AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHIn post 1731, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:NOW WE COME BACK AT THE SAME TIME AHHHHHHHH
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if you end up reading my posts, i left an easter egg in them for youIn post 1735, Prism wrote:If I go to sleep, I won't give a read.
These are literally the only times I canreallyplay.
So shut the fuck up and let me do this."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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while it's possible pine would guide cakez to buddy the shit out of you this post does look pretty solidly townIn post 131, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:No I mean it's just cute that you think I'm scum. When I tell you I got nommed for a scummy award, it's because you wouldn't even think it was possible that I was scum, if I was scum this game. Especially when I haven't played with you as town, when you can't tell the difference, you're pretty much fucked.
I think I deserve a flash wagon"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Don't worry, I won't tell anyone we cracked the game open early.In post 1739, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Hate to break it to ya but it isn't eggsactly April just yet"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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If it's a genuine belief that you have a strong scum game and people wouldn't pick up on it, then I don't think that you'd be in the position talking about how impossible it would be to catch you when you've already been caught. It's not a strong read because the reason you wouldn't say something like that is because it feels silly as hell doing it and usually falls flat but I certainly see where Cakez is coming from with that.In post 1743, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
Okay, explain to me how the post is town because it's so hard for me to try and get an outside perspective on how that post reads town. I still can't get the reason as to what people are seeing.In post 1740, Nachomamma8 wrote:
while it's possible pine would guide cakez to buddy the shit out of you this post does look pretty solidly townIn post 131, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:No I mean it's just cute that you think I'm scum. When I tell you I got nommed for a scummy award, it's because you wouldn't even think it was possible that I was scum, if I was scum this game. Especially when I haven't played with you as town, when you can't tell the difference, you're pretty much fucked.
I think I deserve a flash wagon"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I can see him pushing Mastina because he disagrees with her approach to Pine, but I think that his logic sort of falls flat right about here; I don't think that it's reasonable for Mastina to believe that she can get me lynched by saying "Pine will pick him" regardless of our respective alignments because it's just not a strong case on its own. Maybe as a supplement it can get a small extra boost, but alone? Fuck no. It seemed pretty clear to me that mastina's motive as scum there wouldn't be to get me lynched.In post 169, SirCakez wrote:Lynching town Nacho is pretty good for scum.Or alternatively, bussing scum Nacho would reap a shitload of towncred."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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That's the idea behind it, yes.In post 1752, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:To make sure I understand, you're saying it's town because it's a contradiction of what the game status was at the time?
From my perspective, I have a tendency as town to recognize points where suspicion wouldn't be a problem if I was scum; when you're scum, you can do certain things to avoid suspicion that you just can't do as town. It felt like that for me."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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That would be mastina scum motivation that makes sense, yes.In post 1754, drealmerz7 wrote:no, it's to get you to TR her
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hey, mastina, did you check out aeronaut's drunken christmas party? just finished, pine was scums I was town"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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This is Cakez's response to Monokuma's "why didn't you respond to our naked vote?". It was pretty good.In post 173, SirCakez wrote:Because whenever someone asks why someone just naked voted them, they'll inevitably say some stupid shit like "reasons" or "not saying" or whatever."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Doubt it.In post 1760, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:The only thing that sticks out to me in this post is if Cakez knows Mastina's philosophy on bussing. Wiki tells me she thinks it's the most overrated thing ever."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Fate push is good?In post 1759, Prism wrote:Problem of Monokuma: Everything before their Fate push is flaming trash and worth instalynching them for, everything after is actually pretty solid. #923 on is back to being bad."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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This seems like a Cakez-town push; he could honestly just look up mastina's recent games (would make sense, he might find DEFCON 5 aka "mastina is huge huge mislynch bait") but instead he just keeps on plugging away. I'm not sure he'd invest himself so thoroughly in mastina push if scum.In post 370, SirCakez wrote:I've never seen you be mislynched and you're generally a strong player so I reject this."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Fate is scum or town power; he should get a pass on that if nothing else.In post 1766, Prism wrote:At some point someone is going to have to sell me on Gin/Fate being town but that's going to have to happen another time. Fate gets a pass solely because of Monokuma.
P-Edit: Fate push is fine, believability of posts/stances improves dramatically.
So you don't find any parts of the three-pronged push problematic?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Because I've commented on that earlier in thread and if I wasn't busy grinding on a Cakez ISO I'd probably dig back and bring it up to make chatting easier but I thought it was the first push with any real heart behind it and it sucked."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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And this is... completely missing the point.In post 370, SirCakez wrote:Ok? Not sure what this is supposed to be convincing me of other then you bussing Nacho is very much a possibility.
Mastina talked about a game where she bussed me and everything went to shit shortly after as a sort of parable to not bud the shit out of your partners for no reason."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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But then again, does Mastin/Nacho/Fate feel like a Cakez opening scumteam?In post 370, SirCakez wrote:Maybe mastin/nacho/fate? Aero could be in there somewhere (except not replacing mastin).
Probably not."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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also pisskop's "i want to call this shot bad but i'm waiting for the flip to happen" was a pile of hot garbage; mastina was polarizing enough at that point and pisskop was pretending to trend far enough to the mastina side where taking the middle ground didn't make sense."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Okay, I can understand this perspective.In post 1779, Prism wrote:this is a case that they thought was strong even if they were scum."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I don't really know Cakez either (I used to be able to read him but then my ability went to shit), but I don't really think Cakez would push all of us out of the gate. I don't think most players (save Prism) would push us all out of the gate.In post 1781, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Okay I don't know how Cakez plays but looking at this, I mean does it make sense for scum to say every single one of the 3 top notable players and attract their attention onto himself or a town perspective of being fearful of all 3 of you guys?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I can't see him sending Cakez on a random suicide mission; he doesn't really have good return even if it succeeds but it has a high chance of going poorly.In post 1789, mastina wrote:
Devil's advocate: Pine would know this too and could have advised a scumbuddy on the subject.In post 1784, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Basically it's a suicide mission to attack all 3 of you guys
However, I called that devil's advocate for good reason; I feel that to be an incredibly unlikely scenario."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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You've never needed direction before.In post 1788, Aristophanes wrote:Nacho, I'm all yours for now. What would you like me to read/do/comment on?I just need a direction to look in.
I'm here to make sure your voice is heard but I'm not going to walk you through posting."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Interesting.In post 1792, Prism wrote:Biggest issue I'm having right now in the townbloc is Nacho is being power town but has reactedveryoutside town expectations with regards to me (which is where my strongest reads come from)
I'd have thought you'd understand my approach better once I started posting."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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It's not unreasonable.In post 1794, SirCakez wrote:I definitely think mastina!scum would go for the jugular on you here. When she's active (as she is here) she has a huge presence in game and can easily command wagons. And especially early on when you weren't posting I don't think mastina!scum trying to get you lynched is unreasonable at all. My 2cents.
I do think there are reasons why she wouldn't want to engage me in a 1v1 as scum that I don't need to get into here but they exist.
More importantly, I know she wouldn't get my lynched onthat reasoning. Mastina is a smart player. She knows when reasoning is not going to stand on its own. If she's trying to mislynch me, she's bringing bigger guns than that. Does that make sense?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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If my jam session goes how I plan for it to go I'll get there.In post 1801, Prism wrote:
Let's hear you verbalizeIn post 1795, Nachomamma8 wrote:Interesting.
I'd have thought you'd understand my approach better once I started posting.whyyou think I'm town.
But short version is that your approach to the game hinges too much on me for you to be scum. If you are scum, you're putting a lot of time in effort manipulating me which you could possibly be doing for a big risk, big reward scenario but it's doubly stupid because A) I'm smart enough not to give a GOD TOWN read on you because I still don't understand how deep your scum game goes, which means I won't set you up for a deep run and B) Pine probably told you I have HIGH CHANCES of being a PR which means that your team is shooting me eventually no matter how shit I play."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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AristophanesIn post 1810, Aristophanes wrote:"Just do you" they say, 73 pages into a Mini with some of the site's most iconic players filling pages with walls...
1) post
2) get townread
that's it"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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hmmm?In post 1813, Prism wrote:That's pretty poor so I'll take it."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Cakez is a surprisingly townie read so far (my impression before was scum) so I'd like to finish the read there; you can move on if you want."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Cakez, why was this Fate reaction awful?In post 1051, SirCakez wrote:And this reaction is pretty awful."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Fate mentions before this post:In post 678, SirCakez wrote:I did address your posts earlier, they suck
"Fate's push on Nacho sucked"
"Fate's jumping on lurkers"
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Why did you think that you were going to be scumread no matter what you did?In post 1834, Aristophanes wrote:
Because the amount of "following this thread" I've done isn't enough that I am confident in my reads. Starting with the major wagons gets me their thoughts as well as the thoughts of most people involved. It is a good place to jump off to see where it takes me.In post 1830, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Ari, why did you choose the top 3 wagons to read about instead of thinking who you thought was scum yourself?
Do you prefer answering questions over reading?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I might be missing obvious things here but since I'm tired: why did you say that my response was pretty "poor"?In post 1833, Prism wrote:I'm too tired for this but my goal is to make a vote and pin one scum before bed. Oh, the humanity.
I'm not going to convince you I'm mafia, even though I spent basically the last 20 pages doing exactly that. I mean as fun as it is I need to remember that I'm here to win the game not mess with/test you by doing stupid shit that no remotely intelligent/sane person would do.In post 1817, Nachomamma8 wrote:
hmmm?In post 1813, Prism wrote:That's pretty poor so I'll take it.
It would probably be easier to vote scum if you spent more time searching and less time entertaining yourself >.>"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I liked this post; if scum, it was a good way to handle a strong influx of town emotion and that's something that's difficult (for me at least) to handle on the fly.In post 843, SirCakez wrote:Mastina telling me to fuck off also sucks
Especially since she's supposedly town reading me."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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If you are town, I need you to trust us.In post 1848, Aristophanes wrote:I just have a feeling I've let this go too far for too long (even if it's only been a week) and I will struggle to come back from it. This along with being V/la starting, well, basically from when I go to bed until Monday, isn't gonna help a damn thing. Probably me just looking at worst case scenario. I feel like I have all these votes on me that aren't there and its weird.
I don't need you to read the whole game and give really intelligent and insightful comments.
I don't need you to read the game. I just need you to trust us, and that means believe me when I say if you're town there's not a chance in hell that you're getting lynched this game. I just need you to let your guard down and post."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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01. Secret Agent Jin
02. BTD6_MAKER
05. Fate
06. drealmerz7
07. Monokuma (Nahdia + Road Kamelot)
09. Aeronaut
10. Prism
11. SirCakez
12. Vaxkiller
13. Aristophanes (replaces pisskop)
{Nacho, Mastina, Gin} - I trust you two more than I trust anyone else, for what are probably obvious reasons to you two.
{drealmerz7} - drealmer read has a nice balance of understanding his play and a scum range that isn't terrifying
{Prism, Fate} - Prism has come across as fairly town at points but I'm not leaving him in those tiers because he could be centering his play around me and doing a fantastic job of it; he has the range. Fate should be powering through and he does seem town but he just hasn't gotten there yet.
Cakez is a potential candidate because I've liked his posts a lot on readthrough; definitely agree with your perspective there now.
Aristophanes I want to see what Gin and him produce but I think he could certainly move up.
If both are town, we have: {Vaxkiller, Monokuma, Jin, BTD6, Aeronaut}.
If that block is true, then one or both of Monokuma or Aeronaut absolutely have to be scum.
And Vaxkiller seems town from what I remember from him, and BTD6 doesn't really look horrible.
Am I townreading people too easily?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I think I'm still freaking about the "monkey in the middle" scenario - Fate's still a scum possibility and it would make Pine's scum picks make more sense.
Aeronaut/Jin/Monokuma is the only thing that really looks like a Pine scum team without Fate and doesn't rip up my reads. Is that a feasible scumteam? Is it feasible if someone gets substituted for pisskop/Cakez?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I am getting far more "Pine interactions" reads than I thought I would originally, but here's another Pine interactions read.In post 441, BTD6_maker wrote:Pine, you do realise it is optimal for you to do nothing but prodge here. Every time you post we get more information/
I liked that he was coaching the coach and don't think the coach would coach him to coach the coach, and I love that the sentence I just created makes sense."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
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faded is already on the playlistIn post 1885, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Listen to an artist named ZHU plz"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.-
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Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
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BTD6 certainly gets town points for pushing Mastina; I don't think that someone who "defers giving reasoning because said reasoning will be under scrutiny" as scum is likely to join in and maintain mastin hatred.In post 853, BTD6_maker wrote:This post looks bad. If Mastina scumreads Aeronaut then the pro-Town thing to do would be to try to explain it. It is easy for scum to do this in order to defer giving reasoning because you know your reasoning will be under scrutiny.I consider this likely as I myself did it in Open 642 and came under a lot of pressure for it."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.-
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Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
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I have to say that I think BTD6 scumreading mastina because "she's wrong with how Pine made picks" and "she didn't elaborate on her read" is bananas reasoning; don't have the experience with him to make a judgement call on alignment, though.In post 994, BTD6_maker wrote:Your reasoning is flawed. It can be used to explain that it is more likely that Pine picked optimal picks but not guarantee it. What stops someone from entering the WIFOM game and then coming to the conclusion that Pine made WIFOM picks?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Nachomamma8 Devil in the Details
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I'm not sure how much until I finish jamming through remaining players.In post 1895, mastina wrote:Like.
Would Vaxkiller + Secret Agent Jin + Aeronaut be plausible?
It kinda feels right to me, but I'm not sure by how much."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.-
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