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There's nothing more painful than the start of a big Forum Mafia game, where everyone desperately tries to start a subject.
Someone must be sacrificed by looking scummy so we can start having reads on each other.
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Alright guys, I gotta stop you here, I am the Super Mighty Wizzard Merlin, if I get lynched, I act as a bomb and everyone that voted me dies.
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Trapped in a game that had caved in.
And everyone knows the only ones left.
Were Gandalf, and me, and Kid3.
When they broke in to pull us three.
The only ones left to tell the tale.
Were Gandalf... and Me....
CHESSKID3
CHESSKID3
Where on earth did you go.
CHESSKID3
CHESSKID3
GOD, WHY DON'T I KNOW!?
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Also, I also gotta reveal my reads, cause all the cool kids are or will be doing it.
Town-read on WC and Icey.
Scum-read on LynchMePlz
Way-Too-Serious-Read on PineI'm from EpicMafia and I love it there. Everything I say is now invalid.
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Albert B. Rampage wrote:I have a simple question, does everyone have at least one damaging ability?
My role PM suggests everyone does.
Please, let's not start discussing powers and shit on D1. Wait at least until N1 and lets watch the world burn.I'm from EpicMafia and I love it there. Everything I say is now invalid.
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Its not a town read, its a Way-Too-Serious-Read. Null, but worth mentioning.
Icey looks town to me because of my fallacy that clearly states "No one that is Mafia tries to get noticed by everyone at the beginning of the day except for me"
LynchMePlz seems to be trying too hard to look town with his "UGHHHHHHH, I HATE RVS" mentality. RVS is awesome, deal w/ it.I'm from EpicMafia and I love it there. Everything I say is now invalid.
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inHimshallibe wrote:Well, the motives at least. The first sentence seems to promote caution, while the second seems to want chaos.
Basically, I meant: "Let's see how big the shitstorm is at N1 before talking about powers"I'm from EpicMafia and I love it there. Everything I say is now invalid.
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SGRaaize wrote:Katy wrote:Vote: SGRaaize
How about you?
Nah, I look way too Townie for that job. I suggest Chesskid.
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Real talk: I wonder how much of this BW is people RL'ing for the sake of a RL, people actually thinking I'm scum, people wanting to see me dead cause I am annoying and people taking this as a chance to go for the easy target.I'm from EpicMafia and I love it there. Everything I say is now invalid.
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You know...
A BW is filling up.
Mafia wants Town lynched...
Mafia easily joins the BW that is building up.
Either with a "I don't really need to explain why, do I?" (You) or just bullshit reasoning to justify when A) The BW ends up being on Town B) The BW ends up going nowhere and people start suspecting everyone involved (Dry-fit)I'm from EpicMafia and I love it there. Everything I say is now invalid.
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LynchMePls wrote:I would like you to explain all of those reads.
Icey looks townie to me for his first few posts because of his openess to claim a role that is unnerving in itself by the simple stuff that was explained about it (Vote me before voting someone else), its a fallacy, and its WIFOM-A-LICIOUS, but its my read.
WC looks townie by his reaction to Icey's claim.
You look like you're trying too hard.
Pine is taking this way too serious.
Also, I'd like you to explain why exactly you are hunting for a players breadcrumbs.
It was a joke, a reference to another game.
LynchMePls wrote:SGRaaize wrote:Why are you "the easy target"?
Apparently, I'm being scummyI'm from EpicMafia and I love it there. Everything I say is now invalid.
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LynchMePls wrote:SGRaaize wrote:You look like you're trying too hard.
Pine is taking this way too serious.
How are these two things different? Please explain THOROUGHLY.
You're trying hard to look Townie.
Pine was taking small stuff way too seriously.
One involves being scummy, the other is null.
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Oh boy...
Alright, I'l make a super-ultra-overly-deffensive post soon, as well as the promised read on the BW on me (or former BW, I'm not sure).
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Let's start with the Over-Deffensive post:
WARNING, WALL OF TEXT WITH META INCOMING
LynchMePls wrote:We're literally arguing the exact same thing even by Pine's own admission. In one instance you call it "trying to hard to look Townie" and in the other it's "taking small stuff way too seriously" and you are assigning different levels of scumminess to them. Exactly what in my behavior is 'trying hard to look townie' and how exactly is it different from Pine?
The thing is, my "Way-Too-Serious" read comes from these posts from Pine:
Pine wrote:I'm thinking Icey has some kind of ability that can only function against people who have voted for them, or something like that.
Vig please.
As well as:
Pine wrote:Extend vig request to include Gandalf, please. WIFOM on page 1 is unappealing.
@Icey: Is GreyICE not a part of the IceyCupcake hydra this time around?
And also:
Pine wrote:Not understanding your (quite stupid) schtick is not grounds for ripping off my face.
Vig request retracted, but scum suspicion added on the grounds of overreaction.
In fact, that's why I said this, just after this discussion and before you entered in the frame:
SGRaaize wrote:2 pages in and we're already taking this way too seriously.
After that, you entered the frame, voted WC for still trying to go for RVS (Curiously ignoring me, even though I was quoted by WC on the post you quoted doing the exact same thing) and started with the whole "BOO, RVS SUCKS". I didn't suspect Pine as much because Pine agreed with you but didn't seem that bothered about it, plus, he commented before he didn't mind RVS and serious talk "intersphering", so I saw that more as a null-tell than a scum-tell, which is what I saw on you.
Hope that explains it.
IceyCupcake wrote:SGRaaize wrote:Call it arrogance, but I don't think I will be lynched this quick for so little.
^SCUM CAUGHT FOR WRONG REASONS
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I just know how it goes by now, it has been like this in the past 2 games I played here (SSBB and American Gods or something like that), people start suspecting me for shit I always do (Keep my votes on RVS for a long time, joke around a lot, say uncomprehensible stuff) and I always make a huge fuss over it, get all afraid, and then people smarten up at the last second and go for someone else.
Mark my words, this is happening again, and even if it doesn't happen on its own, bah gawd, I'l make sure I'l save myself or die screaming "I TOLD YOU SO, BITCHEEEEEES"
Katy wrote:Part of your problem, SGR, is that Merlin is a WIZARD so you are pretty obv. scum.
Yes, my avatar is also a Evil Wizzard. I guess that means I gamethrew and claimed scum.
Or, it just means I'm joking.
Deal w/ it
WrathChild wrote:LynchMePls wrote:SGRaaize wrote:Real talk: I wonder how much of this BW is people RL'ing for the sake of a RL, people actually thinking I'm scum, people wanting to see me dead cause I am annoying and people taking this as a chance to go for the easy target.
Why are you "the easy target"?
Hey this looks familiar from when I was scum last game.
Wasn't that the game were people also started a BW on me D1 even though I was town?
Soben wrote:Post #34 by SGRaaize - Wow. You're just bad in general, not sure what allignment you are though.
SHDUP
Katy wrote:Post #126 by Katy - So SGR is "pretty obv. scum." but you don't vote him? Explain.
Oh, ok, bear in mind at this point, I have no idea who is voting me as a joke and who's voting me because they actually think I'm scum/pretend they are thinking I'm scum, so I'm gonna take everything everyone says VERY SERIOUSLY AT THIS POINT
Mana_Ku wrote:LMP
Why the vote against Wrath, when SGR calls the starting 'attacks' as too serious, suggests to look at somebody else by asking others who that player should be, to suggest Chesskid eventually, whom get finally a vote after some posts from SGR. He went back into the RVS and wanted others to get us out of the RVS. All his flip-flopping would be good for a cheerleading squad ._.
Yes yes, blabla, meta, yes, yes, I don't usually change my votes, bla, bla, meta meta:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
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In fact, screw it, just read everything I say on that thread, almost every post on the first pages is me discussing why I don't usually change votes even though I FoS people.I'm from EpicMafia and I love it there. Everything I say is now invalid.
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Oh, BTW: On that same game, you can also see I'm wanting a big-ass RVS, just like in here.
I was town in that game.
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Alright, now for the BW analyzation I promised:
The first vote on my soon-to-be BW was Katy, she jokingly (I assume) voted me based on the fact I said someone was gonna have to look scummy for this day to truly start. Nothing special, at least as of now.
Ditto for Mana_Ku and Gandalf
Chesskid3 voted me because I voted him, I also assume it was a joke, at least by then. Nothing special here either, a small RVS BW.
Its worth noting LynchMePlz could have joined the BW by now with a great justification (in fact, he used that same justification to vote WC, who had no vote on him), I can't help but feel he's not Town anyways, but a very crafty Mafioso who just wanted to make sure this BW could actually pick up steam for a hammer.
At this point, Chesskid3 tells someone (I think its me) to move the vote, so it can be assumed he's voting me because I still haven't taken the vote away from him, this is fine.
inHimshallibe votes me with no decent justification, at this point, the RVS was over and his vote was kept, I thought that was bullshit, on retrospective, I think inHimshallbe is a good scummy canditate inside my BW.
Dry-Fit votes me next, his justification being that I haven't voted the people I FoS'd and my vote is still on Chesskid3, which I just vote in the RVS stage to joke around, its a justification that is both good and bad from my perspective, good, because I see a Townie being able to use it, bad, because its something very mediocre and not that big of a deal that can be used by a Mafia when the BW ends up hammering on Townie or if the BW ends up not picking steam at all and people start suspecting all involved in it. Either ways, the justification is BS, because, as I stated before, I always do this. Dry-Fit is another good candidate to be scummy, but not as much as inHimshallibe. IMO
LynchMePlz voted here, with remarks on how my FoS'es are inconsistent or whatever, they aren't, I think that he knew at this point this BW was indeed picking steam, and he could safely vote me. The only person I'm almost 100% sure is Mafia in my BW.
Another thing worth noting is that Chesskid3, around this time, unvoted, voted Icey, and then unvoted and voted me, so it means he still wants to vote me and its not him just laying his vote around for the moment. Doesn't mean he's scummy or townie, just worth mentioning.
WC votes me here based on meta and him seeing myself in his shoes when he was Mafia or something like that. The reasoning is BS, but I still think he's townie. He might be a Mafia joining in the BW with a shitty justification in case the BW fails, much like Dry-Fit can be, but based on previous posts by WC, I think he's town.
And now, Mana_Ku, who had voted me based on a joke at the beginning, actually gave justification on her vote, I have basically the same read on her that I have on Dry-Fit, might be townie, but wouldn't be surprised if scum.
So, with that:
People in my BW:
Fairly Positive Town: NO ONE.
Leaning Town: WC
Null: Katy, Mana_Ku, Gandalf, DryFit.
Leaning Scum: InhimshallIbe
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1) The Breadcrumb thing was a joke, as explained before
2) Also as explained before, keeping my vote on RVS even though I already FoS someone is not a scum move, and even if it is, I have done it before as Town.
3) I already explained why I read you and Pine differently in a previous post.I'm from EpicMafia and I love it there. Everything I say is now invalid.
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And the BW Read is hardly self-serving, I'm being realistic here. The BW is way too long for the reasons on it. The few good points on me are really not that big of a deal and can all be explained using (Yes, I know, its annoying) meta.I'm from EpicMafia and I love it there. Everything I say is now invalid.
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Do you honestly expect me to have solid town reads on someone that is voting me for what I consider bullshit reasoning all the way through?I'm from EpicMafia and I love it there. Everything I say is now invalid.
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LynchMePls wrote:You have a "too serious" read on Pine. {Editor's note: WTF does that even mean? How the fuck is that even noteworthy?}
I dunno, I found it fun to point out
Then I make a post that you decide is scummy.
Yes
Then Pine agrees with me verbatim.
Yep
Then you post your reads, and Pine is "too serious" and I'm "scum".
Ah-yup
And you see no inconsistancy here at all?
Nope. As I said before, Pine didn't make that much of a big deal as you, he said the page before that there was no problem with intersphering (whatever that means, but I'm assuming it means having them both) real talk with RVS talk. You, on the other hand, went in completely out, saying "Grrr, I hate RVS, RVS is bad, look at me guys, I think RVS is bad, am I townie now"?I'm from EpicMafia and I love it there. Everything I say is now invalid.
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To answer it in a more simple and nearly not as confusing manner:
-Pine RVS's in the beginning with a vote on Chesskid3
-Starts taking things way too serious around here with his answer to Icey and Gandalf
-Keeps joking with WC and claims there's no reason to mix RVS with real Scumhunting.
-You join in and vote WC for wanting to RVS.
-Start arguing with gandalf about how RVS is bad and everyone who likes it should feel bad and is scummy and you are so town because you think this, amirite.I'm from EpicMafia and I love it there. Everything I say is now invalid.
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Just noticed this
Pine wrote:So was that nervous, approval-seeking "Why is everyone ignoring me?" comment.
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Why so defensive? You're just over halfway toward being lynched.
Because I am over-defensive as Town and there's nothing I hate more than being lynched.
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
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I presented two scum reads on my Wagon and 1 town read on my wagon, Of all the null-tells, I said most of them had both reasons to be town and mafia, hence them being called "null".
Calling it Self-Serving OMGUS is completely ridiculous, at best, you can call it Self-Serving in the sense that instead of trying to look for Mafia, I am basically just defending myself. Which I guess is kind of true, considering half of that BW read was me saying how bullshitty it is for me to have so many votes and how none of the votes have any decent reasoning behind them.
It looks to me as if you still haven't truly read my BW read as you promised, and are still basing it on the diagonal read you said you gave it some posts ago.I'm from EpicMafia and I love it there. Everything I say is now invalid.
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I'm not sure I am understanding you. You analyze a read on my BW and you are surprised when I don't mention anything in that read aside from... You know... The people that were in that BW?I'm from EpicMafia and I love it there. Everything I say is now invalid.
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And I haven't casted my critics as scummy, from my perspective, I have two of them as scummy, one of them because of my previous reads on him regardless of my BW (LynchMePlz) and one of them because he gave no justification whatsoever on his BW on me (InhimshallIbe). I then have one of them as townie because of my previous reads on him (WC).
I then mention on how I can see both Katy, Mana_Ku and DryFit as Town or Scum (I even explained the possibilities) and although I don't say it directly, the involvement from Gandalf and ChessKid3 in my BW has been almost null and has started in the RVS period, and has been unvoted or not yet justified since that RVS stage, which is why I give the null-tell.
How is this loopsided?
Unvote
Vote: Pine
If you want to vote me, just vote me, your arguments are making no sense whatsoever, and you are clearly misinformed, I am suspecting you are just looking for anything at this point to justify yourself, because you already know this day is gonna end with me dead anyways.I'm from EpicMafia and I love it there. Everything I say is now invalid.
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Alright, now that a big part of the pressure on me is out, I feel like I can breath again.
Gonna sleep now, tomorrow, I'l reread and try to actually get some reads not related to votes on me.I'm from EpicMafia and I love it there. Everything I say is now invalid.
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Baaaaaaaaaaaack
IceyCupcake wrote:chesskid3 wrote:scum chesskid has a confirmable town role so go ahead and mock him
Then don't be voting for SGRaize dammit, [REDACTED] worked on day 1, but SG is nowhere near that bad, and we need actual scum and stuff.
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Feysal wrote:I believe I've had my best idea ever in a mafia game today. I realized I'd be in severe trouble keeping track of what was happening, so I created a private QuickTopic to post my thoughts in for future reference. The downside is that taking notes slows down my reading, but I'll take being informed and slow over being quick and forgetful any day of the week.
This is a pretty great idea.
I have one even better, but even slowler.
I'm gonna create a quicktopic for every player in the game and bookmark them all in a Bookmark folder
I can already tell I'm just gonna say "Fuck it" midway through the game and stop using that, but might as well try it.I'm from EpicMafia and I love it there. Everything I say is now invalid.
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Mana_Ku wrote:Be glad that I've been working on my top suspects in a different way this game as I hate your meta defence. Looking at what you said about using it, you probably know why.
I fucking hate using Meta and I hate when Meta is mentioned anywhere in a Mafia game. There's nothing I'd love more than complete anonymous Mafia playing, but if everyone else can use it, you can bet your ass I'm also gonna use it if it means I don't get lynched.
Ok, this just came in:
On Friday, 20-05-2011, another scummy player came on board the SGR wagon. This player, B......, voted SGR on terribad reasons. Our journalist has interviewed M..._.. on the spot. This is what she had to say:
'Obv, he's biased against his own wagon. As he knows his faction *rolls eyes*. He's still alive, so if he's town, he's the only one who can analyse it with a complete 100% 'SGR is town' - thought behind it. In his eyes, this is catching scum. When a vote is placed, says a lot, which destroys his second reason (This time is an exception though, due to Chess's reason). And everybody can get angry when he's attacked by reasons he thinks are stupid. But as my future-telling abilities have shown me, he later sees part of SGR's 'overreaction' as town-tell.
M..._.., the White Fairy with somebody's Face, to the rescue~ (In other words, /in b4 OMG, White-knighting!!!)
I have no idea what you mean with this... I have reread it thrice... And I still don't understand it...
I know I'm really slow, but please explain what you mean better. This is honestly the most confusing post I have read on this game.
Meanwhile: Still rereading this game. Midway through. Will do my reads when I finish.I'm from EpicMafia and I love it there. Everything I say is now invalid.
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Mana_Ku wrote:@Lmp
During the RVS, we had two players who wanted to keep the RVS going. The first was SGR. His attitude:
-Oh My Gawd. Don't be so serious youll.
To
-Let's take a hayfork and stick somebody with it. Who do you guys wanna pick? (IF Pine had answered it, the answer would have been clear as SGR knew)
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-*poking Chesskid* (Which is not completely true as he only suggested Chesskid and waited before he actually poked)
OH MY GOD
SGRaaize wrote:There's nothing more painful than the start of a big Forum Mafia game, where everyone desperately tries to start a subject.
Someone must be sacrificed by looking scummy so we can start having reads on each other.
Who's up?
SGRaaize wrote:Katy wrote:Vote: SGRaaize
How about you?
Nah, I look way too Townie for that job. I suggest Chesskid.
If you think these two posts have even a slight hinch of seriousness in them. May god have mercy on your soul.I'm from EpicMafia and I love it there. Everything I say is now invalid.
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No, seriously, you read this:
SGRaaize wrote:2 pages in and we're already taking this way too seriously.
Then this:
SGRaaize wrote:There's nothing more painful than the start of a big Forum Mafia game, where everyone desperately tries to start a subject.
Someone must be sacrificed by looking scummy so we can start having reads on each other.
Who's up?
Then this:
SGRaaize wrote:Katy wrote:Vote: SGRaaize
How about you?
Nah, I look way too Townie for that job. I suggest Chesskid.
And you think I was serious? Come on, now, I can't believe that.I'm from EpicMafia and I love it there. Everything I say is now invalid.
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Mana_Ku wrote:Re-written:
-You analysing your own wagon is scumhunting as you are the only one who knows which faction your part of. For us, it's a guess. And of course, this makes you biased.
-when a vote is placed has an impact on the read you have of a player.
-Overreaction has to do with the personality of the player, not his allignment.
I see your two last posts, (Its why I said "Way-Too-Serious read on Pine instead of Scum-Read or Town-Read). Regarding your first point, most of my points on my BW really don't matter if I'm Town or Scum, regardless, of my alligment, the reasoning on me is complete bullshit.I'm from EpicMafia and I love it there. Everything I say is now invalid.
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Dry-fit wrote: or just bullshit reasoning to justify when A) The BW ends up being on Town B) The BW ends up going nowhere and people start suspecting everyone involved (Dry-fit)
Wow way to attack me without even answering my question.[/quote]
I answered your question, I always take time to change votes, its a meta from me, I even gave you links to the past games where I do that.I'm from EpicMafia and I love it there. Everything I say is now invalid.
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inHimshallibe wrote:ohai.
Did I miss anything over the weekend?
Pine self-voting and claiming even though Snow_Bunny has warned everyone not to do that.I'm from EpicMafia and I love it there. Everything I say is now invalid.
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Alright, so I decided to give up on that idea of making quicktopic with everyone, it got boring pretty fast, I'm just gonna reread the whole game now and see points of interest.
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Pine wrote:PE: Icey probably isn't a Wizard with a bunch of powers. They're probably either a weakly-powered, high HP goon supporting the Wizards.
I have no idea under what basis you got this idea, I really don't. It honestly looks as if you pulled it out of your ass.
Zdenek wrote:SCRazzie wrote:
2 pages in and we're already taking this way too seriously.
Trying to keep the game in RVS.
WraithChild wrote:
Seriously, SGR is right. Not enough joking here.
UNVOTE x13, VOTE: Pine
Why so Serious?
Agreeing the with the person who wants to keep the game in RVS is worse.
That's funny, considering you RVS'd after both of the posts you quoted on Gandalf. Or was that a serious vote?
Bunnylover wrote:Can't I just already tell you I'm town therefore we don't spend 5 pages determining if I am town or scum?
Seriously though. I do believe everyone should vote Icey and unvote her to someone else. Unless your scum. Don't vote her if your scum.
I am probably missing a lot of meta, but why do people believe Bunnylover is town based on the two posts he posted by this point?
Albert B. Rampage wrote:At first I thought I was scum because of all the different ways of killing people I had, but then I saw that my role name was in blue, and I read the flavor, and it became clearer. However, it makes me worry because now I think that everyone pretty much has a damaging ability...if so then we could coordinate night lynches, which would benefit us sorcerer-aligned players.
This post makes me nervous. I'm almost forced into thinking Albert B. Rampage is Town by reading this post, but I am second-guessing myself a lot when it comes to this subject.
implosion wrote:VOTE: Soben
gandalf and WC and ABR are all probably town.
ABR, why would you advocate what is essentially a form of massclaiming in a game where we have been specifically told by the moderator that massclaiming will be harmful?
I thought the problem (judging by the OP) was claiming the name.
Not that I agree with ABR asking for a massclaim or anything, I just think the Mod meant something different.
IceyCupcake wrote:Not sure what to think of SGR.Remember the same thing happening in Gorrad's mafia, will look at this later.
Yeah, I don't think it got to this level, though.
implosion wrote:VOTE: Soben
gandalf and WC and ABR are all probably town.
Just noticed this.
What the fuck?
implosion wrote:Because I'm trying to figure out its heads and I want to be more certain, and eliciting a reaction to a vote will help with that.
Not now that you explained it, no. Plus, that makes no sense.
CryMeARiver wrote:Quiero la sangre de Mana.
Why.jpg
Pine wrote:CryMeARiver wrote:Quiero la sangre de Mana.
Translation for those who don't speak Spanish: "I want/desire the blood of Mana."
Not a fan of posting in another language, even a throwaway line like this.
Toying with jumping on the CMAR wagon, but my gut says something's just off about the whole thing.
This whole post screams "Way too serious", just saying.
Soben wrote:Post #126 by Katy - So SGR is "pretty obv. scum." but you don't vote him? Explain.
She did. In that exact post.
inHimshallibe wrote:Soben wrote:
inHimshalibe wrote: Well, Beef's town imo.
Mind explaining the town-read on Beff, not seeing it myself.
Straight-up answering ABR's question. Unless they're both scum, but I doubt it.
Answering ABR's question seems hardly something only Town would do, especially considering ABR didn't get a lot of flack for saying it aside from me, Pine and Chesskid3.
Soben wrote:The OP implies multiple third party roles in the setup, Iceys win condition could simply be to recieve x amount of votes during the game thus although I don't see him as scum I have no reason to vote him.
It could also be a Townie that powers up via Votes, maybe even a powered-up Hunter that doesn't need to actually be lynched to kill someone?
On the other hand, he might be a Mafia role powered up by votes, but well, that's more up to scumhunting.
We lose nothing by giving Icey a Third-Party win, so, as long as we don't think Icey is Mafia, I don't see why we wouldn't vote him.
Speaking of which, I forgot to do this.
Vote: Icey
Unvote
Pine wrote:UNVOTE: ABR
VOTE: Soben
Too many inconsistencies.
Wat?
Amrun wrote:I think ABR's proposition should have received more attention than it has. Is protection really an issue against the whole town's attacks? I don't know how protection would function in this game, and I did not play and have not read its predecessors, so perhaps someone who has should weigh in.
Its best not to try to guess how anything works in this game, protection included. Either ways, its just better to let each person use their powers and later discuss about the results. Honestly, at this point. We should completly ignore everything that happens at night and treat Day and Night as completely different games, per say. Let's try to lynch some scummies.
Mana_Ku wrote:CMAR
If you've put me in the category of players voting SGR for prolonging the RVS, you can read my reason again and put me out of it. Other than that, don't use the 'too scummy to be scum'-fallacy. It's a fallacy for a reason.
He didn't use that fallacy at all, he said everyone knows at this point that RVS is supposed to be evil (myself included, I'm not retarded, thank you very much), so, voting someone for prolonging the RVS is derpy. Do you honestly think I tried to prolong the RVS because I was Mafia and afraid of people voting me and not because I just like having RVS, much like Gandalf, for example.
Please don't quote the above sentence by saying "Well, ur Maf", derp.
Pine wrote:My read of SGRaaize remains wholly ambivalent. I can see both Town and scum motivations for what he's done so far, none of them strong. If I had to commit, I'd lean a little to the Town side based on the wagon speed.
Quoting this post for further reference.
WrathChild wrote:I appreciate your defense and efforts, but would appreciate it even more if you scumhunted instead of calling the person with the best points against you, scum. I actually feel like LMP is one of the most town players so far. If you want me to move my vote off you, convince me there's a better place for it.
I called LMP scum before he voted me, so that's another very unfair statement, WC. I think you're Town, but stop tunneling me, godamnit. Plus, the post you quoted has two points I think I defended myself fairly good from. I feel as if you're completely ignoring everything I'm saying here and just keep tunneling on me because you're stubborn and won't give up on the idea I'm scum.
inHimshallibe wrote:Yeah, yeah, my vote on you was probably poor.
Why did you vote me, anyways?
IceyCupcake wrote:So Soben keeps calling us town, yet steadfastly refuses to treat us as such.
does not compute
This is worth quoting.
Pine wrote:Will address the SGR clusterfuck later, just got home.
You never got to adress my clusterfuck.
Soben wrote:Pine wrote:More votes on Soben, please.
What in particular about my refusal to vote IceyCupcake do you find scummy? What scum-motivation is there behind directly disobeying someone openely claiming a request for votes?
Pine agrees with you on that, he's voting you because you're inconsistent
Pine wrote:Oh FFS. And if the goal of gathering votes is to set off a massive spell that kills everyone else? What then?
lol'd
Pine wrote:IceyCupcake wrote:Page One, FYI. Size of most important bit enlarged.
Jester-like means it depends on being voted. This is really not hard to understand.
Baby Spice wrote:SGR:
Wine arguements, self-meta arguements.
I got no idea what to make of him yet.
I'l have a "desperate townie", please
Soben wrote:We also read through LMP together, and I can understand where he's coming from, LMP's argument with SGR shows no attempt at revealing his allignment, rather just "proving that he's correct". In majority of his posts he refrains from stating if he believes SGR's thought process is scum-motivated or just a bad town-play, a primary example of this is where he asks SGR why he's lying in ISO #16 by LMP rather than stating if he believes SGR's lie is a scum-tell or not.
Interesting perspective, but you're reaching, IMO. LMP is scum, but not because of that.
Mana_Ku wrote:P-edit: Says the one who took my vote as a joke?
Mana_Ku, do you still believe I wasn't joking and was even slightly serious in those posts where I supposedly accused Chesskid3?
I'd like an answer, I just want to know where I'm standing here.
This is not a scumslip
Pine wrote:I intend to self-vote and push my lynch when I finish. I have nothing to lose, and Town has everything to gain from this tactic.
I just noticed you never self-voted.
See... I can't help but feel you're still Mafia, I say this because people are apparently taking you off the radar because you are way too desperate to be Mafia. That's bullshit, if anything, he's way too desperate to be Town.
I felt what it was like to be under pressure and desperate, heck, I think I was under more fire than Pine. I reacted in a way Town would, I defended myself and I tried very hard for everyone to unvote me.
Pine threatened to self-vote, in a sense, AtE'd and made sure everyone didn't want to vote him by doing everything exceptdefending himself.
I know we both might be town and just have different ways to react to pressure, but honestly, I can't believe everyone is just ignoring Pine now because he threatened to self-vote.
If my BW gets bigger, I'l self-vote and stop defending myself, it will surely work.
/rant
Albert B. Rampage wrote:Unvote, vote SGRaaize
Pine is being dramatic like town sometimes is, plus he had no reason to say he had weak abilities, so I'm willing to let him go. SGRaaize does not inspire anything in me, so to him will go my vote.
Yeah, this is what I meant, fucking bullshit.
CryMeARiver wrote:On the ABR question topic (the relevant thing):
I personally don't think coordinating our damage is necessary. Besides completely ridiculous people, everyone that is town with damaging spells would use it on players they find scummy. No matter if that player is scum it will either a) Damage/Kill scum b) Damage/Kill 3rd Party or c) Damage/Kill town that is ripe for a mislynch (like SGR).
However, if we were to make a list of the top 3 people to damage that night to coordinate it, I'd propose we also do it for investigating abilities (not protection because that'd let mafia know who we're protecting).
I agree with this, except for my name in it.
Katy wrote:Amrun wrote:Katy: AtE is Appeal to Emotion, for future reference.
Thanks. I guess I don't see that as a reliable scumtell. I have seen townies appeal to emotion numerous times.
My Policy is to lynch everyone that AtE's me when I'm clear in LYLO or something like that.
Honestly, nothing turns off my scumdar more than AtE.
Soben wrote:Icey, non Regfan head here. Although both Regfan and I don't believe you to be scum, we have the town's best interest in mind.
Town loses nothing whatsoever by voting and unvoting Icey, and it might win something.
Pine wrote:SGR, I have not self-voted, and the overwhelming negative response received to the suggestion is convincing me not to.
I'm sure you thought we were gonna react to it positively.
Bullshit
LynchMePls wrote:
Pine
Feysal
implosion
Albert B. Rampage
IceyCupcake
Amrun
CryMeARiver
BabySpice
Zdenek
Dry-fit
chesskid3
Mana_Ku
PeregrineV
Katy
Bunnylover
SnakePlissken
WrathChild
inHimshallibe
gandalf5166
Riceballtail
Beefster
SGRaaize
SCUM
How much of this is based on points you have bought against me and I have defended myself from?
LynchMePls wrote:Mana_Ku wrote:Wrath wasn't the flipfloppinh cheerleader SGR was, so why vote Wrath over SGR?
And it's not that hard looking at which other player was keeping his RVS vote, while seeing a different player as scummy. It's your reason for thinking players are scummy. I have different ones. If I can see it, without thinking it's scummy, you should be able to find it as well.
As extra, your accusation against RBT is terribad. Learn to read sarcasm.
Wrath did it first, and I was reading up on the thread. SGR got my vote once it became obvious he deserved it more.
How did Wrath do it first? In the post you quoted, he was quoting me. Holy shit.I'm from EpicMafia and I love it there. Everything I say is now invalid.
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