoba]

im gonna go insane

this why i havent taken the game too seriously, just let ppl do whatever its day 1, the truth will happen through flips. maybe we dont get screwed by nightplay, but ya

[DkKoba]

Koba always has weird reads to me. In team mafia they town read HPE who was scum while me and another town player were the only players who had HPE in poe. In Black's team mafia game I had her as obv town and Koba just now said they had Black as scum in that team mafia game.

- A

my teammate was pink ball lmao

[DkKoba]

This just feels like you trying to emphasize your "Ausuka wagon sucks" read by artificially taking away your townread on me

If one of HPE/Ausuka flips scum I'm auto flipping the other

can u try to like focus more on understanding the mindset that brings ppl to have a conclusion instead of assuming that they disagree = they must have scum mindset

[DkKoba]

sigh

[DkKoba]

This just feels like you trying to emphasize your "Ausuka wagon sucks" read by artificially taking away your townread on me

If one of HPE/Ausuka flips scum I'm auto flipping the other

can u try to like focus more on understanding the mindset that brings ppl to have a conclusion instead of assuming that they disagree = they must have scum mindset

I tried to understand why HPE thought me trying to fade you was scummy, and I still don't get it. It only makes sense to scumread that if it thinks I'm trying to save my scum buddy Margot. If you can think of any other reason I'm more than willing to listen

shrug i was clearly acting in a way thats meant to garner negative attention and it is not that far fetched to think scum might take that bait to try to remove me for the game for it

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Ausuka misspelled sorry

requesting you to claim, im going to hammer you by default here. i have hammer on you and ausuka right now. i prefer a wagon on flarefluff however.

[DkKoba]

i am going to become the joker

[DkKoba]

[DkKoba]

fyi to anyone popping into thread - ausuka and margot are both at e-1, margot has been asked to claim as Ive declared intent there (although i prefer a wagon elsewhere) - and I myself am the only one with hammer on both.

so if either gets hammered by anyone else theres no claiming it was an "accident"

[DkKoba]

meh I'm trying to see flare fluff as scummy but it's not clicking

Not exactly convenient but whatever.

Koba I admit I have not read the game in depth, but I am pretty baffled because I don't see how either Prince J or Void's play in that game is even remotely comparable to Flare Fluff's play in this game

i am not making a 1:1 comparison nor did i even struggle with my prince j read in that game

[DkKoba]

anyways since i can stop pretending to have this role, and the fact that i really think that the top 2 wagons are town, im going to be pushing that I think the solve is Tris/Flare Fluff and I want one of those 2 people killed this dayphase.

If you answered this later, let me know and I'll go looking, but this stuck out to me when skim reading - but why do you think this could be the solve?

mainly cuz i think everyone else is town lolz

[DkKoba]

{black, hpe}
{koba, tris}
{flare fluff, margot}
{shaddowez}
{rogue}

When this is horrendously wrong postgame, please forget it ever happened

i can understand rogue, even though i vehemently disagree and see town thought process in their postings, but i dont get how shaddowez

[DkKoba]

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MargotRosa (she/her) 16 Jan 2024 20:41 20 Jan 2024 12:01 0 days 9 hours 14

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that was at the people i want to speak not being here

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I think its like plainly obvious Flare is just labeling me scummy while trying to completely ignore the entirety of my play to try to cherrypick aspects to paint me as scum. This has been basically the MO of their pushes this game overall.

I also think they just completely avoid logic in a way that suggests that they are trying to work backwards to create a conclusion rather than working forwards - which is fairly indicative of a scum mindset when it comes peoples scumreads.

I never said you where scummy, or painted you. This is a lie as even A pointed this out.

If you read what i said early instead of ignoring it, As caught here you are lying by your choice of words. You would have saw i said i had other including you back at null.



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yes and who are your bottom 2?

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im here

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margot, I will be 100% hammering you over ausuka here so your best chance of surivval here is to vote flarefluff and hope people switch

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margot, I will be 100% hammering you over ausuka here so your best chance of surivval here is to vote flarefluff and hope people switch

You don't believe her claim? Hammering her over Ausuka would be throwing

ok i dont care, i think both are town and ausuka could be a mason

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so maybe learn the setup youre playing b4 you try to educate me on claims

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maybe im masons with ausuka and know that and why i chose that, you dont know what i have evaluated here.

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If we're not doing Ausuka today then we should switch to Koba

has suspecting everyone who hurts your ego actually worked in previous games, just wondering

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you know what i meant

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Koba I don't think we'll be switching to FF. So I think if you want to hammer then you might as well do it

i never had considered your vote in this equation so i dont care, i was already operating under the assumption that town was operating against a 3rd mafia

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i am sure i can get margot, ausuka, shadow, HPE and/or Rogue to switch without your help if I can help it. i just need the ausuka voters to start switching off so it can be shown as viable.

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what about my vote

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Koba I don't think we'll be switching to FF. So I think if you want to hammer then you might as well do it

i never had considered your vote in this equation so i dont care, i was already operating under the assumption that town was operating against a 3rd mafia

Says the person who has actively tried to seem scummy all day

And when I said "we", I meant the playerlist. You're not going to make an FF wagon happen so go ahead and hammer the town PR

and you havent tried to think much about it, its clear u put very little thought into your reads when you can acknoweldge these things and refuse to question the why and how it happened, just "lol u did this so scummy".

and the town PR? I'm a PR too, so is everyone here. whats ur point?

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i only have a 1 game sample but does scum black show similar lack of critical thinking or am i safe to just assume this is just mentally lazy town

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if ur mafia here black, this is where u fucked up bc now i am going to go do research bc of how outrageous your play is, and if you are mafia i will figure it out with this research. if youre town, then, well, your clown moment comes after the night 1 kill reveal

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skimmed thru 1 town game and predictably they are matching the same type of "logic" in hollow knight mafia as here sigh

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im the best pr

ok from your pov it obviously cant be u but if you had to have a mafia that was with Flare here, who would you say that mafia is? and excluding margot and ausuka too I guess.

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I don't have that much black experience but this lines up with what i remember of her town game

I don't think town detector detector is a pr except in the very technical sense of the term

I don't really think margot will flip scum but shrug I don't especially think FF will and I don't want to force another claim especially (the claim being mason / not mason rather than fruit vendor or whatever)

but who is mafia then

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man whatever just fuckin send the 2 hydras and if we lose i blame the stubborn margot/ausuka town voters

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im the best pr

ok from your pov it obviously cant be u but if you had to have a mafia that was with Flare here, who would you say that mafia is? and excluding margot and ausuka too I guess.

hmm. what if it's you!

well it makes no sense to be me because why do i drag the day out after setting up a trolly gimmick only to not hammer 2 e-1 wagons, 1 of which are guaranteed not to be a scumbuddy fmpov and then also having the plausibility to hammer either too

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k i found a scum black game and i think, regrettably , I cant in good faith say that slot is scum here no matter how badly i want it to be

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i think id rather resolve rogue than these 2 wagons

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VOTE: rogue

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podracing

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if this is a mason, blame ausuka btw

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Btw if I was scum this game I would not be so close to getting eliminated on Day 1

i would like to think i would have been on the wagon too but black will just say thats because we're paired.

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this one would say intent to hammer please claim etc etc but its probably not going to really be here for that

UNVOTE:

go ahead ill be here

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4.5 hours

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they have until literally the deadline bc mason is possible

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oh

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rogue is hammered lolz

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margot still lean town but she will show it d2 if anything. so just askin not to be instant biased against everything she says and let her cook

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ya i dont get this line about margot hammering a townread bc it seems clear to me that ausuka was a genuine townread just self pres vote and not like there was time to go elsewhere

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i think theres plausibility going both ways wrt margot here. not worth overanalyzing it and just focusing on her reaction and progression post rogue flip, whatever it may be.

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@margot, can you choose a player to visit with your ability, for the purpose of tracker/watcher? preferably someone you scumread/arent townread. perhaps giving 2 different names might be good.

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any sky gazers in the chat

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@margot, can you choose a player to visit with your ability, for the purpose of tracker/watcher? preferably someone you scumread/arent townread. perhaps giving 2 different names might be good.

Sure. I'll visit Koba and Black

i meant like who you might visit if its scum/town LOL

but why us 2
the point is to *potentially* be able to verify you visited an alive player to confirm you not doing the kill ig

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yall this is just mafia theory arguments

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@margot, can you choose a player to visit with your ability, for the purpose of tracker/watcher? preferably someone you scumread/arent townread. perhaps giving 2 different names might be good.

Sure. I'll visit Koba and Black

Since when do you scumread me?

pretty sure she just misread bc i included the word townread in that sentence

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i got a new roles and lol

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also tris your role is 100% real and no lies were detected.

i had a lie detector role that would detect if your role card had any mod lies in it

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we also have 2 masons left so we might just straight up autowin from here

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Actually no Black is probably fine here because it would be tantamount to suicide to uberpush Ausuka then nightkill her. But also, why the fuck would scum nightkill her when she was at E-1 and could probably be reasonably assumed to be a viable mislim candidate?

well there was that little counterwagon onto rogue that happened from 2 wagons.

im assuming im going to be considered clear for the rest of the game atp

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tentative PoE of [shadow, flarefluff] with an extension of black based on how they moved onto the rogue wagon

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idk how but i am now deathproof btw so this game is basically locked i think

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Town Mod Lie Detector

At night, you may target a player. Assuming success, you will determine if the moderator lied to that player in their role PM.

this is my original role

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God of Madness

Town aligned. Each night, may target two players. Their roles, but not alignments, are swapped. If a role swapped is incompatible with the new alignment it has, make the minimum amount of changes needed to make it work.

Inspired by a game on my homesite with this mechanic.

if this is the role that caused me to lose my role, then get rekt whoever swapped with me

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Town Highroller

Each night, you may choose a player and reroll their slot. They will become their new role, but they will keep their previous wincon and any Private chats.

alternatively also funny

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I can town clear tris and koba (and therfore myself as well)

did u swap our roles

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I think ausuka was purely killed for a mason read, I myself was suspecting that + ausuka had rogue dead to rights. I wouldn't read into the kill too much further than that here.

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It still wouldn't surprise if Margot was scum with how bad her/Roden's D1 posting was, either way.

wut

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All I got was that Tris was not a detector lol. I am now a Tornado, in that I can swap people's roles randomly at night

oh boy i wonder who the lie detector is

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oh yeah rogue can post, come on lets see something funny :3

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VOTE: flare

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i also think its just shaddow probably

why

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What if it's just the two hydras

we should go back to this

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as a major catalyst in why we did kill scum d1 by rejecting the top 2 wagons, I would like to leverage that into vetoing shadow cheers

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What if it's just the two hydras

we should go back to this

I'm ok fading FF but why do you think shadow is town?

i think his posting despite being sparse is thoughtful in a towny way. its what he does when he is here that counts.