Open 278: Empking's Five Player

[Zajnet]

Empking's Five Player

Alive:

bv310

Cthulhu

Stefunny

Dead:

bvoigt

- Mafia Goon lynched Day 2

brokenscraps

- One-Shot Publishing Cop killed Night 2

Bold

is confirmed.

Role PMs:
2 Vanilla Townies:

You are a Vanilla Townie. You win when both of the Mafia are dead.

2 Mafia Goons:

You are a Mafia Goon with x. You win when at least half of the living players are Mafia, or nothing can prevent that. The Mafia has a collective ability to kill a player on each even night. You may talk to your partner during the nights here: x

1 One-Shot Publishing Cop:

You are a One-Shot Publishing Cop. You may investigate someone once during a night. Your results will be posted in the end-of-night post. You win when both of the Mafia are dead.

Rules:

Please bold all votes or they won't count. There are handy vote and unvote tags which do that automatically.
Don't discuss the game.
Don't reveal any quicktopics you may have access to.
Don't cheat.
You will be prodded if you don't post in 2-3 days. You will then have 24 hours to post before I start looking for a replacement. I don't want this game dragging.

Once you're dead, don't post anything.

You may, however, post during twilight.
But most importantly, have fun.

[Zajnet]

It is currently Night 0, however this will be an action-less night. The mafia may talk in their quicktopic until I tell them otherwise.

Day 1 will start approximately 24 hours after everyone has confirmed.

[Zajnet]

Everyone has confirmed.

I will allow for pregame talk now, and D1 will officially start soon. Votes will not count until it does.

[bvoigt]

Hey, everyone! Do you agree that we should no-lynch on D1?

[brokenscraps]

I think no-lynch is obvious, but how quickly?

[bvoigt]

Not for a while. I think we should all have a good idea of our suspicions at the start of D2.

[Stefunny]

Well this is going to kill much of a chance to get any suspicions...

[bv310]

It's awesome that nobody bothered to PM me that the day was open.

Anyway, I support no-lynching D1 (obviously).

Stef, what do you mean?

[Stefunny]

I agree with the logic of a D1 no-lynch, but since it was the first thing brought up obviously all scum has to do is agree. Of course a lynch would benefit them more, but now they are just along for the ride till the end of day 1. How do we gain any suspicions if there is not people getting on and off wagons and pushing for a lynch? Who would be willing to cast a vote (for us to analyze and over analyze) if we all just agree on a no-lynch. Yes, a no-lynch is better but I wish we had had some discussion before somebody pointed it out.

[bv310]

Ahhhhhhh, I see.

[Zajnet]

D1 is now officially open. Votes will now count.

[bvoigt]

I agree with the logic of a D1 no-lynch, but

since it was the first thing brought up obviously all scum has to do is agree

. Of course a lynch would benefit them more, but now they are just along for the ride till the end of day 1. How do we gain any suspicions if there is not people getting on and off wagons and pushing for a lynch? Who would be willing to cast a vote (for us to analyze and over analyze) if we all just agree on a no-lynch. Yes, a no-lynch is better but I wish we had had some discussion before somebody pointed it out.

FOS: Stefunny

It looks like you know I'm town, since I brought it up first and you're saying that scum are going to agree.

[Cthulhu]

Not for a while. I think we should all have a good idea of our suspicions at the start of D2.

How do you plan to get a good idea of suspicions?

I guess a no lynch would be a good idea but professing it in the first post doesn't seem to be conducive to helping the town.

[bvoigt]

Not for a while. I think we should all have a good idea of our suspicions at the start of D2.

How do you plan to get a good idea of suspicions?

I guess a no lynch would be a good idea but professing it in the first post doesn't seem to be conducive to helping the town.

I still think we should play it like a normal day (FOS'ing our top scum candidates and everything), then no-lynch once discussion has stalled and everyone has solid opinions.

[bv310]

How do we want to start the discussion? I propose we go with the classic RQS strategy.

[bvoigt]

I already have a serious vote.

[brokenscraps]

@Cthulhu: Are you an alt? You don't have to say who of, although that would be nice too given some of the things you've already said.

Of course a lynch would benefit them more, but now they are just along for the ride till the end of day 1.

I guess a no lynch would be a good idea but professing it in the first post doesn't seem to be conducive to helping the town.

Thinking scum would never push a lynch on a day like this and unthinking town might so this would've been little more than a distracting tell if it had been allowed to develop. Explained suspicions and cases are how scum-hunting will work on this day and you don't need votes to do this.

I agree with the logic of a D1 no-lynch, but since it was the first thing brought up obviously all scum has to do is agree.

-Please explain the part bvoigt highlighted
-Please explain how disagreeing with a no-lynch would've been a scumtell

[Stefunny]

I agree with the logic of a D1 no-lynch, but

since it was the first thing brought up obviously all scum has to do is agree

. Of course a lynch would benefit them more, but now they are just along for the ride till the end of day 1. How do we gain any suspicions if there is not people getting on and off wagons and pushing for a lynch? Who would be willing to cast a vote (for us to analyze and over analyze) if we all just agree on a no-lynch. Yes, a no-lynch is better but I wish we had had some discussion before somebody pointed it out.

FOS: Stefunny

It looks like you know I'm town, since I brought it up first and you're saying that scum are going to agree.

Funny, how does it appear that I know you are town? For all I know you are scum and just trying to appear town. I just think it was silly to bring it up before anybody had a chance to begin discussion.

-Please explain how disagreeing with a no-lynch would've been a scumtell

Well I don't think anybody would be quite dumb enough to completely disagree with a no lynch, since a mislynch d1 means a scum win, but I feel it's now to easy for the scum to hide out until end of day 1 because we aren't going to end up lynching anyone.

That's just the feeling I got from the first few posts, do you feel we can now have realistic, productive discussion if everyone knows we most likely will not end up lynching anybody D1?

[brokenscraps]

That's just the feeling I got from the first few posts, do you feel we can now have realistic, productive discussion if everyone knows we most likely will not end up lynching anybody D1?

This is an issue with the set-up and not with players simply stating the obvious. You painting discussion of a no-lynch as anti-town is misleading.

Well I don't think anybody would be quite dumb enough to completely disagree with a no lynch, since a mislynch d1 means a scum win, but I feel it's now to easy for the scum to hide out until end of day 1 because we aren't going to end up lynching anyone.

If scum lurk or hide today they can still be lynched on later days. Just because we're having a kill-free night phase in between doesn't mean what happens now won't count tomorrow.

[Stefunny]

If scum lurk or hide today they can still be lynched on later days. Just because we're having a kill-free night phase in between doesn't mean what happens now won't count tomorrow.

I may be incorrect but with this set up is it even possible to go longer than 2 days?

[Stefunny]

Hmm scratch that. Doing some math and I suppose with a no-lynch it could last 3 days.

[brokenscraps]

If scum lurk or hide today they can still be lynched on later days. Just because we're having a kill-free night phase in between doesn't mean what happens now won't count tomorrow.

I may be incorrect but with this set up is it even possible to go longer than 2 days?

I realize you've noticed your mistake but if you honestly thought this day could only last two days why would you be okay with a no-lynch when there are two scum in this game? Am I to take this as an announcement of your anti-town win-condition?

FoS: Stefunny

[bv310]

Wow, Scraps, you're REALLY reaching here.

[Cthulhu]

@Cthulhu: Are you an alt? You don't have to say who of, although that would be nice too given some of the things you've already said.

I am but you probably don't know me, I played a few open games and a few newbie games about two years ago but had a break because of some exams I had.

Thinking scum would never push a lynch on a day like this and unthinking town might so this would've been little more than a distracting tell if it had been allowed to develop. Explained suspicions and cases are how scum-hunting will work on this day and you don't need votes to do this.

I see but I was just wondering how discussion would start to begin with. I have to admit I wouldn't have picked up on it in my first post, I probably would have made a random vote then read the rules and took another look at the setup so I would have fallen for the trap, but that's mainly inexperience.

Wow, Scraps, you're REALLY reaching here.

Scraps is but then again we have to get talking somehow even if we do start out with outlandish ideas, it will enivitably lead somewhere. Unless we go with your idea of the questions but I think that oppurtunity has passed now anyway.

[bv310]

I've got an idea: Why don't we vote for who's going to be investigated?