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VOTE: Neruz
OK, if Tomith is scummy, then why did you place another random vote?
~Wierdalexv
Beck wrote:so you are honestly saying that scum is the only one who defends somebody?
I have been on MS much less than you and have already seen examples of this not being true, am I skeptical of people who do it? absolutely but it doesn't make them guaranteed scum either.
Thomith wrote:As scum i buddy not defend. Just saying.
Evil Bullet wrote:weirdvoigts wrote:I'm going to answer Thomith's question to Bvoigt for him, as we already discussed this and agree. These are the four motivations you may have for defending Thomith:
1. You are scum defending a townie so that if he flips town, you get townpoints.
2. You are scum defending a buddy, this is less likely due to the obviousness of the defense.
3. You are scum defending a townie trying to fake a reaction, but overdid it.
4. You are town defending someone you legitimately think is town.
Those are the four possible motivations I can think of. As you can see that's a pretty good chance that you are scum.
I think this post is ridiculously scummy but I'm not gonna do anything about it because there's a maximum 30% chance you're scum so you're probably town. Hmm I should just stop having reads actually. There's a pretty good chance that everyone is town.
implosion wrote:There are four possible motivations, WV, for you pushing a lynch on Thomith:
1. You are scum pushing a townie to get a mislynch.
2. You are scum pushing a buddy to get towncred from a bus.
3. You are scum tunneling on a townie so that you don't have to focus on too many other people.
4. You are town legitimately pushing on someone you think is scum.
Thomith wrote:he was blatantly using newbie 1126 against me before then, this is why i made that post.
Thomith wrote:omg hiphop implosion is defending me does that make us obvious scum buddies?
hiphop wrote:Thomith wrote:Thing is in this example scum got powers if you died, in this game it doesn't seem like you do, in the example giving up sort of helped your faction but (as scum) in this game giving up hinders it.
UNVOTE: VOTE: Hiphop
Even you should know the difference between the example and the game.
Thomith wrote:hiphop when i flip town don't do what you are saying you are going to do by basically giving up. Keep posting as, but when i flip town rethink your reads, who is scummy after my flip, who seems town after my flip, think about those things and town can win, just giving up though lessens the towns thinking power unneeded by 1.Ithink you are town
I truly believe these posts conflict with each other.
Beck wrote:@ weird - thoughts of hip
Evil Bullet wrote:weirdvoigts wrote:Alex (hopefully) wasn't saying that, because there were 3 scum motivations and 1 town motivation, Thomith had a 75% percent chance of being scum. Rather, he was saying that I did consider both the town and scum motivations, and the scum motivations are more probable than the town ones.
No way, there was 3 very different scum motivations. Which one did he consider more probable? He can't pick all 3.
Thomith wrote:I suspect Slueth not for lurking but when he posted he didn't post any content, parama has definately shot up my suspicion list too as he didn't post any content when he posted but it seems he had a reason where slueth doesn't seem to.
Sleuth wrote:I have been out of town for a family emergency. I apologize.
I do not like the fact that after 11 pages of content, I would be someone's number 1 suspect for lurking. You lynch lurkers day one when there is no better option. There must be better options at this point that someone who hasn't even been online.
For instance:
VOTE: thomith
weirdvoigts wrote:hiphop wrote:Thomith wrote:Thing is in this example scum got powers if you died, in this game it doesn't seem like you do, in the example giving up sort of helped your faction but (as scum) in this game giving up hinders it.
UNVOTE: VOTE: Hiphop
Even you should know the difference between the example and the game.
Thomith wrote:hiphop when i flip town don't do what you are saying you are going to do by basically giving up. Keep posting as, but when i flip town rethink your reads, who is scummy after my flip, who seems town after my flip, think about those things and town can win, just giving up though lessens the towns thinking power unneeded by 1.Ithink you are town
I truly believe these posts conflict with each other.
I agree. Thomith, are you saying here that you're voting a town read, or what?
hiphop wrote:I disagree with that completely.weirdvoigts wrote:For the most part, I agree with Alex that Rainbowdash is town, but it strikes me as very odd that she noticed Thomith's "softclaim." It's the kind of thing that townies aren't looking for, but scum are. In this game, mikemike778, a Mafia Goon, was the only one who noticed a Mason softclaim, and he brought it up because he thought everyone else had seen it too.
In this game, town-[Low Key] named all 3 masons day 2, and scum didn't have a clue before then.
Rainbowdash wrote:there are so few possibilites to go with Thomith well (outside of Beck, Parama, Ellibereth and VM who is there?)
Voidedmafia wrote:hiphop wrote:Rainbow, I believe it is a Beck, Thomith, Voided. And on to the next game.
Not Thomith. Even with this recent spat of trying to act like a VI, he's still town.
Thomith wrote:You made it obviouswhat you were trying to do, so i just ignored it. From the post where you decided not to add anything to the discussion it was obvious you were trying to get something out of me, so tbhi didn't even bother thinking you were scumfrom it as it seemed like a gambit. Looks like i was right.
Thomith wrote:I found it scummyyou wanted an excuse even thoughi thought it was possibleit was a gambit, i found it weird that you were saying it.
weirdvoigts wrote:Voidedmafia wrote:hiphop wrote:Rainbow, I believe it is a Beck, Thomith, Voided. And on to the next game.
Not Thomith. Even with this recent spat of trying to act like a VI, he's still town.
Trying to act like a VI? So you think he's doing it intentionally? If so, what's the town motivation for that?
Beck wrote:And I've already said thom isn't a good lynch day 1
Beck wrote:Thom's flip if he is scum teaches us what?
Thom's flip if he is town teaches us what?
I will tell you one thing thom's lynch will do regardless of his alignment
It will render the VCA essentially useless
Voidedmafia wrote:I don't see scum motivation, either. On it's own, it's more of a nulltell, but when I couple it with how he's been acting it seems to push him more into the town category.
Voidedmafia wrote:But Thomith wasn't really in danger of being lynched at that point, IIRC. I mean, yeah, he had people gunning for him (Hiphop and EB come to mind), but Hiphop was the one near the chopping block (and I was starting to get that way).
Rainbowdash wrote:@WV - What is your joint viewpoint on Thomith? On hiphop? On deselby? Is Alex even posting anymore? See this why this hydra thing confuses me. There seems to be disagreement or both heads play off eachother and never listen to anypony else.
Thomith wrote:@weird You never answered my question, how will hiphop look when i flip town?
Rainbowdash wrote:Sleuth and Neruz get a D2 pass if they sheep me within the next 24 hours.
Voidedmafia wrote:weirdvoigts wrote:Rainbowdash has no reason to lie about being a doublevoter if she's scum. It's an ability that can be confirmed true or false, so she knows she's going to get caught in a lie if she seriously claims it.
VOTE: Thomith
VOTE: Neruz
-bvoigt
for srs, WV? Or is the Thomith vote supposed to be an unvote?
Beck wrote:vote: rainbow
EB's claim is believable to me and his reaction to thinking he was hammered seems genuine.
Until she claims her role and ends the confusion SHE has caused to begin with, my vote stays.
Banshee wrote:EBWOP: What do you mean,town"hammering" a town read is scummy? That's a pretty bad slip there.
UNVOTE: VOTE: Thomith
Thomith wrote:bansee wrote:I just want to remember this particular quote because I think it's another case of Thomith being a little too knowledgeable about someone's alignment.
Or me mistyping what i meant to say? or is there no chance of this ever happening?
I shouldn't really talk though, I usually have about 50 typos per post.weirdvoigts wrote:
Banshee wrote:EBWOP: What do you mean,town"hammering" a town read is scummy? That's a pretty bad slip there.
UNVOTE: VOTE: Thomith
This is a good catch, but on the other hand Thomith's typing skills aren't that great.
Thomith wrote:bansee wrote:I just want to remember this particular quote because I think it's another case of Thomith being a little too knowledgeable about someone's alignment.
Or me mistyping what i meant to say? or is there no chance of this ever happening?
But this seems like a twisting of words.
-bvoigt
Thomith wrote:wierd wrote:Banshee also seems pretty town for finding that slip of Thomith's
You say you make typos but think i am scummy for making one?
Thomith wrote:weirdvoigts wrote:But this seems like a twisting of words.
banshee said i know too much on others allignment because of a mistype, but it seems that banshee doesn't think anyone could ever mistype so if EB flips town i am conf scum.
The regular way is that they are both town, but if Rainbowdash is an odd-night Jailkeeper, I will be really mad that she thought they couldn't both be in a game.Beck wrote:I'm not sold 100% on EB not scum but we need to hear from rainbow
I was in a game with a 1 shot jk, 1 shot tracker, and an odd night tracker in a mini normal
The even night role was scum.
So sn even night role makes sense if there is an odd night role.
Now can both even/odd be town? Who knows
Can 1 be town, the other scum? Possible since I have seen it.
Other than that I don't have much, I think EBs play overall has sucked, if he knew he wasn't hammered, which clearly everyone did but me, than he goes back up my radar
We don't progress until rainbow claims so we ALL can decide if her and his role makes sense.
I don't trust her thought process
Now, what were you really trying to accomplish with this question?Beck wrote:Thom, are you scum?
What happened to us? I thought we were your top scumread.Thomith wrote:Voided because i feel that the way people have been avoiding him lately is very weird and i dislike the way that he is seemingly getting ignored
EB because i still don't really see why town would hammer a town read as it basically gets rid of someone who they really doubt is scum, when you should want to lynch scum.
Slueth because he seems to never read the thread and sheeps the whole time without adding his own reasons to the discussions.
I would just like to point out that Cults are generally a 3rd-Party, not the Mafia Faction.Rainbowdash wrote:Very confident in my Neruz-town read at this point simply because I can't believe anypony but a VT pony would get caught up in the whole cult thing. As non-VT, it was obvious even without doing the necessary busy work to hunt down that information. I would assume as scum it would be just as obvious.
Oh, nevermind then. I could have swore...Rainbowdash wrote:weirdvoigts wrote:So you got theentire voting blocto vote us over agut read?
You never got ran up. I just want ponies to watch you in the future since I am not going to be around forever.
XDEvil Bullet wrote:Beck wrote:I'm trying to see how strongly you feel the chance both roles are likely.
If we lynch him, you look extremely badso I'm trying to process this claim assuming you are town and scum
SCUM SLIP SCUM SLIP SCUM SLIP THIS GUY KNOWS I'M TOWN
Thomith wrote:You were untill this happened, and your actions lately have been quite pro-town except the typo thing.