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Ah, that was Cogito ErgoElias_the_thief wrote:Also @ CES: You were scum with me in 365, which was like my third game or something like that because i started out playing one at a time.Sum. It's a minor difference. I didn't know a well-know player on this site had a name this similar when I chose it, itsometimesoften leads to confusion.-
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Perhaps, but, unfortunately, townies fake PR's too all the time. Iunno why.Xylthixlm wrote:I was thinking that the self-vote was punishment for violating the PR, but your explanation makes more sense. Which means the PR is probably faked, and faking a PR is something only scum have a reason to do.
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Yes, a PR can come with any alignment (although I've never seen a PR'ed SK in a non-PR game), so in theory, no one would ever really profit from faking it. I think it wouldn't condemn him at all if he'd indeed faked it.Korts wrote:One thing to add:
Cos if it don't, scum wouldn't gain much--or anything--by faking it. Just thinking.I wrote: Does having a PR have anything to do with alignment?-
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Okay, admission of guilt: 'all the time' was a hyperbole, but yes, I saw townies fake post restrictions more than once. In fact, very soon I'll quote jerubbaal's last post and give some examples along with that.Xylthixlm wrote:Speaking of which, CESc, Iassumethat you are in fact lying through your teeth. If you really think that townies fake post restrictions all the time, though, please provide an example so I can take you off my list of people to lynch tomorrow.
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Yes, I remember those, but if you play at MtgS, you might also remember Arimnaes in Matrix Mafia, Xyre in 24 Mafia or Axelrod in Elegant Mafia. Really, it happens, and no less than scum faking them. Sometimes because they want to achieve something with it, sometimes because they think it's fun or because they want to get the game moving, and try to stimulate discussion. Really there are multiple reasons why one would want to fake such a restriction.jerubbaal wrote:
Really? That seems absolutely baffling. Why would a townie ever do that. The only times I've ever seen someone fake a PR were on the other site I play at, MTG Salvation, and both times it was scum (one of the guys pretended that he could only post in smilies and votes/FoS's, which was absolutely hilarious, but fake in the end, the other guy talked pirate talk, which was almost as annoying as this).CES wrote:Perhaps, but, unfortunately, townies fake PR's too all the time. Iunno why.
That said, I'm all for lynching SF. He's pretty much a liability, and I think the sooner we lynch him the better. Not only that, but he might very well be scum too.-
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Hmm.. I don't really understand what you're trying to say here, but if SFKorts wrote:And the emphasis is on possibly. It's not likely, in my opinion. I, for one, would be too lazy to fake a PR as ridiculous as this. I mean, this is pure art! It takes five minutes for a short sentence. If he's faking it, he's good. I meangood. And full of horseshit, the idiot.doesindeed have the posting restriction, what do you think his alignment is? And what do you think right now (with wether he's got a pr or not still unknown)?-
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If you can't post actual words, and only post like this, you're a liability. It'll be hard to accuse you something, and I think not being able to properly discuss things reduces one's accountability for his actions.SensFan wrote:Cogito Ergo Scum wrote:He's pretty much a liability, and I think the sooner we lynch him the better.Vote: I
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I agree with you here, but sometimes, towiesXylthixlm wrote:It's pretty much a cornerstone of play, though, that town has more to gain from accurate information than scum do. Faking a post restriction deprives the town of accurate information, by misleading players about the setupandcutting down contribution from the player faking it. There are almost no circumstances I can think of where it would be a good protown move.dohave a good reason to, and sometimes, townies just make bad moves.
I don't get it. You thought I wanted SensFan to admit it was fake, which, because you didn't believe a townies would fake a PR, would catch us a scum, yet you think it's a point against me? I'm not completely following you here.Xylthixlm wrote:I was assuming you were trying to get SensFan to admit it's fake. It never crossed my mind that you could actually believe that he might be faking but still town.-
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But how would he be able to do something scummy at all with this PR? Other than using his vote, he can hardly do anything producive for the town. And since such a PR is very rare in a mini normal, I'd rather say he's faking his PR unless we can prove he's actually not.ting =) wrote:How is lynching SensFan helpful to town? As far as I can tell, that's nothing more than a OMGPRS lynch. Yes, it's annoying, but he hasn't actually done anything scummy unless you can prove he's actually faking his PR.-
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So you totally rule out the existence of an usurper, yet you think SF's PR is plausible? I'd also like to know why you think a scum wouldn't fake this.lovo14 wrote:i do not see why a scum would fake this. the ONLY thing i could see would be an usurper getting on town side early as its best way to play it. but there is no chance that is in this game-
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Wow.. This post is really wishy washy.Korts wrote:I'm trying to say that I'm, for now, convinced that he's not faking. I admit that there's a fair possibility that he is, but I don't think so, at the moment. My point was that the nature of the PR--being only able to communicate in votes of a single letter, makes it too difficult to fake. Indeed, faking it would get tiresome and annoying to SF soon, so if he's faking it he's bound to stop anytime in the near future. This is why I'm convinced that he isn't faking. It's just too fiddly, if he could just choose to speak normally. About the alignment, I don't have any feelings yet. Possibly townie, although he hasn't yet contributed, which can be because we were questioning him about his PR.
Also, you're convinced he's not faking because if he was, he's stop doing so in the near future?
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If anyone would want to fake a PR, that player is making a lot of unnecessary effort anyway, wether the PR is difficult or not. It's a fair point, I guess, but far from convincing.Korts wrote:Geez, how can I say it? I think he isn't faking, because no-one who has any sense would voluntarily communicate in votes of single letters. If he wanted to fake a PR, he could've thought up an easier one.-
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Isn't 'not doing anything protown' scummy? At least I think it is.ting =) wrote:Okay, I give that he hasn't contributed much, I can't quite deny that, but every townie we lynch puts us one step closer to a mafia win. I just think we need a more concrete reason to lynch someone. He hasn't done anything particularly pro-town, sure, but until he actually does something decidedly scummy, I'm against a sens lynch.
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I know this is because it's because of what the mod posted, but in the current situation, I don't even want anyone to counterclaim. Sensfan got caught and wants to take down a power role with him. I guess I'llVote SensFan.-
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There isElias_the_thief wrote:yeah, but that doesnt actually change the likelihood of SF saying to himself "hmm, ill fuck with these guys by having a PR". Its still just as possible either way.no wayanyone would do that as a cop.
Really, he either is a cop with a pr, or he's scum, and since we're in a mini normal and because SF hasn't really done anything protown, I'm 99% sure it's the latter.-
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Too bad Xyl already made the Jester analogy, because I would've. Really, just because one is almost definitely scum, you think they're townies trying to mess with the town? That's quite possibly one of the worst arguments I've heard. And evenElias_the_thief wrote:Oh, I've seen plenty of saboteurs in my time, at least 3 or 4 that ive personally witnessed and several others that I've been told of. I'll probably end up voting for SF, but Im far from sure that theyre scum.ifhe'd be sabotaging this much, we'd be better off lynching him asap anyway.-
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The real cop already knows SF is scum. You're trying to get your partner to live for another day, and get a cop investigation wasted while you're at it?Joubert wrote:OR... Simply ignore SensFan for now, find other trails and the real Cop (if there's one) can investigate him during the Night. That's another possibility...-
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Ugh. How many times did we go over this? We cannot prove wether he has a PR or not, but weKorts wrote:What points to SF being almost definitely scum? I just can't agree with you. It looks like he has a PR. There's no point in arguing about that, he's either faking or he isn't. There's no way to prove either. What you're saying is he's definitely scum, because he has a PR? QED? That's just shitlogic.candecide what of the options is more likely, and it's more likely he's faking. Even though that's not proof, it's true. Also, I never said he had a PR, and I never said he was scum because he had a PR. I have no idea how the hell you can up with this, but it's totally false.
Again, you're completely misrepresenting me. I'm not pointing fingers because he doesn't agree SF is almost definitely scum, I'm pointing fingers because of the plan he proposed, because it has some obvious flaws:Korts wrote:And now you're pointing fingers 'cause Joubert's not agreeing about SF being almost definitely scum? No way to be sure of SF's alignment, PR or not, except for scum themselves, and if you're one of them, I'd understand why you would make the case that took the least effort. Shit, man, Cop may be the obvious therefore most idiotic claim for Day 1, but if he is Cop, what should he do?
1. If there is another (real) cop, that cop knows for sure that SF is scum -> If there is a real cop, it would be a waste for that cop to investigate SF.
2. Simply 'ignoring' someone because you're not completely sure that person is scum is simply bad. Why the hell would you want to ignore someone?
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So, basically you're voting me because I think SF is definitely scum? Isn't that pretty much the same as voting someone because you disagree with that person, exactly the same as what you just accused me of?Korts wrote:But what I meant, and I think it wasn't difficult to see what I meant, was that you were saying basically that SF is almost definitely scum, 'cause he's likely faking. I don't see why having a PR is so unreasonable in a mini normal. Of course I haven't played much at all, so you know best.
Oh, and this is my first mini normal here, by the way.
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Well.. If those arguments are why you're not voting SF, I'd like to take your doubt away. That's all. I think you should never think someone scummy might be a saboteur.Elias_the_thief wrote:Im not making the argument that he is a saboteur. I'm saying that its a possibility, especially given the cop claim. I'm still not even against his lynch, I'm undecided. You seem to be attacking what I've said as if theyre defenses of him. Theyre not, simply my suggestions as to possibilities on his role. I'm not comfortable voting someone just for an unlikely PR.-
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There are multiple possibilities:lovo14 wrote:the only prob with this is that the REAL cop if it isnt sf hasnt came forward. true its day 1 doesnt wanna be put out there. but there would surely be a doc out there to protect him on the counter claim if need be
1) There is no cop.
2) The cop is one of the lurkers.
3) The cop hasn't counterclaimed, because multiple people said a counterclaim is unwarranted at this point.
And there might be a mafia roleblocker just as likely as there is a doc. General consensus is that it's better for the cop to stay hidden for a while.
Ilovo14 wrote:unvote vote Cogito Ergo Scumyou are pushing the sf pr way to hard you have nothing to go on that he is being scummy except you thinking he is faking a prdohave something to go on. Did you actually read what I said, or are you just echoing Korst here (which you did several times already this game). Granted, I think the PR is a big point against him, but there's also his lack of contribution (although that's changed a little, but only after it was repeatedly said he didn't contribute), and the slipup by the mod.-
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Yay, replacements!
I must say I quite agree with what Shanba says, in the sense that, would SF be mafia, he'd likely be a goon/gf (which is the trend in mini normals) and that means it isn't very harmful if we keep him alive. I once before played a game where we kept a known mafia goon alive on purpose, and that turned out to be quite a good play. If SF keeps contributing, and he seems to be doing that quite a lot better lately, I guess I'm okay with keeping him alive. Still think he's scum, though."This topic needs more CESc." --Vi-
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Elias_the_thief wrote:
erm...I dont think he said that. Good rolefishing though. I'll keep that in mind for tomorrow.Cogito Ergo Scum wrote:@ Korst:Are you a roleblocker too?
:teach:IH wrote:Rolefishing is fishing for someones role. It's called fishing because it recquires subtlety. When you grab a shotgun and start firing into the water, thats not fishing.-
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You can argue it's scummy what I did, but it's most definitely not fishing.Elias_the_thief wrote:its still fishing, as you're asking his role without real need, which only helps scum. Even if you want to stress the minute difference between what yo did and fishing, what you did is still scummy as hell.-
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Hmm.. That's much more likely to me, at least.SensFan wrote:Vote: O
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K, so we lynch Jerub. That'd leave 9 of us. 4 pair, with SF being the odd man out. Even though I still don't believe him, I guess this is the best course of action.
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As in I've seen Jerubbaal play as scum before, and his play here isn't even remotely similar. As in, Jerub tries to stay calm when attacked as scum, while he appears honestly frustrated here. As in, and this isn't really metagaming, I'd rather lynch SF to verify his result than lynch Jerubbaal to lynch SF's result.Korts wrote:
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Metagaming.SensFan wrote:Cogito Ergo Scum wrote:I'm pretty sure Jerub is town.Vote: W
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A PR is not a game mechanic, unless everyone has one. Now, it's just a part of one's role. It's still unlikely, mind you.
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I very much doubt this setup is even normal to begin with.Wiki wrote:Certain setups which satisfy all of the above might still be better suited as theme games. Examples include Texas Justice, NYPD Mafia, and Hospital Mafia,in which all the innocent roles were the same.The setups of these games fit the guidelines outlined above, but their experimental nature makes them more suited to be run as theme games.-
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K. We lynch SF. If he comes up scum, he likely had a motivation to switch from Joubert to Jerub, so I'm pretty sure one of them's scum, and one of them's town. But that's just speculation, so I'm not going to lynch based on only that.
We leave Korts as odd man out, and pair the rest.
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