Mini 586 - Blood Red Mafia - Game Over!

[Greasy Spot]

vote: Rosso Carne

cos he's the only one of you I've ever heard of.

[Greasy Spot]

Indeed Rosso has the reputation of a lady chaser from what I gather. I can not help how I was born nor that he is unable to control his flagrant flirting lol.

Vote Stands for now

...or his unexplainable urge to use the HAMMAH!

unvote

[Greasy Spot]

Sorry for the double post, it was a computer glitch.

Sure it was. Maybe a clever way to sneak in 2 votes.

[Greasy Spot]

/confirm PM

Already did a thread read (thankfully only 3 pages still for that sense), and I don't have much in suspicion yet.

But to appease:

VOTE: Caf19

Enjoy your vote!

What the hell is this? You don't have any suspicions but your voting anyway. I hope this a joke vote that I'm not getting.

[Greasy Spot]

ok

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a *little* suspicious of Greasy for overreacting to Riceball's random vote, I need more time to decide who I want to vote for still.

This is the 3rd page. Random voting should be over with.

[Greasy Spot]

I will have very little access till Wednesday April 30th.

[Greasy Spot]

I had asked the mod to replace me as RL is very hectic right now and I am strung out to far. He could not find a replacement so I told him I would try and do better at posting. I apologize for my lack of play on Day 1 but it looks like you all did fine without me. Good job on the scum kill.

[Greasy Spot]

vote: DarlaBlueEyes

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Wow

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unvote
vote: Shepherd_of_Wolves

[Greasy Spot]

post for Darla

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Hammer vote: Xoxelf

[Greasy Spot]

I'm with wolves on this one. Grease's annoying playstyle rivals that of malth's.

He was mafia, I am not.

[Greasy Spot]

9 out of 10 times your scum are not gonna hammer because they are too scared of the repercussions. I am town and mine was not the only vote on xofelf. If you want to lynch me fine but, look really good at the others on the xofelf wagon.

I stated a while ago I would hammer so the two who voted right before me knew I would hammer and take the heat so they should be looked too.

As populartajo already alluded to CoheedCambria09 and Amor's votes and vote claim look just as bad as mine does.

[Greasy Spot]

I think I will just go ahead and claim now, because obv. this isn't looking too hot for Darla.

I am a miller (whatever that REALLY is) my PM says i would come up as scum if investigated, so obviously if you all decide to lynch me it wouldn't necessarily hurt the town all that much since from what I can tell, theres 6 townies and 1 scum left, hardly lylo.

but its the truth of the matter, I am a miller, I looked it up on wiki and PMd the mod to see if i was missing anything, and it looks like I am just a vanilla that comes up guilty when investigated.

*shrug* sorry my role isnt of more help to you guys. I am still pretty suspicious of the greasyspot actions even though as he said it'd take a stupid or a ballsy scum to do what he does, although thats all pretty WIFOMy

So whose your partner?

[Greasy Spot]

I don't buy the claim either. Can you prove it by telling us who your partner is?

[Greasy Spot]

You say that you promised to hammer. Where do you say that? The only reference I see to the Hammer vote is this.

I was mistaken. I posted that in another game. Sorry for the confusion.

[1] All D-2 you vote hopped.

I hardly call 3 votes "vote-hopping". My 1st vote on DBE was joining a wagon. My 2nd vote was on you cause you voted me. The 3rd was the hammer, need I say more.

[2] You robbed Xofelf the chance to plead her defense. And now we have one less town member. Town has no need to prevent the innocent from defending themselves, heck we allow everyone innocent or guilty the chance to defend.

Correct you are.

[3] Now you try to say that it would be too bold for you to have been scum and use the hammer. That is a load of crap IMO, coming from you. You make it sound like that was a pro town move. You could have questioned her prior to voting, especially knowing she was on the ledge and there was time to question. You could have offered explanation for considering her. There is no benefit to us by what you did.

I could have done any one of those, but she could have claimed as well.

[4] Your first real question came today. Why wait until D-3 to get around to your first question.

See post 183 and 247

You accuse me and Coheed of being equally as suspicious in voting Xofelf. I know that I questioned, reasoned and prodded for responsive behavior from her. You did not. So, if you want to point out something useful, please do. What else do you have to suspect me, Coheed, or anyone else for that matter.

Yeah, I couldn't find this could you direct me to a post.

You say Populartajo alluded that Coheed and Amor look just as bad as you. That is another lie. He said nothing about you. He did not like Coheeds vote, and Amor's willingness. You went far beyond willingness and hammered. That not only looks, but actually is way worse, given that the opportunity was still available for defense and discussion. Further, you want to change the appearance of how you look. Like I told Malthusis, scum are most worried about appearance.

No he didn't refer to me but he did say he didn't like their "vote" and "willingness". I'm the one that made the connection that theirs was as bad as my hammer.

I want this post to be dedicated to my accusations on Grease.

ooooo.....A whole post dedicated to me. Don't feel special..

Regardless of how you feel about me, the town will be less one member if I am gone. If you are happy with that then you are not a member of the town group.

[Greasy Spot]

just posting to remind everyone I on vacation on don't have acces. I amstealing someones wi-fi to post this. Will be able to post on friday.

[Greasy Spot]

Ok, first off in my defense, I may be an asshole and you may not like my play style but I have never lied in this game. Ask me anything and I'll shoot it straight as I have all game long. I have not fabricated a claim as Darla has nor have I felt the need to. If the town says it's time for me to go, then so be it. Anything I can do to help the town.

Sheperd this vote is so you don't get mad at me for another hammer

vote: DarlaBlueEyes

[Greasy Spot]

It is late, I just got home, and I leave early in the morning to go out of town for a week. Sorry for not answering your questions right now. I will check in later this week.

[Greasy Spot]

Sorry for not being here. I am still on vacation - will be home tomorrow night. I agree with the comments from Mac and pop about goborage so

vote goborage

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You are right Shepherd. I will try to make some time today to read thru everything I missed recently.

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Currently doing a reread of the entire thread. I will post my thoughts shortly with explanations.

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Well it's been a while since I've been here and I'm sorry for that.

I just went thru and read the entire thread. I want to say "GOOD JOB!" to Shepherd for his analysis on Day 1 and to Mac for his keen ability to locate scum and pick them apart in reference to Malthius.

Shepherd stated in post 140 his trifecta of Malthius, Darla, and Populartajo and gave very good reasons they are the scum. Macavenger fingered Malthius first and Darla defended him. Then Populartajo joined in defending them both.

Then at the start of day 2, after Malthius was confirmed scum, Populartajo still defends Darla but later in the day they are throwing each other under the bus pretty hard.

Day 3 comes along with more bussing from Populartajo and a little defending of Darla from goborage.

Now at Day 4 I this we should look at Shepherds track record. 2 of the 3 people he fingered on Day 1 are confirmed scum. The other being Populartajo. The only other person that has been defending Darla and Malthius was Goborage. So I think we should look heavily towards Populartajo and keep an eye on Goborage.

The only thing that blows this out of the water is if Shepherd has done some SERIOUS bussing this entire game which I don't think he has. If he has he deserves to win anyway.

I don't know if I believe goborage's doc claim or not. It could be possible but it is mighty convenient. Hovever I think we should honor Shepherd and go with his first pick today.

unvote
vote: Populartajo

[Greasy Spot]

Greasy - what makes you think populartajo's play Day 3 looks like bussing? Because it very much looks like not bussing to me.

It could very well be scum hunting but the first 2 days he is defending Darla then the 3rd day he starts targeting her. On Day 3 he made 28 posts, 20 were about Darla (364,373,380,382,384,385,387,391,393,396,402,404,406,410,412,418,420,422,433,440) and 8 (359,363,366,415,425,427,429,446) were not. It could be genuine investigating but seems like bussing to me.

But I want you guys to investigate also. I think the anti-town player is either Populartajo or goborage (who was also defending her on day 2).

And Greasy you're wrong. Simple as that.

I could very well be wrong, but I am pointing out things for everyone to read for themselves. If I am wrong I am sorry but I think it's either you or goborage.

I will post some on goborage later tomorrow, but you all can look in the meantime.

[Greasy Spot]

I am a Miller
If I am investigated, I will get a guilty reading, telling them I am a werewolf
and That I win with the town when all the werewolves have been eliminated

Mine says "when all the werewolves are dead"

You make a stink about Darla claiming a win condition that was different from yours when mine is different from yours as well. Mine says I win when only the town is alive, so based on your actions we should vote for you for having a false claim right?

[Greasy Spot]

Mine says I win when only the town is alive, so based on your actions we should vote for you for having a false claim right

Say what? Full claim now, or die. The vanilla PM is on the front page, and that is not its win condition.

Unvote; Vote: Greasy Spot

I've already claimed before. I'm Teador and I'm a smoker. My PM does not say what that one says and I don't think the other townies role PM says that either. Everyone is a character I believe and no character is mentioned on the front page role. The rule states "1.8 The townie pm is as such: ". It doesn't say this is word for word what the townie PM will say.

[Greasy Spot]

Man, don't I feel stupid now. These games are all confusing me now. I am sorry. I gave info from another game I am in. My PM does say exactly what the front page PM says.

[Greasy Spot]

@Shepherd: My post 556 stating where I had already claimed in this game was a mistake. I was getting my roles per game confused. I am in Mini 588: Achewood Mafia and was reading that role PM. My role for this game does state as per the Page 1 Role. The character bit was in reference to the other game where everyone is a character (themed game). Sorry for the confusion.

As far as bussing Darla, populartajo defended her for 2 days before then targeting her. It could be an honest change of heart on his part but it didn't look that way to me.

[Greasy Spot]

how does you entire game play prior to this point help town in the slightest?

It doesn't really. I was busy in RL and didn't really want to play in this game.

I am still trying to understand the meaning of bussing.

It's when a scum starts targeting his partner trying to get them lynched.

[Greasy Spot]

Shit, I rule. Protected SoW. Bow down please.

Well unfortunately that doesn't help much. I doubt anyone would argue that SoW wasn't the most town player among us.

[Greasy Spot]

And I told you were the obvious lynch, but no one listened to me either.

[Greasy Spot]

EBWOP - And I told

them

you were the obvious lynch, but no one listened to me either.

[Greasy Spot]

Grease is my lynch choice today. He is mixing games together, which bothers me, because he claims such and never gets to the questions. He has done it two or three times now. He is presenting untrue statements on Popular.

2 or 3 times? I wrote something from another game 1 time. I don't know where you got 2 or 3 times. I haven't presented any truths on populartajo, I have presented my findings and my interpretations. I have never presented any untruths.

[Greasy Spot]

Can you show where I defended Darla D2?

No I can't, you were too busy defending yourself. My original argument against you was that you were still defending Darla on Day 2 and then started bussing her later in the day. I guess all those posts ran together. It turns out you did not defend her any after day 1, you started bussing her immediately on day 2. Sorry for the misrepresentation.

While Greasy's argument basically sucks, after review I agree with him that we should be going back and looking at the original trifecta again.

How does my argument suck when you just said what I already said 2 pages ago? I naturally agree with everything you said however.

vote: populartajo

[Greasy Spot]

I think your considered dead populartajo. I would like to continue or at least see populartajo's alignment and the remaining players Roles.

[Greasy Spot]

Alright cop who did you protect?

[Greasy Spot]

Goborage and Amor were the last to vote with Goborage being the hammer vote. I don't think it's Mac or shepherd so it's either Goborage or Amor. I am a Vanilla Villager.

[Greasy Spot]

I am truly at a lose here for any kind of truth. I am a Villager but if you want to sacrifice me to help the town then so be it.

If I vote right now I would be guessing so I'm holding my vote for now.

[Greasy Spot]

Scum doesn't want to be in a position where they will to hammer because it will bring attention to their vote. Scum will mostly vote someone before they get to the L-1 point so that they don't have to bring undo attention to themselves.

If Gobo has the PR he claims then the other scum is Amor.

vote: Amor

[Greasy Spot]

I got a question. Can a Mafia Roleblocker perform a kill if they are the only scum left?

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Except for the fact that I am Town.

[Greasy Spot]

And the rest of us know that because?

Well as you know I can't prove it and I've done a lousy job of showing it during the game, so I guess I'm asking you the take my word for it.

[Greasy Spot]

Go ahead.

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Warning long post from Greasy Spot so don't faint or nothing that might hurt you.


5. goborage replacing Rosso Carne, replacing ValiantValant

(Included replacements for clarity)

Some Rosso activity:

Rosso voted coheed in post 18 cause he voted DBE. Says don't mess with his girl.

Vount count - post 29
CoheedCambria09 (3) - Rosso Carne, DarlaBlueEyes, malthusis

(notice the other 2 scums)

Greasy Spot - (1) caf19
Shepherd_of_Wolves (1) - Amor
populartajo (1) - Travis
Rosso Carne (1) - Greasy Spot
malthusis (1) - CoheedCambria09



post 31 caf19 says "What's up with this teaming-up of Rosso and Darla? Unvote; vote: Rosso Carne obv"

post 34 malthius says "How do you get this? At worst it means that rosso is a stalker if anything. Darla didn't say anything about rosso. "

(defending by the scum buddy)

Goborage replaces Rosso Carne in post 89

POST 118 - goborage tells DBE to stop defending everybody.

Post 194 - Mac posted "For now stating who you'd be willing to lynch other than Smoke if it comes to that is probably good. If we do end up needing to shift the wagon, I'd probably be willing to go for DBE or goborage. The way DBE has been waffling about the Malthusis wagon is fairly scummy independent of his alignment as well as the defending thing, and I don't like goborage's lack of effort or his trying to define when is and is not good times to defend someone; seems pretty self serving to me."

Post 252 DBE makes this comment "Goborage -- seems pretty genuinely town, was scum hunting and actually thought about the lynch on smoke before bandwagoning, 80/20 town/scum"

Post 362 DBE says "Goborage - 70% town, Seems townie to me, very logical and scum hunting oriented. "

Post 397 goborage believes darlas miller claim.
Post 398 goborage warns her about quoting PMs.

Post 419 goborage says darlas case is a weak case. Says the case against me and populartajo is more scummy than DBE at the moment.

Post 439 DBE posts an analysis of the players and leaves out goborage.

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Post 449 Mac says "Speaking of people I have scum reads on, I did some rereading and poking around at stuff here. At this point, I'm going to propose that the remaining scum are DBE and goborage.

Bulk of the case on DBE has been laid out a lot, I don't feel the need to go over it again.

Looking at goborage:
Day 1 he was pretty useless for the most part. Had to be prodded hard by multiple players to get him to do something as basic as laying out what he thought about people, and even then he was extremely reluctant and gave very little information - basically giving everyone a neutral read. Discusses theory a bit, but makes little effort to actually find scum. Hops on the Malth/OG wagon when I started pushing for a lynch before deadline.

Day 2 makes the WIFOM argument that scum would be off Malth's wagon to vote for populartajo. Very convenient stance to take if both he and buddy DBE got on that wagon to be visible helping lynch scum. He basically lurks through all of Day 2, making a total of 6 very short, noninformative posts, and carefully avoids saying anything about the two main wagons of the day, DBE and xofelf. While his reasons for attacking tajo early D2 are not entirely bad, I don't like the WIFOM, or the fact that he then just sat his vote there the rest of the day without commenting on anything else particularly. He also says "lynching [Greasy] for being anti-town is as good a reason as any," making the implication that Greasy is a good lynch for anti-town behavior even if he's not scum. This argument always makes me twitch.

Today, he's posted a bit more, but has done basically nothing except defend DBE and attack Greasy.

Basically he's been closemouthed, posting as little information as possible, and has made no real effort to figure out who the scum are, just gone along with a few cases where it was convenient, and ignored the rest of the game.

Now, let's look at connections:

Malth/gobo connections are limited at best.
Malth/DBE connections are well documented.
Gobo/DBE connections:
Early D1, gobo tells DBE he doesn't like how she's defending everyone, and suggests she stop. She does so immediately. Later says her defending is a null tell, and criticizes people FoSing her for it.
D2 he didn't say much of anything, about anyone, but supports a GS or tajo lynch over DBE.
Today he's still trying to keep DBE out of the noose, attacking the idea that she might have been investigated, and pointing to other players as scummier.

The connections coming from DBE are possibly more interesting.
DBE doesn't talk about gobo Day 1. At all. She replies to a post of his a couple times, but never says anything about him.
Day 2 She still mentions him only once, putting him as strongly town on her list of everyone, claiming he'd been legitimately scumhunting and thought about the OG lynch. Except he hasn't done any scumhunting, at all.
She's mentioned gobo a couple times today, all saying he seems very town, and again claiming that he's logical/scumhunting, which is very off.

Right now I'm seeing DBE and goborage as both individually quite scummy and fairly strongly linked to each other. I'm happy lynching either at this point. Vote stays on DBE for now since she already has a wagon.

Still mildly suspicious of tajo for his flipflop/aggressive attacking my case D1, and coheed for lurking/wagoning. Those are both starting to look more and more like long shots though. "

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Post 466 Final Vote count for Day 3 had only darla and goborage voting me.

Post 486 Goborage claims doc. N1 I protected SoW. N2 I protected SoW. N3 I protected Mac.

Don't like this because why would you protect someone N3 after they called you out as scum in Post 449.

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Alright we know from the deaths that we have 2 confirmed werewolves, a martyr, and a wolfhunter (Jack of all trades). If we believe that Gobo is a doc as he says then we also have a doc. It would stand to reason then that the wolves would have a wolf roleblocker. In most cases the roleblocker can not kill and roleblock the same night if he is the only one left. If Gobo is the doc and has been blocked then the wolf is waiting for us to lynch enough of the townies that he can win with a NK.

I'm not believing goborage's doc claim at all. I think he might be a roleblocker that either can't kill or can only do one or the other and not both during the night.

Before goborage claimed doc he was the lynch target for that day. That evidence against him hasn't changed. He is still as scummy as before. He just picked a good role to claim.

unvote
vote: goborage

[Greasy Spot]

Well my experience is that the NK is a scum team power not one that is assigned to a particular person.

I'm still thinking that the setup is two NK scum and two non-NK scum. What does everyone else think? I'd really like to hear everyone's position on the matter.

At the very least you guys should agree that 2 and 1/2 scum is not balanced at all.
2 v 2 v 8 makes much more sense.

@ GS: the points you raise are really old. I'm thinking that you're just bringing them up again because people are breathing down your neck. And isn't a big hunk of that a Mac post? Why are you taking credit for his work?

Lol @

Warning long post from Greasy Spot so don't faint or nothing that might hurt you.

Exactly what % of that post is made by you?

Nice deflection there. The content doesn't have to be from me to be true. In fact I think it pulls more weight if more than one person sees you scummy. You were the top lynch candidate when you claimed doc. I don't really believe you and I don't think Mac and SoW do either. They made good points against you before you claimed doc. So if you truly are the doc why did you have so many people thinking you were scum.

And why did you protect Mac N3 after he was leading the charge against you on D3?

[Greasy Spot]

EBWOP:

Exactly what % of that post is made by you?

The point of the post was not to show my stellar scum hunting techniques. It was to show your interactions with Darla and Malthius, 2

known

scum. Along with the other players suspicions.

[Greasy Spot]

Will be out of town on the 25th and 26th. Posting in all games.

[Greasy Spot]

@ Mac: I believe some of those statements I posted earlier are your suspicions about goborage. How can you dismiss those? Just because there have been no NKs doesn't make his doc claim real. It was a gambit he is using to get the town numbers down and survive. Give up his NK for a confirmed townie position. I don't buy it.

[Greasy Spot]

I voted for amor after goborage claimed. After I did a reread I changed my mind back to goborage. I had already posted a suspicion of goborage earlier, it's not something where I threw everyones name in a hat and picked one.

[Greasy Spot]

I'm not even gonna say I told you so.


Good game all you guys. I know I sucked bad. Sorry for that. I was/am in too many games. I will remedy that from now on.

[Greasy Spot]

Grease, where did you come up with the flavor in your claim?

What flavor are you talking about? I think I said I was a Villager.