Team Mafia 2020: Open Setup - Game Over

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THERE NO FUCKING WAGON ON SALT YOU ...... THING

You'd be vote 1. I would be vote 2. Elsa would be vote 3.

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And im at 4, and elsa at 4.

Yes.

No Elsa's not. All the town slots have given their opinion on Elsa.

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Wagon momentum would be onto scum though. Plus in your mind NaCl Hectic should be viable.

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You know if it is nacl/unwnd id owe elsa a small apology.

Great. Can you vote NaCl now? I am only voting you because it's the best slot I can get. I've made that abundantly clear.

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Well time to peace out for the weekend. Work and God daughter time.

I might show from time to time.

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Yes, I know the post in which it first appeared,

I don't know where she got that number from.

2 failed attempts, 1 successful one

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2 failed attempts, 1 successful one

How do you know how many failed attempts I made? I didn't post them...

Collective attempts but if you made the same amount of failures individually that kinda proves my point.

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@Hectic, Elsa's not a lyncher.

Pisskop won't vote his scumread which would derail his wagon and make scum NaCl viable. That's Pisskop distancing.

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He instead attacks my methods because he knows his partner flips scum and I'll be right back on him given the consensus on Nancy town. So he'll go for a mislynch on Elsa instead.

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He instead attacks my methods because he knows his partner flips scum and I'll be right back on him given the consensus on Nancy town. So he'll go for a mislynch on Elsa instead.

Do you really think Me / Piss are scummates together lol

No. Smh. Pisskop and NaCl.

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1.19
The same names from NaCl form the pops wagon, minus Pine but a bit slower. The first two are locktown. Elsa probably isn't scum due to earlier wagons (which I can elaborate on if needed). So if pops was a bus it would have to be SS or pisskop.

I don't buy 1.19 being all town. SS doesn't feel scummy by play or by wagons (well by play excludes today).

NaCl and pops have similar wagon compositions suggesting the targets share an alignment.

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Eddie, with respect, can we not start a new wagon is the NaCl? The high participation rate suggests one is scum?

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You can start a NaCl wagon! In his scum game with Pops that I linked, there was a decent amount of theater and I saw his scum game was actually pretty good.

I still don't think I'm moving my vote from unwnd, though.

I tried an NaCl wagon, no one would join. Why would I try again? I tried everything from cooperation to blackmailing scum. The only wagon that would ever take on a suspect is Pisskop

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You think unwnd is town?

Yes.

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Can you case that please?

Sure. After unwind unvoted, the pops wagon ended. It looks as if scum gave us. However, there is a counter argument Krazy is scum by NaCl.

I don't like it though because Krazy's frustration looked genuine AND town.

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VOTE: Pops

@Eddie, I am just apathetic and exhausted IRL.

VOTE: unvote

He unvoted 4 posts after you (momentum stopping) and when he was the new third competing wagon (making it Eddie v Pops v unwnd). At the point Pops and Unwnd are competing wagons, its pretty clear I am now viewed as townie; I was very evidently not aligned with either of them. So I don't think its overtly townie to unvote at that point and more null, because its pretty clear I'm not dying.

To be clear, I still have you as hard town and I don't think you're with unwnd. I just don't agree.

I understand. Based on vote history, his only partner is NaCl though.

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That would make pops an all town wagon, and I'm not a fan of that.

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Nancy, could you summarize your opinion on Titus and Pisskop? I want to make sure of where you stand.

For Titus is it "I think she's town but I don't trust her reads".
And for Pisskop it's "I think he's probably scum"?

Well she’s wrongly sr me, so is this a serious question? Yeah, when it comes to me, she’s being blind town.
I liked DDL’s case, based on his position on the wagon and his Eddie votes are the most suspicious, since Elsa only voted after Krazy made the “massive apology” post and Krazy was possibly omgussing.

There's a difference between you're in my scumpool versus I'm lock scumreading you.

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I don't think so? What precludes him from being with Piss, Bob, Hectic?

Wagon positions.

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Votecount 1.21

popsofctown (5) -

Eddie Cane, Amrun, Something_Smart, pisskop, Elsa Jay

Pine (3) -

Hectic, Krazy, Nancy Drew 39

NaCl (2) -

Pine, Titus

Titus (1) -

bob3141

Something_Smart (1) -

DrDolittle

DrDolittle (1) -

OkaPoka

Eddie Cane (1) -

popsofctown

Not Voting (1) -

NaCl

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

If you're looking at this in a vaccum, Krazy NaCl and bob would work. Yet that's too many scum. NaCl bob could be a thing.

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Votecount 1.22

popsofctown (5) -

Eddie Cane, Amrun, Something_Smart, Elsa Jay, Titus

Eddie Cane (4) -

popsofctown, Krazy, pisskop, OkaPoka

Pine (2) -

Hectic, Nancy Drew 39

NaCl (1) -

Pine

Titus (1) -

bob3141

Something_Smart (1) -

DrDolittle

Not Voting (1) -

NaCl

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

Here would be a scum overload.

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In the world where Krazy and Pops are both scum, I am clearly a massive threat to the scum team, so overloading on me is fine. Although like I said, I don't believe its likely that Krazy Piss Pops is the solve.

Then, they could create a second counter wagon on Hectic, with momentum.

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@Nancy, I don't ignore charisma. I just value it less than hard data. I'm much easier to manipulate and more vulnerable to group think and are than that. There's a reason town is better at themes. Charisma is just a popularity contest.

There's a decent chance you're town but I detest you're on every single counter wagon to pops EXCEPT NaCl.

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There are arguments for Titus, S_S, pops, Nancy, and piss for town

The rest of this post is okay on the surface. However, why is Pops listed in the town reads? This is Krazy's 38th post and his first mention of Pops at all, and previously Pops was shading him.

So what? I hardly mention bob because he's not a presence. Same with NaCl early. You don't have to interact with someone to TR them.

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Votecount 1.01

With 13 players, it takes 7 to lynch

Vorkuta (5) L-2 ~

Vorkuta PenguinPower, NaCl, benhalkum, RCEnigma

Hoptic (1) ~

Gamma Emerald

benhalkum (1) ~

Hoptic

Not Voting (6) ~

Unstuck in time, Platinum Phoenix, tris, NorwegianboyEE, Beta Sapphire, ceejayvinoya

Mod Notes

NaCl is V/LA on 8/31 and 9/1

The day will end in (expired on 2019-09-13 07:03:00)

It was the third vote. Scum don't do the second vote. Changing facts doesn't work.

???

Are you seriously suggesting that the second vote on any wagon is always town?

Hell no. I'm stating scum don't draw attention to each other in RVS.

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Spoiler: Teams I am considering

NaCl - bob
NaCl - Pisskop (most likely)
NaCl - Nancy (least likely)

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I should add Pisskop - Bob too

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No, it’s a helluva a lot more than “decent”. You - for whatever reasons - are simply choosing to ignore the obvious.

You have been absolutely insulting, manipulative and demeaning to me and my teammates to this game and expect a townread, knowing that I judge people based on how their actions benefit town or scum. (Well you should know that given meta.)

You're acting a lot like my soon to be her husband and throwing a tantrum when you aren't getting exactly what you want from me*. It's exhausting to deal with and it makes me doubt you. It also makes me not want to try to sort you independently given any attempt to do so is met with an entitled "it's obvious" or something along the lines of you suck or your methods suck.

I can work with you because you're probably town but not out of my PoE. That's literally the best I can do with you riling me up and pushing my buttons this much.

*I hate to bring that up, as I don't think you're a devil like he is. I think you're a great person. I just want you to understand my mindset and how your attitude is counterproductive to get what you want.

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If there's one good thing that's come out of these Titus-Nancy squabbles, it's the fact it's made me like Titus a lot more.

Thank you. I like you too. *hugs for all*

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The last 10 pages were noise. Let's consolidate. Is there anyone that strongly prefers pisskop or Elsa over unwnd?

Yes. I won't vote Elsa or unwnd. Period.

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If I was compromising yet again, I'd go Bob. NaCl, Pisskop and Bob are the only ones I'll vote today.

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"Reaction testing" to "look town".

Pisskop's capitalizing on Elsa's genuine reaction test.

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The first five votes on the unwnd wagon are town...and wrong.

I hope Eddie was joking about being the phone operator so we can actually lynch scum today.

VOTE: NaCl

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Just for the record, the three best suspects are Pisskop, NaCl and Bob who clearly don't give a damn which townie is lynched.

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ur going to need to be more convincing

Yeah, well the fact that NaCl wagon matches Pops wagon, NaCl has lurked this wagon and day away, NaCl refuses to take a stance on the wagons, Pisskop has NaCl in his lynch list aka 3 man solve but would refuse to vote him to save himself @ L minus 1, pisskop cheerily votes someone outside of his solve and immediately claims his read evolved...

Yeah, I'll take lynch them for 500 Alex.

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If that's not enough facts for you, you won't be convinced by facts and I'm wasting my breath.

Bob's lurking is also an acceptable policy lynch if you think I am wrong on one of the two.

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I also forgot pisskop editing Elsa Jay's post by replying with a quote

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Well there's still time to get off unwnd.

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Meh the last realistic Nancy scum scenario died when Nancy flipped scum.

NaCl, Pisskop, SS and Bob is the pool I'd vote gtmh.

Strongly prefer NaCl or Pisskop though.

VOTE: NaCl

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I also don't think that I'd hold it against scum if they gave up.

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Meh the last realistic Nancy scum scenario died when

Nancy

flipped scum.

NaCl, Pisskop, SS and Bob is the pool I'd vote gtmh.

Strongly prefer NaCl or Pisskop though.

VOTE: NaCl

Lolwut?

Bold should be unwnd.

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My pool is strictly in (pisskop, hectic, Bob) but subjected more heavy screening

hooo doodles. hang on to your horses.

who did you doc?

@DDL, do not answer this.

This question is antitown, since you know doc is indecisive.

Um scum also know this?

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Lol I don't exist. Cool.

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Lol. Ok. Sure. You know there's a category called obvtown right? No one's townie than conftown.

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VOTE: Pisskop

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I am so happy my NaCl tr was correct.

I still think DDL is town on play, completely ignoring he was very likely saved.

And Titus with her ridiculously wrong VCA, was sr me for never being on NaCl wagon, oh the irony!

True. I was convinced he was scum. I think this new medication I am on may impact my VCA abilities.

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I am so happy my NaCl tr was correct.

I still think DDL is town on play, completely ignoring he was very likely saved.

And Titus with her ridiculously wrong VCA, was sr me for never being on NaCl wagon, oh the irony!

True. I was convinced he was scum. I think this new medication I am on may impact my VCA abilities.

That’s usually why VCA works a lot better, once you have flips. Since NaCl was never flipped. not a great basis to form AI based associatives with.

I normally don't for precisely that reason but I was so sure NaCl was scum.

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now neither flipped scum wee on any of the hectic wagons

Hectic (5) - Pine (t), OkaPoka (t), pisskop (t), armum, Nancy Drew 39 (x)
Hectic (7) - Pine (t), pisskop (t), Nancy Drew 39(x), DrDolittle (t), OkaPoka (t), titus, elsa

Does this mean hectic is scum, titus or elsa is scum. Or that all 3 scum were off it.

As when pops tried to back up her push on armum

"As for Amrun allowing Hectic to live, my read of the situation was that Amrun felt that Hectic wagon would be an unpopular event D2 and hopped off of it. I don't see the two as buddies."

was this her personal view?

Amrun could be scum. That was Math's VCA pick but he hadn't been keeping up. He still thought DDL was doctor and wanted the same NaCL lynch. Guess we're just salty.

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I think anyone suspecting me is actually suspect. I’m not usually like that but I think my play this game is so extremely clearly not-scum-with-pops that painting it any other way can be scum motivated.

Now how is it scum motivated to state a fact that you being scum is theoretically possible? You're not even my biggest scumread and I'm cooking my jets because of my mental health. Why so defensive?

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Bob, where have you been?

Intelligent post here that puts the last scum.

Confess!

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Why am I still here?

My bet is you healed Oka so they shot her over you? Where did you guys disagree?

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VOTE: Bob

You're hammered Bob. Did we win?

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UNVOTE: Bob

Worth a shot.

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My issue with Elsa, is that she is just not doing ~anything~

Seconded. I might vote there because Math has SRed the slot since go but I can't deny the Bob associations look bad.

My favorite vote is SS though.

VOTE: SS

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Math really wants me to hammer. I just don't feel good about it.

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I am not going to vote anyone this real world day. I need to sit down and review the wagons.

Math still wants Nancy but has resigned Nancy is not a viable wagon. He called me last night and told me SS was the doctor. I was quite shocked lol. My gut likes the NaCl solve because a townbeard still appears in my VCA.

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I might vote faster if someone can color code the scum wagons etc. I am going to be on the road all day today for work. No promises though.

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What's a townbeard?

A townie who is usually good and trying but consistently votes wrong. It's like twtbaw but for VCA.

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DDL locktown for that case.

Nancy, if he targets Oka night 2 and it's blocked, then he knows Oka's a safe kill on night 3.

Is that what you really think happened? But why wouldn’t you assume that SS saved DDL? Because if NaCl targeted Oka, then he logically should have died N2, no?

Math linked me to one of SS's posts. DDL was higher in his town block so I'm more inclined to think DDL was the save.

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Votecount 1.26

popsofctown (5) -

Eddie Cane, Amrun, Something_Smart, Elsa Jay, Nancy Drew 39

Eddie Cane (3) -

popsofctown, Krazy, pisskop

DrDolittle (2) -

Titus, OkaPoka

Pine (1) -

Hectic

NaCl (1) -

Pine

Titus (1) -

bob3141

Something_Smart (1) -

DrDolittle

Not Voting (1) -

NaCl

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

To here eyeballing vca

Hectic and OkaPoka should be town by vca

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Votecount 2.10

Elsa Jay (4) -

unwnd, Hectic, OkaPoka, pisskop

pisskop (4) -

DrDolittle, Nancy Drew 39, bob3141, NaCl

NaCl (2) -

Titus, Elsa Jay

unwnd (1) -

Amrun

Not Voting (2) -

Something_Smart, Eddie Cane

With 13 players alive it takes 7 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2020-01-28 02:10:00).

VOTE: NaCl

We know scum realistically shouldn't care because these are TvT wagons. Unwnd scum is already on Elsa, making it highly unlikely the partner is.

I'm supposing Amrun is not likely to bus, given the situation.

Everyone else off the two major wagon is high probably town or conftown.

That leaves DDL, Nancy, Bob and NaCl.

I don't care to vote Nancy or DDL.

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titus you omitted bob

I'm ok with a bob vote, due to a large gap in his scumhunting in earlier days. I prefer NaCl.