Mini 2297 | Conception | Postgame

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Lovely to be here

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Innocent child...but Narration said there could be mod misdirection...!

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It is public knowledge, read the setup post

Benediction and Malediction are different non town factions

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VOTE: IceDragon70

Wolfy vibes

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Drew is obviously capping to try and trick me into killing him. I won't fall for it, he and bianco are obviously getting protected tonight.

Right guys?

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Drew is obviously capping to try and trick me into killing him. I won't fall for it, he and bianco are obviously getting protected tonight.

Right guys?

Wrong PT

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Rautherdir probably town for wittering on like this, I'm afraid to say

Hopefully this doesn't encourage mass wittering

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If Abnegation is town as well, that could be me, Rautherdir, Abnegation and Hell Froze Over in the Early Towncore

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In terms of distribution, I'm thinking 9/2/2 seems likely.

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A few slots haven't posted so far, but of the posters that have, IceDragon and BlueSnakelet seem like most likely sus.

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A few slots haven't posted so far, but of the posters that have, IceDragon and BlueSnakelet seem like most likely sus.

is there a reason for that beyond just vibes?

Bit of meta behind the first, nothing behind the second

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Thanks Hugir love you too

Welcome newcomers

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Hydras OP that's my opinion

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UNVOTE:

I would like a bit more info about IceDragon70's role, because that Benediction speculation must have come from somewhere.

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Capping = lying

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I am Invocation and I'm not really sure what you're getting at, IceDragon. All Rautherdir seemed to claim was that they were some kind of useless investigative right?

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VOTE: The Keeper

Quite sus vibes at the moment

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Broken shovel could be a useful weapon

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Something related to what their role might be.

Explain

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I haven't really got into this game yet, sorry. I'll go and read again

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VOTE: Abnegation

How dare someone be presented before me in lexicographic order

Has anyone noticed that I'm the only player not in correct alphabetical order in the first VC? I'm probably the chosen one

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Wait. How exactly did Goldfish make us wait?

@Narrator: I will be on V/LA for Saturday.

My orchestra has its spring concert tomorrow, and the final rehearsal, concert and party will take the entire day. Just one, but declaring it anyway, since I've seen so many games become posting sprees.

How was the concert?

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It is public knowledge, read the setup post

Benediction and Malediction are different non town factions

The question is if they are threats to town. I played Devil's Advocate I suppose and suggested a possibility that Benediction, bearing a green role color and a name like that, might in fact not be antagonistic to town.

Devils Advocate, huh. Simply another way of saying "excuse me while I become an Anus."

Your pushes and questions are awful, Id take The Poop over what youve just tried to Flush.

I think I recognise these colourful metaphors...

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The Keeper, I like the gimmick, but try and keep it on track, it's a little confusing.

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I think the lack of scumreads can be explained by the lack of arguing so far. It's like we all just met or something, corporate away day vibes.

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VOTE: Hugir

I'll give this a try for a bit, based on very little.

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...damn it.

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We have been hoodwinked, bamboozled, led astray, run amok and flat out deceived!

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A real gut punch there.

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I'll keep my vote as it is, I was considering unvoting but nah

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I got prodded.

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VOTE: Goldfishfromthemoon

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enchant is totally in their scum meta here. like, look at their iso and then look at this.

Do you have a read on Enchant?

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Not sure who else to vote

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I guess I could always sheep the IC

VOTE: Rautherdir

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I'm yet to develop a meaningful scumread so far, hence being such a wagon nomad

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VOTE: IceDragon70

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This daystart PM stuff looks a bit OGI to me

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... You might have to explain OGI to me, I'm not familiar with that abbreviation and it isn't in the wiki.

Out of game influence

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This daystart PM stuff looks a bit OGI to me

It’s not OGI if mod confirmed it in thread that Blue didn’t get a daystart PM

No I mean reading alignment into it is a bit OGI because it uses something that shouldn't really be relevant to our reads.

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Replacing Goldfish

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Ambition sounds sorta Maladiction, but maybe that's town indicative? Idk

UNVOTE: for now

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Malediction sorry. I deliberately misspelled it to look like I'm not Malediction

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Malediction sorry. I deliberately misspelled it to look like I'm not Malediction

I love that you are admitting it.
Wanna vote Rauther instead? Did you see my reasoning against them?

Sure, I can see that claiming to have been 'baiting' to explain away a previous statement could be seen as scum backtracking.

My best ChatGPT impression^

Seriously though, I have mixed feelings. In one of many games I lost recently as town, another player deliberately didn't share their true viewpoint in the hope that scum would act a certain way (Klick in Hollow Knight), but I don't think that's quite comparable to this instance.

I'll join you, why not?

If I had to choose another vote today, it would probably be Enchant. When Abnegation made that joke, I did actually ISO Enchant, and I didn't love what I saw. So maybe we could queue that one up for tomorrow.

VOTE: Rautherdir

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Feysal, The Keeper and Hugir are all slots that I've thought were maybe scum but I'm no longer so sure on.

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Lack of early reads, which I've started to associate with scum Enchant.

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It was the pun on ambitious/ambition.

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Enchant, do you think Ice is scum then?

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Enchant, do you think Ice is scum then?

idk i am just mad

Cope

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I'm pretty sure you're E-3 after HFO and I unvoted.

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@Abnegation would you be kind enough to do a non official VC? I am just lazy here.

Why ask Abnegation specifically?

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We need momentum
VOTE: IceDragon70

IceDragon has just been unvoted a couple times...the momentum's with the Rautherdir wagon if anything?

Also, why is 'momentum' your big criterion for a vote?

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Sup yall

I'm alive and well

VOTE: Enchant

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Sup yall

I'm alive and well

VOTE: Enchant

I know asking why me is scummy but

why me

Who else?

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Sup yall

I'm alive and well

VOTE: Enchant

I know asking why me is scummy but

why me

Who else?

brujh

Word!

Lack of early reads, which I've started to associate with scum Enchant.

He vibes quite towny to me this time, he feels engaged in the right ways, despite the lack of early reads.

You're definitely making me think

We haven't played me good you bad before I don't think

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I am still shocked that member of benediction tried to argue to me that benediction could be good team

Bloody lobbyists!

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VOTE: KawaiiKame

Looking back, they could be Rautherdir's partner. Either way the momentum wasn't with IceDragon at that time so it looks weird whether partnered or not.

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"Why are you not voting Kawaii?"

I guess I'm wondering - does anyone here have any familiarity with Kawaii? Is their tone their usual town tone? Is this too easy? What alignment is everyone else? I don't really have a feel for this game so I'm not really aching to flashwagon Kawaii right this very second. But the people on the wagon have points.

On an unrelated note today I found out that it's pronounced WAH-gon not WAY-gon and I'm so upset

Sittin on a wagon
Drinking from a flagon
Accosted by a paigon
Shoot em with my ray gun

Game-advancing content: Kawaii green, Keeper + Enchant red

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More votes on KawaiiKame?

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Kawaii's elimination is as inevitable as Thanos

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Yeah let's sheep the dead guy.

vote Kawaii

?

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Dead but posting...how?

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Pretending

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"Why" idk I just ISOed him again and everything suddenly looks scummy, please help D: D:

Proof that I'm town:

This game means everything to me. I desperately want to catch both scumteams and prove that Invocation is the superior concept.

I believe Kawaii exposed himself by trying to save Rautherdir and that his posting after the wagon on him grew did not recognise it or attempt to defend himself from that wagon enough.

I have a useful, provable role that matches perfectly to an appropriate flavour name.

I have a few townreads and a scumpool.

This is all true.

#Winvocation

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"Why" idk I just ISOed him again and everything suddenly looks scummy, please help D: D:

Proof that I'm town:

This game means everything to me. I desperately want to catch both scumteams and prove that Invocation is the superior concept.

I believe Kawaii exposed himself by trying to save Rautherdir and that his posting after the wagon on him grew did not recognise it or attempt to defend himself from that wagon enough.

I have a useful, provable role that matches perfectly to an appropriate flavour name.

I have a few townreads and a scumpool.

This is all true.

#Winvocation

*side eyes*
*picks up a stick*
*pokes carefully*
You can go back in the nullbin for a while

Winnie the Pooh normal clothes

"Why" idk I just ISOed him again and everything suddenly looks scummy, please help D: D:

Proof that I'm town:

This game means everything to me. I desperately want to catch both scumteams and prove that Invocation is the superior concept.

I believe Kawaii exposed himself by trying to save Rautherdir and that his posting after the wagon on him grew did not recognise it or attempt to defend himself from that wagon enough.

I have a useful, provable role that matches perfectly to an appropriate flavour name.

I have a few townreads and a scumpool.

This is all true.

#Winvocation

10/10 amazing defense, the towniness made me cry. i'd hammer myself over you in elo!

#WINVOCATION

Winnie the Pooh with monocle

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Furtive is scum.

Locked in never recind.

Even after a blue flip.

Wait til you hear my (fake?) claim...

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We are one step before elo, and i got targeted by scum ability.

It was a town ability

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I still feel furtive is the the option for progression here..

VOTE: furtive

VOTE: The Keeper

Nope.

I disagree.

I un-disagree.

VOTE: The Keeper

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Well this is just as amusing as pulling both brimstones from Chaos.

Enchant was scum targetted, furtive is essentially claiming that it was town, and both are going for lil ol me.

cute <3 Sadly you're both wrong, I'm not an option, unless you're scum.

Do you want to say anything apart from townclaiming?

Reads other than myself, maybe talk about your own role...

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We are one step before elo, and i got targeted by scum ability.

It was a town ability

Fucking thrower.

I hate it when we fight like this

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Fuck this.


I am Relation, basically parity cop of variant where i check relationship with previous target. My targets are:
N1: IceDragon. Nothing.
N2: Aisa. Shares alignment with IceDragon.


Furtive just loverised me with self for fucking no reason so my chances to survive next night nosedived anyway.

Crapsicles.

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Well, my b if that's true

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And I would certainly want your claim now, having damned our investigative.

I thought I was finna die last night so I wanted to take Enchant down with me!

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I feel like I just got trolled by a sacrifice room...

care to expand more, furtive?

I'm Captivation, a 1-shot Lover. I didn't want to die without using it. Obviously my goal was to target scum. I both thought I might be a nightkill target and suspected Enchant, so I used my ability last night. We also have a PT now.

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Don't hope i will talk with you.

I'm in the doghouse

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"Why are you not voting Kawaii?"

I guess I'm wondering - does anyone here have any familiarity with Kawaii? Is their tone their usual town tone? Is this too easy? What alignment is everyone else? I don't really have a feel for this game so I'm not really aching to flashwagon Kawaii right this very second. But the people on the wagon have points.

On an unrelated note today I found out that it's pronounced WAH-gon not WAY-gon and I'm so upset

Sittin on a wagon
Drinking from a flagon
Accosted by a paigon
Shoot em with my ray gun

Game-advancing content: Kawaii green, Keeper + Enchant red

Sup yall

I'm alive and well

VOTE: Enchant

Nvm you were scumreading them.

But then what made you change your mind and vote the keeper instead of yourself or Enchant? Before the claim.

I scumread both at the time, when 1 SR votes another I sometimes follow. Besides, I felt like my NA had sort of taken care of Enchant in a way.

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I stand by Furtive being today's better option

That kills 2 town for the price of 1

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VOTE: Flavour Leaf

Really unimpressive so far

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So Furt is not Confirmation. They’d be the other one.

Enchant’s role means IceDragon is town.

Enchant’s more than likely just town here.

Good luck with convincing people to kill the PC today

Your 'scum baiting' thing doesn't fly with me, especially since you announced it at the time as justification for your bad play. It looks insecure, and would completely defeat the point if you were town.

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Aisa was townreading me.

Also, scum will obviously kill Enchant tonight and any claim otherwise is kind of outting.

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"Why" idk I just ISOed him again and everything suddenly looks scummy, please help D: D:

Proof that I'm town:

This game means everything to me. I desperately want to catch both scumteams and prove that Invocation is the superior concept.

I believe Kawaii exposed himself by trying to save Rautherdir and that his posting after the wagon on him grew did not recognise it or attempt to defend himself from that wagon enough.

I have a useful, provable role that matches perfectly to an appropriate flavour name.

I have a few townreads and a scumpool.

This is all true.

#Winvocation

*side eyes*
*picks up a stick*
*pokes carefully*
You can go back in the nullbin for a while

Doesn’t look like a town read based on their last post.

But before that.

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I read the D2 finally and… really all I saw was nigh-unanimous “kawaii obv greenscum kthxbye xoxo”

I’ll have to go back to D1.

Yeah we all f'ed up there.

I disagree, Kawaii was really scummy.

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Flavor Leaf, Keeper, Hugir are my top scum candidates right now.

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Flavor Leaf, Keeper, Hugir are my top scum candidates right now.

Read as bad as your night action
Except the keeper part

Hap-hap-hap-hap-hap-happy birthday

You are sus in spite of being the cool birthday haver

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I think I'm just going to claim.

My role is Affiliation. Can target someone at night, and if they share Affiliation, they get put in a Vacuum together. Blue targeted Keeper Night 1, so I did see ActionDan mention something about noticing something with the two of them.

Unless you think I'm lying, this means Keeper/Myself are not scum together on a game design level.

You can see further that I knew Keeper wasn't the Flyer Vendor.

I also stated in that vacuum that Furt was lean scum prior to Furt's vote on me.

Sounds like a Masonizer claim.

Mechanically, this means:

Keeper is only scum if Flavor Leaf is also scum.

Therefore, any votes on The Keeper should instead be on Flavor Leaf.

I think if I were to assume this claim being true, it puts the remaining 3 scum in some unlikely places, so I'll have to think on this one.

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I think I'm just going to claim.

My role is Affiliation. Can target someone at night, and if they share Affiliation, they get put in a Vacuum together. Blue targeted Keeper Night 1, so I did see ActionDan mention something about noticing something with the two of them.

Unless you think I'm lying, this means Keeper/Myself are not scum together on a game design level.

You can see further that I knew Keeper wasn't the Flyer Vendor.

I also stated in that vacuum that Furt was lean scum prior to Furt's vote on me.

Sounds like a Masonizer claim.

Mechanically, this means:

Keeper is only scum if Flavor Leaf is also scum.

Therefore, any votes on The Keeper should instead be on Flavor Leaf.

I think if I were to assume this claim being true, it puts the remaining 3 scum in some unlikely places, so I'll have to think on this one.

This is not true, and the fact that he saw it as Masonizer could be a possible Keeper-Furt connection, but I don't know if Keeper acts this way with Furt as their partner.

It would kinda fit with Furt coming after me after Keeper knew I was lean scum there, so it looked like OMGUS, but I'm not sure it goes that deep.

My Furt scum read had been fading a little bit, and I might be overthinking this, since I did semi see Keeper/Myself as Mason.

Keeper said into a masonry in the thread, and i hadnt said elsewise in the vacuum.

I need to think on some stuff.

Furt saying Masonry is weird here based on the role claim only.

What are you talking about? How is it possible for Keeper to be scum with you town?

I thought your role was target someone, and if they share alignment with you, you get a PT. Have I misunderstood?

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yeah, what exactly is affiliation?

And what exactly is your Miller role?

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wdym? i explained the whole thing.

Completely negative utility then?

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Can I ask Flavor Leaf:

It seems to me, and you said it yourself that you got mod clarification, that the Keeper being Affiliation could mean they're either town or scum.

Why claim and oppose their elimination like you did?

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Can I ask Flavor Leaf:

It seems to me, and you said it yourself that you got mod clarification, that the Keeper being Affiliation could mean they're either town or scum.

Why claim and oppose their elimination like you did?

People said to claim

Are you townreading them outside of mechanics?

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I had no reason to claim that as scum without being scum with Keeper here either.

It's purely a Keeper defense.

I just didn't want to go down that pipeline.

This implies you felt pretty strongly that they were town, doesn't it?

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I don't think the Keeper's confirmation as non-Benediction came from the mod's own input.

Therefore, it came from a player.

No one is claiming it, so it came from scum.

Revealing whether or not someone is Benediction doesn't really make sense as a Benediction ability, because it narrows the pool.

Therefore, it only really makes sense as a Malediction ability.

Now, if your ability as Malediction was to reveal someone as either Benediction or not, there are 2 uses for it: either hitting a Benediction read and using that to avoid the next day's elimination yourselves, or self-targeting to get some suspicion off you.

I think it's very possible that The Keeper themself decided to self-target with that ability.

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The only Bastard mechanic present is the possibility of mod misdirection.

What do people think this might be referring to based on claims so far?

To me, from this, it would make sense if one or both Affiliation players were not Invocation.

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The only Bastard mechanic present is the possibility of mod misdirection.

What do people think this might be referring to based on claims so far?

To me, from this, it would make sense if one or both Affiliation players were not Invocation.

I do think Keeper has a fine chance of flipping Red scum but I feel like this might be related to redirector stuff maybe? Then again clearly there's a lot of weird shit going on in this game

But about the mod misdirection thing - are there any other candidates?

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Keeper targeted Aisa Night 1.


We lost ability after we got in vacuum.

Where’s the 2nd redirector ID was talking about?

I am not sure. If there isn't one then AD/Hugir is definitely lying, because FMPOV the bolded actions are confirmed:

Name - Role - N1 - N2

Feysal - Fruit vendor - The Keeper - Abnegation

Enchant - Parity Cop - IceDragon - Aisa

Aisa - roleblocker stuff - Abnegation - Abnegation

Kawaii - Neighborizer - NotAisa (redirected to Aisa)

The Keeper - Neighbor - Aisa - NoAction

Flavor Lead - Neighbor - The Keeper - NoAction

ActionDan - Voyeur - Disturbed - NotDisturbed

IceDragon - NoRoleblock - Abnegation - Aisa

Hugir - Redirector - Furtive - IceDragon

Furtive - Loveriser - NoAction - Enchant

Rau - Checker - Dead - Dead

Hell - Innocent Child - Stumped - Stumped

Abnegation - Miller - NoAction - NoAction

(Abnegation's action is confirmed due to being roleblocked)

On the other hand if there's a second redirector then they are 100% scum. And since the above actions are confirmed, it's definitely AD who is the second redirector here.

So in either case AD is redscum. I don't think I've messed anything up here, right?
VOTE: ActionDan

Can you explain why it can't be town AD with Hugir scum?

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@Furtive, you are right, it could be. I did mess something up.
So it's a 1v1 between them, then.

Hugir is scummier in my eyes so I am gonna vote them.

VOTE: Hugir

I'm not sure who I think is scummier between them

Neither is really towny

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Is there confirmed to be a second redirector? Where did this come from? Is there a Mech action im missing somewhere?

No, it's confirmed either Hugir is lying or there's a second redirector which would be ActionDan.

What’s the lie?

Why does AD need to be the liar if Hugir is town?

Not doubting you by any means, just trying to get clarification on things.

Basically, Kawaii claimed to have been redirected from notAisa to Aisa. Hugir claims to be a redirector but not to having redirected Kawaii.
So either Hugir is lying, or there's a second redirector.
AD must be the liar if Hugir is town, because I am assuming (and I think it's a reasonable assumption) that every person has only one role, and all other players are confirmed (FMPOV) to have another role (or to simply not be the second redirector, in Abnegation's case).

This does exclude the possibility of scum having 2 abilities.

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If we look at how risky claims are, AD's self-watching is fairly safe. Yes, his N1 being acted on causes a contradiction of sorts, but only with the mysterious bogeyman of 'lying scum', rather than with another player specifically.

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Why wouldn't Hugir's last-to-claim not knowing Ice countered redirectors be even safer?

Yeah, I guess both claims are fairly safe compared to the group as a whole

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I’ve been playing The Mageseeker, the league of legends game that came out this week. It’s solid, i don’t play a lot of single player games nowadays, but like the world, but I even read the League of Legends book Ruination, and I liked it.

And of course, I liked Arcane, I give it a 9.9 out of 10. Maybe a 9.8, but still big.

The world they’re starting to do is getting me more than the game, the game just hits that hyper casual competitive niche for me

Who are your 3 picks for the 3 scum remaining

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I still think Abnegation is town. Why?

Their claim is risky if false: investigatives would be able to disprove the claim in certain scenarios.

So if you want to sell Abnegation as scum then, you really have to believe in a scum role which actually shows as the opposite scumteam every other night, which seems like an unlikely role to put in to me.

The Keeper remains suspicious to me due to the likelihood of their non-Benediction announcement having come from scum (and the already-stated benefit of self-targeting with such a role)

If it came down to ActionDan vs Hugir, I'd probably vote for AD.

My reads currently look something like this:

Enchant, IceDragon70
Abnegation
Feysal, Flavor Leaf, Hugir
ActionDan, The Keeper

I think we should probably agree to let IceDragon lead the elimination today, since they are confirmed by Enchant (and that does not look like scum/scum to me at all). I'm slightly concerned by the voices in the POE themselves being louder than the towny voices today.

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Follow the townie is like a compromise wagon, and if the townie is off, it benefits scum more than town.

This is a multiball game.

We don't know how many scum are left, but expect more than there would be in a singleball.

Doesn't this suggest that trusting players we think are town is a good strategy, as it gives scum less input?

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Eh, not necessarily.

I get the logic, though. I just think it’s an ‘easier’ option, and I generally shy away from those in Mafia. That’s similar to why I brought up Compromise wagons, just because it flows best, doesn’t mean it’s the best path.

Rocky roads in Mafia can lead to great things.

And if ActionDan ends up being town,

my exact point is proven

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What point?

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VOTE: HugirVOTE:

let's listen to the town

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VOTE: HugirVOTE:

let's listen to the town

VOTE: Hugir

My b

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VOTE: hugir

This is E-1.

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UNVOTE:

Can we do ActionDan instead? I'd rather not do Abnegation.

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I could do Keeper as well yeah

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Also I believe from information the moderator has provided in the opening post of the Affiliation Vacuum that I am in a masonry.

So going for the mason is not a good idea.

Flavor Leaf said this explicitly wasn't the case.

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VOTE: The Keeper

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For what it's worth, I asked the mod if they could be scum with Affiliation, so it is possible for RedKeeper/TownFlavor.

It makes no sense for both Keeper/Myself to be Affiliation as same group scum on a game design level, but I'll let others analyze into that.

When I came into the game, it did seem like we were Pseudo-Masons. Keeper came into the Vacuum saying 'into a masonry no less', so they did play it like a Pseudo Masonry.

Blue specifically found a Keeper crumb, I guess, to successfully target Keeper.

This clearly states you aren't a Mason

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VOTE: The Keeper

I feel most certain about this

Abnegation was fairly obvious town and that wagon was disgusting

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Enchant, result?

Also, FL has been pillowpushing me for a bit and it's very sinister.

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Enchant, result?

Also, FL has been pillowpushing me for a bit and it's very sinister.

Would you rather me brick strong arm push you?

Cuz I think a Pillow pushing you is a lot of progress from where we were.

You want me to be grateful?

Seems like scum mind games

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*Dons fake twirly mustache and long sideways cigarette holder; takes puff*

The evil voice

So you've caught me, does it feel good that you had to use a cop to do it, damn you!

Well I'm not going out alone. I'm going to drop some info.

Hugir is green.

Definitively green.

Malediction and Benediction are symmetrical in nature of factional abilities; Those include a conditional factional kill and a factional conditional publishing cop. They are both rather simple. Our kills only work on town not on each other. Our cop is published only if we get a negative result, if positive it is privately relayed to us. Our team used it N1 on Keeper opted not to use it N2 and used it N3 on Hugir (who at that point was obviously green to me anyway).

2ndly my role is not voyeur at all. I have no idea who or who did not target me. I am a deflector, and the clearly analogous green scum role is redirector.

I dislike the fact that I feel obligated to screw over the other scumteam in this manner but I'm pretty much forced to by the setup. You're all welcome to take my words with a grain of salt but if you read the thread you'll see they're true (as were rauth's posts)

Good luck to all!

*shoots self*

VOTE: ActionDan

You'll pay for this!

[furtiveglance]

Scum did the work for us huh

[furtiveglance]

Let’s do a complete reset.

I got a flyer.

Furt, I’m not gonna insta go after you, but explanation?

I'm a 1-way Lover

[furtiveglance]

Hugir and I were obv WIFOM claiming Green Scum

Did you miss AD outing Hugir?

[furtiveglance]

Clearly I was memeing about it yesterday.

[furtiveglance]

Hmm actually everything clicks if Furtive is green scum. N1 missing kill could be because my action ended up roleblocking furtive.

You just said you redirected me to me. So I would have killed myself in that case.

[furtiveglance]

Hmm actually everything clicks if Furtive is green scum. N1 missing kill could be because my action ended up roleblocking furtive.

You just said you redirected me to me. So I would have killed myself in that case.

Roleblock resolves before kill.

So you've decided I'm a scum Lover/Roleblocker who also did the kill

[furtiveglance]

I don't really see AD's motivation to lie

[furtiveglance]

im kind of on board with Keeper Red, Furt Green.

You're not on board with me being the 1-way Lover/Roleblocker who chose to also kill N1 are you?

[furtiveglance]

Flavor Leaf is consistently 'leaning' me against all logic, this is surely a scum trajectory

[furtiveglance]

It's baffling that my role doesn't make sense as a scum one, and these people are just chucking everything out the window to decide that I'm a scum roleblocker, when I should be soft clear for not doing the nightkill N1 or I would have died.

Make it make sense

[furtiveglance]

I'm making a purely mechanical point, that for me to be scum in Hugir's world, I would have to specifically be a Roleblocker, which is very unlikely probability-wise. I should be soft clear. And yet both of you are doing mental gymnastics to try and implicate me.

[furtiveglance]

It's baffling that my role doesn't make sense as a scum one, and these people are just chucking everything out the window to decide that I'm a scum roleblocker, when I should be soft clear for not doing the nightkill N1 or I would have died.

Make it make sense

Why would you have died?

As in scum redirected to scum kill themselves

[furtiveglance]

Like it’s not even a mental gymnastic. It’s just a simple deduction. Who and what role would prevent me from redirecting Feysal to self?

Right, but you've started from me being scum and made it make sense somehow, instead of looking at the most likely scenario and then going from there.

[furtiveglance]

@Furtive - Did Enchant know that it was you they were loverized to when they were told they were loverized? Or did they just get informed they were loverized?

I told them, we had a PT. They didn't use it much though, and were pretty miffed about being targeted.

[furtiveglance]

Day 5 Initial

Not Voting

- Flavor Leaf, Feysal, Hugir, The Keeper, furtiveglance

Notes

• With 5 remaining, it takes 3 to form a majority.
  
• Mod ISO is here.

Day 5

concludes in (expired on 2023-05-08 15:45:00)

Are there 2 town left in here?
Or did Narration make it 3/3 by accident?

Both players who scumclaimed yesterday are now agreeing that I'm the best elimination and won't listen to reason

The other 2 players aren't here.

Cool game this
Very fun

[furtiveglance]

With mod redirection in play, we don’t even have confirmation that you are actually a 1-way lover.

The PT is called a Lovers Vacuum

[furtiveglance]

Btw explain to me where you found furt obvtown today.

Because all he really did today was "you can't possibly be serious."

Because your push is a massive reach

[furtiveglance]

furt, can you at least see that I'm town at this point yet?

The only thing giving me pause was the scumclaiming yesterday - I don't really see the town motivation for that.

[furtiveglance]

Also, I really do believe AD as well - I'm pretty sure that the greenscum thing is a redscum ability, and why wouldn't AD want to take down the other scumteam?

[furtiveglance]

The big question is, why choose Enchant as scum? It is easy to say how that was an excellent choice because Enchant was a cop, but how could Furtive have known that? It seems to me that it would have made more sense to tie yourself to someone more trusted, or even to claim you had loverized your partner to mislead the town. Instead choosing another player from the POE pool would only reduce the number of town executions you could push for.

Why would town choose to use the role period

I thought I was a likely kill target N2 and wanted to take down a scumread

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: Hugir

Whiplash from the scumclaim to calling themself obvtown feels like bravado rather than a reasonable self-perception

[furtiveglance]

Is it Flavor Leaf that isn't voting?

[furtiveglance]

Final 3 will be interesting then. If I die, I'm leaning towards it being The Keeper. But make your own minds up

[furtiveglance]

Hello

I got a flyer last night for what it's worth.

The Keeper, can you explain why you're insisting on calling yourself a Mason when Flavor Leaf literally said they confirmed with the mod that you weren't Masons?

[furtiveglance]

This game is definitely winnable. I need to do some reading

[furtiveglance]

I don't know why I always expect ISOing flipped scum to tell me clearly who their partner is

[furtiveglance]

Because my gut is good.

Sure its full of spiders and flies but still...

Do me a favour though and look at it mechancially. Come back when you have.

Mechanically it's a weird FV vs a weird Neighbour, nothing really to say

[furtiveglance]

When I look at interactions with AD, he never really talked to the Keeper but went and found their soft of Affiliation.

He talked to Feysal a bit, in a way that could be partnered possibly, maintained a townlean on them.

I don't know really.

[furtiveglance]

Right now I'm leaning towards The Keeper being mafia due to lack of interaction with AD, as well as AD admitting that the announcing check was Malediction's ability. I don't see why you wouldn't self-target with that.

[furtiveglance]

Because at the time, I could have been green...

Every ability the scum have had, have had a counterpart

Affiliation is blue
No green or red affiliation flipped.

Tell me sweet glance, what counterpart would I be?

Why do you live when loverised with Enchant is my question.

I said already, I'm a 1-way Loveriser. Did you really not know I said that?

[furtiveglance]

I know you said that.

Thats not the impression you gave.

Explain to me how hiding behind someone is town? As thats what your role reads as to me.

That's not what my role does, the point of it is that I can tie myself to a player I suspect, so that if I die, they do too. I chose Enchant. On Night 2 I felt like I was a reasonable NK target and wanted to use my ability.

As for the impression I gave, if I had come straight out as one way, I could have been killed to take out me and Enchant in one night, which would have been way worse. I said as much in the PT I had with Enchant.

Also, my role name is Captivation.

[furtiveglance]

Feysal, anything to say right now?

[furtiveglance]

Because at the time, I could have been green...

Actually, you being green would have been very unexpected after the way Rautherdir shaded your slot after being hammered. Why you were investigated remains something of a mystery. Self-targeting remains one explanation, or being targeted by a partner. It could also have been intended to frame you, but it would have been very early in the game for such a long term plan. Or, perhaps the investigation was not aimed at you at all, and it was somehow redirected, since we don't know what ActionDan did. Or even what Hugir did, though we have their claims.

Feysal, anything to say right now?

I do have one question for you. You said you thought you were a reasonable nightkill target, but it did not seem that way to me. I thought you were in the POE list at the time, more likely to be executed than killed. So, why did you think you would be killed?

No paranoia of a particular player killing me if that's what you're asking - I just thought I was fairly townread amid of a lack of UTRs. Maybe that perception was wrong.

[furtiveglance]

RIght now I'm leaning towards voting for The Keeper; I'm seeing a lack of thought and a persistent agenda.

[furtiveglance]

Like I said before, your role being a scum one could fit the 'mod misdirection' we were warned about. I'm interested in what you think that notice was in reference to.

[furtiveglance]

I feel like this F3 is really difficult. I hope spec chat isn't yelling about how obvious it is

[furtiveglance]

I'm gonna vote The Keeper then, I've had them as scum for a while. Sorry if this is a big throw

VOTE: The Keeper

[furtiveglance]

You never know, we could both be town still and just be about to lose

[furtiveglance]

My bad (again)

[furtiveglance]

furtive calling my wagon disgusting was the highlight of this game.

- Abnegation (couldn't be bothered to log into my alt)

Town really lost its way