open 894: near vanilla (game over)

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VOTE: dannflor

worried he might be a deep wolf

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yes hi i'm new to the site

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Wow! That's so exciting. What do you think of mafiascum.net so far?

i think it's pretty neat! i'm a little confused though, my role is red but my username is green? must be a bug

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Is it bad to already have a sr?

bella?

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yes hi i'm new to the site

just joined and already 10000 posts smh can't take it with all these newbie hyperposters

my endgoal is to be responsible for 50% of the posts on this site! only a few more million to go!

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ah whoops

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hi i should probably read up tonight instead of playing oblivion for 6 hours huh

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lemme tell you, i was so excited when i finally got it to run on linux. i literally exclaimed "yes!!" when it finally started up properly, after fussing with proton for like 2 hours. been reading the uesp wiki for most of my work day today.

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probably gonna try out some mods tonight. i've played oblivion on pc before, but mostly vanilla, and the vast majority of my time i spent playing on xbox 360. next up i'm gonna see if skyrim runs fine on my laptop's integrated graphics

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i'm doing a lot! like playing oblivion

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thank you all for defending me from kurtapika

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i decided i want my iso to mostly look like an oblivion live blog

just finished all of those mages guild recommendation quests finally. time for some stupid custom spells!

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You’ve implied the reason for you lack of input is that you’ve been busy, but it actually appears you’re not busy, busy, you’re just playing video games. I’m concerned now that you’re actually just avoiding having to contribute purposefully to avoid any suspicion.

i never implied it was because i was busy, where did you get that idea?

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A player of your standing doing this is rather infuriating and I would say insulting to the rest of us. If you want to play Oblivion go play it, or please play the game, or sub out.

in terms of my standing as a player, this is actually right up my alley. one time i didn't post for substantial period and claimed it was because i accidentally locked myself in a burger king.

chalk it up to adult adhd, i guess

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There's a funny exploit you can do with custom spells where you get

-A summon creature spell
-A 100% reflect magic spell that you can cast touch
-A spell that gives 100% weakness to magic with a small positive buff appended to it

and a few other things like a spell that fortify's intelligence/magicka and a paralyze for your summon so it doesn't attack you. Paralyze the summon, cast the reflect on it, cast your magic weakness spell on it, and watch the positive buff you attached scale exponetionally, onto you. 100 times more broken than even Morrowind alchemy.

i've been using a demoralize/fortify speed/fortify athletics spell. you cast it, and your target just starts running away with ludicrous haste. it's great

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i'll toss out a little morsel related to this game, too (even though schadd_'s ruleset doesn't require that of me necessarily): ak's frustration with me reads townie

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not contributing can certainly appear to be not townie, sure. but if i were scum, don't you think i'd be more worried about optics? how do you think i would stand to benefit from what i'm doing if i were scum?

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Sky, I get what you're doing and knock it off.

the only thing i'm doing is letting my adhd run rampant

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Sky. Is this a D1 thing only, or are you switching to play Destiny2 or something else D2. Come on get in the game please

you'll probably be happier with my activity levels/contributions to game at some point. i do this a lot. in my defense, this game started during a major holiday, and oblivion is really addictive. also we're only half way thru day one.

my activity waxes and wanes, it's not unusual for me. but this game will probably be an extreme example of that

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i mean my activity levels certainly aren't an active choice. since this game started my life has been:

- thanksgiving activities
- going to protests
- everything breaking at my job (and historically my job is pretty chill and most of my posting is on the clock)
- accidentally hyperfocusing on a video game from 2006

and again i reiterate that it's only been 6 days, and we have 6 more days left for day one. i will get to it at some point soon, i don't feel bad about my activity levels, and this feels a little overblown all things considered.

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I'm not getting the same SR feel from Sky as I did on that player, but the playstyle claim makes me nervous now.

i mean the playstyle thing is easily verifiable. it's also a playstyle claim i've made in many a game. if it makes you feel better, faking reads as scum comes pretty naturally to me

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I don’t like this idea. To me that is not the best move for town, just a random lim on a low contributor. I appreciate there is likely scum essentially hiding in the shadows but it’s a complete shot in the dark.

Surely it’s better to lim someone specific we have some suspicion over rather than just a complete random lim?

this feels at odds with his vote on me

VOTE: proj

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I don’t like this idea. To me that is not the best move for town, just a random lim on a low contributor. I appreciate there is likely scum essentially hiding in the shadows but it’s a complete shot in the dark.

Surely it’s better to lim someone specific we have some suspicion over rather than just a complete random lim?

this feels at odds with his vote on me

VOTE: proj

How? I think Project has made it clear that he's suspicious of you now

i don't see how he can reach that conclusion, it feels like a reach after saying that voting low contributers is a shot in the dark. and i feel like it should be rather obvious that a player who is avoiding generating content for nefarious reasons would go about it differently, rather than draw attention to it by shitposting. his vote on me seems like an easy low effort way to form a wagon with flimsy but kinda uncontroversial reasoning. it feels like a safe vote rather than a solvey vote.

there are other parts of his iso i dont like too fwiw

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It seems likes you are actively working against trying to contribute. Even after today when this has been pointed out to you, you still have yet to contribute anything meaningful. Your posts have all mainly been fluff.

again, it's been six days. i'm at least trying today. and i'm not posting a wall to justify voting a player just for low activity.

In regards to the optics, yes potentially, but it feels like one of those situations where you do something so clearly scummy that you hide behind the defence of well I'm obviously not scum because I'd never do anything as stupidly obvious as that.

i mean, in what way does that benefit scum-me? it would catch up to me eventually. wifom like that is not a great survival mechanism in the long term.

It certainly feels like an active choice. You've been around posting a lot today, but still nothing meaningful. Until your vote on me (which I'll come onto) you still hadn't shared a single thought on other players alignments. I also asked you your thoughts at 555, but you haven't responded to that.

i think my posts have been at least somewhat meaningful. i haven't digested a lot of the game yet and i'm not about to make up reads just because someone asked me for reads. i'll post my reads on my own time as they come to me. and you never responded to me asking why you thought i said i was busy.

Also, your position here seems to be 'my current contribution (or lack of) isn't a problem, ignore it, I'll contribute more later in the game'. That's almost like asking for a pass for day 1. You want to be left alone to coast by, which is suspicious.

it's not suspicious. i have done this many times before. i will continue to do this. in fact, judging by the join dates of the two people voting me, i have a hunch that i'll continue getting away with it, because the people that know me don't seem to be bothered enough to even press me that hard on it. maybe its problematic behavior on my part but i get away with it because i'm funny.

There is a difference between the two positions.

I'm opposed to a pure random elimination on a low contributor - in this situation there is no suspicion whatsoever. The player has contributed nothing to gauge any suspicious.

The difference with you is that whilst my suspicion arises from your lack of contribution, I'm not voting for you purely because you haven't contributed, but rather due to your reasoning or attitude behind not contributing.

i mean, the oblivion thing was shitposting to some extent, as i clarified later. even so, i don't see any sort of functional difference between "i'm busy" and "i've been distracted by other things." so i don't think there's an actual difference between the two positions, i think you just wanted to make an easy push.

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VOTE: project

I think this is just a random pressure vote to gauge a reaction, but if not please share your reasons.

this is such a ridiculously scummy post.

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there are other parts of his iso i dont like too fwiw

Care to share?
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it feels like you're playing to get townread instead of playing to solve. can't find the words beyond that at the moment.

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there are other parts of his iso i dont like too fwiw

Care to share?

it feels like you're playing to get townread instead of playing to solve. can't find the words beyond that at the moment.

I don't understand how you can look at Project's iso and come to this conclusion. He's pretty clearly trying to solve imo

I also don't think 627 is "ridiculously scummy" or even scummy at all considering his views on votes without reasons in 158

This push is kinda scummy

i mean sure on the surface level it seems solvey but i feel like his posts have a lot of fluff to them in a way that reads to me as more worried about optics/putting on the appearance of solving. i feel like his vote on me indicates that he's not actually putting that much thought into solving the game.

and immediately assuming its a pressure vote is certainly scummy. it's a weird conclusion to jump to off of a naked vote, kind of like those moments where scum assumes a guilty against them is a fake guilty rather than calling the guiltying part scum. it reads like someone who is too self-aware of their own optics and has been actively evaluating how people are reading them. i don't see how the prior post ties into anything other than both posts involve naked votes.

but i think project is more than capable of defending himself and i'd rather see him do that than someone else, thanks.

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VOTE: Skygazer

Really not liking this push right after she admitted that it's easy for her to come up with scumreads as scum

skygazer does nothing: oh my god shes not doing anything!!

skygazer starts doing stuff in reaction to being attacked for doing nothing: oh my god she's making up reads!!

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it's not suspicious. i have done this many times before. i will continue to do this. in fact, judging by the join dates of the two people voting me, i have a hunch that i'll continue getting away with it, because the people that know me don't seem to be bothered enough to even press me that hard on it. maybe its problematic behavior on my part but i get away with it because i'm funny.

I'm also just not vibing with this thought at all. It gives me the vibe of "I'm too good at this to be caught"

that's not at all what i'm getting at in that post and it feels disingenuous for you to push that narrative; i was literally just saying that ive lurked before as all alignments and will continue to lurk as all alignments. maybe my other posts give off a "i know how to play scum etc etc" vibe but i think its valid for me to push why someone is attributing malice to an action that isn't scum motivated and would be considered questionable scum play even if it's play that isn't super helpful for town

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but i think project is more than capable of defending himself and i'd rather see him do that than someone else, thanks.

I mean Project is my top townread so I'm going to raise my eyebrows when someone pushes that for reasons I don't think are valid. But ok I'll take a step back for now

i feel like we've both seen examples of scum newbies getting passes for posting a lot of words and looking solvey at the surface level. it happens a lot. so i don't see why you think my reasons aren't valid.

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This read could be completely off, but I’d be curious to know peoples thoughts.

But I do think that’s a very basic, newbie take from me.

These posts seem too hedgey, feels like he's preemptively trying to respond to anyone who questions his reads by excusing himself as a new player.

Aside from that, he's just asking a lot of questions and not really following through on them that much. At least not as much as I'd expect from someone actually trying to solve via the questions. I'm not tracking his thought processes to the extent you are, to me they just seem like questions he's throwing out there for the sake of asking questions. Furthermore, the first real vote he laid down tosses all of the thought processes that might be there out the window to go for what I perceive to be a vote that scum would feel extremely comfortable making. It's hard to find specific quotes because this is very much just an "overall vibe" kinda thing.

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not contributing can certainly appear to be not townie, sure. but if i were scum, don't you think i'd be more worried about optics? how do you think i would stand to benefit from what i'm doing if i were scum?

this was honestly exactly what i was thinking- went in adhd, noted sky seemed incredibly unconcerned and then now that sky has used this exact defense it's a little bit less credible in my mind, especially since they currently seem to be arguing with black(?)

defending myself is scummy now? ppl are sus at me for not caring about the game and then get sus for me caring about the game? there's no winning huh

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I think Skygazer's case against Project is reasonable but I'm not liking how Skygazer is actually defending themselves here. A lot of "Well this is a bad play for scum to do so clearly I wouldn't be doing it" type arguments.

if it makes you feel better, i make these stupid self-meta arguments as both alignments. i purposefully dumbtell/badtell a lot as scum to try and reflect my town game. so i get where you're coming from

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Unfortunately, aside from now engaging me, I still don't think you have contributed anything meaningful today. You even state you're not going to 'make up reads' which I take to be provide any thoughts just because someone asked you to.

It also wasn't a wall just to justify my vote. We were having a discussion, I was responding to you.

what kind of contributions do you expect from someone who hasn't really participated whatsoever? it just seems like an arbitrary goal post shift, i don't get how you can look at someone who only just started contributing and complain that they haven't contributed enough. the contributions will take time, i can't provide thoughts when i don't have any yet.

i say wall because i feel like your argument took you in circles a bit. it seems like you were too skittish to place a vote, so when you finally go to place a vote you had to overjustify it. that's what i was trying to get at.

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The benefit for scum-you would be that you do think you could get away with it. You literally say 'I have a hunch that I'll continue getting away with it'. Your position is that the experienced players know what this is so they wouldn't vote you for it. Well then you could get away with it if you were really playing it from a scum angle.

i mean, i get away with it because most people have already realized i'll be like this regardless of alignment. okay, maybe in theory i could benefit as scum? but the benefit would literally just be "i don't have to contribute for a bit." but the argument that i'm doing this for a nefarious benefit doesn't hold any weight considering i do this like almost every game regardless of my alignment. it's like saying that someone who misyeeted a townie could be scum because they would benefit from a townie dying. like yes, it's technically true that scum benefit from misyeets, but town misyeet players all the time too.

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there are other parts of his iso i dont like too fwiw

Care to share?

it feels like you're playing to get townread instead of playing to solve. can't find the words beyond that at the moment.

are you willing to find quotes? ive always found project's posts to be generally towny if not a bit hollow
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see my 663

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I don’t like this idea. To me that is not the best move for town, just a random lim on a low contributor. I appreciate there is likely scum essentially hiding in the shadows but it’s a complete shot in the dark.

Surely it’s better to lim someone specific we have some suspicion over rather than just a complete random lim?

this feels at odds with his vote on me

VOTE: proj

i think his vote on you is because you pulled up and declared you wouldn't be doing much at all- while you were just inactive before now you're here but just saying you won't be contributing much

mmm but i don't understand what difference that makes. shitposting aside, i've very clearly indicated i want to start contributing at some point. idk

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There is a difference between the two positions.

I'm opposed to a pure random elimination on a low contributor - in this situation there is no suspicion whatsoever. The player has contributed nothing to gauge any suspicious.

The difference with you is that whilst my suspicion arises from your lack of contribution, I'm not voting for you purely because you haven't contributed, but rather due to your reasoning or attitude behind not contributing.

i mean, the oblivion thing was shitposting to some extent, as i clarified later. even so, i don't see any sort of functional difference between "i'm busy" and "i've been distracted by other things." so i don't think there's an actual difference between the two positions, i think you just wanted to make an easy push.

Maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t understand your post here? I’m wasn’t talking about a difference between ‘I’m busy’ and ‘I’ve been distracted by other things’. I was talking about the difference in eliminating someone based purely off of no content vs. eliminating someone based off of their reasoning for low contribution.

Also, I forgot when quoting your other part to respond to the question re: why I thought you were busy. I must have misinterpreted you.

what i'm getting at: in what way do you think my reasonings for not contributing make me any more likely to be scum?

anyways, i don't see how my reasonings could change your mind on the matter, because you also mentioned that eliminating a low poster will bring little to analyze, and me shitposting about oblivion doesn't give us an more to analyze than any other zero poster.

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i dont wanna play mafia anymore im gonna play papa's pizzeria bye gang

understandable. i'm going to play oblivion the rest of the night as soon as i get home from work

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I think Skygazer's case against Project is reasonable but I'm not liking how Skygazer is actually defending themselves here. A lot of "Well this is a bad play for scum to do so clearly I wouldn't be doing it" type arguments.

if it makes you feel better, i make these stupid self-meta arguments as both alignments. i purposefully dumbtell/badtell a lot as scum to try and reflect my town game. so i get where you're coming from

Your tone here seems a lot more cordial responding to me than you have been responding to almost everyone else you've talked to over the course of this little debacle. Is there a specific reason for that?

probably has something to do with the "i get where you're coming from" thing, you didn't really say anything that i think needed further pushing because i can see why that particular behavior of mine could set off alarm bells (and it has before, in fact)

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Isn’t fluff posts and not trying to solve the game exactly what you’ve been doing the majority of this game?

If that’s scummy then it applies to you too.

no. the difference is that i'm rather open about it, and your fluff is more of an "inflate my word count to look like i'm putting in effort" kind of thing to my eyes.

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To me this reads your focus on me is reactionary. You think I’m scum because I’ve accused you.

also no. i think you're scum for the reasons i've listed, not because you voted me. you set off alarm bells right when i was just getting started, which is why you were the first player i zoomed in on. outworld expressed suspicion of me and i didn't scumread that; so did kurtapika.

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VOTE: Skygazer

Think ultimately my distrust in Skygazer supersedes his points against Project. I think the way that Project has pushed this is mostly consistent with his earlier behavior; I don't think there's a huge inconsistency between 337 and 579, and I think the contrast of how un-confident he was in his earlier reads vs. how thoroughly he's thrown himself into the 1v1 vs Sky makes me believe this push is genuine. I get the feeling that Project genuinely thinks he's caught scum active lurking here.

Skygazer's tone when he's speaking to Jupiter, Project, and Black to some extent (in fact 647 was the post that tipped me off to this train of thought) vs. the way he talked to me and to some extent Afrayed is really giving me the vibes of "caught for the wrong reasons" mafia. Project's push on him is genuinely somewhat flawed, but the way Skygazer responded to it, and how invested he seems when doing so, is a large contrast to the "I'm just shitposting and chilling as town angle" he was selling earlier in the game.

I think I'm comfortable within a Skygazer, Kurtapika, shaddowez limpool for the day.

so basically, when i shitpost i get flak for not taking things seriously i get flak, and when i take things seriously i get flak because i'm not shitposting? lol

it is very much not a "caught for the wrong reasons" thing though. i still think yours and AK's takes were flawed (obviously), but i really don't see a need to push either you when i think town thought processes could lead to those takes. stuff that black and project posted made me want to grill them on it to see what happens. i'm also not scumreading jupiter and i don't really see how my tone is off with them, elaborate on that

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VOTE: Skygazer

Think ultimately my distrust in Skygazer supersedes his points against Project. I think the way that Project has pushed this is mostly consistent with his earlier behavior; I don't think there's a huge inconsistency between 337 and 579, and I think the contrast of how un-confident he was in his earlier reads vs. how thoroughly he's thrown himself into the 1v1 vs Sky makes me believe this push is genuine. I get the feeling that Project genuinely thinks he's caught scum active lurking here.

Skygazer's tone when he's speaking to Jupiter, Project, and Black to some extent (in fact 647 was the post that tipped me off to this train of thought) vs. the way he talked to me and to some extent Afrayed is really giving me the vibes of "caught for the wrong reasons" mafia. Project's push on him is genuinely somewhat flawed, but the way Skygazer responded to it, and how invested he seems when doing so, is a large contrast to the "I'm just shitposting and chilling as town angle" he was selling earlier in the game.

I think I'm comfortable within a Skygazer, Kurtapika, shaddowez limpool for the day.

so basically, when i shitpost i get flak for not taking things seriously i get flak, and when i take things seriously i get flak because i'm not shitposting? lol

it is very much not a "caught for the wrong reasons" thing though. i still think yours and AK's takes were flawed (obviously), but i really don't see a need to push either

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you when i think town thought processes could lead to those takes. stuff that black and project posted made me want to grill them on it to see what happens. i'm also not scumreading jupiter and i don't really see how my tone is off with them, elaborate on that

ebwop

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ah dang not gonna bother doing another ebwop

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oblivion time bye

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actually real quick: slightly worried that dannflor is whiteknighting me but eh idk

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VOTE: Skygazer

Think ultimately my distrust in Skygazer supersedes his points against Project. I think the way that Project has pushed this is mostly consistent with his earlier behavior; I don't think there's a huge inconsistency between 337 and 579, and I think the contrast of how un-confident he was in his earlier reads vs. how thoroughly he's thrown himself into the 1v1 vs Sky makes me believe this push is genuine. I get the feeling that Project genuinely thinks he's caught scum active lurking here.

Skygazer's tone when he's speaking to Jupiter, Project, and Black to some extent (in fact 647 was the post that tipped me off to this train of thought) vs. the way he talked to me and to some extent Afrayed is really giving me the vibes of "caught for the wrong reasons" mafia. Project's push on him is genuinely somewhat flawed, but the way Skygazer responded to it, and how invested he seems when doing so, is a large contrast to the "I'm just shitposting and chilling as town angle" he was selling earlier in the game.

I think I'm comfortable within a Skygazer, Kurtapika, shaddowez limpool for the day.

so basically, when i shitpost i get flak for not taking things seriously i get flak, and when i take things seriously i get flak because i'm not shitposting? lol

it is very much not a "caught for the wrong reasons" thing though. i still think yours and AK's takes were flawed (obviously), but i really don't see a need to push either you when i think town thought processes could lead to those takes. stuff that black and project posted made me want to grill them on it to see what happens. i'm also not scumreading jupiter and i don't really see how my tone is off with them, elaborate on that

I'm very much not scumreading you for "taking things seriously" and boiling it down to that level of simplicity feels incredibly disingenuous. My specific take was that the level of frustration you showed, as well as the overall level of concern you had for Jupiter, Project, and Black's takes on you, were very much in contrast to the easygoing persona you were cultivating earlier in the game. Posts like 642 and 664 are incredibly snarky, and the latter in particular is an oversimplification of the post you're quoting, which is the Jupiter interaction I was specifically thinking of.

Your defenses here consist mostly of self-meta and appeals to ridicule. The way you go about it feels as though you find the arguments both absurd but also are genuinely concerned about them, which is where I derive the "caught for wrong reasons" conclusion from. You're still doing it, even with the first sentence of this post.

i don't think it's disingenous considering you literally used the phrase "how invested he is" and compared that to when i was not taking things seriously, but maybe thats just a verbiage misunderstanding on my part

i get annoyed when i'm scumread, hence the snark. it's incredibly annoying that in every town game i play, i'll get scumread for something nai no matter what. in this instance it seems like some people are scumreading me for not caring and some people are scumreading me for suddenly caring. so yeah a catch 22 is gonna frustrate me.

i don't think 664 is an oversimplification considering they literally said me caring enough to argue with black caused them to flip their read??

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actually real quick: slightly worried that dannflor is whiteknighting me but eh idk

actually idk if this is fair given I haven't actually expressed a read on you yet i don't think

well maybe now I have implied one by my read on Projectry but I hadn't at this point

why did you say this

mostly just that i've been burned by scum white knighting me before. and whiteknighting a townie is one of those tips that pops up in a lot of those "how to wolf" guides from high level players. so the fact that you've wagoned two players that have voted me, and are currently pushing a third player that is voting me, seemed notable enough to note. but i don't feel like going down that rabbithole any further because it's likely just paranoia and would probably bring me more stress and not really glean anything actually readable

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i think i always procrastinate on getting invested in games because once i get invested, games turn into small obsessions x_x

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i should prob iso kurtapika huh

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not contributing can certainly appear to be not townie, sure. but if i were scum, don't you think i'd be more worried about optics? how do you think i would stand to benefit from what i'm doing if i were scum?

this was honestly exactly what i was thinking- went in adhd, noted sky seemed incredibly unconcerned and then now that sky has used this exact defense it's a little bit less credible in my mind, especially since they currently seem to be arguing with black(?)

defending myself is scummy now? ppl are sus at me for not caring about the game and then get sus for me caring about the game? there's no winning huh

I'm not sus of you because you're caring about the game. It's more what you're choosing to care about. You jump in and immediately attack one of the two people voting you and you may disagree but I don't think the reasons are very good. Idk to me it all just felt like you setting up a big stage so you could explain to everyone that they shouldn't be scumreading you here

i mean it's easier to get invested when things are about you, and there happened to be lull at my job yesterday. one of the most important things you can do as town is just not get eliminated, so why not defend myself? and i could argue that my primary focus hasn't been defending myself (although i have been doing that), but rather using myself to glean info. i'm like a problematic youtuber, generating controversy for content.

i think there's likely one scum on my wagon.

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I will be VLA until Monday evening (GMT +4) its a national holiday this weekend in the UAE

i hope you have a good nation formation commemoration celebration!

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Titus seems town

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i like her read crumbing thingy. i like her interactions with me.

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where is kurtapika at vote wise? i'm fine switching there i think. i also don't like black's reaction to titus' thing so i can buy them as partners

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ufh my head hurts

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hi camel!

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My main issue with T3 is that it felt like he had solving energy until he got wagoned and then he went V/LA for 5 days. It's very possible he was just busy but I can't help but be paranoid that it might have been an attempt to deflate the pressure. I don't really like his posting from over the weekend and I just get the vibe that he's trying to start any counterwagon possible with the attack on Aisa and then asking OWER to explain his Skygazer read in 923. If I were town in T3's shoes I would be trying a lot harder here

i finished a game not too long ago where T3 and i were scum together and i don't remember him doing this; he seemed quite comfy as scum. but i'm not sure how much pressure he had on him.

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played as The Stage

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He alt-slipped page 80 but I'm guessing he wasn't worried about playing to his own meta prior to that since he was on an alt

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VOTE: T3

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i voted skygazer* because of the comparison to booneytoonz, that sold it for me i think

i feel like i get called out with incorrect meta reads after every time i get a scum W

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T3 is not the ideal exe for me but w/e

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VOTE: Black

yolo

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I like this more than T3. I still think the way Black engaged me felt off

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VOTE: Black

yolo

I like this more than T3. I still think the way Black engaged me felt off

This could definitely be scum. Sky hasn't done much outside of defend herself and join the leading wagons

i think the latter portion is not true? i was on smaller wagons for awhile literally up until i voted kurtapika (if i even voted kurtapika, can't remember). T3 was a consolidation vote that I didn't prefer.

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oh i never even voted kurtapika lol

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so there's this thing called "consolidating votes..."

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i think if black actually thought i was scummy here she would consolidate onto me instead of keeping her useless 24 hours left titus vote

the fact i'm this strong of a scumread and shes not voting me makes me think shes worried about looking oppurtunistic

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lol

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awesomeeeee

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What the fuck

don't like this reaction all that much

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What the fuck

don't like this reaction all that much

why not? i was reading and i scroleld down, saw her self-hammer and also said that out loud lol

I'm guessing performative is Sky's thought on that

yeah and like... my reaction to the hammer was not "what the fuck" but rather "fuck yeah!!!"

so another thing i'm getting at is that T3's reaction seems kind of too salty to come from town. but I could be wrong

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What the fuck

don't like this reaction all that much

why not? i was reading and i scroleld down, saw her self-hammer and also said that out loud lol

I'm guessing performative is Sky's thought on that

yeah and like... my reaction to the hammer was not "what the fuck" but rather "fuck yeah!!!"

so another thing i'm getting at is that T3's reaction seems kind of too salty to come from town. but I could be wrong

I duno, I think this is stretching slightly. I’d say my reaction was WTF - Why did she hammer herself if scum.

If Black is scum does scum giving up and hammering themselves happen often?

not just the wtf, but T3's other posts immediately after too

[Skygazer]

they just give off a salty vibe to me

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i'm gonna shut up now bc twilight

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im not gonna shut up i think skygazer is a likely partner for black

first of all how dare you

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That case is extremely weak-sauce and I think the T3/Black partner theory gains more merit by the post.

This makes no sense. If Black and I were partners we both could have gotten away with voting Skygazer and no one would have batted an eye. If I'm scum, why do I push Titus? And why does my partner, Black, feel the need to sheep my case on Titus when again, she could have just voted Skygazer and been done with it?

This only works in a world where the team is exactly T3/Black/Skygazer and we desperately need to get the pressure off one of us.

i'm wavering on T3, i feel like this could be unpartnered? i feel like scum tend to try and ignore moments when their partner gets called out, so T3 addressing it directly gives townie vibes in hindsight. that being said, i rlly don't like T3's end of day yesterday

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i wanna say that Black wasn't the only scum on my wagon, the fact that it took me goading her to vote me makes me think she either wanted to distance from a partner already voting me, or just didn't want to be seen as opportunistic

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ugh wifoming myself on T3's defense of the Black/T3 partnered accusation. will think on it

aisa/black interactions are pinging me though

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So this post from this page pinged me but on second thought I feel like I've been called out for saying stuff like this as town so idk. But it's what made me ctrl+f "Black" in Aisa's iso:

thank for wagoning black for me while i blissfully ignored the game for a day

This post I read as fence-sitty in a way that kinda gives possible partner vibes:

Ok I have finally read or skimmed all the posts in the game
I've acquired tentative townreads on both Dann and Black. I know they are considered capable scum players and maybe I am playing with fire but still

The last line of this post gave me the same fence-sitty vibes:

I think I initially underestimated how similar Black's posting is between Open 888 and here and assumed Afrayed was being stubborn. I;ve just tkaen another look and at least superficially there are similarities
I'm not saying this makes Black scum but I feel more understanding of Afrayed's push on her now

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And then in Black's iso:

Early townread on Aisa:

I feel good about Aisa so far. It feels like she's engaging with people in a cooperative and amicable way and it feels like she's trying to genuinely figure them out

Softball question I see partners lob each others way a lot:

- I kinda think Titus is a little towny so far? I've definitely not read her wrong before
- I don't think OutworldER is necessarily evil, but I disagree with the townreads they're gotten so far

Can you elaborate on these two reads?

Generic and unexplained townread on Aisa:

We're seeing the game similarly except for the Aisa read. I'm not familiar with her meta but I feel good about her thoughts and questions so far.

Finally this reads list; I feel like scum usually put their partners towards the upper-middle of their reads lists unless they're bussing:

Project
Dannflor

Kurtapika
Jupiter
Aisa

shaddow
CCS
Bellaphant
OWER

Afrayed
T3

Sky
Titus

This is probably where I'm at rn

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i will say this exercise has me thinking i'm just reading too much into things; on a second read through i started to get the vibe that Black was just trying to pocket Aisa

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i would rather t3 than kurtapika personally. but i should note that every time i've sat down to look at kurtapika i just go "ugh that's a lot of words per post" and get distracted. so my opinion there is not as well-researched as it should be

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actually yeah this just makes sense

VOTE: T3

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reskimmed T3's iso, and he doesn't seem at all worried about persuading Black that he's town, even after Black started pushing him. He did try to defend himself from other people SRing him, but the way he was acting with Black makes me think he wasn't at all worried about her read on him. so that further solidifies T3 as scum in my mind.

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VOTE: skygazer

ah i thought you were lying end of day yesterday as some kind of twilight shenanigan

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well after review, i'm fully convinced that T3 is scum now, so i don't think my vote won't change today

[Skygazer]

well after review, i'm fully convinced that T3 is scum now, so i don't think my vote will change today

ebwop

every time i fuck up i feel like the edit button is taunting me

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VOTE: Skygazer

are you scumreading me now? your reasoning yesterday was just survivalism, so is that still the case? or did something change?

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yes i saw that and yes i do think it comes across as unconcerned

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VOTE: Skygazer

are you scumreading me now? your reasoning yesterday was just survivalism, so is that still the case? or did something change?

Your case yesterday was incredibly bad faith and same today

what is bad faith about it

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Hey Titus, the university I work at has a law school, and I was attending an event over there today, but I missed the Q&A (had to go back to work). But you might know the answer. If a declarant has a valid reason for their absence (they're very ill, they're in danger, etc), would that grant a hearsay exception? Are there cases where it's kind of blurry?

If this is a very stupid question (like if it's unethical to give law advice over the internet) feel free to just ignore me though.

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oh whoops it can wait

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@Titus: cool ty. don't mean to derail the game but the question was bugging me

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Skygazer pm me.

nah nvm it's not that important and i don't think it would help anything after second thoughts

ty though

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VOTE: Skygazer

are you scumreading me now? your reasoning yesterday was just survivalism, so is that still the case? or did something change?

Your case yesterday was incredibly bad faith and same today

what is bad faith about it

Let me put it this way: I was 'salty' but you haven't differentiated my tone between "annoyed town" and "annoyed town." I was pretty annoyed that my strongest townread had just claimed scum and I dislike how you're construing my annoyance to mean that I'm scum, when there is an alternative, equally likely explanation.

i mean the severity of the reaction plays into it for me too. i feel like when i'm wrong i just go "oh whoops" and move on quickly because a W is a W. i think your reaction seems more appropriate as a "my team is in a really bad spot" reaction over a "i misread someone." i understand that town can get annoyed, but your annoyance here does not look town.

i also think that you think that i'm just the easiest counterwagon to push through, which is why you tossed out a blanket statement like "bad faith" rather than any actual points. you were open about the fact that you weren't scumreading me yesterday, and today the only thing tangible you've had against me was that you don't like my arguments against you because you think i should be reading your annoyance differently. so you're giving not-solving/defeated-scum vibes to me.

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based on what CCS has said, I think it's just upside-down lol

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ah wait but ccs is voting bellaphant nvm

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i thought it was flipped bc i think T3 is obvscum, and cCS said something about his read flipping on me

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VOTE: Sky

I don't know.. just something is pinging me

big sigh.

I see another bone

??

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okay. i'm 1v1ing T3. pretend i have a cop guilty on him or something. if he flips town then we can kill me tomorrow. but he won't flip town, i'm like 99% confident at this point (and i'm usually right when i'm this confident)

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T3 dies today or i die today !! simple as that

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afrayed: what do you think about my points against T3?

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afrayed: what do you think about my points against T3?

you mean kill him today, and if he is not scum we kill you tomorrow?

no, i mean the reasons i have kept calling him scum

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Really? You've been calling me strong to hard scum since the end of the day because "muh vibes" - I just do not see how that can be strong enough to form that kind of read. And sure, you supported your read with interactions but these are just a post-hoc justifications for your reads that ignores many many other pretty clearly unpartnered interactions that Black and I had yesterday.

summing it up as vibes is not that accurate anymore. i wouldn't feel this strongly if it was a vibe read. i've given enough reasoning that discounting it as "vibes" feels disingenuous

Stuff like this:

reskimmed T3's iso, and he doesn't seem at all worried about persuading Black that he's town, even after Black started pushing him. He did try to defend himself from other people SRing him, but the way he was acting with Black makes me think he wasn't at all worried about her read on him. so that further solidifies T3 as scum in my mind.

doesn't consider the actual reasons for why I responded to Black in the way that I did.

which would be?? i'm not a mind reader but you're expecting me to be one

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afrayed: what do you think about my points against T3?

you mean kill him today, and if he is not scum we kill you tomorrow?

oh whoops i misunderstood but yes this is what i want

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clearly unpartnered interactions that Black and I had yesterday.

which are? i mean i don't hold much weight to the "clearly unpartnered" thing because scum can orchestrate those kinds of interactions, and dann was saying that black's self-hammer probably means scum felt comfy-ish with their optics which i think could be true

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summing it up as vibes is not that accurate anymore. i wouldn't feel this strongly if it was a vibe read. i've given enough reasoning that discounting it as "vibes" feels disingenuous

I'm not saying your read is vibes

now

, but yesterday you were strongly scumreading me for vibes.

strongly is a stretch, this is what i had to say yesterday:

Spoiler:

What the fuck

don't like this reaction all that much

yeah and like... my reaction to the hammer was not "what the fuck" but rather "fuck yeah!!!"

so another thing i'm getting at is that T3's reaction seems kind of too salty to come from town. but I could be wrong

not just the wtf, but T3's other posts immediately after too

they just give off a salty vibe to me

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i hope you have a good night, i'll stop pestering you and go play oblivion now

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The only world in which Titus actually has a guilty on me is if I both somehow don’t know that she is Jailkeeper and my partner is exactly Kurta.

?? did you spot a crumb yesterday?

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this probably doesn't need to be said but i spotted the crumbing from today and that was a big factor in my T3 read

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The only world in which Titus actually has a guilty on me is if I both somehow don’t know that she is Jailkeeper and my partner is exactly Kurta.

?? did you spot a crumb yesterday?

No, last night.

then why is that the only world?

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alternatively, T3 could have made the kill because the other partner was so townie that there was a possibility of them being jailkept for protection

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While it's possible T3 is town, a doctor knows another player is town as there's no way scum kill T3.

i agree that flipping T3 is optimal because yeah that clears someone to the doctor if we're wrong, it'd be better to get that clear now than to wait (since waiting increases the chances of the doc dying)

rlly doubt we're wrong tho

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so T3 is like by far the best possible elimination today

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even if he's town (doubt it) his flip helps us

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Jeez, I've got a lot to catch up on. Haven't read more than a page of D2 yet, but based on Black's interactions and everything else from D1 I'm gonna start here - nono/snivy. Reading might change my mind, but between the VCA and Black trying to associate nono with Kurta based on a very low activity player makes me not like that slot.

if T3 is scum then this post probably comes from town?? scum would already be aware of the situation by reading the PT, and my assumption is that they would open the day by addressing their T3 read or Titus read or something.

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why does this only apply if T3 is scum

because T3 would presumably be talking about this a lot and trying to come up with a game plan or something in the scum pt; i'm not sure if this could be assumed if T3 is town though, as scum might not have as much of a vested interested in this situation. and it'd be hard to guess how much a scum team without T3 on it would be posting about Titus v T3 in the scum thread

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what's the syntax to post a spoiler. I know you have to add a second code to the line after you have added spoiler, what is it please

Code: Select all

collapsible spoilers: [spoiler=]your text here[/spoiler]

censor bar spoilers: [spoiler]your text here[/spoiler]

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also anything after the = but before the ] will turn into the title of the collapsible spoiler

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Skygazer... Maybe this is unfair but I feel they would be reconsidering the T3 read more as town. I feel like they are playing up how much they think it's going to flip scum so that when it flips town they look uninformed. But the constant interjections of "if T3 flips town (IT 100% WON'T)" feels very unnatural to me.

I also think the way Black played around Skygazer's wagon reads like SvS, and I think Skygazer called out Black for not voting her specifically because Skygazer had an informed perspective that it looked bad! I think a lot of things make sense if we had competing SvS wagons at the end of Day 1.

i mean, if T3 flipped town i would be shocked here, but it's still a possibility. i think flipping T3 is mechanically correct regardless. in actuality my odds are somewhere closer to 90% on T3 flipping scum, but i'm trying some playstyle changes. i've found from my last scum game that being loud and confident is a great way to sway people (and being loud also draws out more reactions to look at), so i'm trying to find more ways to use that to my advantage as town. before titus full-claimed, my confidence was mostly just to try and push things through without titus having to claim.

in terms of me calling out Black, that's something that could easily be said in the scum pt??? i'm proud of that call-out and i'm proud of me noticing Black's scum read on me didn't add up basically right away

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anyways we're eliminating between me and T3 today so get your vote back on me or vote T3 please and thank you

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Dann have you played with scum-T3 before? he's good as scum (we just had a perfect W together) and i think trying to read him tonally is flawed, especially considering the non-tonal stuff is screaming that he's scum.

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dannflor: if T3 flips scum do you think that's exonerating or would you just claim i have tmi again? bc i have a feeling if we flip T3 you'll scumread me no matter what he flips, as of right now. if you think i had tmi on Black then you'll probably think i have tmi on scum-T3 based on my confidence here, and you just stated that you think i'm scum that wants to look uninformed by T3 flipping town. i would really like to nip this tunnel in the bud, it feels like i'm going to be in a catch-22 imminently

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why does this only apply if T3 is scum

because T3 would presumably be talking about this a lot and trying to come up with a game plan or something in the scum pt; i'm not sure if this could be assumed if T3 is town though, as scum might not have as much of a vested interested in this situation. and it'd be hard to guess how much a scum team without T3 on it would be posting about Titus v T3 in the scum thread

you don't think a scum team of any composition would be talking about a JK claim?

i think there's a difference between a scum team frantically trying to avoid an elimination and a scum team mentioning a JK claim that popped up. the former has enough urgency to immediately impact the route scum wants to take, the latter is just something notable that can be worried about later.

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why does this only apply if T3 is scum

because T3 would presumably be talking about this a lot and trying to come up with a game plan or something in the scum pt; i'm not sure if this could be assumed if T3 is town though, as scum might not have as much of a vested interested in this situation. and it'd be hard to guess how much a scum team without T3 on it would be posting about Titus v T3 in the scum thread

you don't think a scum team of any composition would be talking about a JK claim?

i think there's a difference between a scum team frantically trying to avoid an elimination and a scum team mentioning a JK claim that popped up. the former has enough urgency to immediately impact the route scum wants to take, the latter is just something notable that can be worried about later.

and i think that if T3 were town, scum would be less likely to weigh in on the jailkeep and let it run its natural course

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also i should clarify that the main reason ive been bringing up the possibility that T3 is town is that it's mechanically correct to flip him regardless, and i feel that pointing that out over and over might eventually sway the doubters.

i feel like this year, every time i've had a read as confident as this i've been right, so i won't be letting this go

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While it's possible T3 is town, a doctor knows another player is town as there's no way scum kill T3.

i agree that flipping T3 is optimal because yeah that clears someone to the doctor if we're wrong, it'd be better to get that clear now than to wait (since waiting increases the chances of the doc dying)

So, what? We flip me, I flip town, and now the Doctor has a clear who they can't out?

they can crumb, they can claim their target to avoid a miselim, etc

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also of note, if T3 is scum, we're left with 1 scum left and titus' role becomes very strong

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(because she can start clearing people)

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spoiler alert: i'm town

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but I also think it's kind of useful to put pressure on players like aisa to actually take a stance then just auto kill T3 right off the bat here because Aisa hasn't really taken a hard stance on the game since forever

i vibe with this, we can keep the day going

i just feel really strongly that today needs to end on a T3 elimination

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fwiw i think if T3 flips scum i think you look rather townie from this exchange

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no need to apologize though, this is the nature of the game haha

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what do you think of the town reads / lim pool outside of you skygazer

i agree with every read of yours aside from me and T3

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but I also think it's kind of useful to put pressure on players like aisa to actually take a stance then just auto kill T3 right off the bat here because Aisa hasn't really taken a hard stance on the game since forever

i vibe with this, we can keep the day going

i just feel really strongly that today needs to end on a T3 elimination

scratch that, quick yeeting might be better because we won't risk outting the doc

[Skygazer]

T3 is really playing up the resigned town thing but he's still scum, Dann

[Skygazer]

i'll post more tomorrow, am out with friends

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the facts:

- Titus jailkept T3
- no one died last night
- T3 responded negatively to a scum self-hammer
- T3 claims he spotted the Titus crumb during night one, which seems unlikely looking at what the crumb actually was
- T3 showed no indication that he spotted the crumb in his thought processes/words today
- the fact that T3 was baffled at how strong my scum read was is also indicative that he wasn't aware of the crumb at all
- lets suppose he did spot the crumb and just didn't acknowledge it whatsoever until Titus claimed, looking for crumbs in itself is still scummy behavior

T3 is obvscum y'all!!!!

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honestly at this point i'm thinking dannflor could just be scum with T3 and running interference. the T3 thing feels pretty cut and dry to me at this point??

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if T3 is scum, then scum needs to scramble to save him (otherwise this game gets really hard for them), and dannflor has been taking the most overt actions to save him today

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thunderdome just means i'm 1v1ing T3, it's a reference to mad max i think

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But also I just can’t shake the feeling Skygazer is overblowing her push on T3

maybe but i think it's appropriate. i think the odds of T3 flipping scum are really strong and if he flips scum that's ridiculously good for town. i think if the momentum dies down right now and he's scum then that's really bad, and building the momentum back up would be like pulling teeth. i guess ordinarily i wouldn't be pushing as hard but i feel really strongly that this is the right choice, and the easiest way to push things through is to just be loud and persistent. i think the odds and benefits of this are strong enough that i'm willing to burn all of the towncred i have on this if he happens flip town.

[Skygazer]

he claimed vt d1

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sorry T3

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i'm still holding out for T3 trolling personally

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honestly at this point i'm thinking dannflor could just be scum with T3 and running interference. the T3 thing feels pretty cut and dry to me at this point??

i don't really believe this is an actual thought and I think it's exactly the sort of read scum love to make when they know one of the slots the read is based off of is flipping town

i mean, isn't it kind of obvious that if T3 is scum then the partner would really need to scramble to save him today? otherwise it'd practically be auto-loss. there were some other people dragging their feet on T3 and trying to push things elsewhere, but you seemed to be the one most vocally trying to shift things elsewhere. and i don't like that you switched back to T3 when i called you out on this, especially if you were this adamant that i'm scum over T3. seems optics driven but i guess that doesn't hold much weight if T3 flips town

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Aisa's hammer seemed kinda over-explainy

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but I think you can take that one step closer and think... why would I kill Black D1 when that means I *have* to keep T3 alive going forward. If I wanted to bus, why not kill T3 (which I'd already set myself up to do) and keep Black alive, which tbh would probably be much easier.

i mean in this world where you're scum with T3 and Black, you would have no idea that the Black wagon would've blown up like it did. It could have been a move to dissipate T3's wagon by removing your vote while also distancing from Black. I don't remember how hard you wound up pushing for Black but I remember you were one of the first votes, which would not be the death sentence for Black you're saying it would be

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i do think it's funny that you accused me of trying to get townread by distancing from Black, when you're also pushing yourself as town so hard for voting Black. projection, perhaps?

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fuck i missed my 11111 post count screenshot

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idk i could also see this coming from town, but you literally called me out for something that i'm not really doing that you seem to be doing

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you're arguing that you voting for black makes you town. earlier you argued that i was trying to look town by voting for black. does that help?

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ah maybe i misinterpreted what you meant, you seemed to be arguing more that i had tmi??

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why do i keep signing up for games it's too stressful !!!

[Skygazer]

why do i keep signing up for games it's too stressful !!!

im sorry if im making it stressful! well, especially if you're town.

I do agree with your read on aisa! and idk im confident we can work it out if you're town but I have to tunnel a lot before I get there a lot of the time

this is the nature of the game! you're good, i just get too invested sometimes

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i'm going to feel like such an ass if T3 flips town lmao

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i would like to say i've played well outside of my scum range this game but i'm unhinged so that's probably not entirely true

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i've been a lil tunnel-visiony so this is liable to change as i reread, but maybe shaddowez? the thing i said about his opening of the day is more relevant if T3 is scum, but if T3 is town then i think scum might not want to rock the boat in either direction by weighing in on the claim stuff

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it kinda makes you feel bad for scum here lol

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i have a couple of theories on third scum but i'll wait to hear from titus

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VOTE: kurta

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perfect win?

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i still think dann could be a deep wolf

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the real deep wolf was the friends we made along the way

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sorry to everyone who found my play here obnoxious

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it was kinda fun to be loud and stubborn tho

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i think wagoning quickly was the right option tbh. i don't know what talking further could've accomplished aside from potentially revealing the doc.

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someone could slip up the longer the day goes on. keeping the doc hidden keeps titus from being killed. as of right now titus' presence is forcing scum to make this nightless, barring questionable night actions from someone.

a single miselimination in this game state is not the end of the world though lmao

[Skygazer]

not as quick as yesterday but fast pacing is bad for scum (regardless of hiding the doc, fast play has higher town ev)

still some things we can discuss today tho

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its my day off, be back later

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mmmmm i'm lost

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will try to get my bearings tomorrow

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oh, i thought about doc. doc can't protect the same person twice in a row, so they can't be on titus n3 since titus claimed d2

doc can be on the same person twice in a row

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i could go aisa or ccs i guess, maybeeee ak

i'm not paranoid enough to go there yet but i want to note that i think dannflor has a bit of scum equity here with his t3 flip floppery. he exudes towniness tho

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VOTE: ccs

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looking at the timestamps of those jupiter posts (you can set it up so you can see seconds, by the way), and the surrounding context, i doubt that any of jupiter's posts on this page were meant for a scum PT

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seems like good ole stream of consciousness posting

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its probably been long enough that it might be hard to dig up, so i would like to point out that at least one person has spewed themselves as not doc. this was exactly what i was talking about in terms of acting quickly to limit scum's info.

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hmm there might be something to the "main thread" thing but idk. i would assume that kind of slip would be less likely to happen considering the scum pt has only had one person in it for a bit

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cCS responding to a wall with "unfortunate circumstances" is really giving off defeated scum vibes to me

i think we should just kill ccs then aisa and then reevaluate from there if the game is still goin

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how in the world are you still scumreading me lol

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anyways. logic dictates that scum would want to be running interference against the t3 wagon, so i think ccs makes the most sense here looking at day two vote counts. aisa's t3 hammer is kind of weird which is why i wanna go there afterwards.

still think dann has scum equity with how he went about the t3 wagon, and i would like for someone to engage with me on that theory, which is why i'm bringing it up again. in my mind scum would probably try to get people off of T3 which dan did try to do, and scum would eventually give up and bus for the associative cred, and dann wound up on t3 eventually.

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lolhammering

VOTE: ccs

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i'm a double voter. schadd really messed up but decided to just roll with it

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my full role name is "town double voter oh whoops oh no my backspace key is broken oh well"

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VOTE: aisa

will try to get back into the solving mindset

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hope you're doing ok jupiter!

^ same!!

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i mean i don't think it's unfair in this instance to say that we shouldn't necessarily write dann off as town, mostly because of the way he went around the T3 stuff. he's not super high up on my list of people i want gone, but my mind keeps circling back to his day two T3 defenses.

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but i think (and deeply hope) the game will probably end before i actually have to start casing dann

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okay but is it just me or would it be extremely funny if i were scum here

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i'd like to think if i was scum with t3

that he would've died instead of black d1
and that also i wouldn't have soft defended him in the way i did while ultimately killing him all the same

fwiw my stronger gut feeling is that scum-you probably would have known how weird those T3 interactions would come across and played it differently

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yeah

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but i think (and deeply hope) the game will probably end before i actually have to start casing dann

Of all the people to mind meld with....

my brain can function sometimes !!

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UNVOTE:

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i'm not sober, thoughts later

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i do have a lot of time off until jan 2nd so if i'm not posting enough someone should cyberbully me into solving

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i guess with the volcano game that just ended i feel more comfy with dann being town here i think