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[Maxous]

Checking in.

Nothing to really comment on in the first 3 pages

VOTE: ofrhz

[Maxous]

@profii: 19 players with an innocent child is probably 4 scum.

[Maxous]

VOTE: DVa

Why.

That's a strange choice.

[Maxous]

VOTE: creature

Compared to this?

Yeah.
I can understand the creature vote.

[Maxous]

If I wasn't already voting ofrhz, I would probably be starting now.
Pretty underwhelming imo.

I think Creature is getting rather easy town reads considering he's been all over the place early on

[Maxous]

If I wasn't already voting ofrhz, I would probably be starting now.
Pretty underwhelming imo.

do you frequently encourage policy lynching inactives?

it's not a policy lynch and he's not inactive.
he just popped in and intentionally said as little as possible

[Maxous]

If I wasn't already voting ofrhz, I would probably be starting now.
Pretty underwhelming imo.

I think Creature is getting rather easy town reads considering he's been all over the place early on

This deserves its own post

Spoiler:

meeeh

i don't think #187 was a good post either.

[Maxous]

@sephiroth, for some reason, I think your posts were attempting to tunnel. You also took back what you said immediately after. I don't think those are likely to come from someone who is town.
VOTE: sephiroth, at least for now.

woof.

I would give this leniency because it's seems you're fairly new but not a good vote.

[Maxous]

Seph - Nos slapfight seems like both town.

I'd be more confident about Sephiroth.

Creature is actually getting scummy in my book. He's keeps flailing when people ask him simple questions to explain what he wrote.

[Maxous]

Well i've caught up but not a lot i wanna comment on.

ofhrz & creature are still my scum-leans as of now.

[Maxous]

I didn't really like 347, there was a large gap between it and 271, I feel like there should have been a lot to comment on. He scumread Ohrz to begin with because he came in and said very little, so it seems a bit strange for him to go for long stretches without saying anything.

There really wasn't though.
I'm re-skimming that gap now and there was seriously nothing overly meaningful.
And i can't help but notice you don't have your own analysis of that period so..???

I have long stretches cause i'm catching up most of the time.

[Maxous]

I'm still not liking Creature who made a weak swipe at Garmr and then just fluff posted the rest.

I don't like the Flubber wagon.

[Maxous]

It's more interesting to me for my read if they post content on their own without me saying "boy I sure do suspect Nos and FA_Q because they're not really posting much" particularly when I have just voted Maxous who still hasn't reacted and also isn't posting much but also happens to be voting my townread.

react to what.
it was a vote with zero behind it except "he's voting ofrhz who i think is town"
and i don't think he is town, he

a) tried to fly under the radar, providing few opinions and explaining none of them

b) largely only reacted to people directing asking him a question.

[Maxous]

Town in no particular order:

Creature
Garmr
Profii
Ofrhz
Nosferatu
Dva
Flavor Leaf is last.

Slots I think I was supposed to be reading town but don't remember why:

Performer
AP, that would be unnatural

Null:

Xx
Carcalilly
Flubbernugget
Inferno
CT
FA_Q2 but could be scum

Probably scum:
Sephiroth
Maxous

Scum:
Shattiel

Taking a note to come back to this read-list later because i don't like it at all.

[Maxous]

I can see why people are getting on Shattiel's case but nah i don't think so.

I think he's just lazy-ish town

[Maxous]

Man there's really not much going on in this game, huh.

Which is EXACTLY why I was asking about MU users. This feels like a game on MU with like 3-4K posts (sometimes double as much if it's a really large game) but very little substance.

You get a TR for finally saying it aloud.

the more i think about it the more this post bugs me.
just seems like such buddying

[Maxous]

Soft shattiel defense, shading without depth. Do you want to hear my case on Shattiel or no? Probably not. I understand.

go for it.

[Maxous]

RCE, why do you scum read max?

Low input, I know what he thinks I'm exactly 4 slots minus the shade thrown towards AP which I kind of like but isn't outside of the realm of distancing.

That and his play is almost exactly parallel to his top scumreads play. In a nutshell doesn't contribute unless prompted, only responds when directly questioned with the exception of the AP shade and to say shattiel is getting scumread for being scummy but he's not scum.

that is objectively untrue.
I've given my thoughts on the relevant happenings everytime i posted.
There's just been a lot of noise at times

[Maxous]

The one that says "wait for maxous to confirm the masonry and do something else in the meantime"

I want to see max's response about what shattiel just did.

I was kind of amused some people took it seriously

[Maxous]

Flavor Leaf since you are confirmed town I'm going to empower your opinion
by giving you power of my vote
whoever you vote, I do too

my opinion of this slot dropped

[Maxous]

Max and I are actually masons

Did Max confirm? It would be easy for a Cop to verify TWO slots if that was the case. I don't think faking Masons is a large is at all a good idea, so I'm tentatively removing Max from my D1 lynch pool.

Anyone bothered that AP is suggesting a direction for any potential investigations here

I've been bothered by a few things he's writing lately.

Either drinking the kool aid or just scum who's aggressively buddying up to people.
But seriously, i really don't like how easily he's "removing people from his scum pool"
It doesn't feel like a genuine Process of Eliminatiuon *and* it has allowed him not to commit to any actual scum reads

[Maxous]

What is townie about Sephiroth or flubber? That is the question I am asking right now. Do you see anything that indicates a town thought process?

why is scummy about Sephiroth?
I can find zero explanation from you about it.
Instead you're just trying to get people to prove he's town.

[Maxous]

VOTE: AP

Shattiel and Seph are poor wagons imo.

Flubbernugget...i'm on the fence there. I'm struggling to get a proper read.

[Maxous]

What is townie about Sephiroth or flubber? That is the question I am asking right now. Do you see anything that indicates a town thought process?

why is scummy about Sephiroth?
I can find zero explanation from you about it.
Instead you're just trying to get people to prove he's town.

Regarding dva's post, it does not say that Sephiroth and flubber are scummy. It only asks if anyone can find anything towny about them, which I think is a rhetorical question. I have mixed feelings towards flubber right now.

he said earlier they were scum, provides zero reasoning why and then makes everyone else explain why they're town.

could be a playstyle thing but i really don't see me giving him a town-read anytime soon.

He ignored me as i thought he would.

[Maxous]

real glad FL is confirmed town cause i'm not dealing with that nonsense.

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I would hop on to one of the three big wagons if i liked any of them but i just don't.
At most Flubber is a nullish read

[Maxous]

well i'm 8 pages behind.

hang on

[Maxous]

Well, when you say things that reflect you not reading the thread, I will ask about that. You accused people of voting you out of poe when I don't think anyone is, so if you think that's unfair to ask about then, hmm, let me think about that

VOTE: Sephiroth

Shading me for asking you about shit that you say that doesn't make sense -- congrats, you're no longer a poe lynch to me

what is this nonsense

he literally said he was v/la and only skimmed the thread.

[Maxous]

that sounds more like a policy lynch lets talk about your scumreads.

Why does everybody bring up policy lynching so often? I have NO CONFIDENT SCUM READS. I thus opt to use my gut and I know my gut isn't a good tool (some players have good gut reads, but I'm not one of those), but I have no better alternative.

@AP:

remind what your scum-reads are cause i can only remember a weak one on carcilly

[Maxous]

Hi Gamma

VOTE: seph

still have a scum read here.

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I'm not sure why everyone is voting Sephiroth. I don't find him super scummy. I think this is a scum-driven wagon, but I might be wrong.

the confirmed town jumped on him and and think it did give licence for scummy players to jump.
i would guess 2 of them

[Maxous]

Oo...look at this Maxi, she done calling you out.

Response?

don't really have a scum-read on dva as i read further but that vote on Seph was still crap

i'll give a brief summary of where i'm at in a few minutes

[Maxous]

{Shattiel, Sephiroth, Garmr, Carcalilly}

These would be the four that come across as the most genuine and that i would be confident in calling town. Please don't ask for town-cases.

{Performer, Completly Trustworthy}

I would put these two players in the same bracket.
Their posting is competent and probing but nothing i couldn't see scum faking. They both come across are pretty strong players as well.
So, i have zero reason to scum-read them but wouldn't quite label them as town

profii

- town lean. I don't have any problem with him and he generally seems helpful and inquisitive. Doesn't come across as someone that would be particularly hard to read as scum

DVa

- probably town when i think about it. I think i have some real playstyle issues with his approach to people but ehh, Dva does seem to be genuinely scumhunting in his own way

xx2008

- hard to say. Reads are basic but he is a newer player. I'll put him on the shelf for now

Nosferatu

- seems town but he's intentionally obscure which is probably a playstyle thing. Hard to be too sure in the read.

RCEnigma

- i flip-flop a lot on reading this guy. I think my read here could hinge on some flips we get considering that read-list i highlighted earlier which i think is way off-base.

Flubbernugget

- I'm really struggling to get any proper read on Flubber here and i've tried a few times because of the wagon. I could see him being scum tbh though i don't feel strongly about it

Gamma Emerald

- wasn't too impressed with the catch-up to be honest. Came across as busy work that went nowhere.

Saudade

- *throws hands in air*
He's just lazy. I would lynch him.

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Still have the same 3 scum-reads.

Creature

- made a poor start to the game and flailed like crazy when people asked him simple questions about his reads. He's just sheeping the confirmed town now and is not even giving reads anymore.
Propably just trying to stay quiet and let the heat die down on him.

AP

- He has very few scumreads I can find for someone that has written so many posts. I think some of his town reads that he was giving were overly simplistic and fake to the point where i have a hard time believing he was genuine about them.

ofrhz

- I explained here my problem with his early play. Since then he's done nothing but sheep the confirmed town. Could be lazy town i suppose but meh, feels more like low effort scum

[Maxous]

VOTE: ofrhz

I'll try this again since there's a bit of interest.
If it doesn't go through I'll compromise on somebody before day end

[Maxous]

The guy that replaced Creature seems like a much better upgrade.

I'll reconsider that read.

[Maxous]

I guess Flubber is happening.

I hate to be on the fence about it...but i'm completely on the fence

[Maxous]

Ah I forgot.

Never put unclaimed people on L-1 in large games.

[Maxous]

Going through Flubber's ISO, I don't think he was buddies with Creature, now Nero Cain.
He pushed hard and early in a way i think was unnecessary even if he was bussing.

It's hard to draw much conclusions about Flubber's later votes because at those points he was under pressure for a lot of Day 1 and may have thrown some distancing in there.

[Maxous]

The combination of ofrhz being the largest counter-wagon to Flubber and if i remember right, Dva had him as a town read, would make ofrhz a stupid lynch today - so i'm dropping that.

I'll go over the votes on the Flubber wagon in a bit

[Maxous]

I need more time to try and sort Maxous, FA_Q2 & Flubber.

Early game, he just says he can't sort Flubber

I can sheep ofrhz because I'm too lazy to make my own case but I didn't like flubbers posts to begin with :>

VOTE: flubbernugget

Vote fixed. Please try to vote correctly.

So this means Flubber is Town. Right?

a little chainsaw defence of Flubber here.

My vote isn't doing much on Carca

UNVOTE:

I am firmly against the Seph wagon. I can vote either Flubber or Shattiel, but I dislike Carca on the former and Flubber himself on the latter.

I will wait to see how both wagons build to decide between the two.

I won't be voting Seph under any circumstances though.

Considering Flubber did flip scum, that bolded looks real bad.
Didn't want to jump on Flubber if he didn't need to but didn't want to be caught on the counter-wagon.

VOTE: Flubbernugget
I remember getting scumpings from this, and I don’t wanna vanity vote rn

Permission to sheep (and I will already assume permission granted)

VOTE: Flubber

this is the vote, for no reason.

[Maxous]

VOTE: AP

I din't like his Day 1 play either.

[Maxous]

Then that would beg the question, why why did he think Flubber was scum when he voted him?
Because he never gave an explanation, as far as i can see

[Maxous]

Maxous/Profii/Performer << One of these 3 is scum. I dunno which, but this early push on me feels unnatural

That’s another thing that bothered me - the thread has just opened and Maxous has gone from not posting much content in day 1 to flying straight in with a case on AP

Like I can’t be bothered to read up during night (busy IRL) so far I’m just reacting to people which is why I’m a bit scatty so far

Sure I guess people can make cases over night but what if that person got NKd - so that was making me think how did Maxous find all that so fast - perhaps planned

I didn't make the case overnight, in fact i mentioned at the start of the day i was going to look over everybody's votes on the wagon.
Though yeah, i did look at Flubber's ISO over the night.

As for the posting more - we have a scum-flip. there's more to work off so yeah, i can sink my teeth in better

[Maxous]

I think AP's defence is nonsense and my vote is staying.

He's trying to take credit for pushing the Flubber wagon through but

a) Flubber was under consistent pressure throughout the day before AP hopped on.

b) The counter-wagons on presumably town were dissolving and struggling, and as scum he probably seen the writing on the wall at that point. Or at least, it was likely enough that he felt he couldn't risk it

[Maxous]

There's nobody off the Flubber wagon I would want to wagon right now tbh.
Well Saudade is whatever, waste of a lynch, vig fodder maybe.

I think its almost certain he would of been chucked under the bus anyway, particularly in the latter half of day 1

[Maxous]

Really? You don't think Shortaru was light defending flubber in his catch up?

If AP disappeared from the game who's next up in your list?

I agree a lynch on saudade is a waste today.

I looked Shortaru over and I disagree he was defending Flubber.
It looked to me like was prodding admitally lazy votes from Garmr and Carcacilly.

Next on my list would probably be Gamma.
I don't really have a case on him though, I just think his long catch up posts were underwhelming and I haven't found a reason to think he's town.

[Maxous]

The result on AP isn't damning but it would be expected that scum was busy last night considering we whacked one on Day 1

[Maxous]

To clarify: AP is claiming to have roleblocked literally the one slot he knows for a fact didn't go anywhere - due to Performer's track result.
Quite a coincidence.

[Maxous]

Who'd he claim to RB?

Me.
AFTER Performer gave his track results on me.

You can judge AP's reasoning for yourself

[Maxous]

I'm still following along ftr.

I just still think AP is scum that's flinging shit against a wall.

[Maxous]

{Garmr, Sephiroth, Shattiel, Performer, Carcalilly} <== Very probably town

{Nero Cain, ofrhz, profii, RCEnigma} <== Probably town

- - -

{Ap} <== scum

{Gamma Emerald} <== Probably scum

{Saudade, xx2008, Nosferatu, Completly Trustworthy} <== The rest i'm not sure about


This is what i'm working off in terms of a read-list

[Maxous]

I'll try to explain the Gamma Emerald read.

I'll just say that for someone so active there's not a whole lot of reads out of him.
A lot of it is general commentary and asking questions rather than coming to reads and conclusions.
So looking busy - but not actually producing much

This was okay in Day 1 while he was catching up but it's Day 2 and there's still not a whole lot out of him.

Not caught up but intend to get caught up when I can
I know I am townreading xx200Late, I distrust Sephiroth for being so buddy-buddy with Flubber, but beyond that I’m not too sure

VOTE: sephiroth

This seems to be his only scum-read.

I thought his exchange with Nos was very weak too as i was going over the thread. He backed down way too easily imo.

I'm not giving him much points for Flubber vote, because it was an unexplained vote and then he didn't actually push it

[Maxous]

I guess win town points with FL, who likely doesn't make it to tomorrow anyways

He's also gonna be protected so thanks for letting us know you guys have a strongman.

VOTE: RCEnigma

You would have to know we have a protective to make this statement.

You would have to know we have a protective to make this statement.

both jailkeeper and bodyguard are protectives and it's just a safe general assumption to assume that there is protection. But yeah, protection ablities have already been claimed anyways.

What are your feelings on this Max?

I don't think it's a particular scum-slip if that's what you're asking

[Maxous]

VOTE: xx2008

It's the only one of these wagons I'm gonna compromise on.
He could be scum idk. I don't particularly see a reason to town read him.
Seph wagon is a hard no from me. Profii and Nero is a no.

[Maxous]

Maxous - convince me Nero town please I don’t see it

Because

a) Flubber aggressively went after Creature early in the game in a non-bussing way

b) Shortaru was questioning and prodding all the late wagon votes on Flubber when it was obvious he was going to be lynched. Something i don't feel like a scum-buddy would of done.

Plus i don't see what's wrong with Nero, i looked through your ISO and i'm don't really see your case as to why he's so scummy.

[Maxous]

Wagon analysis, let’s call it Wagonomics, points hard to Profii as well.

eh.

Looking at it, he was early on the Seph counter-wagon and late on the scum-Flubber wagon.
Plus not so great looking votes on Carcacilly and CT on Day 1

I can kinda see where this is coming from.

[Maxous]

Who’s absent from this list of 12 name?!? Maxous. That is actively staying away from it because partner Profii is pushing them, but Profii was sitting behind other people pushing it more.

Which would literally be the worst play as Flubber's partner.

You either defend him or you bus him.

Staying hands off from the situation means you are passively allowing your buddy to get lynched while getting zero town credit.

I haven't justified much of the scumreads on me but i'll say this: I know better than to sit on the fence when a buddy is getting lynched, Particularly when it would of been so easy to jump on Flubber as a "compromise"

[Maxous]

Kinda dissapointed you cleared me instead of one of the lurker slots.

We clearly have a power-heavy game here though

[Maxous]

Dva's Rolestopper makes sense with the two Jack of all Trades claims anyway

[Maxous]

I'm semi v/la due to an exam on Monday.

I have seen the short-ish deadline though, so i'll try to pop in when i can.

[Maxous]

@mod:

i'm v/la until tomorrow

- - -
RCE has claimed Vig.
I HIGHLY doubt that only a single scumteam can kill in a game with 19 players. Because that would drag out the game.
Ergo: I am very willing to believe his claim.

[Maxous]

Saudade is a bleh lynch as well.

I wouldn't take him to LYLO but it seems like a waste lynching him.
At least at this point anyway

[Maxous]

VOTE: xx2008

I'm against the Nero/Saudade/RCE wagons.
This lynch is fine, he's on my consideration list.
Particularly with Gamma claiming a weird role and therefore possibly not being scum.
I would be fine with xx2008 through PoE alone tbh

[Maxous]

Creature *was* scum.
I completely wifom'd my way out of that read.

I'll re read day 1 in a couple of hours in light of all the new flips

[Maxous]

Sorry, life got in the way there for the last couple of days.

Shattiel has been in my strong town-reads since day 1.
So has garmr, though i'm a little less confident in it.
RCE play's is a town-lean for me and i do believe his vig claim, i think mechanically it fits well.

I still think AP is a strong possibility to be scum.
With the remaining three i'm thinking xx2008>orfhrz>Saudade is terms of who i think the scum would be.

I'll try and actually do that read-back for day 1 by tomorrow

[Maxous]

alright got the prod.
i'll try and stop being so lethargic here

[Maxous]

VOTE: xx2008

placing vote here for now, as leaning this is the better lynch

[Maxous]

VOTE: xx2008

placing vote here for now, as leaning this is the better lynch

Why?

What do you think about xx’s associatives?

I think its the best utility as a slot that's hard to read.

I really don't think Shattiel is scum, while I think RCE is a dumb lynch.
I'm not feeling a Saudade lynch as FL seems to town read him strong.
I could always go for AP personally but others seem to town read him.

I haven't looked too closely at associates and last time I did anyway, I town read Creature for it.
Is there anything major I need to be looking at?

[Maxous]

The biggest thing was the wagon on xx that shortaru started near the end of day 1. It looked like shortaru was trying to derail the flubber wagon by questioning people who hopped on, and I think it’s unlikely he’d try to derail a wagon on one partner only to start another

I'll take your word for it as the argument makes sense

VOTE: AP

[Maxous]

I'll hammer if I must but I don't feel good about him flipping scum.

[Maxous]

His strategy of giving the confirmed town a double vote for the whole game does make an amount of sense to me

[Maxous]

VOTE: Saudade

[Maxous]

I just don't think Shattiel is scum

[Maxous]

I just don't think Shattiel is scum

I just don’t think Saudade is scum.

I don't really either.
It's not the lynch I want

[Maxous]

I'm busy all day tomorrow unfortunately but I'm gonna start :effortposting: on Saturday and get some proper reads.
Hold me to this if I don't, I've coasted way too much.

[Maxous]

The scum do seem unconcerned about AP blocking a kill.
Either he's scum or one of his biggest town reads is scum

[Maxous]

Okay, i finally have time.
I'm going to do a brief re-read right now of this game and see if i get anything new in retrospect

[Maxous]

Done.

Scum is AP & xx2008

Garmr is town. RCE is town.

If xx2008 flips town it's Saudade. But i don't think so. xx2008 was the scum designated bus, particularly from Nero.

Whatever about xx2008, AP should of been nailed in Day 2.

VOTE: AP

[Maxous]

My maintown townread on Garmr is his early game interactions with Creature.

He put him Creature under a lot of early pressure and to me it looked like Creature was trying to appease/buddy him to get him off. WHich i don't see as partners.
I actrually like his vote on Flubber as well. Doesn't feel like a buddy panicking or going for the town cred.

Besides that, i see nothing scummy about his play. Maybe the wagon analysis doesn't look great for him, but i personally wouldn't rely on that alone.

And reading back, i seriously seriously think AP should already been gone now. Every time he gets pressured his throws on the "i don't care about this game" AtE and then he backtracks on it, when the heat is off. I could point about specific examples. This was the worst one:

You have ct as scum AND in not sorted
you have AP as tr AND you voted him
Then you return to coasting

ap wants to die
im not gonna deny him

and we've both talked about ct... i thought u understood his place in the readlist.
i cant read him lol.

@Nos:

What's with the sudden flip on me? For real? Why did you take my sarcastic comment literally?

I was saying I'm not enjoying my role, and I was frustrated my wagon was growing before I even got what I wanted from Maxous. But then Performer claimed and Maxous would not have said anything, because it was outed he didn't go anywhere anyway, so I also claimed.

[Maxous]

I don't think i've liked AP's interactions with any of the wagons either.

He fence-sat the whole day 1 and jumped on Flubber for no reeason other than it looked like he was going to be lynch.
He completely ignored the profii lynch. no stance on it at all.
I think he mostly ignored the Shattiel lynch as well. Don't remember his thoughts on it.

[Maxous]

He completely ignored the profii lynch. no stance on it at all

and to add to this: he wasn't pushing an alternative at the time either. He just ignored everything going on and played defensive

[Maxous]

I'll take a reconsideration of Garmr tomorrow if i must but i'm sticking with AP.
I want him gone, i've wanted him gone for days.

I let a strong townread Shattiel get lynched yesterday and i don't want to do that again.

[Maxous]

I feel like a broken record about AP though to be honest.
Just not scum-hunting for large periods, reads he did make come across as weak and disingenuous, crap jump on Flubber and AtE'd three times in this game when he was under a lot of pressure.

and Garmr didn't exactly help himself the last couple of pages.
I hate writing town-cases and it's not like i can slam-dunk a reason why Garmr is definitely town.

It's not as if we're in lylo though, and i could be wrong.

[Maxous]

so fuck it.
Unless somebody has an objection we'll hammer and find out.

If i die, you know my recommendations, regardless of what Garmr flips.

Ap scum.
xx2008 was heavily bussed by his scumteam.

Particularly these quotes that came straight out of the gate on Day 3. Which looked like planning the bussing during the night to me.

I forgot alot of the finer details but I know was scum reading XX and RCE so I'm going to start there.

vote: XX

May I interest you in a slightly used scum read on XX?

[Maxous]

Saudade could technically be scum but i think he played a very risky and cheeky game if he is.
And upon my re-read he was more helpful than i remember him being at the time.
He didn't actually entirely coast off sheeping FL.
I and do think his strategy of constantly giving FL a double-vote does make pro-town sense.

[Maxous]

the most obvious reason to townread RCE is his investigative roles which are noticeably absent from everyone else.
They are limited which makes sense, i think his entire role makes sense with what we see, particularly how it complimented Performer's limited JoaT role and how both of those roles meshed well with Dva's rolestopper.
I felt like the way Nero pushed wasn't scum-scum anyway PARTICULARLY Nero accusing him of a scum slip

I guess win town points with FL, who likely doesn't make it to tomorrow anyways

He's also gonna be protected so thanks for letting us know you guys have a strongman.

VOTE: RCEnigma

Besides in general don't see any scummy flags from him to be honest. If he is scum, he's played a very solid game imo

[Maxous]

"hurr durr my posts aren't AI because they're jokes"

Lol tell me what makes a memes scummy while another null and make sure to point out my intentions. All this With out hitting a negative IQ score please.

The same way it's possible to read someone off RVS posts.

Garmr is town

hehe I remember redding him a lot

but redding someone a lot sometimes doesn't mean scum

He probably should have more greens rn

Seph - Nos slapfight seems like both town.

I'd be more confident about Sephiroth.

Creature is actually getting scummy in my book. He's keeps flailing when people ask him simple questions to explain what he wrote.

I agree with this but in reverse I'm more confident in Nos than seph. Want to join the creature wagon then apply more pressure?

garmr is still doing nothing in the pretense of "pressuring" creature because his vote is on him.

I find it hard Garmr actually believes he's pressuring me

[Maxous]

> Attackes Garmr over RVS bullshit
> buddies up to him with a town-read, when Garmr pushes back
> goes back to throwing bullshit when it doesn't work.

don't see that as buddies

[Maxous]

In general, i would be surprised if Nero din't bus at least one of his buddies.

[Maxous]

No, we don't lynch AP today.

Wheter the scum is AP or whoever else they're trying to be too smart.

6 players remaining now.
we lynch whoever => 5 players remaining going into night 6 (Assuming we don't just nail scum)

So on the next night either the scum HAS to kill with AP submitting a roleblock or they give the town an extra lynch.

[Maxous]

So just to 100% clarify how this logically plays out.

We lynch out of {Saudade, RCE, XX2008} or even me if you must - though i do still have RCE's clear.

AP will roleblock whoever Flavour Leaf tells him to roleblock in advance.
It doesn't matter if the target is public knowledge at this stage.

So if presumably Flavour Leaf is killed in night 6, we will have 4 players remaining with a guaranteed clear of whoever AP targeted.
If the scum decide to no-kill gambit or if AP targets the final scum, then we will have 5 players remaining which gives us two lynches until end-game instead of one.

Might sound tedious but it's the safer way to wrap the game up

[Maxous]

Not a f'n chance I would of no killed last night. I think it was a big mistake.
If I was scum I wouldn't of let so many PR's survive this long in general anyway.
Killing Orfhz was crazy.

[Maxous]

I'm vanilla town.
Done nothing the whole game.

[Maxous]

Town Joat
N1: disloyal vig shot - Maxous
N2: cop check - CT
N3: Commuted (untargetable)

I am leaning Maxous, tbh. I forget why he was mechanically town.

I had blocked him on N1 and RCE has some sort of clear on him.

I blocked Max, Garmr, RCE and RCE (again), then Ni Action on N5

The night1 actions of these two seemed to have perfectly canceled out our knowledge about max's alighment.

Uhh no.
AP blocked me, not RCE.
So his vig shot still went through and I'm still alive, ergo I'm town.
None of the flipped scum roles could of protected me and nobody has claimed anything that could of altered that action.
Techincally I could be a scum bulletproof or something but the probability odds of RCE hitting the one scum role that could stop his shot on Night 1 is stupid low.

[Maxous]

Personally I would go with lynching Saudade, Flavour Leaf nominates AP's roleblocked target and if the game is still going we see what the scum decides to do.

[Maxous]

Before anyone hammers anything I want 100% clarification from AP on who is being blocked tonight.
I want no bullshit on this

[Maxous]

You know what fine.
It's not the safe lynch but I do think it's the most likely to hit scum.
If we end up in a straightforward lylo 2moro then fuck it, I'll deal with it.
I've been calling him scum for days, may as well back it up.

VOTE: AP