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[Guillotina]

14 days? Lol.

Wow

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Guillotina

Stealing my first post

VOTE: JacksonVirgo OMGUS vote and also for casting a vote against the god of mafia, puny mortal.

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Guillotina

Stealing my first post

VOTE: JacksonVirgo OMGUS vote and also for casting a vote against the god of mafia, puny mortal.

Are you saying my vote is OMGUS? If so, that's wrong lol

No noob, mine is. This is gonna be a ling day...

[Guillotina]

14 days? Lol.

Wow

Impatient? We can end the day quicker by voting someone out.
VOTE: Guillotina

Go ahead

[Guillotina]

Guill are you a hydra

You dare to confuse me with a monster? Repent puny mortal!

[Guillotina]

Ok. I never got this role before but judging by what it does, I think it is best for town to know it, I'm an Ascetic Townie, what a crappy role to get, thank you mod!

[Guillotina]

Ok. I never got this role before but judging by what it does, I think it is best for town to know it, I'm a Town Doctor, what a crappy role to get, thank you mod!

VOTE: innocentvillager for being a smartass

[Guillotina]

Im not

[Guillotina]

what’s your mafia experience then

Besides being the god of mafia, not a lot.

[Guillotina]

im genuinely curious as to how much mafia you have played online lol

I've been playing since may this year.

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Guillotina

Looks like a new player pretending to be experienced

I think you mean the other way around

Im flattered!

UNVOTE:

[Guillotina]

im genuinely curious as to how much mafia you have played online lol

I've been playing since may this year.

where?

Im not sure if is against the rules mentioning other mafia sites here.

VOTE: Guillotina

Looks like a new player pretending to be experienced

I think you mean the other way around

Yeah. That guy's account has gotten alt written all over it.

lol

if he’s an alt like, whatever, but I am interested as to why it feels like he’s being kind of weirdly cagey and minimalist about the whole experience thing

I’d like to ask him another question but I kinda want him to be here to answer it

Shoot away

[Guillotina]

hello

Can you go into detail on why you decided to claim? The whole thought process

Sure. I believe a doctor or cop ability would be wasted on me.

[Guillotina]

Im not sure if is against the rules mentioning other mafia sites here.

it is absolutely not

And I did ask the question just in case you didn’t see, if you did ignore this

I started in XHF Network then i discovered Mafia Universe where ive been playing and hosting non stop.

[Guillotina]

no huge rush, but it would be less suspicious if you responded to this somewhat wuickly

Well. I have a life and other things to do so pardon me in the future if im not on-call for you next time. Like...really?

[Guillotina]

that alone made you confident enough to claim?

is claiming our of the gate on the sites you play on common meta there?

I did what thought it was right for me and my faction. I dont care about what's common or unorthodox. I believe town can benefit if a cop checked someone who can be investigated or a doctor protected someone that can be saved. I'm aware im an easy kill for wolves now but who gives, i'll just play these 14 days like they will be my only ones in this game.

You are welcome.

[Guillotina]

I'm aware im an easy kill for wolves now but who gives, i'll just play these 14 days like they will be my only ones in this game.

But how do you know that to be the case? Are you one of those players that thinks they are so good at the game that their kill takes precedence over everything?

That is up to you and everyone else to determine. Im not a self proclaim god of mafia for nothing.

[Guillotina]

UNVOTE: innocentvillager

[Guillotina]

Oh dear me...

What? Are you an atheist? You shall believe in me mortal.

[Guillotina]

14 days? Lol.

Wow

Impatient? We can end the day quicker by voting someone out.
VOTE: Guillotina

Ok. I never got this role before but judging by what it does, I think it is best for town to know it, I'm an Ascetic Townie, what a crappy role to get, thank you mod!

VOTE: guillotina

their first post pinged me hard and they haven't gotten better. their claim is interesting, but i don't really townread them for it.
norwee seems town, as does iv (?) null on everyone else.

Why pinged you hard from my first post and what is better from your perspective?

[Guillotina]

I'm inclined to think that the doctor claim was a joke

No shit!

::Sarcasm Intensifies::

[Guillotina]

Well guys, if you don't believe me, there is a sure way to find out. Doctors, Cops, Trackers or any PR that is not a killing action. Visit me tonight.

I looked more into my role and how players are supposed to play with it and now I know I did the right thing, it is like getting the Miller role, if you don't claim it at SoD1 that's sus!

If you doubt my alignment consider this. If I was mafia I would never ever claim this role! Imagine being immune to investigations and detection roles, I could fuck so much with your minds! I'd perform all night kills without a worry for a tracker to catch me!

There is no scenario where a wolf will claim this role for town cred at SoD1 when there is so much more than can be done to confuse town and kill you safely in your sleep. If you think otherwise, you are still a noob no matter how many years you have played this game and this is coming from a noob who doesn't give two capawongas about your fragile egos.

Now I'm gonna catch wolves.

[Guillotina]

Doctors, Cops, Trackers or any PR that is not a killing action. Visit me tonight.

Ewwwww~
Asking PR’s to waste an shot on you as an ascetic townie just to prove the ascetic part?
Are you scum claiming?

No, Im doing the opposite of that. Stop twisting my words to try to drive a miselimination.

[Guillotina]

why did you only look more into your role now...? And not when you got your role pm

did you not think to look it up before your claim?

Because you guys made me doubt for a minute.

[Guillotina]

just to be clear

you have never seen this role before right? Or played with it? even on MU and your other site?

No, never. I've hosted games and never seen it on my homesite's database or if it is I missed it.

[Guillotina]

Doctors, Cops, Trackers or any PR that is not a killing action. Visit me tonight.

Ewwwww~
Asking PR’s to waste an shot on you as an ascetic townie just to prove the ascetic part?
Are you scum claiming?

No, Im doing the opposite of that. Stop twisting my words to try to drive a miselimination.

So anyone that remotely questions you are scum driving an miselimination?
Also i do believe you said exactly that. You told PR’s to visit you and not target actual scum (from your POV) just to prove the ascetic part of your role is real. (Which we already believe, it is your allignment that’s under question)

Are you for real? A cop would fail to check my alignment too, it acts like a roleblock except it blocks every action that is not a killing action. Of course I don't want investigation abilities to be wasted one me, that is the WHOLE POINT OF MY CLAIM.

[Guillotina]

I'm aware im an easy kill for wolves now but who gives, i'll just play these 14 days like they will be my only ones in this game.

But how do you know that to be the case? Are you one of those players that thinks they are so good at the game that their kill takes precedence over everything?

That is up to you and everyone else to determine. Im not a self proclaim god of mafia for nothing.

You’re like a weird converse of mastina I s2g (which is outlandishly funny given how your name reminds me of her).
Please ask me what I mean because I’d love to show you first-hand what I mean.

Ok, I'll bite. What do you mean?

[Guillotina]

I'm aware im an easy kill for wolves now but who gives, i'll just play these 14 days like they will be my only ones in this game.

But how do you know that to be the case? Are you one of those players that thinks they are so good at the game that their kill takes precedence over everything?

That is up to you and everyone else to determine. Im not a self proclaim god of mafia for nothing.

You’re like a weird converse of mastina I s2g (which is outlandishly funny given how your name reminds me of her).
Please ask me what I mean because I’d love to show you first-hand what I mean.

Ok, I'll bite. What do you mean?

Subject: Team Mafia 2018: Inventions Mafia Day 4

This video should be explanation enough.

You’re like a weird converse of mastina

I s2g

What is s2g? Sorry but I'm really bad with abbreviations

[Guillotina]

can we please move on from the claim? its NAI. in a game that just ended today i was scum ascetic and claimed it. sort guillo based on content not based on the claim.

Did you claim it at SoD1?

That said, I agree on sorting me based on content not on claim.

[Guillotina]

muh, comments on guillotina? Seems like you were sussing them earlier

I was suspicious of him because his behavior seems very scripted to me. But the claim seems believable enough that there's no reason to further pursue.

What do you mean by "scripted"?

[Guillotina]

If I signed up for a Pokemon game I'll vig myself.

What the actual fuck?

What? I'd vig myself if I ever signed up for a Pokemon game too. It sucks!

Same for Star Wars or Power Rangers

[Guillotina]

To me a day 1 doctor claim is not something a scum team would come up with. If anything it gives town red.

Town cred? Doctor is a very important role, if you claim doctor on Day 1 and it's real, you are playing against your wincon.

[Guillotina]

well im trying to derail the muh wagon.

wouldn't surprise me.

What makes you say that?

[Guillotina]

what does w/e mean? sorry

[Guillotina]

What do you mean by "scripted"?

It's apparent you wanted to make a grand entrance into the game with your persona. So the tone is overly dramatic.

I'm super dramatic and I got a big ass ego. How is that alignment indicative?

[Guillotina]

What does IIOA mean?

[Guillotina]

I'm super dramatic and I got a big ass ego. How is that alignment indicative?

Given it's D1, we need something to get the game going which is why I pushed you a bit on it.

Pushing for something that is NAI is how you usually get the game going? Or just in this game?

[Guillotina]

Information instead of analysis
I’m pretty sure both the wiki for this site and the mafia universe wiki have good glossaries on mafia terms?

Ok. Sorry I asked

[Guillotina]

14 days? Lol.

Wow

Impatient? We can end the day quicker by voting someone out.
VOTE: Guillotina

Ok. I never got this role before but judging by what it does, I think it is best for town to know it, I'm an Ascetic Townie, what a crappy role to get, thank you mod!

VOTE: guillotina

their first post pinged me hard and they haven't gotten better. their claim is interesting, but i don't really townread them for it.
norwee seems town, as does iv (?) null on everyone else.

Why pinged you hard from my first post and what is better from your perspective?

Hey! I asked you a question. VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

[Guillotina]

tbf, I think my only real townread is guillotina at this point :/

could you talk about why you are town reading no one else except this person?

If you look up two posts above you, you will find it.

Still don't understand the relevancy of finding out if it was experienced or not to believe in my claim or not. I just have to accept everyone scumhunts in different ways than my own.

[Guillotina]

tbf, I think my only real townread is guillotina at this point :/

could you talk about why you are town reading no one else except this person?

If you look up two posts above you, you will find it.

Still don't understand the relevancy of finding out if it was experienced or not to believe in my claim or not. I just have to accept everyone scumhunts in different ways than my own.

Never mind i misread the question.

[Guillotina]

Anyone have any stats on how often people requesting replacement are scum?

Even if there was, talking about it is angleshooting, I'd suggest you stop.

[Guillotina]

If you look up two posts above you, you will find it.

*twitching intensifies*

I like really really really REALLY don't like you answering a question directed @ IV.

you're his sole town read. He's implied that he's not town reading me b/c he's salty that I light suspect him but he hasn't (at least off the top of my head) really talked about why he's not town reading any of

Glitch
JacksonVirgo
muh316
Tayl0r Swift
NorwegianboyEE
Gamma Emerald
TheGoldenParadox
Albert B. Rampage
NoPowerOverMe
May
Non lmh
Kanna

so I think that asking him to explain why he's not town reading other slots is a pretty valid question. Why did you feel like its such an invalid one that you needed to interject?

No way IV and Gull are scum together and staged a back and forth, right? RIGHT!?

Still don't understand the relevancy of finding out if it was experienced or not to believe in my claim or not. I just have to accept everyone scumhunts in different ways than my own.

by his own admission, he wasn't scumhunting you. He was already town reading you and he was trying to "improve his town read" I don't think he's done any scumhunting so far and also it feels like since his back and forth with you he's been really absent from the thread.

I said i misread the post right after i posted it. I really really really really dont care if you dont like interactions with you on questions you make to others, if this really bothers you, dont play Mafia.

I understand scumhunting as the process of trying to find scum so him making me questions to “improve his townread on me” is part of that process.

[Guillotina]

Well it's my mistake too b/c I missed your "i misred your post"

Then it's settled.

[Guillotina]

but there are 15 other slots besides you and him and feels like he's done nothing but exclusively target your slot. So to me it doesn't feel like he's flailing out and scumhunting.

What do you think of Norway?

[Guillotina]

I think he's pretty town, why do u ask?

Just curious.

Why is he town for you?

[Guillotina]

It’s an beautiful country with wondrous people such as i Guillotina. You should visit some time.

I dont care about your country here, i call you Norway cause your name is too long.

[Guillotina]

Just curious.

but why him over all the other slots?

he just seems like norway and I feel there are scummier slots in this game.

So you think he is town and then you think there are other

scummier

slots than him?

[Guillotina]

yes

Ok. Thank you.

[Guillotina]

but there are 15 other slots besides you and him and feels like he's done nothing but exclusively target your slot. So to me it doesn't feel like he's flailing out and scumhunting.

What do you think of Norway?

I think he's pretty town, why do u ask?

Just curious.

Why is he town for you?

Just curious.

but why him over all the other slots?

he just seems like norway and I feel there are scummier slots in this game.

Just curious.

but why him over all the other slots?

he just seems like norway and I feel there are scummier slots in this game.

So you think he is town and then you think there are other

scummier

slots than him?

yes

This strikes me as odd.

First i randomly asked him about norweggianboy whom i refer to as Norway to shorten it.

He says he thinks Norway is town but his explanation is vague and contradictory.

If you think someone is town, why say that there are

scummier

slots than him, like less scummy from his point of view. Does he know Norway is scum?

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Nero Cain

[Guillotina]

????

I find a lot of slots scummier that Norway thus "there are scummier slots than him"

Yah but choice of words is odd, don't you think? Or did you just mean that Norway plays scummy but he is town?

[Guillotina]

This strikes me as odd.

First i randomly asked him about norweggianboy whom i refer to as Norway to shorten it.

He says he thinks Norway is town but his explanation is vague and contradictory.

If you think someone is town, why say that there are scummier slots than him, like less scummy from his point of view. Does he know Norway is scum?

Nero could word himself better, sure. But that last part is quite the stretch. Are you suggesting me and Nero could be scum partners and he slipped or something?

I wasn't thinking it that way but your suggestion makes sense and if that is the case he didnt slip up, you just did.

[Guillotina]

ofc its not impossible that he's scum but yeah....

Im not, hinting that i could possibly be scum after my immediate D1 claim can only mean two things. You are a noob or you are scum.

Bonus: Or you are both.

[Guillotina]

Actually I don't really like how Guillotina is now describing

his own

early claim as impossible to come from scum, it's a level of self-consciousness that makes me question how sure I can be of that read.

Since when self-consciousness is a bad thing? Im a confident, very smart and effective and mature player and I already said why scum me would not early claim my role.

[Guillotina]

this is worse than nooby arrogance. this is a troll alt.

I am arrogant and got a big sized ego! Im the god of mafia! So what?

But im not a troll or an alt.

[Guillotina]

Okay. After looking through, I have an observation:
Guil's claim by itself seems town-y, but some of their behaviour around that claim seems odd (saying they checked the wiki after making the claim, asking PRs to visit them to prove they are ascetic, etc), so I would read them as ascetic scum.

Yah getting more information about how my role works is surely scum play and not at all NAI and i was not asking town PRs to visit me, the whole point of claiming early is so they won't. Me daring noob PRs checking an ascetic It's called SARCASM! Which is also NAI. Weak push! Checking your ISO now.

[Guillotina]

Hello everyone! Sorry I'm late.
So far, my main read is IV as town due to the Ascetic claim. I'll look through the thread and try to work out some other reads.

Okay. After looking through, I have an observation:
Guil's claim by itself seems town-y, but some of their behaviour around that claim seems odd (saying they checked the wiki after making the claim, asking PRs to visit them to prove they are ascetic, etc), so I would read them as ascetic scum.

Huh! What happened to your other reads? Also IV town reads me for my ascetic claim and the progression of how i claimed it yet you'd read me scum?

[Guillotina]

Actually I don't really like how Guillotina is now describing

his own

early claim as impossible to come from scum, it's a level of self-consciousness that makes me question how sure I can be of that read.

Since when self-consciousness is a bad thing? Im a confident, very smart and effective and mature player and I already said why scum me would not early claim my role.

You can't be a real person.

Yet I am.

[Guillotina]

Hello everyone! Sorry I'm late.
So far, my main read is IV as town due to the Ascetic claim. I'll look through the thread and try to work out some other reads.

Okay. After looking through, I have an observation:
Guil's claim by itself seems town-y, but some of their behaviour around that claim seems odd (saying they checked the wiki after making the claim, asking PRs to visit them to prove they are ascetic, etc), so I would read them as ascetic scum.

Huh! What happened to your other reads? Also IV town reads me for my ascetic claim and the progression of how i claimed it yet you'd read me scum?

Its pretty funny how guill left and said they would iso duke and its been 5mins and duke has 2 posts

VOTE: guillotina

I can't put up with this slot all game lol

Are you scum?

[Guillotina]

This strikes me as odd.

First i randomly asked him about norweggianboy whom i refer to as Norway to shorten it.

He says he thinks Norway is town but his explanation is vague and contradictory.

If you think someone is town, why say that there are scummier slots than him, like less scummy from his point of view. Does he know Norway is scum?

Nero could word himself better, sure. But that last part is quite the stretch. Are you suggesting me and Nero could be scum partners and he slipped or something?

I wasn't thinking it that way but your suggestion makes sense and if that is the case he didnt slip up, you just did.

NOTICE A BIGGER HOSTILITY SINCE THIS PUSH!

[Guillotina]

Hello everyone! Sorry I'm late.
So far, my main read is IV as town due to the Ascetic claim. I'll look through the thread and try to work out some other reads.

Okay. After looking through, I have an observation:
Guil's claim by itself seems town-y, but some of their behaviour around that claim seems odd (saying they checked the wiki after making the claim, asking PRs to visit them to prove they are ascetic, etc), so I would read them as ascetic scum.

Huh! What happened to your other reads? Also IV town reads me for my ascetic claim and the progression of how i claimed it yet you'd read me scum?

Its pretty funny how guill left and said they would iso duke and its been 5mins and duke has 2 posts

VOTE: guillotina

I can't put up with this slot all game lol

Are you scum?

Me: say i will iso guil's 60 posts. Take 2mins.

You: say you will iso duke's 2 posts. Takes 7mins.

And your point is?

[Guillotina]

Actually Guillotina, i've already shown hostility towards you since my first post. And even said i hated you.
I don't think it's been that much of an increase in hostility when compared to before.

This is even worse. You are saying you showing hostility towards me since day1 for nothing.
Why?

[Guillotina]

Did you wash your hands at least?

Still waiting for your point.

[Guillotina]

Why does your name end with an a and your pronoun is a he?

Because it's Guillotine in spanish.

[Guillotina]

Making this big so it stands out in my ISO

Look guys. Whoever is town here.

I got nothing to lose. Im an ascetic villager. Which is worse than a vanilla because a vanilla can be town cleared by a cop or protected by a doc. Im a dead walking villager, it's just a question of time.

If you yeet me you are gonna feel really bad about it, but if you let me live, the wolves will have to take care of me. Specially if im close to figure them out.

So i ask you to do the right thing. Don't yeet me, let the wolves have to waste a factional kill on me.

This is the right mechanical play, i claimed my role how I was supposed to claim. Don't let me get yeeted, make the wolves have to NK me. One NK on me means one less NK against a PR. Yeeting me helps wolves, not town.

My scum leans: Nero and Norweggian. When i die and I flip green, investigate them, watch them, track them first.

[Guillotina]

yeah that also bothers me
like he figures the claim is supposed to help him now, despite iirc not leaning into it at all earlier
there's a cognitive dissonance between the reality of him being at risk of a lim rn and him suggesting scum are gonna nk him because they think he is a threat
if scum thought he was a threat they'd push to lim him rn no? But guillo isn't pressing that because he's scum and knows that isn't the case. Seems like a pretty textbook case of of scum goo imo

The irony of this comment. Wolves are pushing for my lim rn.

You should vote him.
Actually everyone should.

[Guillotina]

yeah that also bothers me
like he figures the claim is supposed to help him now, despite iirc not leaning into it at all earlier
there's a cognitive dissonance between the reality of him being at risk of a lim rn and him suggesting scum are gonna nk him because they think he is a threat
if scum thought he was a threat they'd push to lim him rn no? But guillo isn't pressing that because he's scum and knows that isn't the case. Seems like a pretty textbook case of of scum goo imo

The irony of this comment. Wolves are pushing for my lim rn.

You should vote him.
Actually everyone should.

yeah but it didn't come across as you believing it from that post

What do you know about what I believe, are you a mind reader? Do you believe I post here all my thoughts?

Come on Gamma.

[Guillotina]

Can you tell me why you scumread me now?

Look, I can handle hate so it's not that.

But to me you slipped up in that one post we both know, and if you slipped up, Nero is implicated.

I might change my mind as the game progresses and if I see townie traits from you and/or nero but OMGUSing me and pushing my yeet based on personal emotions about your character, although is not exclusively scum play, it is anti-town. Towns gotta be able to detach from emotions and play to your wincon, even if that means playing with arrogant jerks like myself or hateful people like you.

[Guillotina]

Correction: pushing my yeet based on personal emotions about my character

[Guillotina]

Correction: pushing my yeet based on personal emotions about my character

Wrong. I think you're scum. That is not personal. I can hate a player and still townread them, i'm not incapable of shelving my feelings for the sake of playing to my wincon.

Not how it looks, you said you were hostile towards me since early posts because you thought I was arrogant, being pushing me ever since and found ways to vote me, not because you townread but because you hate me.

But town will not yeet me. They are watching your push on me. I may be arrogant, egocentric, a god of mafia and you may hate me for it, but I'm town whose done the right thing for town since start.

[Guillotina]

Agree with Gamma.
It just seems to me like they’re way overplaying their card here.
It’s like they rolled ascetic goon and everyone in scum PT told him to claim now and afterwards he’s forgot scum hunting and mostly just focus on posturing about their claim in an vicious cycle.

That is a dumb scum play, if i was in a PT with scum suggesting that, i would scold them hard! Lol.

Ascetic goon would make me immune to investigative power roles, i would only have to worry about a town vigilante. I would def not claim, EVER and i would try to consistently role hunt, pocket and bait town PRs to visit me. I would be playing a totally different game, you would not see me coming! Geezus man.

I didnt forget scum hunting, you and Nero are my wolf leans remember? Ive been busy with work projects but tomorrow is my day off, so wolves, if you are gonna try to yeet me do it before then cause im im bringing my God Of Mafia game.

Have a lovely for now.

[Guillotina]

Guillotina is town.

VOTE: Guillotina

VOTE: Guillotina

Didn’t you say Guillo was town earlier?

No progression

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

I retract my scum read from Norway for this. If she was wolf, she'd ignore DG behavior.

Today is the big day you see the God of Mafia in action. Stay tuned!

[Guillotina]

NorweggianboyEE post by post ISO Analysis

33 why does it matter that I'm an alt or not? You think if you could figure out what my alleged main was you could leave me alone or death tunnel me based on meta or what?
47 At this point I felt annoyed that she considered I was a bot, like really? That is disrespectful.
52 To be fair, I put up my Egomaniac Persona so this could be a natural emotional response from a person who loathes arrogant people. That said, from gameplay perspective, it felt like role hunting. It matches up with her not believing that I'm an ascetic villager, but if she knew that I'm a villager, she'd push there to find out if Ascetic is the entirety of my role or just a modifier.
68 I do not find this believable, my early claim is town alignment indicative because it's policy to do so if you are town. When you claim ascetic as town you are telling EVERYONE that only killing roles will work on you, I don't see what's more townie than sacrificing yourself for your faction's wincom.
72 Why cast shade on someone who is trying to town read me in this game by bringing up his scum tactics from a previous game? She is trying to use meta against IV here, this matches with the need to confirm whether I'm an alt or not.
74 He gave reason for 72, looks credible.
80 He took something out of context from my 79 post to turn it against me.
85 I literally said stop "twisting my words to try to drive a mislimination" and she instantly linked that action to questioning one. You can question someone objectively without scummy traits such as twisting words, putting words on other people's mouths, taking sentences out of context to fit your narrative and push.
87, 92 posts. This is why I early claimed, so those PRs don't do it. You pushing me for it by twisting my actions and words and turn them against me pissed me off there and from this point forward I thought you were either a bad tunneling townie or just scum through and through. I kept a close eye on this poster from this point forward.
95 His reaction although spiteful seemed natural, if you are town and you believe someone might be scum, you don't stop just because someone else tells you to stop. Town points here.
109 he town leans InnocentVillager here.
111 You can question it, but not the way you did.
262 Sounds like he is legit tired of scummy town players here, this would explain her disgust for me too.
284 Norway finds hard to believe that scum could truthwolf/openwolf just as she finds hard to believe that town can falsewolf/opentown. For the record I'm not saying that taylor is or is not scum here.
352 He is annoyed by my "God of Mafia" claim OR worried about my unorthodox methods? Wait... did I ever say I was unorthodox in this game....? (2 minutes later) No, I never claimed I was unorthodox. How do you know this? Who told you this?
438 why not? It sounded carefree, like town are.
455 legit townie post, I like it.
462 Huh? he can do whatever he wants, stop trying to control people and why are stopping a confrontation between him and Nero?
468 Were you both lone wolves? You don't exactly scumread a player if you both are scum, you just know.
484 Looking back at this it came out rough. I intended to be honest and practical not rude. Sorry about that.
502 Good townie post. If I've been townread by a lot of people on D1. I'm either doing a great job or some of those people just know I'm town.
516 Questions Nero. Good.
540 Legit I wasn't thinking anything at all, I was just fishing. When you offered a theory about you two for free I thought it was a little WIFOM and decided to push it.
541 Yah, there is no world where Norwee and I could be partners. "Wtf Nero" is the obvious response.
622 Looks legit annoyed
660 Yah he hates me
664 Kill my slot because I'm arrogant and self proclaim egomaniac god of mafia? Sounds like an impulsive response. He is driven by emotion characteristic of player who hates ego-driven people. The emotion is NAI but it does't mean he can't be scum.
676 Ok this confirms that he hates scummy players which is NAI. Does he realize his style is kind scummy too?
693 Confirmation that his push is for personal reasons towards my character more than his read of my alignment.
724 Good townie post putting a lazy player in his place.
737 Sarcasm noted. I am town.
739 I said I'd make you a believer, you cannot stop calling me "God of Mafia". LMAO, don't hate me more for this please.
747 I didn't like that. Scummy post
748 He offered no progression at all to justify his vote. I made him look like an ass previously and that vote is for that, hence why I made that rethorical question.
750 I'm starting to believe you are, you just have a personal vendetta against my ego and are willing to get rid of me kfor it, not necessarily scum play but it is anti-town play.
751 Read this whole thing, then read Nero's analysis later.
755 Good point.
760 You said that it was the weakest not that it can't be a reason for scumreading you at all.
"Why the fuck would scum!me casually slip up like an idiot by the way of asking you what you meant by a weird comment you made?" I don't know you!scum and scum slips up pretty often than not for the most absurd reasons.
761 Hmmm. We'll see.
771 You are not getting my head today. I'm town.
775 I already explained why scum!me would not make that ridiculous noobish play.
912 This is good! A great observation that a wolf would ignore.

I can't 100% town read Norwee but he is likely to be town in my opinion. He just hates me.

[Guillotina]

Albert B. Rampage ISO Analysis

367 First post after subbing in was an insult to someone followed by a mock vote, i hate it, I hope this is not a trend from him.
496 He legit seems serious about this.
497 Ok, I was wrong. He is imitating my game, there can only be one God of Mafia! in my faction here! Unless you are scum, then you are good.
500 Believes my ascetic claim.
569 This is completely fair! Shading someone for the amount of time spent PLAYING A GAME as opposed to do RL stuff is not only scummy but angleshooting Nero!
654 Why? do you know she is town?
l670 This feels like he is willing to be influenced on a decision to not take responsibility for it.
677 This post perplexes me. Two statements that contradict each other at its core.
He'd yeet me at deadline because "why not" but he questions why push a claimed slot with so much unaccounted for?
Carefree "why not" and "I won't because I wanna make sure" don't match in my opinion.
682 So it is not a big deal that Muh hasn't done anything since Sunday (which i say again it is fair), but it is a big one if I take 7 minutes to check someone's two post ISO. go pee, get a soda before replying? What gives?
721 He could be a lazy town or scum for this. Scum are not interested in catching up but in looking and getting read town.
814 Not nice! This is a personal attack, don't do it again.
950 Why?

Not 100% sure but ABR is most likely to be scum.

[Guillotina]

I don't hate you Guillotina, i'm just wilfully acting as an jerkass to knock you down a bit from your pedestal.

But... gods have pedestals, who are you to knock gods down from their beautiful pedestals, mortal?

I don't hate you though and I do understand you.

[Guillotina]

i appreciate that guil is making the effort to PbPA Norway and ABR even if i personally don't think it's the most time-effective way to analyze. i don't mind playing with self absorbed players at all i think, as long as they're not dicks. Norway i don't think it makes them townier necessarily, but whatever makes you see the light i guess

i thinkkkk ABR is town though, mostly just tonally and some mindmelding

I like the first paragraph, i disagree with the second one.

Will you please point out what things you mindmelded with him on?

[Guillotina]

Who do you think muh's scumbuddies are?

Why are you asking me for pre-flip associatives?

I don't know who his buddies are. I don't even know if he's scum.

VOTE: umlaut

this is a lack of confidence in scumreads that i don't expect from town.

while i don't expect you to know if he's scum, that wording was terrible.

Do you expect confidence from the unaware majority on their scumreads on D1?
I think you are scum for this statement but I'm not 100% confident, what do you think about that?

[Guillotina]

Innocentvillager is just scum calling town tells scum tells, except he's so overeager to do it that he's doing it on what's more likely to be read as a scum tell.

Replace IV with Guillotina and I agree!

Time to thunderdome scum.

VOTE: Albert B. Rampage

Case me! In your own words, why am I scum?

I already said why were you and i got some more to add, let's do this.

[Guillotina]

gul, were you town reading muh?

No, I don't town read anyone. I'm still reading.

I town lean Norwee. I liked IV but I don't like it that he mindmelds with ABR.

[Guillotina]

Also, I can't read Taylor. She could be open wolfing or she could be a scummy town player, so when I form a solid town block I will have to trust their read on Taylor or I don't know, I can't read her.

[Guillotina]

I liked IV but I don't like it that he mindmelds with ABR.

i feel like this means that if IV is scum then ABR is town. IV hasn't scumhunted @ all this game and all he's does is co-opt ABRs read list.

I don't know.. I have to look into IV more. I'm not confident when there are mixed feelings. I don't like ABR, that's for sure.

[Guillotina]

This is completely fair! Shading someone for the amount of time spent PLAYING A GAME as opposed to do RL stuff is not only scummy but angleshooting Nero!

eh.....

I don't feel like this is a very accurate description of events. Muh hasn't been hunting and I find that suspicious and scummy. If we make the cutoff 396...I think 16 pages is enough to start developing reads. Don't you? I don't think he said anything about being to busy to play so you're kinda giving him an out for doing nothing for no reason. Where you confusing him with Glitch who is the one that said he got a new job and was busy?

Reads after barely a day in a game of 14-days phases? No man. I'd believe it in a blitz game, but games this long, people just chill. Im not giving anyone an out but people have a life man! This is a game, people with jobs, a family, a lifestyle play games in their spare time so, i dont find it hard to believe he didnt have reads and expecting people to play at your pace is inconsiderate! You cant use what people do with their time as evidence to cast any kind of suspicion in the game, that is angleshooting.

[Guillotina]

i dont feel the need to give all of them?

y not?

Because reads also help wolves plan things out.

[Guillotina]

town can certainly be wrong but I think it's reasonable play to at least consider eliminating the person that defended flipped scum, do you not agree with this?

Hmm not really, because there are many moments where town white knights scum and it's important to distinguish rather than just blindly assuming that anyone who'd defend scum= scum partner.

Townie post.

[Guillotina]

Glitch NPOM Umlot Kanna-slot and Golden

Pretty sure we have better than 50% odds of hitting scum in this group

I'll iso guillotine

After seeing Nero criticize this pool I looked at what ABR's actually saying more closely and it's practically vacuous. He's not saying "at least half of these players are scum," he's not saying "at least half the scum are in this group," he's saying that

there's a better than 50% chance that at least one of them is scum

which is literally a weaker statement than just saying he has no idea they are scum (if I drew five players at random, assuming a scumteam of 4 the probability one of them is scum is something like 79%).

I assume this isn't what he actually meant but it's a hell of a hedgy statement to make.

Umlaut what do you think of VOTE: TheGoldenParadox ?

[Guillotina]

they were like such an angry edgy teen early on and now he's playing like a normal mafia plater?

Maybe i got a split personality disorder or maybe God of Mafia is just a persona.

[Guillotina]

they were like such an angry edgy teen early on and now he's playing like a normal mafia plater?

Maybe i got a split personality disorder or maybe God of Mafia is just a persona.

Or you figured you should get your act together before you're lynched on D1.

Lol, you so dont know me.

[Guillotina]

what if both abr and umlat are town?

ABR's content is much worse than umlats though so if forced I'd lynch there first but I think there are much better d1 eliminations like muh or taylor or gul or IV. Fuck even eliminating possible lurker scum in May or Duke are decent flips.

Im town and as you can see people townread me, stop pitching in my elimination like it is a viable option because it is not.

[Guillotina]

i might not object to Pretentious either

Why?

[Guillotina]

Pretentious will to quickhammer is suspicious!

Also, i townread Nero, because he has indiscriminately put everyone under scrutiny and driven the room effortlessly like a real investigator. I disagree with him on certain things but overall he is townie.

[Guillotina]

You know what? That’s it! I’ve had enough. I’m going to finally do it. I’m going to have a seat, maybe make a fire. Stir up some hot coco, relax, grab my iPad, and just sit down and read this game. Like a good book, just a good book. I’ll probably do it. Yeah.

It appears as if that is F-1.

Well, if you don’t mind if I do then...hammer on! or is it more like away? Hammer away? On just feels better. I’ll try to do some reading tonight, and give you what I come back with next day phase!

VOTE: Muh

Normally, I wouldn’t do a thing like that without first knowing what I’m voting for, but in this case, it’s just nice to feel part of the team, be a community together! Socialization is the key that makes humans happy.

This feels like lolhammer or he just wants to get yeeted out of no interest for this game.

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Pretentious

[Guillotina]

that is L-4 with 5 votes on pretentious let's keep the tally up so everyone knows

please do not hammer this slot

That said. I don't want to see naked votes on this guy. I will look CLOSELY into naked votes.

[Guillotina]

That said. I don't want to see naked votes on this guy. I will look CLOSELY into naked votes.

VOTE: pretentious

I already sus you so this does not add or take away from you.

[Guillotina]

Normally, I wouldn’t do a thing like that without first knowing what I’m voting for,

but in this case, it’s just nice to feel part of the team, be a community together! Socialization is the key that makes humans happy.

I am voting for this. He is using the most powerful ability that town has, on someone without knowing what he is voting for. To me that is scummy as hell.

[Guillotina]

Is this just policy or are we thinking Pretentious was actually scummy for what he did
I’m actually more inclined to vote if it’s policy, since I don’t see it as scummy really at all, but don’t mind policying it

VOTE: Pretentious
Yeah tbh the thing Guillo quoted seems super out-of-character for boon, and I agree it looks scummy for that and in general

I think you just wanted a reason to vote and I just gave it to you, which is no better than Pretentious reason to vote.

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Pretentious
Yeah i agree with ABR here. I don’t think Pretentious realized Muh wasn’t actually E-1 and thusly their intentions are very sus.

This is also what proves I’m town not paying attention.

I don't follow how not paying attention is supposed to prove you're town.

I don't really care whether it's in character or not, I have never been on board with the "oh that's just so-and-so, quickhammering is what they do" justification for foregoing policy and I'm not about to get on board with it now.

So this is a policy yeet for you?

[Guillotina]

To me it sounds like one head messed up and the other one is trying save themselves out of the situation.

Sorry if I'm wrong but I don't know you.

[Guillotina]

To me it sounds like one head messed up and the other one is trying save themselves out of the situation.

Sorry if I'm wrong but I don't know you.

I’m one person.

I didn’t mess up either. I stand by the vote I wanted to make 100% of the time.

You are not a hydra then. Ok.

[Guillotina]

UNVOTE: Pretentious

Tell me why do you scum read the players of that list you made

[Guillotina]

a) Player admits to not reading the thread
b) Player claims Vanilla Townie
c) Player goes apeshit when he's about to be eliminated

This just doesn't add up.

And then he makes a scum list after not reading the thread.

[Guillotina]

UNVOTE: Pretentious

Tell me why do you scum read the players of that list you made

The speed of my wagon means someone on the scum team saw an opening to get me, a well known player on site who has loads of setup design, review knowledge, and play experience, taking advantage of me being on a lesser known weird post style alt, someone who knows me helped give momentum to my wagon because I am a fantastic day 1 misfade for scum even though I haven’t been playing.

If you knew me, you’d know I love to lurk out as town until late game n then solve.

I once rolled a whole game, and then stopped trolling to solve the game.

Gamma and Nero are the 2 players who know me the most, so I guarantee you a scum is in one of the two.

This answer is worth nothing to someone who does not know you. Tell me why people in your list could be scum based just on this game, disregard meta.

[Guillotina]

When Boon is town he's angry and throws a temper tantrum. This is scum Boon trying to talk his way out of elimination.

Show me this in a past game of his.

[Guillotina]

Never mind. Meta can be faked

[Guillotina]

in MBOS of silver town you self voted instantly. Here you are afraid to do so. What makes these games diffrent?

That they are different. What's the point?

[Guillotina]

That they are different. What's the point?

that his alignments is diffrent.

It’s not.

And I’m in the exact same spot i was there, actually. Everyone’s coming agains me when someone is pushing me as for sure scum.

Why aren’t you bringing up those similarities?

Don't lie. What alignment were you there?

[Guillotina]

I’m town, I just haven’t read a lick of this game.

I still noticed Taylor and Nero running the game more than anyone else.

There are many inconsistencies with your arguments here. And your response to being hard pushed is quite different from MBoS, the overconfidence also feels pretty scummy.

Exactly. Scum Me is incredibly consistent.

I’m not overconfident, you’re just reading my natural confidence.

Is it possible that you see overconfidence as arrogance? You have a tendency to clash with players on a high pedestal.

[Guillotina]

im open for elimination tomorrow but Boon won't self vote like he does as town b/c he's not town and he's trying to get out of an elimation.

This makes zero sense. Self-Preservation is NAI!!!!

I'm town and I don't wanna get yeeted!
Wolves don't wanna get yeeted either! Both factions want to win!

Stop making claims like this as if they are AI

[Guillotina]

Exactly.

Scum Me is incredibly consistent.

But how are we supposed to know if you aren't just pulling this logic straight from your ass?

Can anyone confirm that this line is true, do you have meta to hold it up?

Yes. Do you want me to link multiple scenarios of my sociopathic insanity of my scum games?

Nero could back it up, he just actively isn’t.

Gamma can back it up for me.

ABR might be able to, but idk.

Do you want me to link multiple scenarios of my sociopathic insanity of my scum games?

thanks for letting everyone know that this is your scum game.

???????

[Guillotina]

I'm not gonna lie. I'm getting scummy vibes from Nero again. I'm not voting Pretentious.

[Guillotina]

I'm not voting Pretentious.

you aren't voting for the guy that tried to quickhammer without a claim?!? ok well I'll just eliminate you next.

Oooohh is that a threat?

[Guillotina]

I'm not voting Pretentious.

you aren't voting for the guy that tried to quickhammer without a claim?!? ok well I'll just eliminate you next.

No, i'm not voting Pretentious with the guy that went from obvtown vibes to obvscum vibes in an hour.

[Guillotina]

Can we get votes on Nero if only to see where buddies start to defend or discredit us?

No hold on! You are not town read yet buddy!

Remember that list you made?

Taking out Nero because you obviously can't be objective about him right now, who is most likely to be partners with Nero IF he was scum in this game.

[Guillotina]

does town!FL OMGUS?

Town can OMGUS

[Guillotina]

I don't take threats kindly and you don't intimidate me, Nero.

I'm looking into your ISO and do a deep analysis like I did with Norwee and ABR, I hope you feel town there.

[Guillotina]

how is OMGUSing pro town?

OMGUS is term that should be banned from mafia. OMGUS refers to a vote/counter-accusation placed by a player after such had been voted or accused.
The problem with the term is what the OMGUSsing player is town and the other is mafia?

When you are town and you are accused, you react to the feeling, then you research the aggressor based on that feeling and based on the result you may accuse back (or vote).
Some players do it by impulse and cast one immediately while other wait on it and cast it later and wolves will say oh, it's OMGUS, your accusation got less weight because it is direct response to mine, disregarding what comes behind the alleged OMGUS.

[Guillotina]

It's also stalling your flip. Like there's 0 reason why you should live after today.

Too bad you are not both judge and executioner Nero, we the villagers are.

[Guillotina]

It's also stalling your flip. Like there's 0 reason why you should live after today.

Too bad you are not both judge and executioner Nero, we the villagers are.

I’m worried this is scum because they just pocketed me so hard the past few pages, but like, I’m actively sitting in your pocket now.

I got No Power in mine, so it’s a party here.

I'm town, if you feel pocketed which you shouldn't, consider yourself pocketed by town. Too bad I will not last long.

[Guillotina]

Honestly, someone should just investigate me and clear me.

I'd rather attempt red checks than green checks, why wouldn't you?

[Guillotina]

@Taylor - why would I ever claim VT as scum here?

From the little you’ve played with me, i feel like you should already know that is not in my MO.

i mean maybe not but the way youre pushing it hard that youd never do it means its pure wifom. im gonna sort you based on play and not based on claims.

i could go for a NPOM wagon. sitting on the sidelines and not doing much. IV is still obvtown imo.

I actually like him there looking back on it in regards to Nero vs Me.

Look at Norwegian in that same position.

meh i still think norwee is pretty town.

Mindmelds

[Guillotina]

Exactly. Scum Me is incredibly consistent.

But how are we supposed to know if you aren't just pulling this logic straight from your ass? Can anyone confirm that this line is true, do you have meta to hold it up?

He’s consistent in that he’s frequently a slimy eel who will find any avenue to get out of a lim, and even when he does get limmed it often probably furthers his team. As such I feel like the best move if he’s scum is to knock him off his guard and then cut him down. I feel like he was probably hoping to quickhammer to probably get cred for muh’s lim and also kill conversation, but made a grave mistake in miscounting. He doesn’t want to get limmed when he’s on the back foot, but also doesn’t want to sound too bothered by the threat of being limmed, so he’s talking out both sides of his mouth about how much he is okay with it, like he did in Betrayal. Stepping off now, if he’s scum, is the worst thing town can do.

So you are saying that Pretentious and Muh are a team?

[Guillotina]

u say u don't care but you sure DO seem to care about not being eliminated.

Exactly.

Even when I don’t care I will give 100% to the game so that I can say I did everything in my power to get people to read me correctly from the spot I am currently in.

It’s just my level of sportsmanship. Anything goes in the arena, but as soon as we get out of the game, I’m Gucci, ya know

Mindmeld.

When i play the game it is obvious that i will try my best to remain in the competition, who wants to get eliminated? DUUUUUH!!!
But once i get eliminated i will not sleep over it, it's just a game.

[Guillotina]

If I had to guess, I'd say that we have a scum team of less experienced players that are trying to lurk somewhat while the more experienced players are town and being active.

I don't think this is something we can tell at this point. Like it's not impossible that there is scum in


Glitch
TheDuke
muh316
Guillotina
May
Non lmh

and town is just tearing into each other but I think I don't see anything that suggests that scum can't be experienced/active players. And Boon is an experienced player so there's at least 1 of them.

Remove me from that list, im town and Im townread by a good amount of people here. Including me in that list is more of a red flag against you.

[Guillotina]

I promise something cool will happen around vote 4 or 5

is it that your team will dogpile on me?

Nah, your team will make sure a new wagon happens.

my team is 12 players big so it's too big to be the scum team.

TMI on how many scum players there are.

how many scum do YOU think are in a 17 player?

4 or 5, it’s in that middle ground.

You know you just scum slipped there, but it’s not like that’ll actually be used as a reason.

5 players in a normal 17-players game is not absurd. Even in bastard games it is impossible.

3-4 is the right amount. 3 if wolves got OP abilities. 4 if wolves are balanced.

[Guillotina]

Who is Occams Razor?

[Guillotina]

What are your said terms Gamma?

I’m likely just not reading your posts that much because they’re not that interesting, and you have flavor Fever if you are town, or you are scum.

Those are the only 2 options

You need to accept being the lim today, and if you flip town I will follow your reads as best I can. But at this point you need to not make any more moves to break from that play in order for me to trust you.

In other words, you will never trust him as long as he is active.

You got a rough history with him?

[Guillotina]

So turns out Guillotina is not the only annoying player in the game. I skimmed a couple of pages, looks like a bunch of shitposting to me.

LOL the irony in this post

[Guillotina]

So turns out Guillotina is not the only annoying player in the game. I skimmed a couple of pages, looks like a bunch of shitposting to me.

LOL the irony in this post

At least I don't try to come off as the God of Mafia.

I dont try. I am mortal!!!

[Guillotina]

@Muh - Come over to our side of the bridge, we're friendlier here, vote Norwegian.

They're trying to fade you and I.

I'm not liking Nero but I townread Norwee, don't go there.

[Guillotina]

I'm doing Nero's ISO analysis but that guy posts a lot! so I'm gonna need time to finish it and post it here.

Then I'll do yours, Pretentious. Then based on that I'll cast my vote.

[Guillotina]

NERO ISO POST BY POST ANALYSIS

133 Seems like a choice based on personal issue with Swift.
161 Discredits NPOM posting is hollow and generic
344 And goes nuclear on people when they don't.
345 How many townreads does he expect from other players on D1?
371 I answered to this in 476
375 Not a cool comment on Muh, you don't have to be so hateful.
393 Mindmeld
402 Overreaction on post 401, it was clearly a joke vote. Note this is also "Pretentious" slot now.
412 JV is right though, it is very presumptuous to say that all 4 scum are in that list. If that was true, then say goodbye to your hopes of winning the lottery cause you just used all your luck on this one. Calling you "stupid" for it was uncalled for, but unrealistic? I agree. Not discredity at all.
414 Getting accused of OMGUS over a joke is non-sensical and angering.
420 You pissed him off, instead of telling him to chill the fuck out, admit it was wrong.
446 Trivializes JV's emotions as fake. Scummy.
451 This makes no sense at all. Do you really believe his joke vote was a serious vote?
463 Pushing for votes. Voting is every town's personal power. Trying to influence it in any way or create a situation where the target feels rushed to do it is scummy as hell.
485 This pinged me as contradictory cause Nero townreads Norwee but implies Norwee is scummy by being less scummy than other slots. Pings me as someone who'd townread the other as long as he does the other bidding.
490 Is he certain that I'm not ascetic to say that?
498 Mindmeld
501 Condescending much?
503 Huh?
520 Why were these slots scummier than Norway at this point? Notice that he stills refer to Norway as still being less scummy than those slots, but scummy nonetheless.
531 Accused this slot of being pretty scummy for being lethargic and not hunting.
541 So much gaslightning here it's unreal.
542 I understand his indignation
545 So it is ok for you make questions and gaslight people left and right, but dear god they make them to you and they are scummy. What a hypocrite!
570 I scumread you by now and I'm town so, yah I agree.
572 Nice dodging. I did this analysis looking into your ISO, post by post and there is nothing clear about your scum reads by this point. Just gaslightning, condescing, triviliazing, nitpicking, making jokes into serious arguments to scum read people. You are scum Nero.
583 I think your play is scummy, I was blind when i was townreading you.
584 She is right. Now I get it why you are so hostile to everyone that disagrees and scumreads you. You fear us because you are scum.

595 Finally! Suspected JV for not playing the game when they were on? Since when do you manage what they do with their time and when they play? Silly angleshooting way to accuse someone.
Scumread Muh for casting a vote against me to get a reaction? Towns do it all the time! Did your read evolve to cast a final vote against him before Pretentious later on?
Taylor Swift.. well I can't read her so, I will let the rest of the villagers to sort her out.
ABR - Mindmeld
IV - inactivity is NAI. People have lives!

600 Hypocritical post, didn't you scumread Muh for casting a vote against me to get reactions from me earlier on?
610 Given you scumread people for inactivity, why is GoldenParadox a "???" for you? To be clear, I suspect Golden, so I'm interested in tbis answer.
623 Who knows?
624 It is impossible
625 What kind of question is this? Townreads or Scumreads don't have to be reciprocal between players. You are implying she has to townread you because her townreads, town read you! They could be wrong about you just as easy as she could be wrong about you or them.
628 Answer to my former self. He is not a noob but he might be scum.
629 Scummy comment. That is not discrediting, it is thinking objectively.
631 A seasoned player like you must know this, but if I am scumreading someone and that someone calls me a bad town, then I'll take it as you calling me a good at towning. Also, putting words in my mouth is scummy. I wonder how many red flags you are gonna keep raising here.
633 Yah... sure...it's pretty bad to form your own opinion and be objective about people (notice the sarcasm).
641 I can see the point in this.
646 A confident town is a threat to scum. You trivialize me when I oppose your reads, you gaslight Taylor when she does not sheep others into townread yu. Do you see the pattern?
704 Because I'm town.
847I think she refers to your pushing method which is scummy as hell.
858 He is right though!
859 Everyone that opposes you is scum so far and your reasons come with a plethora of scum tactics.

891 Why put your own name in your town list? Town noobs do this but you are not a noob. From a psychological stand point you feel the need to ascertain that you are town when you are scum, towns don't worry about putting the names there because they know by default they are town.

892 Your POE is made out of players who directly opposed your views. If you are not scum, you are anti-town.
894 TheGoldenParadox, refer to my question about your 610 post.
900 Oh.. so I was not the first target of your threats.
990 He is a null for me.
995 The thought crossed my mind also.
998 I think you are full of shit, stop twisting it to make it seem like I'm w/w with IV. I meant that I town leaned IV and not ABR.
1010 Yah, the problem is that you are a hypocrite, because you accuse scum read Muh for it but TheGoldenParadox is a ??? with significantly lower posts thatn pretty much everyone else?
Some people have busy very busy lives Nero.
1051 Too WIFOM to be WIFOM. It's called SARCASM!
1113 Yah scum would like to end the day as soon as possible, we got plenty of days to do more solving, why rush?
1129 So you don't scum read Muh anymore?
1131 Pretentious subbed in for JV whom you pushed based on an alleged OMGUS vote on you, you been pushing that slot for ridiculous reasons just because he opposed you earlier in the game.
1174 My thoughts exactly then again, he could just be a townie not paying attention.
1282 Feel threatened?
1304 Another threat. Scummy.
1318 Scummy proposal asking someone to carry out an action that is considered poor form is just outrageous.
1330 You are not obvtown in this analysis.
1370 This is so scummy. Since when self-preservation is AI? Even if he did it before as town it does not mean he must continue doing so to fit your meta narrative.
1387 Does he self hammer every time he is town or are you saying this based in one game?
1399 I'll consider this a threat and the last red flag I need. I don't need to continue analysing your 400 posts full crap.

I scum read Nero Cain based on this analysis.

[Guillotina]

Doing Pretentious ISO next

[Guillotina]

oh fuck no I am NOT reading all those linked posts, you need to actually weave a real thread of logic through Nero's posts vs. just reacting to everything he says if you want me to even consider dealing with that crap. As it is I'm writing that off as a bunch of circumstantial shit, if Guillo wants to convince me he's gonna have to break that shit DOWN.

It's your choice to read it or not, I can't force you. That analysis are for the players who want to read it. No problem!

[Guillotina]

Rule #4 Says: Play to your win condition.

Asking anyone to self hammer is asking to not play to their wincon!!!!

[Guillotina]

oh fuck no I am NOT reading all those linked posts, you need to actually weave a real thread of logic through Nero's posts vs. just reacting to everything he says if you want me to even consider dealing with that crap. As it is I'm writing that off as a bunch of circumstantial shit, if Guillo wants to convince me he's gonna have to break that shit DOWN.

By the way, how do you figure it is all circumstantial shit if you havent read it?

[Guillotina]

I thought about doing an analysis just on Pretentious the player, but I believe it is fair to do it on the slot so This is about

JacksonVirgo/Pretentious

slot

This is based on the posts up until the time I stopped reading Pretentious posts. I will catch up with any posts made after the last one mentioned here.


12 I didn't have to be such an asshole with this guy here.
398 I agree!
401 Votes Nero as a joke! Yah, it is not Japanese Cartoons... it's Anime!
408 The opening on this post is contradictory. "Ascetic claiming D1 for the reasons they did is probably Town." and "Whether or not someone should check the validity in that claim I don't think is needed as the claim is probably real regardless of alignment." ???????
Ok later he says The claim itself is likely to be real, unless they're insane. Alignment however is not confirmed. I still disagree, I've explained multiple times why so not going there again.

408 Declaring someone is easy town based on meta from one game is not a good idea. For all you know, Norwee knows this and could be faking it to fool you. Hence on COULD.
Mindmeld on JV's comment on Nero's 387

410 "Wtf" is the right reaction to that bullshit.
417 Fair point, let's not go deep on this though.
418 Townie reaction
419 Don't let scum break your spirit! If you let them, they win.
456 We townies can be lazy, we are not worried about looking good, we just play the game and catch wolves at the pace we want.
461 Calm townie reaction.
465 You let scum have this victory dude.

JacksonVirgo felt TOWNIE to me.

Now, pretentious subs in 300+ posts after JacksonVirgo's last post.

840 Unvotes Nero which is policy for subs. NAI
843 Fluff
905 ???
906 Disagree here.
991 Why? Do you townread IV too?
1034 I don't know how to take this from a guy that writes Mafia Theory and stuff.
1123 Yah I agree, compromises are dumb. People should form their own opinion on vote based on them. Don't let others control your voting power. I like confidence.
1125 Yah I don't like this vote specially because you said you havent read the thread. Hammering a player without info is scummy. If you are town you fucked up!
1126Let's go deep on this, if you normally wouldn't do this, why did you really do it then?
Was it a gamble or a gambit?

a) If you were a wolf and If he flipped town your slot would spew town people wolf and scum people town?
b) If you were a wolf and he flipped wolf you'd get town cred? This is under the pretense that no wolf buses on D1 which is highly unlikely.
c) If you were a townie and he flipped town, you'd have majorly fucked up and we'd yeet you next. Would town you risk that?
d) If you were townie and flipped wolf, you'd get town cred.

"a" sounds like suicidical gambit.
"b" sounds possible but not probable.
"c" sounds like gamethrowing.
"d" You are a hero but if not you threw the game.

Now which one is the right answer?

1221 Claims VT
1222 Let's see
It is true, scum would claim town PR to stop or delay, but you don't know the set up as it is closed and and an ability can check you and out you.
Vanilla Town would fakeclaim PR too, to stop their yeet and lure a NK to themselves instead of a potential town PR.
Wolf would claim VT in hopes the towns are naive enough to believe it, because a true vanilla town would never claim VT, they'd claim PR to lure a NK to themselves.
Town PR would never claim unless they got negative utility roles to spare real utility Town PRs from wasting it on them. Ascetic, Miller etc.
1225 No, it just proves that either alignment can make the same mistake, would experienced wolf you make that mistake? probably not, but anyone can mess up.
1226 To me the problem is not that you quickhammer but that you did without reason, you stated you had no information. That's monumentally anti-town.
1229 Don't unvote based on meta, also I scum read ABR.
1230 I town read Norwee, we good here. Your reason for townreading TGP is vague, I'm sure now that you read the thread more, you can tell me why you town read the Golden Paradox.
1231 You know self hammering is playing against your wincon, so this must be a trap to see who dares you.
1232 How is super in of character Gamma?
1233 He admits to a mistake good. Don't quick hammer without a reasonthough. Stop doing that.
1234 Townreads Norwee and Me.
1235 The sacrificial lamb and martyr part does not sound genuine.
1243 Mindmeld, I hate town policy yeeters. It can only be valid coming from scum because it is so anti-town. Who advocated policy yeeting there? Ooooh. Umlaut.
1247 Mindmeld on Nero, Gamma, TheGoldenParadox (yes really) and ABR.
1248 Quite a delicate but impeccable manipulation technique if you are scum here.
1252 Would you vote for that player now?
1254 I don't like what you implied here, me preventing your yeet here looks like a bail out but I'm not your damn teammate. If you flip scum, I will not let your teammates use this to spew me wolf.
1257 How is this useful to the game?
1264 If you are town and apparently you can't lurk anymore, what's gonna be your strategy to help town win? Or rather, what would be one of the strategies you'd use?
1265 I agree with NPOM, so I'll take that answer for me too.
1274 You do have a point. Scum!Nero controlling the room is definitely bad and looking into his ISO I see how bad it was to let him take control over the room and decide for non power players what's right to think, say or vote.
1276 You still didn't answer my question, why are you dodging?
1281 If you are town, I'd agree. I haven't seen the first player to slow down Nero until you came along.
1287 Looks that way. Unless this is some sort of high level scum theater.
1293 No no no no, attack the play not the player. First red flag here.
1297 Votes Nero
1352 I need to see this game to see who is lying.
1368 You were so willing to do it before. What changed? Was it also a trap?
1373 Aaah I see. You'd self-vote but not self-hammer, I can buy that.
1374 Yah, i feel it too.
1429 Thank you, it was not a question though. It was an affirmation.
1445 Looks like TMI slip up but... 5 wolves? If that is the case this game is scumsided.
1466 I have reasons to believe that Norwee is town besides the results of my analysis.
1548 It is possible to change personalities midgame, I've done it here.

Based on this Analysis I conclude that

Pretentious slot is town

the change of styles is obvious because JV and Pretentious are different people but they both noticed

[Guillotina]

they both noticed Nero scumminess

[Guillotina]

I believe Pretentious move on Muh is still ANTI-TOWN and he must refrain from quickhammer without gathering information in the future.

[Guillotina]

anti town moves can be townie.

scum are typically afraid to make anti town moves in general.

Well.. yah, but.. town making anti-town game throwing moves get them banned.

[Guillotina]

My vote for now is VOTE: Nero Cain

[Guillotina]

I feel like with a large number of experienced players in this game we should eliminate a an inexperience lurker day one. with the player pool there is likely to be a larger number of experienced Town than experienced scum. And I feel it is just a matter of time until we weet out the scum.

I have no problem with this. Let's get Non Imh.

How is a low poster lurker going to give us any info with his yeet?
What if that slot is a town PR

Im not voting here, if you want that lurker gone request a prod.

[Guillotina]

i'm only the 3rd most obv town.

Guillo and ABR both are more obv town than myself.

Why is ABR obvious town?

[Guillotina]

Judging by interactions between Taylor Swift and Nero, plus certain mindmelds with her in posts.

I will townread her for now.

[Guillotina]

My towncore is

Norwee
Pretentious
Taylor Swift

Scum

Nero Cain
ABR
TheGoldenParadox

Everyone else is null to me for different reasons and I will be looking into them shortly.

[Guillotina]

The point you raised about GoldenParadox is that I dont scumread him for inactivity, but the tonality of his few posts.

[Guillotina]

Save your pity for yourself, you are right to townread me because I am.

I briefly read some of this and I already got points to make, will get back to you as soon as I can.

[Guillotina]

Numerical order here match each reply to a quote in your rebuttal.

01) Noted

02) You can have an opinion and present it in a way that it's not trivializing when you are town. If you are scum and you identify key players that could be a threat to your survival, you'd start by devaluing the target. Now tell me if these terms would not make you feel devalued.

Hollow:

Without significance, meaningless, worthless, useless.

Generic:

lacking imagination or individuality; predictable and unoriginal.

This is your opinion of NPOM.... yah...

03) I'm not talking about that post, I'm talking about your attitude towards those people who disagree with you in this entire thread.

04) If he wanted to buddy me, he went the wrong way about it. He questioned my early day ascetic claim and managed to pissed me off when he teamed up with Norwee questioning it further. I null read him for it. I thought budding was something else entirely.

05) Playing along with it?

B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T

06) They did stay static though.

JacksonVirgo (Pretentious) - You pushed and continue to keep pushing this slot hard.
muh316 - You were in this wagon when Pretentious tried to quickhammer him.
Tayl0r Swift - I think you scumread her still?
Albert B. Rampage - How about this one?
innocentvillager - How about this other one?

Looks like an static list to me, looks like a hitman list? Based on early reads that are not meant to be static.

More to come!

[Guillotina]

I don't have any reason to think Nero is more scummy than say Pretentious so I am going to stick with my vote.

And i respect it. Whether you are right or wrong, your vote is your day phase power and yours alone.

[Guillotina]

Guillotina, I have a genuine question. How would you say a “god of mafia” forms reads, from an objective standpoint? Is tribalistic us-vs.-them logic part of it?

Formulate the question in a simpler way please.

[Guillotina]

God Of Mafia is a persona, a character, if you have roleplayed you'd understand what I mean. Sometimes I use him to light up the thread and gather reactions. God of Mafia is arrogant, self absorbed, egomaniac etc and he is good for that and just for that.

And no. I don't townread people that just agrees with me, I townread people who comes out town as a result of a deep analysis that sometimes I keep privately. I'm posting them now because I'm ascetic so this might as well be the only day phase I'll play, so I want my thoughts to help solve the game in the future. But everyone is put under scrutiny. Also sometimes, just sometimes I say I town read people when in my private notes they are scum or viceversa and I analyze engagement based on those public reads I post.

That said I'm only human and I can be wrong but that's a right and privilege that we townies have, to be able to be wrong and keep trying.

[Guillotina]

Nero's rebuttal Part 2

07) "FMPOV it wasn't impossible that JV saw my suspicion of the slot and then "joke" voted me. "

You are tinfoiling then. Focusing on what's possible not what's probable.

08) "that's like really really really not what this says. At most you could argue that I was scum that was trying to keep players from town reading JV. "

Noted

09) "yes? lulzaly throwing down a joke vote is a thing scum are plenty capable of doing."

It's clearly not the case here. If you were a fan of the Chargers and I voted you because of that, it has to be taken as a joke, no one is gonna take it seriously and you built a whole case based on an "OMGUS" based on something that cannot and must not be taken seriously.

10) "I agree but JV was being useless with theirs so...asking when someone is going to start being useful isn't rushing lol."

I thought you said that that vote was possible that it was serious, yet in there you had admitted that it was not a serious vote as you asked for a real one? And yet, aware of this, you still built a case to shade that slot around that vote?

11) "we've already talked about this and I still really don't get it. Like...slot B is scummier than slot C slot M is scummier than slot T. "

You are the one that don't get it because your subconscious is playing you. You townread Norwee but in your speech you are naturally calling him scummy by implying that A, B, C slots are SCUMMIER than Norwee. In others words, you maybe said that you townread him but at a subconscious level you didn't believe it? Maybe?

12) "unless I missed it where IV also claimed ascetic then letting Duke know that IV wasn't a claimed ascetic seems like an okish thing to do. y do you have a problem with this? "

I don't, I missed that. I thought you were referring about me because I'm the one that claimed it. My bad on that one

13) "i think I got it now. You think my use of the word scummier is saying that I was scum reading Norway, I wasn't. "

I'll believe you then.

14) In post 545 "idk, they keep asking about you and I low key feel like "how do you read my buddy?" is a thing scum do. or it could just be scum them trying to break up our bromance and make me paranoid."

How come you are not paranoid that you have a bromance with Norwee? I townread people but not enough to make them my buddies... is that budding someone?

15) "my reasons for why I suspected Taylor were there. Having actually played with scum Taylor its right out of her playbook to lie and ask ppl to do busy work. It's annoying and I'm allowed to be annoyed that she won't just read my ISO instead of making me repeat myself."

I can get behind that, it is indeed annoying. But couldn't you cooperate anyways? I mean being cooperative is pro-town and lazy looks anti-town, she'd only look bad if she didn't make the effort and you'd look good if you did. No?

16) "I'm saying that it's not hard to get reads so Taylor saying she was having a hard time getting reads/feels seemed fake to me."

So you are saying that from your experience with Taylor, she usually does not have a hard time getting reads/feels when she is town? Or she does this regardless of alignment?

17) "Didn't you argue that you shouldn't be scumread b/c a lot of players town read you? It's just a question guy."

"A lot of players" imply more than two. Hence on "A lot" as opposed to "A couple"... yah. When several players town read you is consensus. Your expectations in this case are delusional.

18) "lol guy she's actively saying that her town reads can't be right. It's a scummy take. Like Taylor doesn't HAVE to agree but she's outright not playing with her supposed team."

And it's ok to doubt what's in the mind of her town core cause you know, pocketing, budding and Positive Reality Support exist. Just because i townread Pretentious now, it does not mean I'll work with him if I see that he continues to raise red flags, wouldn't you agree?

19) "no, he's not. I've not been fluffy. I mean maybe I hyper post but I haven't been posting emptily. If I have diffrent opinions than you or him it doesn't mean that I'm manipulating anyone."

Having different opinions is one thing, everyone have them. But how you deliver those opinions to get your way is manipulation. You've got caught shading, gaslightning, devaluing and trivializing people.When you are town you need to stop being so anti-town and anti-people, this is not what power town is about.

Also, everytime you post "LOL", it makes me think you are not taking what I say seriously and that makes me scum read you more, just so you know.

[Guillotina]

I read pages 1-39 tonight. I'll come back again Sunday to try and finish 39-80ish and then Monday morning I can catch 80ish-all the way caught up. That's my plan at least. In my review of Page 1-39, Nero is the one that sticks out to me.

-256 Why is Nero literally sheeping exactly what Norway said about TS being scummy, when Nero says he has never played with town Taylor?
-299 Nero putting together scum team speculations on D1 is bad and he should know better
-414 Nero says JV is angry but JV hasn't been angry at all, why is Nero shading him inaccurately?
-Nero is SO diplomatic this game it hurts, because based on my other game with him where we were both town, it was NOT this way. He was hostile, intense, and aggressive. Why is he different this time? Is he trying to be more winsome to not get faded out?
--Nero in 570 totally dismisses Taylor who made a valid point

I see there's good momentum on him right now so I will add to that. VOTE: Nero

If Nero is being diplomatic here, I don't wanna know what his hostile mode is.

[Guillotina]

The part 2 of my answers to the rebuttal was supposed to be inside an spoilers tag.... RIP spoilers.

[Guillotina]

shading, gaslightning,

devaluing and trivializing

like I think you are just so empathetic and woke that when you see something that's "mean" or can be interpreted as mean you ascribe scum behavior to it when

scum would do the exact opposite and try to not ruffle anyone's feathers.

the shading accusation is dumb.

Being suspicious of someone for something is scumhunting.

Do you think I'm stupid enough to believe that wolves are that one-dimensional? Come on now. Don't insult my intelligence.

I guess you and I disagree on that. You can scum hunt without being toxic. You can only get away with toxicity if you are scum. If you are scum here I'll praise your game because you did what you were supposed to do, drive people insane. But if you are town... my advice is that you should go back to your roots and see how you can become a power town without being so "mean".

I need to rest. Good night.

[Guillotina]

TGP is posting all over this site...so maybe Guil is right.

OGI

smh

[Guillotina]

????

When was the last time you read this site's rules? Go check them.

[Guillotina]

thats not against site rules but if it were im getting modkilled and you get my flip wich is what you wanted right?

It is. Dont try to make case around it and go search for OGI. Drop this!

Im moving on to identify other scum subjects. My vote stays.

[Guillotina]

It is as it is against the rules.

[Guillotina]

I am town. I am no longer frustrated. I simply do not care.

Pretentious, who are your town reads and scum reads as of now and why please?

[Guillotina]

Besides Nero

[Guillotina]

I wish thete was a widget to post the current vote count here.

@Mod vote count please. It's been a long time since i saw the last one

[Guillotina]

Do you think I'm stupid enough to believe that wolves are that one-dimensional? Come on now.

Don't insult my intelligence

.

I mean, you're voting town so I think you don't need me to do it.

NERO IS BEING MEAN. HE'S SCUMMY. is like all I hear anymore.

God Of Mafia is a persona, a character, if you have roleplayed you'd understand what I mean. Sometimes I use him to light up the thread and gather reactions. God of Mafia is arrogant, self absorbed, egomaniac etc and he is good for that and just for that.

Fair enough.
Though I still feel like you’re letting your own biases rule you.

What biases are those? This is my first game with Nero.

[Guillotina]

Glitch
TheDuke
TheGoldenParadox
Umlaut
May
Non lmh
DrippingGoofball

I'd like to see more posts from you. You are about 40% of the player list and you have not contributed much.

[Guillotina]

Glitch
TheDuke
TheGoldenParadox
Umlaut
May
Non lmh
DrippingGoofball

I'd like to see more posts from you. You are about 40% of the player list and you have not contributed much.

Yeah I know
Maybe in a few days I'll feel better but I'm really down on mafia right now.

Pfffff this is like asking us to let you coast the game because you are not feeling it. Nope!

[Guillotina]

This ain’t my read on you. I’m sheeping because Guillo is doing more work than anyone, and I know for a fact their read is correct on me so I know they’re in a good place, they might not have the correct scum reads, but they’re better than anyone to trust in this game right now.

They have a correct read on me, they could easily just have a correct read on you.

This is some scum logic.
"Yeah i’ll just sheep mr pocketed John because he thinks i’m town so why wouldn’t you be scum???"
Really?

Im not gonna lie, he's been avoiding my questions. He is still uncooperative and the “trusting guill more than my own reads” sounds like too much bootlicking. I don't trust anyone's reads over my own now because there is always the doubt of “what if I'm wrong”, but he does not seem to be burdened by doubt about me. Maybe he knows I'm town.

If we’re absolutely letting scum!Flavour of the hook today i’d be willing to vote some of the scummy bugs crawling out of the woodwork to vote Nero before going back to lurking.
These include: DrippingGoofball and Glitch,

Those two would offer no info upon their deaths.

How about Gamma or ABR?

Is there a possibility that this set up has a third party?

[Guillotina]

Do you think I'm stupid enough to believe that wolves are that one-dimensional? Come on now.

Don't insult my intelligence

.

I mean, you're voting town so I think you don't need me to do it.

NERO IS BEING MEAN. HE'S SCUMMY. is like all I hear anymore.

God Of Mafia is a persona, a character, if you have roleplayed you'd understand what I mean. Sometimes I use him to light up the thread and gather reactions. God of Mafia is arrogant, self absorbed, egomaniac etc and he is good for that and just for that.

Fair enough.
Though I still feel like you’re letting your own biases rule you.

What biases are those? This is my first game with Nero.

You seem pre-disposed against Nero and are letting people who “agree” with you feed your ego in a maybe-manipulative way
If I’m wrong tell me pls

You are wrong.

Why do you town read Nero? Who else do you townread?
How about scums?

[Guillotina]

Also, Guil having no correct scumreads would please me greatly

Scummy.

Hoping town to have no correct scumreads is hoping town to fail.

[Guillotina]

What if Nero and Boon are both scum? Just from different parties? or Nero realized that Boon messed up and decided to make this super high-level scum theater to spew each other town when one of them flip red?

How likely is that? This is a question for those who got meta on them.

[Guillotina]

Ehhh, Nero/Pretentious doesn’t feel very SvS. I highly doubt that.

SvS?

[Guillotina]

Scum vs Scum never mind

[Guillotina]

Ehhh, Nero/Pretentious doesn’t feel very SvS. I highly doubt that.

Doubt. Meaning there could be a chance although remote for you. Correct?

Elaborate on that unlikely chance.

[Guillotina]

What do you think about Tay? @Norwee

[Guillotina]

Ehhh, Nero/Pretentious doesn’t feel very SvS. I highly doubt that.

Doubt. Meaning there could be a chance although remote for you. Correct?

Elaborate on that unlikely chance.

Nah not really.
I have very good knowledge of typical SvS interactions, and this isn’t it.

Ok. Thank you.

Anyone else wanna chip in about this?

[Guillotina]

Also, Guil having no correct scumreads would please me greatly

Scummy.

Hoping town to have no correct scumreads is hoping town to fail.

OMG. Its like playing with Jake from state farm.

I dont know what that means and if that is intended as an insult it is not gonna help your cause.
If i misunderstood this comment should have been used to tell me what you really meant.

[Guillotina]

Glitch
TheDuke
TheGoldenParadox
Umlaut
May
Non lmh
DrippingGoofball

I'd like to see more posts from you. You are about 40% of the player list and you have not contributed much.

Yeah I know
Maybe in a few days I'll feel better but I'm really down on mafia right now.

Pfffff this is like asking us to let you coast the game because you are not feeling it. Nope!

My high effort game has 100% failure rate, it makes everyone want to yeet me.

And then when I flip town my reads are ignored and no one looks at the wagon.

You can't dictate the amount of effort I am willing to put in.

You are right. I can't dictate it... but you are being proposed as options for yeeting, i think it is in your best interest to show you are useful.

[Guillotina]

I'm heavily considering that Nero/Pretentious could be Scum/Third Party

Leaving this for ISO purposes

[Guillotina]

INSULTING ME IS SCUMMY

Jake from State Farm was a very bad player that got site banned (i think) We played twice but the second game was a mini normal. I had solved the game. Jake, who was still scumreading me, fussed at me and we got into it. ok right? So in the course of things I called him a town terrorist.

A

TOWN

TERRORIST.

You know what he told me?

INSULTING ME IS SCUMMY

like it wasn't really meant as an insult but I could see how you'd take it as an insult but that's how I feel.

I hope you figure things out!

Hmm ok. Noted. Thanks

[Guillotina]

Actually that's a little scum sided probably 12/4/1

Could be but 3P is pretty likely in a large setup isn't it?

Mindmeld here. Given the context of the conversation i don't think this is a slip up.

[Guillotina]

My high effort game has 100% failure rate, it makes everyone want to yeet me.

And then when I flip town my reads are ignored and no one looks at the wagon.

You can't dictate the amount of effort I am willing to put in.

You are right. I can't dictate it... but you are being proposed as options for yeeting, i think it is in your best interest to show you are useful.

Being useful isn't panning out for me, I am finishing my current game commitments and then I will go back to hiatus.

This sounds like a player who does not care about this game.

[Guillotina]

I think assuming or hunting a 3p is scummy or dumb. Like scum will hunt 3p b/c they can't hunt themselves. If there's an SK they'll be 2 kills unless they hit the same target so I think speculating on that is dumb.

ofc Guil will take that as me soft claiming 3p but...lol

No you are not 3P, you didnt play a game characteristic of a 3P, you play like scum whose been playing this so long and is butthurt a noob caught you. 3P fits more with Pretentious.

[Guillotina]

I town read NPOM

[Guillotina]

3P hunting at this point is futile/scummy.
Let’s not make assumptions.

This gives me the same vibes as before. Feels like a there is a pocket involved in nero/norwee relationship.

Norwee i will ask again. What do you think about Taylor

[Guillotina]

Guillotina my read accuracy on Nero is quite good. And i townread him here. If you believe i’m town then i implore you to trust me on this read for at least today.

Ok. I'll bite.

UNVOTE: Nero Cain

What should we do next Norwee?

[Guillotina]

@Taylor Swift , what do you think about Nero?

[Guillotina]

Feels like a there is a pocket involved in nero/norwee relationship.

You know me and Nero have a history of agreeing a lot right? I don’t think it’s correct to assume there has to be an pocket involved just because we agree on many things.

I dont know you both much less your history. Unless you mean history in this game alone then I would say yah.

Nero, have you ever felt at one point that Norwee could have pocketed you? Or you cooperate with her because of genuine mindmelds and such?
Same question for Norwee but switching places obviously.

This is a serious question, please, no smartass or underhanded remarks.

[Guillotina]

What should we do next Norwee?

I think my preferred view has been laid quite clear. Vote Boon lol.
But i could vote Glitch or Drippinggoofball if people are too unwilling to lim there.

Show me why either of them are scum, with evidence, please.

[Guillotina]

I'm heavily considering that Nero/Pretentious could be Scum/Third Party

Leaving this for ISO purposes

It's possible Pretentious is 3P.

Now. Is it probable?

[Guillotina]

Nero, have you ever felt at one point that Norwee could have pocketed you? Or you cooperate with her because of genuine mindmelds and such?

not really, no. The only time I felt Norway could be scummy is when he kept defending Taylor. Norway and I have played several times now and I think we think very much alike and it's why we get along so well.

Also, why do ppl keep calling norway a girl?

Lol. I've called him as girl not out of spite or anything, it's just his avatar is really girly and confuses me.

[Guillotina]

Like i know our avatars got nothing to do with us besides we thinking they are cool. But unconsciously im assuming im talking to a girl avatar.

When i refer as him or her in a game even if it is not the right pronoun, dont take offense.

[Guillotina]

Guillotina, go to my wiki and skim my games as both town and scum. Tell me if it changes your read on me.

Link me up

[Guillotina]

Guillotina, go to my wiki and skim my games as both town and scum. Tell me if it changes your read on me.

Link me up

u clik on his name and then go to the wiki page link

He said to skim his games as both alignments, it is easier for him to link me to those games than me trying to find them.

[Guillotina]

Guillotina, go to my wiki and skim my games as both town and scum. Tell me if it changes your read on me.

Link me up

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... B._Rampage

Thank you

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Non Imh

For no reason.

What are you trying to divert with your non sensical scummy vote?

[Guillotina]

I will not sheep you Norwee.

I take responsibility for my votes.

Pretentious, i never townread you, the result in my analysis is that you were scum and you tried to sheep me without reason. Your excessive bootlicking is sus and feels like you'd intent to spew me wolf when you flipped red.
Nero and you coming out as scum in my results tell me that either of you would give town the most information but i tried to see who would the most. Your uncooperative behavior to do anything besides kissing my ass tells me your flip will inform town the most.

VOTE: Pretentious

[Guillotina]

wow this is better than we hoped. *high five team*

Is it? Tell me all about it.

[Guillotina]

Flavour can be the new enemy of the people.

Who was the old enemy of the people?

[Guillotina]

@Albert B. Rampage if you are town, you are the player with the highest chance to figure this out.

OTHER NOTES

I think the chances of a 3P in the game are moderately high.

I think there is a team in Norwee/Taylor but I'm not sure what alignment.

I think there is a hard pocket between Nero/Norwee

I think DrippingGoofball tried to cause a diversion or take a bullet for someone but I don't know who'd it favor.

I think I will die on Night 1, see who'd feel so threatened that they had to kill a mere ascetic villager to eliminate that threat.

If there is no 3P possibility, I think Nero/Pretentious could just be doing scum theater, it is imperative that Nero is investigated.

[Guillotina]

VOTE: non I’ll hop on this wagon for now at least

Who is non?

[Guillotina]

@Albert B. Rampage if you are town, you are the player with the highest chance to figure this out.

Where did this come from all of a sudden?

I read your games as you suggested.