Open 805 Panic Room Day 1

[Gamma Emerald]

What is up with all you fine specimens?
VOTE: Notmafia
Need I say why?

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s a gr8 sig

[Gamma Emerald]

Let’s add a dungeons and dragons hydra to make it ultra confusing

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey guys welcome back to another mafia analyzation post! So uhh... as you can see, this game has just started and people alrrady made a lot of posts. But before you continue I'd like to mention that 0 percent of you are actually subscribed to this post so make sure you subscribe and click that bell to turn on the notifications. OK where did we left off again? Yeah right... As you can see PenguinPower has been eating that bag of 甘粟 for the last few years which is clearly against the laws of physics so he's definitely an alien to spy on us. Hydras are a type of snakes and snakes are dangerous, so the two hydrae we see in this game are definitely dangerous too. Green crayons are inanimate objects but this specific Green Crayon somehow developed into a living organism. Maybe that organism is made out of green crayons. Totally alien. MURDERCAT might murder me at any time so very scummy. N_M is a jester and judging fron his apperance, he is probably also an alien. Shadowslug is a slug so that is suspicious. Gamma Emerald is also an inanimate object which could've mutated. Alien. Infinity is not clear on his vote (D&D). Although we can assume which hydra he is voting for, but that is something that our sponsor for today - Mafiascum will do! Mafiascum is a website for you to play mafia games freely and make friends or foes! Don't mind too much about the foe part though. If you click the link in the description down below you will get an 100% discount on your account. Please enjoy this post and have fun!

*insert dial-up noises as I try to process this post*
This is gourmet-level shitposting

[Gamma Emerald]

Honestly though my gut is telling me that the trend on my homesite is that type of post comes from scum more often than not
VOTE: YyottaCat

[Gamma Emerald]

Uh its just not a post scum makes?

~ skitter

Why?

[Gamma Emerald]

I just had that in mind and then I decided to waste 10 minutes of my life to write that.

Oh so it was a thing you had in mind before the game started?

[Gamma Emerald]

i might be new but that doesnt mean you should say "newbie did this" for every move i make

it's like saying the "new guy" when you have a new person at school. it's a little patronising

I think this is a town post

[Gamma Emerald]

Uh its just not a post scum makes?

~ skitter

nervous isn't the right word but this seems like you're getting annoyed at their questioning of you in a defensive way

Eh it was more that i dont have words to elborate than being defensive i would say

I already have townpings on 4 slots!

~ skitter

Also probably town

[Gamma Emerald]

Very “new player scum behavior”

Not

“Very new player” scum behavior

Trying to break this down
You’re saying it comes off as newbish over scummish, while the thing you’re trying to NOT say is that it’s newbscum behavior?

[Gamma Emerald]

Slug’s post seems a bit glitzy in a way scum wouldn’t want
For skitter I just relate to that post on a personal level

[Gamma Emerald]

Had to reread to make sure I read the situation correctly

Here's my intepration:

Skitter: yyotta is townie
Infinity: I disagree with reads of this nature
Skitter: I didn't make that read

The problem is skitter immediately defends their thought process rather than trying to correct Infinity. As far as i can see skitter never says why Yyotta's opening is not scum. It was immediately on the defensive. That's why it pinged me.

Tbh I find infinity’s post more concerning than skitter’s
Felt like it was making skitter’s yyotta read into something it wasn’t

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah
I had a game where I felt very defensive about my play but in part it was because I couldn’t articulate why I felt my play was being unfairly attacked well enough

[Gamma Emerald]

(That was a town game jsyk)

[Gamma Emerald]

i don't fully know how to explain that one, it just doesn't

it's just like a little too 'bold' for (newb) scum to make i think; scum would have to feel p darn comfortable to have an entrance like that, and i'm not sure i see it

~ skitter

Based on yyottacat’s sig idk if she really can be called a newb? Tho if yyottacat is a newb I feel like having a prepared post like that could actually be scum indicative

[Gamma Emerald]

I am reading and not posting at every instance, yes!

Weird that you would expect me to.

Man now I’m concerned about you
Where’s your pagetop stealing my dude?

[Gamma Emerald]

Haha this one’s mine tho

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbh I find infinity’s post more concerning than skitter’s
Felt like it was making skitter’s yyotta read into something it wasn’t

I mean, now that skitter described it, is "comfortable" really that much different from "vibing"? I still feel like I was talking about something adjacent to what skitter's read was

huh
I expected you to take the chance to acknowledge I had a point
digging in your heels like that feels like a town move

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

that emote was towards mcat and GC both posting things I have some concerns about
not NM's thing

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm guessing that last thing is salsabil

[Gamma Emerald]

you have weird nicknames for people and that one I connected with salsabil
salsabil > salisbury

[Gamma Emerald]

wanna explain how that comment led to a shadowslug vote?

[Gamma Emerald]

MURDERCAT your play feels kinda flat rn
what's up?

[Gamma Emerald]

okay
I'm just seeing that your current commentary seems devoted to optimal mechplay, which isn't that bad until factoring in that flatness

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you want a hot take?
I'm voting scum

I’m right there with you

[Gamma Emerald]

actually fug it i change my mind

VOTE: Green Crayons

i thought about it some more and your infinity miselim argument thing pressuposes infinity is town... if anything it shows

you're

informed about his role, not me

This argument checks out.
Probably.

[Gamma Emerald]

>:/

[Gamma Emerald]

This interaction between lilith and auro seems rather pointless

[Gamma Emerald]

This interaction between lilith and auro seems rather pointless

Concur.

Any feelings re cat's recent posts?

Still just feels like nonsense non-content

[Gamma Emerald]

I usually get scumread in almost every game I play (even out of this site) so it's no surprise that I get scumread in this game. I disagree with whoever said that the fact that newb scum gets more lost than newb town players though. I just don't know what to post. If I'm scum, I'd be posting more than that because I'll then be the informed minority with more information about this game.

how is that correlated

[Gamma Emerald]

I usually get scumread in almost every game I play (even out of this site) so it's no surprise that I get scumread in this game. I disagree with whoever said that the fact that newb scum gets more lost than newb town players though. I just don't know what to post. If I'm scum, I'd be posting more than that because I'll then be the informed minority with more information about this game.

how is that correlated

If you look at my previous games that I'm not being an idiot in then you'll know that I get scumread for basically the same reasons: not being so active, post content suspicious. I'm trying to be an active and helpful townie, but apparently I lack the ability to do so.

yeah because your "being active and helpful" is just asking questions you shouldn't be asking

[Gamma Emerald]

I read one of yyotta's towngames (I think) and it was actually kinda okay, pretty meh play but not the completely off-base stuff I see here. There was also genuine-looking content further in the ISO
my vote stays.

[Gamma Emerald]

I read one of yyotta's towngames (I think) and it was actually kinda okay, pretty meh play but not the completely off-base stuff I see here. There was also genuine-looking content further in the ISO
my vote stays.

You probably read a newbie game. A lot pf the games that I've played are in the Everybody Edits Forums.

okay
but why aren't you playing like you did in that newbie game?

[Gamma Emerald]

waow

[Gamma Emerald]

Why y’all gotta have so much drama
I think dumbo’s townblock is okay though

[Gamma Emerald]

Why y’all gotta have so much drama
I think dumbo’s townblock is okay though

You have a question mark though.

I can approve of a townblock I’m not “in” per se

[Gamma Emerald]

sorry
it's just I'm having trouble making any useful sense of y'alls interaction so I'm kinda disdainful towards it
like "all this talk kinda amounted to nothing ime"

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: MURDERKITTY

~ skitter

GAHAHA IT’S HAPPENING!!!!

VOTE: murderkitty

wut

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m sorry but I can’t have fun in mafia games as town, Cakez? Is that what you’re saying?
I actually feel like I vibed pretty hard in a game murder and infinity were both in

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m sorry but I can’t have fun in mafia games as town, Cakez? Is that what you’re saying?

...Is that what you think he's saying?

That feels like it

[Gamma Emerald]

Also can someone come up with a good reason for MCat being scum or is this just because he’s not a TR yet
I feel like most games MCat gets pressed early as town

[Gamma Emerald]

Also can someone come up with a good reason for MCat being scum or is this just because he’s not a TR yet
I feel like most games MCat gets pressed early as town

how do you feel about his yyotta vote?

think who you're asking that question to

[Gamma Emerald]

that's precisely why I'm asking it.

for example, I can support shadow votes without liking yyotta's vote on shadow.

I want to know how you assess MURDER's yyotta vote park.

Well I've done the exact same thing pretty much, so I don't see much wrong with it, especially from a neutral POV (though the effectiveness of the term neutral is questionable)

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m sorry but I can’t have fun in mafia games as town, Cakez? Is that what you’re saying?
I actually feel like I vibed pretty hard in a game murder and infinity were both in

That's obviously not what I was getting at and I'm not sure why you're taking it that way

-Dragons

I felt like it was the start of a bad-faith push

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay, but not great

[Gamma Emerald]

that's precisely why I'm asking it.

for example, I can support shadow votes without liking yyotta's vote on shadow.

I want to know how you assess MURDER's yyotta vote park.

Well I've done the exact same thing pretty much, so I don't see much wrong with it, especially from a neutral POV (though the effectiveness of the term neutral is questionable)

Disagree. You’ve interacted with yyotta in a way that seemed to try to get her to play in a more constructive manner.

Why are you still voting yyotta after y’all’s back and forth?

Mixture of not convinced by yyotta’s posting to back off and don’t think there’s anyone I feel calls for my vote more

[Gamma Emerald]

@Cakez

what is your opinion of Murdercat rn?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: not_mafia
wynaut

[Gamma Emerald]

Because murdercat is a much better wagon and an nm wagon is the epitome of lazy voting.

what about murdercat
you guys are probably way off base on him, he very often gets wagoned early like this as town rather than as scum
how can I not see the votes on murdercat as just a little bit lazy

[Gamma Emerald]

Whose replace-in, might I ask?

[Gamma Emerald]

Half of you are buying into a stupid-ass agenda I’m pretty sure

[Gamma Emerald]

Very conflicted. I think his posting isolated is very scummy but I also can buy his excuse that he was burned out by the BooneyToonz game and I did like his post where he cased Penguin. Would yeet in lack of other better wagons.

Here’s the thing: you ALSO saw what happened in Among Us. Tell me Murder’s play/reception differs from that game at all.

[Gamma Emerald]

If you believe me about murdercat being a miselim why do you think I’m scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

MURDERCAT [6, E-3] outworldER, Akarin, xRECKONERx, alisae, sircakez, battle mage (thegoldenparadox)
The only scum on this in that game, SirCakez, voted around the middle of what was need to lim
NM is in the same place if murdercat is a miselim this game
So like, how is my NM vote bad given that?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t think murdercat’s play is substantially different from that game/any of his other town games, and the fact he’s getting early pressure to this degree tells me he’s town
In booneytoonz XV I recall there was a D1 wagon on him but it was rather short-lived
Meanwhile like, every other town game I’ve seen from him he’s been rather suspected. So imo the trend is “if murdercat gets sussed a lot early he is town”

[Gamma Emerald]

BTXV just finished
So saying Murdercat still has 1 scumgame is a critical logic failure bordering on misrepresentation

[Gamma Emerald]

hey penguin wanna join the juicy gamma wagon?

- Daenerys

You know what, do it. I fucking DARE you.

[Gamma Emerald]

No one is bothering to honestly engage with me here so I’ll just let my flip speak for itself

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ve tried to respond but I’m not getting any feeling that YOU actually care for what I’m saying.

[Gamma Emerald]

And not to mention the fact you’re using a blatantly outdated point

[Gamma Emerald]

No one is bothering to honestly engage with me here so I’ll just let my flip speak for itself

what a misrep. I asked you questions about the murder wagon.

If you think murder is town, then are people being actively opportunistic about wagoning him? What do you think about penguin convincing dumb&dumber to vote back on murder after auro voted NM for lolz?

and your response is to pretend that I’m not engaging with you?

- Daenerys

I kinda felt like I addressed that in another post
I don’t particularly feel like many scum are on murdercat, otherwise I wouldn’t be debating like this, I’d just lim the scum. But I feel like outside of Cakez and infinity, NM is the only one here who should have a decent idea of how murdercat is, but he just lazily voted murder

[Gamma Emerald]

And not to mention the fact you’re using a blatantly outdated point

BTXV just finished

blatantly outdated point

just finished

By how I was acting you should have been able to infer I was referring to a recently completed game.
I’m beginning to suspect you’re scum and really not interacting in good faith here at all.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hold up.

[Gamma Emerald]

@MURDERCAT

what did you mean by “your one scum game”?
I feel like depending on this I have a solid binary of where scum is.
UNVOTE: because straight up stating NM is not involved in that binary

[Gamma Emerald]

No one is bothering to honestly engage with me here so I’ll just let my flip speak for itself

what a misrep. I asked you questions about the murder wagon.

If you think murder is town, then are people being actively opportunistic about wagoning him? What do you think about penguin convincing dumb&dumber to vote back on murder after auro voted NM for lolz?

and your response is to pretend that I’m not engaging with you?

- Daenerys

I kinda felt like I addressed that in another post
I don’t particularly feel like many scum are on murdercat, otherwise I wouldn’t be debating like this, I’d just lim the scum. But I feel like outside of Cakez and infinity, NM is the only one here who should have a decent idea of how murdercat is, but he just lazily voted murder

Are you under the impression that NM does anything not lazily?
Why do you think he should “know how murdercat is” and that this is town!murder?

- Daenerys

He was in a game where town!murdercat was limmed D1

[Gamma Emerald]

And honestly the biggest issue I fucking have is that MURDERCAT GETS TOWNIER AS THE GAME PROGRESSES AS TOWN. ELIMINATING HIM EARLY IS LEGITIMATELY SHIT PLAY.

[Gamma Emerald]

not anymore
I s2g do you fuckers have any reading comprehension at all?

[Gamma Emerald]

@MURDERCAT

what did you mean by “your one scum game”?
I feel like depending on this I have a solid binary of where scum is.
UNVOTE: because straight up stating NM is not involved in that binary

UNVOTE: because straight up stating NM is not involved in that binary

like holy shit how dense are you?????

[Gamma Emerald]

Here's the thing: I legitimately don't actively solve early unless driven by emotions or something. I do this for three reasons: I'm lazy, it helps get through the most active stages of larger games where trying to keep up is nigh impossible, and it lowers my NK worth. That last point wasn't always a reason for it but after mini 2173 I realized I actually had enough impact to get NKed over reputation versus my play in that game, so now I deliberately sandbag to try to get farther, which I'm sure you've seen other players do. Flavor Leaf and mastina might be the leading names in that regard for me, though idrk if the latter qualifies. But the point is the fact I haven't been actively searching for scum is part of how I play these days, but atp I'm pissed off enough to switch to active mode.

[Gamma Emerald]

And honestly the biggest issue I fucking have is that MURDERCAT GETS TOWNIER AS THE GAME PROGRESSES AS TOWN. ELIMINATING HIM EARLY IS LEGITIMATELY SHIT PLAY.

And my issue is you can't say that he doesn't as scum so it's nai. Stop relying solely on meta for which you don't have an established comparison.

it's bad.

Actually BTXV showed he really doesn't get townier as time passes in scumgames. He was wagoned in 7p and 5p limlo, predominantly by town iirc.
So no, I have an example of the converse, try again smartass.

[Gamma Emerald]

and honestly, to talk about why I'm so vitriolic for a bit
I'm legitimately just

in a bad mood

. I was like this a bit yesterday, and I had events today that just made things worse. I feel like my feelings and circumstances are being trampled so I'm lashing out in a space rn where the consequences feel lesser.

[Gamma Emerald]

I can do it and not be suspicious, is the thing

[Gamma Emerald]

and honestly, to talk about why I'm so vitriolic for a bit
I'm legitimately just

in a bad mood

. I was like this a bit yesterday, and I had events today that just made things worse. I feel like my feelings and circumstances are being trampled so I'm lashing out in a space rn where the consequences feel lesser.

okay then take a break from the thread.

- Daenerys

Not when so many people seem content to let what I perceive as a probable miselim happen.

[Gamma Emerald]

and yet you’re suspicious here

- Daenerys

which I honestly don't fucking get either

[Gamma Emerald]

I will say that the last couple pages have made me more confident in town penguin

Why?

[Gamma Emerald]

@infinity
catboi’s post sums up most of it I think, have you read and responded to this?

Actually just looked at your ISO and you don’t seem to have mentioned this post at all, which is interesting because this is probably the biggest scumcase on murder so far, and you seemingly hard townread this slot before catboi replaced in. Is there a reason you haven’t responded to catboi on murder or engaged with catboi at all?

- Daenerys

I read the post, it didn't really do anything for me. Most of it is like, murder is making lazy pushes and reasoning because he's kinda being lazy this game. If you're interested I can respond to it in more depth

I don’t really need a response to the points in particular.

I find the argument “murder could be lazy as town” to just be not very appealing. Like, anyone can be lazy as town. They can also just be scum. Yall are saying murder is lazy!town here. Gamma says he’s lazy!town. NM is lazy as both alignments. Everyone else is putting in effort. who do we elim then if everyone suspicious just says they’re being lazy town? there needs to be a line drawn somewhere. as a side note, I also intensely dislike the concept of sandbagging on principle. like, just play the game you signed up for. if you plan to not play the game, then don’t come crying when you get pressured for it.

you say let’s wagon NM but that is the easiest elimination of all time. I’m not concerned about deepwolf!NM. I am concerned about other players skating by because “oh they’re just lazy town.” like if NM is where the wagon ends up, fine, but I think that’s an absolute last resort. there are three scum, so I’m going to keep trying to figure out who the team is. both you and gamma do not seem to care that there would be two other scum.

- Daenerys

yes, there are three scum
atm I don't think murdercat is any of them
NM could be, so could others but I haven't probed for them yet
I don't like the way you try to act like because there's three scum it invalidates our concerns about the murdercat lim and those pushing it

[Gamma Emerald]

finished Murdercat games informing my perspective here

Booneytoonz XV - mafia (traitor), survived
Among Us - town, survived
Micro 977 - town, survived
Micro 983 - town, survived
Mini Normal 2170 - town, limmed D1
Open 796 (haunted village) - town, survived

If you look at how murdercat got through all of those games you'll see a very consistent trend of town!murdercat getting pushed early and/or often

[Gamma Emerald]

If you look at how murdercat got through all of those games you'll see a very consistent trend of town!murdercat getting pushed early and/or often

but see:

And my issue is you can't say that he doesn't as scum so it's nai. Stop relying solely on meta for which you don't have an established comparison.

I'm saying your perspective on murdercat is way smaller than mine or infinity's, and as such you should listen to what I'm saying, which is to give him time since he becomes stronger as town further along in the game, and I think based on how things have developed he is town
I'm not just metaing murdercat, I'm metaing the scenario

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I do wish he would post more since he said he would be, but is leaving the thread and "hoping the wagon dissipates" something scum actually do ever? Idk

Infinity I'm concerned you have to ask this question.

[Gamma Emerald]

I actually don't remember a time when scum has lurked out a wagon hoping it dissipates, but maybe there's been a time where it happened and I though the scum was just demotivated or something

It just seems like a very dumb thing to do and I don't think that's really how wagons work, maybe in larges idk

that's
what I used to do

[Gamma Emerald]

also I think we're kinda at a point were we all want the same thing more-or-less but just have different perspectives which is keeping us from seeing eye-to-eye

[Gamma Emerald]

yes
but there's something more I'm feeling beyond that

[Gamma Emerald]

yyottacat can you write up a quick read list
I just need to see where you're at

I’m disappointed tbh gamma

also I didn't bring this up early but why'd you hop on this train, it seems a bit out of place given you don't know me

[Gamma Emerald]

!

[Gamma Emerald]

THAT WAS NOT MY INTENT

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think so
It was already nebulous when I had the feeling and I've lost the zest I had in the moment

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma seems a little suspicious.

Infinity, GC, KITTY, Salsabil, PP are my TR.
Everyone else seems null.

can you define why you find me suspicious?
this does sorta answer my question tho

[Gamma Emerald]

(i) Can you explain more about 347, 372 and 472? I don't understand.

(ii) Why did you think Dumb and Dumber's was okay (refer: 653)?

(iii) What is your current read about Infinity 324 (refer: 824)?

(iv) Reason (refer: 984)?

347 I was asking a small question to feel infinity out and I felt he responded in a way that made more waves, which felt towny
372 I felt their interaction was a bit of distancing (which now that I remember that I'm probably gonna have to retrace my steps and see how I really feel in that front)
472 I had gut pings from GC so I was like "this

might

be a good expression what I'm feeling"

dumbo's townblock seemed okay because shadowslug seemed genuine, so did infinity, and I was okay letting you be included

I still read infinity as town, though I had some hazy doubts earlier

I voted NM because on some level I was conscious of scum liking being on murdercat around that point in the wagon and I also wanted to vote with infinity

as for the murdercat question, I presume he could imitate those behaviors but it would probably be hard for him
I especially think it would be hard for him to act towny in later days

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma I think the way you reacted to your wagon is a little suspicious.

idk exactly what you mean by this
I did kinda get defensive at catboi before, was that what you mean?

[Gamma Emerald]

The Gamma distraction feels pretty boring to me, and I can totally imagine Gamma as stubborn/frustrated town justifying his actions. The emotional reaction does seem a little disproportionate, marking that for later study.

MURDERKITTY is still the correct lim.

-Dumbass

this doesn't really sound like you think he's scum with murder imo.

- Daenerys

I'm pretty sure dumbo's been clear about thinking murdercat is the bomb? I could be miscrediting a post to them tho

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm continuously getting this feeling that

Daenerys and Dragons

vs

Dumb and Dumber

is not TvT

I have to agree with this
I also had a sense one of Targaryen and PP was scum, so out of those I'm inclined to suspect Targaryen
(also tfw I have to create wacky nicknames like NM because the full names are too long and staqndard shortening gets confusing)

[Gamma Emerald]

I was referring to 802 of course, I do keep my wiki up to date

Yeah that's kinda what I thought? Though I have to say your method of counting games doesn't entirely align with mine
I tend to focus on games I finish out
PP/Targaryen was the binary I had in mind btw

[Gamma Emerald]

I wasn't sure whether murdercat was crediting BTXV as his one scumgame or not
if that was the case then my side of the debate fell flat and the binary didn't qualify
otherwise I felt either cakez was negligent in highlighting the recency of the finished game or PP was overlooking it despite it being called out

the question was to determine if the binary existed, not to pick a side

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah

[Gamma Emerald]

also I want a response to literally everything I said because you clearly haven’t been paying attention if you at all think I could be scum.

- Daenerys

fuck off I'm not doing that

What do you mean “cakes was negligent in highlighting the recency of the game”?

I wasn't sure how specific his wording was in indicating there was a recently finished murdercat scumgame and I was asking him about murdercat's play because of that

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't see a tangible difference between your attitude this game and the one you had in hidden temple
so that's part of why I'm not exactly receptive to what you're saying rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbh after answering salsabil's questions I also remembered feeling let down by murder's play, and the sense hasn't really changed
So like, I get why he's being wagoned a whole lot more, but I also recall he just doesn't start out that strong as town. As such I'm going to try to hunt other scum this day phase

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll give response if I think it's worth it, but rn it feels like you're trying to compel me to do something trivial
as for "how to get through to me", the answer is you really can't atp. I don't trust the place your coming from with your arguments so it's just not rectifiable on your end. If someone else convinces me I'm off-base, then I'll be more workable, but I don't see how you can change my mind without a three-point-turn of sorts.
I'm not even directly pushing you yet, I'm just trying to talk on my thoughts, so your explosive reaction seems overly defensive

[Gamma Emerald]

and honestly the way you're (as in, both of you) engaging with me in this moment feels awfully similar to how you acted in cards of destiny
so like, the evidence isn't in your favor.

Probably the biggest point I can make is to not treat a person suspecting you like a federal fucking issue. That's honestly something anyone playing with me should take to heart. I intensely dislike it when I'm trying to probe suspicions to get a better idea of how solid it is and I'm met with raw vitriol.

[Gamma Emerald]

You're not as obvtown as you think. That's just a fact.

[Gamma Emerald]

not anymore
I s2g do you fuckers have any reading comprehension at all?

@MURDERCAT

what did you mean by “your one scum game”?
I feel like depending on this I have a solid binary of where scum is.
UNVOTE: because straight up stating NM is not involved in that binary

UNVOTE: because straight up stating NM is not involved in that binary

like holy shit how dense are you?????

let's note I did not target this at anyone, but you have taken it personally

and I've had this issue in a past game, I pushed someone, and they lashed out like it was some affront on their character
That's not conducive to good relations within the game at all, and depending on how well I feel we get along outside of the game, that results in me either not wanting to play with the person or just not wanting to associate with them pretty much at all, since I want to avoid the negative interaction.

[Gamma Emerald]

like I'm not even mean until after you said "fuck off." before that I was just questioning your reads because they actually make no sense. if you want to say my attitude stinks, fine. "raw vitriol" is just hypocritical and not even true.

- Daenerys

Maybe my words were off, but that's another of my personal challenges is finding the words to convey my thoughts appropriately.
As for my telling you to fuck off, what you were telling me to do felt like a waste of my time. I'm not interested in backreading for that stuff rn. The most I'm intending to backread for atp is to find who would make sense as scum rn in a general sense. Maybe I'll end up concluding you're town when I do that but I'm not going to

want

to townread you if it feels like I'm only doing it because you got upset. So let me read in MY way on MY time.

[Gamma Emerald]

1064 is a DIRECT RESPONSE to my post, how am I not supposed to take it personally?
1066 is an addendum to 1064, which was, again, a DIRECT RESPONSE to me.

explain to me how I'm supposed to read your mind that these weren't directed to me even though the post was a direct response to mine.

- Daenerys

yeah they came after your post but I don't believe you're the only one who missed my point. I USED PLURAL TERMS. I was not targeting anyone in particular!

[Gamma Emerald]

I honestly feel like a lot of the barriers I have in doing well in the game of mafia stem from my IRL quirks. The thing is, I actually seek to exploit that in a sense, using mafia as a way to build those skills in an environment with reduced stakes (since it's just a game, my blunders shouldn't cause any lasting consequences).
It's the same reason why I wanna go on Survivor some day despite my social interaction issues. I feel like it would be a good trial-by-fire if conventional methods of improving my people skills don't work. The only issue with that is Survivor also has a physical aspect I don't know if I'll ever be ready for.

[Gamma Emerald]

Honestly lilith has felt pretty obvtown to me too but this is exhausting to read through

Okay. Talk to me about this?
This is what I meant by being more receptive to others tell me I'm wrong on you. When I'm not as charged up against someone, it becomes easier to convince me of something.

[Gamma Emerald]

like I'm not even mean until after you said "fuck off." before that I was just questioning your reads because they actually make no sense. if you want to say my attitude stinks, fine. "raw vitriol" is just hypocritical and not even true.

- Daenerys

Maybe my words were off, but that's another of my personal challenges is finding the words to convey my thoughts appropriately.
As for my telling you to fuck off, what you were telling me to do felt like a waste of my time. I'm not interested in backreading for that stuff rn. The most I'm intending to backread for atp is to find who would make sense as scum rn in a general sense. Maybe I'll end up concluding you're town when I do that but I'm not going to

want

to townread you if it feels like I'm only doing it because you got upset. So let me read in MY way on MY time.

okay - if it wasn't clear, I meant the specific series of posts I made on page 48. I wanted you to actually think about what it meant for the game if I was scum and put myself in a position where I was deliberately antagonizing a town!skitter and town!auro repeatedly, with no visible benefit to myself, because that doesn't make sense to me as a strategy that any scum would make. going up against town!dumb & dumber would be fucking

terrifying

and I am hard-pressed to imagine anyone as scum being willing to throw themselves into a 1v1 with them like that.

- Daenerys

When put this way this makes much more sense
Skitter's own sig says going up against her is a death sentence

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah you know what consider my mind changed as well, lilith is town for me now

[Gamma Emerald]

I had three people saying I was off, two of which I was attuned to for different reasons
It was pretty much along the lines of how you and Rask talked Zyf down from SRing me in our first game together

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah that's what I was assuming
wanted to make sure I wasn't assuming wrongly before I went forward on such a thing

[Gamma Emerald]

Universal town read

or sometimes under the radar, I probably shouldn't use it as an abbreviation

I try to use capitalization to indicate which I mean
as in I write under-the-radar as UtR

[Gamma Emerald]

honestly you probably should try to write a case
either you go through with that or you get enough definitive indication you don't feel skitter is scum, which you can state
numerous times I've tried to find evidence of something only to find my point didn't hold up under scrutiny

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

>am neutral
>Gets voted

?????

[Gamma Emerald]

>am neutral
>Gets voted

?????

You no longer are.

Okay now I need to see from progression from you on your reads because this just sounds like nonsense.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: murdercat
I'd prefer to let him town up if he's town but he's not really trying atp, plus I have unresolved concerns of my own from early on.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: murdercat
I'd prefer to let him town up if he's town but he's not really trying atp, plus I have unresolved concerns of my own from early on.

You can just say it's self-preservation you know

that's true but not the whole story

[Gamma Emerald]

plus I have unresolved concerns of my own from early on

can you please point me in the direction of these concerns?

I'm being lazy

didn't like how he was talking about mech stuff early
it felt like he was crutching on that to get TRed

[Gamma Emerald]

I kinda got distracted by other shit okay

[Gamma Emerald]

that emote was towards mcat and GC both posting things I have some concerns about
not NM's thing

huh
what's this then
get my name out your fucking mouths

[Gamma Emerald]

cya

[Gamma Emerald]

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[Gamma Emerald]

>:(