Large Normal 246: Game Over

[Elements]

VOTE: Elements

I can believe you have done this
VOTE: Elements

[Elements]

Good day/evening! I hope everyone is doing well.

Why did I read this as an evil laugh XD

Foreshadowing

[Elements]

Gamma and Black probably town

[Elements]

Got the pagetop
Missed the bloop

[Elements]

Gamma and Black probably town

Gamma has done what so far?

It's a meta read based partly on mini open 893

[Elements]

Gamma and Black probably town

Gamma has done what so far?

Why not the same amount of puzzlement at both?

I like this
You can be town too, for now

[Elements]

Anyone want to start a wagon?

[Elements]

Anyone want to start a wagon?

VOTE: Duunstral
Voting the miller

If Dunn is a neighbour then I could see the miller claim coming from a traitor
But for now I think Dunn's town

[Elements]

Anyone want to start a wagon?

VOTE: Duunstral
Voting the miller

If Dunn is a neighbour then I could see the miller claim coming from a traitor
But for now I think Dunn's town

I got dave and Dunn confused
I can VOTE: dunn

[Elements]

Mmmmm
I've change my mind
VOTE: elements

[Elements]

Hieeee...

VOTE: Black since you are the only player I know

Have you considered voting a non-town?

[Elements]

I'm going to apologise now for how it seems I'm going to be playing the first few days of day 1

[Elements]

Keyleth's logbook entry 5446: They're onto me. Act natural add more emojis.

Quote has no relevance

Does anyone else think it's scum indicating when someone isn't voting?

[Elements]

It's one of those games I guess
VOTE: nono

Do you know what your vote doesn't count?

[Elements]

VOTE: Nono

[Elements]

Elements you have 13 posts on this page. Can you chill

I did pre-emptively apologise

[Elements]

Bloop

[Elements]

It's not my plan, I just have nothing to do and no impulse control

[Elements]

And I think most of my posts say something

[Elements]

VOTE: Nono

Why Nono?

To see if the null vote is to do with kyouko or nono

[Elements]

Keyleth's logbook entry 5446: They're onto me. Act natural add more emojis.

Quote has no relevance

Does anyone else think it's scum indicating when someone isn't voting?

Is this happening? Drawing attention to no voting isn't scum
Any observation is valid to make on any side

The quote was relevant
It was a jesty attempt to keyleth to vote

[Elements]

Hieeee...

VOTE: Black since you are the only player I know

Have you considered voting a non-town?

Why is Black town?

My initial vibes have fade
Black may not be town

[Elements]

It's one of those games I guess
VOTE: nono

Do you know what your vote doesn't count?

I was confused by the VC as well but it looks like Jingle put my first vote onto nono, striked it out to indicate I moved my vote, and put my current vote on Guillotina. I have a vote

I see now
VOTE: elements

[Elements]

Keyleth's logbook entry 5446: They're onto me. Act natural add more emojis.

Quote has no relevance

Does anyone else think it's scum indicating when someone isn't voting?

Is this happening? Drawing attention to no voting isn't scum
Any observation is valid to make on any side

The quote was relevant
It was a jesty attempt to keyleth to vote

Am I missing something? Who was attempting to have keyleth vote?

The idea was to play along with the 'oh no they've caught me" joke
I say something key is doing is scummy then then make note 54456 or whichever number it is and vote someone

[Elements]

Bloop

[Elements]

I have to say, elements is good at baffling me.

Thank you

[Elements]

Keyleth's logbook entry 5446: They're onto me. Act natural add more emojis.

Quote has no relevance

Does anyone else think it's scum indicating when someone isn't voting?

Is this happening? Drawing attention to no voting isn't scum
Any observation is valid to make on any side

The quote was relevant
It was a jesty attempt to keyleth to vote

Am I missing something? Who was attempting to have keyleth vote?

The idea was to play along with the 'oh no they've caught me" joke
I say something key is doing is scummy then then make note 54456 or whichever number it is and vote someone

So your plan was to have Keyleth play along with the joke with a vote?
Keyleth not voting here means nothing, "They're onto me." does not need a vote

I'm fully aware Keyleth not voting here means nothing

[Elements]

I'm fully aware Keyleth not voting here means nothing

How does this relate to,

Keyleth's logbook entry 5446: They're onto me. Act natural add more emojis.

Quote has no relevance

Does anyone else think it's scum indicating when someone isn't voting?

I can try explain it, it won't help with the game though

[Elements]

The aim of 46 was to get Keyleth to vote someone
The quote was relevant
The "quote is not relevant" was to distance from the quoted joke so Keyleth could continue with it if desired
I was implying I was of the opinion that people nit voting is scummy
I do not actually think people not voting is scummy

Hopefully this clears up the post enough that we can move on from an unhelpful discussion about why my brain does things

[Elements]

Bloop

[Elements]

I sorta get it but just to be clear, and to put this to bed. If people not voting during RVS is NOT a scummy thing to you, why did you want to try to get Keyleth to vote someone?

People not voting in RVS is nai
People's votes can be ai
I like wagons on day 1

[Elements]

ping

Got any vibe reads so far?

[Elements]

This speculation is really random and it's hard to imagine you think any of this is likely

It's not that random, but I don't think it's likely.
It popped into my head so i said it
I also got 2 of Kyouko's posts in the wrong order which has change my thoughts on things

[Elements]

Can you explain it?

I'll try remember to get back to you when I'm not mobile posting

[Elements]

Bloop

VOTE: Elements

Care to elaborate?

[Elements]

As a matter of mod style, I keep track of votes that changed between vote counts to help me ensure that all votes are current and have been accounted for. Struck through votes are those that were both cast and removed between the previous vote count and that one. This is something I do for myself to be able to be sure that I maintain accurate

I'm sorry

[Elements]

Anyone want to start a wagon?

VOTE: Duunstral
Voting the miller

If Dunn is a neighbour then I could see the miller claim coming from a traitor
But for now I think Dunn's town

I got dave and Dunn confused
I can VOTE: dunn

@Elements

- When you say you got dave and Dunn confused, how were they confused? Were you meaning to say "But for now I think Dave's town"?

I got confused and thought they were the same slot. Had I not gotten confused I wouldn't have called anyone town in thay post.
I'd already said i thought dave was town in a previous post

[Elements]

Gamma and Black probably town

Gamma has done what so far?

Why not the same amount of puzzlement at both?

I like this
You can be town too, for now

The post you are referring to is in response to me, so thinking we are the same slot would mean your reason for thinking Dave is town does not make sense

I think that us probably where the confusion came from
Your names being right next to each other and so relating to each other in my head. Then when I made the post where I called you town they got mixed up together

[Elements]

I'm really getting grilled for being a scatterbrain this game huh

I don't know if you can tell, but I don't tend to think much before most of my posts. The dunn/dave confusion lasted only during the time I spent replying to 39 up to the point I noticed my mistake

[Elements]

I never thought dave replied to himself

[Elements]

Bloop

[Elements]

Ima have to do one of those step my step explaining what I think happened in my head aren't I

[Elements]

Anyone who is questioning this
Why?
To what end?
What are you hoping to get out of it?

[Elements]

Anyone who is questioning this
Why?
To what end?
What are you hoping to get out of it?

can you answer these first

[Elements]

Anyone want to start a wagon?

VOTE: davesaz
Voting the miller

If dave is a neighbour then I could see the miller claim coming from a traitor
But for now I think dave's town

To be clear I've edited the names, Kawaii did not vote dave.

Elements, is this name-edited post representative
of the state of your mind when you made 39, then you realized on rereading that dave wasnt the miller claim and you decided to vote Dunnstral in 40?

Ya, I think so
It's annoying to wrap your head around because my post makes no sense when you think of dunn and dave as different people

[Elements]

Specifically what I'm trying to comprehend is who did you townread in 39, so I can look back at that player and figure out why you were TRing them at that point. If I cant figure that out I plan to come back to you about it. And if it was Dunnstral you TRed in 39, I'm wondering how you got from TR in 39 to voting him for miller claim in 40

I stated my towning dave in 34
I don't think I have stated a read on dunn except byt mistake in [post[40[/post]

[Elements]

Has it helped you form a read?

[Elements]

Gamma and Black probably town

Gamma has done what so far?

Why not the same amount of puzzlement at both?

I like this
You can be town too, for now

Oh I had the opposite reaction to the Dave post how interesting!

That is fun
What are you thinking
Easy way for scum to look like they're doing something?

[Elements]

Bloop

[Elements]

Bloop

VOTE: Elements

Care to elaborate?

It's a so-far-unsuccessful attempt at behavior modification via negative stimulus.

[Elements]

Gamma you've still got your rvs vote on me, why?

[Elements]

How did I miss the bloop AGAIN!

[Elements]

My towns in no particular order
Gamma Emerald
davesaz
KawaiiKame
ssbm_Kyouko
Black
Hu Tao
TimmerRC

[Elements]

Gamma and Black probably town

Gamma has done what so far?

It's a meta read based partly on mini open 893

Can you explain it?

In 893 I did a meta read on gamma's entry posts and concluded her enterance was more inline with the scum game I skimmed than the games I've played with town!gamma. Gamma's first post didn't feel like that game.

[Elements]

Kyouko was in that game and commented that it was a lazy meta and probably didn't hold much weight

[Elements]

VOTE: Keyleth
are you not a big fan of day 1s?

[Elements]

Gamma and Black probably town

Gamma has done what so far?

Why not the same amount of puzzlement at both?

I like this
You can be town too, for now

...

...I don't recall you answering Dave's question.

Dave hasn't asked me a question?
Unless this is a joke about me getting Dave and Dunn confused in which case I have now

[Elements]

VOTE: Elements

Is this based on the no answering of the question or something else?

[Elements]

No bloop for you

My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

[Elements]

UNVOTE:

Becasue it wasn't working or because you're towning me?
Is there no where else you want to put your vote?

[Elements]

Vote Count 1.5

Elements

(E-6): Black, Elements, davesaz,

Random Nurse

(E-8): Celebloki

davesaz

(E-8): Naerys

Gamma Emerald

(E-8): Andresvmb

Black

(E-8): TimmerRC

KawaiiKame

(E-8): Gamma Emerald,

Naerys

(E-8): Hu Tao

Keyleth

(E-8): Elements

Celebloki

(E-8): ssbm_Kyouko

Guillotina

(E-9):

ssbm_Kyouko

(E-9):

Nono

(E-9):

Dunnstral

(E-9):

Hu Tao

(E-9):

MerelBlackbird

(E-9):

TimmerRC

(E-9):

Andresvmb

(E-9):

Not Voting

: KawaiiKame,
With 17 alive it takes 9 to eject a player from the Game.

Deadline is (expired on 2023-12-07 23:00:00).

Mod Notes: Black is V/LA until Monday, December 4th.

I think you forgot to cross out my vote on myself

[Elements]

My towns in no particular order
Gamma Emerald
davesaz
KawaiiKame
ssbm_Kyouko
Black
Hu Tao
TimmerRC

You actually think most of the active players in the game are Town? You’re only missing Naerys and Dunnstral here.

I don't think "most of the active players are town"
I have town vibes from those players

[Elements]

@Elements, I wasn’t suggesting you’re equating activity with Towniness. I just find it unlikely that everyone on your list, who overlaps quite well with those players that are most active, are actually all Town.

Cool beans

[Elements]

What are the rules for posting multiple times in a row here?

I'd assume there are none unless you're spamming

[Elements]

VOTE: Keyleth
are you not a big fan of day 1s?

I haven't really thought of that question but, I wouldn't say I dislike them! They're a bit chaotic at times, but that has its own charm.

You got any thoughts on any of the players?

[Elements]

When I saw Dunn had already claimed Miller I was briefly inclined not to claim even though before opening the daystart PM I was planning to claim.

I decided against that though, I dont see how hiding it does any good. If it's a traitor game with a Mafia Cop it helps them find the traitor but also makes town wary of a traitor early.

If it's not a traitor game, town cops dont waste investigations and I'll be judged on my day play and not on my claim. I'm more than fine with that outcome.

What is a traitor? Like a mafia that kills mafia?

Mafia that doesn't know mafia and Mafia don't know

[Elements]

Bloop

[Elements]

Look if I'm gonna be the only one talking today I'll just post a big wall post. I remember getting warned here for posting genuine single liners before.

I find the way you're doing it atm significantly easier to read than a wall post

[Elements]

VOTE: Kyouko

[Elements]

VOTE: Kyouko

VOTE: Kyouko

Why did you 2 vote Kyouko?

Is wagon

[Elements]

Which posts?

[Elements]

VOTE: Guillotina

I think there's partner equity in Guillotina/kyouko

Guillotina said she would support a kyouko wagon but jumped off less than 30 minutes later, right after Elements and I joined. I don't think the Celebloki vote was a very good reason to suddenly end their support and having Celebloki at the bottom of their preliminary reads in 310 feels like a performative justification for voting there rather than an actual read

If this is to do with being worried for a partner's safety I disagree. 2 people joining a wagon in a large is barely even pressure, there's no need for Guillotina to move off a partner here

[Elements]

Why even vote for kyouko at all if they're just going to remove it when pressure builds? Especially if they have mixed feelings about them. The pressure could help sort those feelings out. It just reads as performative to me

I don't think Guillotina unvoted because of our votes, I think the vote change was a response to Celebloki's 255
I don't consider 3 votes to be pressure in any way

[Elements]

Sorry, a lot of these posts feel really lost on me as in I'm assuming a lot of it isn't really important to the game? At least, that's the easy way for me to handle what just happened.

A lot of it feels irrelevent
Can you vote someone?

[Elements]

Why even vote for kyouko at all if they're just going to remove it when pressure builds? Especially if they have mixed feelings about them. The pressure could help sort those feelings out. It just reads as performative to me

I don't think Guillotina unvoted because of our votes, I think the vote change was a response to Celebloki's 255
I don't consider 3 votes to be pressure in any way

It isn't much pressure at all but it was building, and then the vote switch immediately diffused it. And yeah if Guillotina is town then that's why they switched votes, I just don't really think they're town. Do you?

I don't have a read there yet
I'm not vibing with their style and don't want that to influence my read so I'm leaving it for the mo

[Elements]

poolb

[Elements]

Sorry, a lot of these posts feel really lost on me as in I'm assuming a lot of it isn't really important to the game? At least, that's the easy way for me to handle what just happened.

A lot of it feels irrelevent
Can you vote someone?

I shall politely decline your request.

Can I ask why?

[Elements]

I've been through Kyouko's iso and there is almost zero game relevent content
192194195
just those three

[Elements]

Why even vote for kyouko at all if they're just going to remove it when pressure builds? Especially if they have mixed feelings about them. The pressure could help sort those feelings out. It just reads as performative to me

I don't think Guillotina unvoted because of our votes, I think the vote change was a response to Celebloki's 255
I don't consider 3 votes to be pressure in any way

It isn't much pressure at all but it was building, and then the vote switch immediately diffused it. And yeah if Guillotina is town then that's why they switched votes, I just don't really think they're town. Do you?

I don't have a read there yet
I'm not vibing with their style and don't want that to influence my read so I'm leaving it for the mo

Why are hard defending and answering for someone that you don't have a read on?

I disagree with your reasoning for voting, so I said why

[Elements]

Sorry, a lot of these posts feel really lost on me as in I'm assuming a lot of it isn't really important to the game? At least, that's the easy way for me to handle what just happened.

A lot of it feels irrelevent
Can you vote someone?

I shall politely decline your request.

Can I ask why?

I don't really feel the desire to vote anyone! Maybe I would vote to help pressure a wagon but it's a bit early for that.

It's never too early to wagon
Wagons are what get the game moving

[Elements]

Why are hard defending and answering for someone that you don't have a read on?

I'm also not hard defending anyone?
Your vote is based on pre-flip assosiatives which is

[Elements]

Why are hard defending and answering for someone that you don't have a read on?

I'm also not hard defending anyone?
Your vote is based on pre-flip assosiatives which is

Ehh, not really. Them trying to look solvey and the shade on Timmer is completely unrelated to kyouko

I guess i put more weight on the first point of 348 becasue it was first and biggest

[Elements]

Elements do you like playing as a wolf? I kinda figured your energy was just overeager town but I guess if you like mafia it could be that too.

Yea I like rolling scum

[Elements]

Elements do you like playing as a wolf? I kinda figured your energy was just overeager town but I guess if you like mafia it could be that too.

Kyouko did a meta dive on me in our last game together here if you're interested

[Elements]

@mod

I'll be v/la on the 4th, 5th, 6th

[Elements]

Also Elements you should reread my ISO up to your 404 and get back to me on your interpretation. You might need to open some of the posts that don't have quotes to see the actual context.

Yeah
I made that post coz I was planning on pushing you get some sort of wagon happening
I don't actually belive what I wrote I was gonna continue with some bs meta points based on our last game but I got bored and didn't continue

[Elements]

VOTE: Quest 2: Electric Brocaloo

[Elements]

I did it purely for the joke

[Elements]

Bloop

[Elements]

VOTE: Celebloki

[Elements]

I don’t fully believe in this but might as well see Loki’s response

This but like, my conviction is lacking ten times as much as gamma's.

Still, wagoning a null early Day 1 is not a horrible idea.

VOTE: Cele

Aren't we like, halfway through the phase?
This is why I don't often join larges, they're so slow and you hardly ever get any proper wagons day 1

[Elements]

Leaning town on ssbm, will support a Celeb push for now.

Are you voting there? If not can you

[Elements]

Who but scum even thinks "I know this guy isnt going to show so I'll vote him in RVS"

If you're doing this as town you can just not vote. This is scum trying to fit in during RVS and now that we're out of it he felt comfortable enough to admit it.

He slipped imo

Fair reason to vote them. Personally I think guli is worse here

We could get an actual wagon going if join us though

[Elements]

We could get an actual wagon going if join us though

I mean, if you, me and Gamma all vote Guillo we can also have an actual wagon. I don't have a read on Cele. I have a conflicted read on Guillo. Sounds like the better option.

VOTE: Guillo

I can VOTE: Guillo

[Elements]

I don't remember what or when Nurse asked me

[Elements]

Bloop

[Elements]

Gamma is feeling very much like Gamma!town

[Elements]

VOTE: Naerys

[Elements]

Bloop

[Elements]

I like Keyleth's playstyle
I can see it being town but also a good way to hide as scum

[Elements]

Spoiler: the preflip summary

Summary

Still pretending I'm an spectator where Guillotina is not me.

Not mafia/mafia

Hu/Guillo
Random Nurse/Guillo
Gamma/Guillo
Timmer/Guillo
Celebloki/Guillo
Black/Guillo
Kawaii/Guillo
Kyo/Guillo
Naerys/Guillo
Kyo/Kawaii
Dunn/Elements
Dave/Elements
Black/Elements
Gamma/Elements
Gamma/Random Nurse
Hu Tao/Timmer

What does this mean?

In a world where my pre-flip associations are 100% accurate (they've never been 100% accurate before, but really close they have).

Guillo

is unaligned with 9 players
Element is unaligned with with 4 Players
Gamma is unaligned 2 Players

This means that if Guillo was scum in this game, He spewed half the game town on Day 1 alone, and it would have been really easy to pinpoint who his teammates were, from the remaining players. Too bad Guillo is town, though.

This also means that if any of those 9 are scum, Guillo is spewed town from them
Counterpoint to that would be, Guillo did some premium distancing, but I'm hopeful that if any of them flip scum, Guillo would have helped town to prove his worth and loyalty besides this spew.

Elements

flipping scum would spew Dunn, Dave, Black and Gamma town.

Gamma

flipping scum would hard spew Elements and Random Nurse town.

Timmer

flipping scum would clear

Hu

and Vice versa.

Conclusion

Guillo being unaligned with 9 players out of 16 makes him thread spew town or the best infoyeet of 2023 if the majority of players here suspect him that much.

Elements would clear a whooping total of 4 players town, so if these two were scum together, the game would be pretty much on auto mode.

I can confirm that Guillo is not scum, so we are not living in a perfect world where town auto this shit.

Hopefully this injects my thoughts and process in the thread and I have helped you determine whether I deserve the sussuspicion I've gotten so far or not, as well as some insights about the interactions between some of the players.
If you have questions or concerns about this post or my previous posts, let me know.
Hopefully when I come back I'll have more info to analyze, but for now, good night.

VOTE: Celebloki

What I'm reading here is that you're potentially the highest Information flip

[Elements]

I like Keyleth's playstyle
I can see it being town but also a good way to hide as scum

Isn't that a bad thing? Why would you like a style that lets scum hide?

I can appreciate the desire to keep one's reads close to the chest

[Elements]

VOTE: Naerys

Do you have any valid reason or are you just sheeping Hu?

I'm just joining anything that might make it to e-2

[Elements]

Anyone here have useful information on the Scum version of Gamma Emerald?

As is I slightly Townread the slot based on gutvibes.

It has two recently completed scum games

[Elements]

Anyone here have useful information on the Scum version of Gamma Emerald?

As is I slightly Townread the slot based on gutvibes.

Open 891
Mini open 893

[Elements]

I'll tell you what I said in 893
When Gamma replaced into 891 the entrance posts were very "look at me! I'm here!" Which I thought had similar vibes to her first few posts in 983
I don't think that is the case this game
Gamma is also feeling kinda spikey this game which is how town Gamma is

[Elements]

You could have not done that and let me just get the natural. Plus is Elements even here rn?

I'm semi reading semi building set for panto

[Elements]

I would like to propose a plan:

Every person list 2-4 people they are sure are town with higher than 90% certainty.

Then we make a pool of 4-5 people who never get voted today.

Then we just wagon a random person who's not in the pool, and repeat the same tomorrow. If the reads are accurate, that gives 33% chance to hit scum each day, or about 60% chance to to succeed on either.

My 2 are Gamma and Nurse btw.

I'll play
CSF and Gamma

[Elements]

Bloop

[Elements]

Brocoli can be town too

[Elements]

Playerlist:
Gamma Emerald
Celebloki
Naerys
Guillotina
Keyleth
TimmerRC
Elements

Posting this for myself to look up later. List of people I have suspicions on for one reason or another.

Towny

Really?

[Elements]

I would like to propose a plan:

Every person list 2-4 people they are sure are town with higher than 90% certainty.

Then we make a pool of 4-5 people who never get voted today.

Then we just wagon a random person who's not in the pool, and repeat the same tomorrow. If the reads are accurate, that gives 33% chance to hit scum each day, or about 60% chance to to succeed on either.

My 2 are Gamma and Nurse btw.

Add Kyouko to my list

[Elements]

VOTE: Hu Tao

[Elements]

I would like to propose a plan:

Every person list 2-4 people they are sure are town with higher than 90% certainty.

Then we make a pool of 4-5 people who never get voted today.

Then we just wagon a random person who's not in the pool, and repeat the same tomorrow. If the reads are accurate, that gives 33% chance to hit scum each day, or about 60% chance to to succeed on either.

My 2 are Gamma and Nurse btw.

Add Kyouko to my list

So big post = town to you? No shot you actually read that in under a minute

Big post that looks like lots of effort has gone into it

[Elements]

But you are correct, I didn't read any of it

[Elements]

Bloop

[Elements]

@Black + Gamma

Part of my SR on Hu Tao is based on the game that just finished.

That said, I should really sleep now.

I was going to mention that soon if no one else did.

Have we considered that the similarities are a result of both games running at the same time so when Hu posts she's in a similar mindset between them? So not really ai?

[Elements]

VOTE: kyouko

[Elements]

VOTE: kyouko

NAI

Correct

[Elements]

I'm torn between trusting kyouko and voting Gamma and trusting Gamma and voting Keyleth

Someone help

I'm Tring Gamma so I say trust gamma

[Elements]

VOTE: black

[Elements]

VOTE: black

If you're town then you're trolling. A vanity wagon on me does no good this close to the deadline, especially if you're not going to make a case and try to convince others to wagon with you

I'm just telling my thoughts through voting
I'll be floating till the deadline so can easily move it

[Elements]

I also think kyouko is flipping town

[Elements]

We've had 1 wagon today
I too am disappointed

[Elements]

VOTE: Celebloki

[Elements]

I don't want any of the current wagons, that's fun

[Elements]

I don't want any of the current wagons, that's fun

Willing to wagon you too

Another town wagon

[Elements]

Key feel like vibing town

[Elements]

What should I do guys? I have nothijg to do

Start a flash wagon on black

[Elements]

I don't think Elements is solving but I don't think we get much info out of an Elements flip*

Yea, I haven't had a chance to properly read what's happened since I went on v/la. My chime in with reads are very much vibe reads from skimming.

[Elements]

Ye I'm floating still if/when I need to move my vote

[Elements]

VOTE: kawaii

[Elements]

I feel like Gamma often gets accused of being worried about optics

[Elements]

Vc

You could have a pagetop one...

[Elements]

VOTE: Elements
Let's listen to me today

or
we could not?

[Elements]

Oh wait I understand. Black did the first one. Protected gamma and they both died.

This is complete nonsense. Gamma wouldn't be targeted by her own team.

first one being the babysit

[Elements]

Actually Guillo and Nurse are also town off of Gamma's flip.

These surface reads will totally not backfire later

I think dunn is too

[Elements]

VOTE: Hu Tao

[Elements]

VOTE: Hu Tao

This is certain scum

Nah, it's a lazy you voted me so I'm voting you

[Elements]

Naerys it pains me to say this but I agree with Hu Tao that your read is rubbish.

Pedit: Gamma is a her btw.

Additionally, Elements you should probably unvote HT if you are town.

Yeah I should
UNVOTE:

[Elements]

I know no one is gonna believe this. But I wouldn't have n1'd black here. I did that last game and I think it wouldn't be fair to do the same here. Unless she claimed pr or something, I'd like to play with her actually

I believe that more than the "Hu Tao has fakeclaimed as town before so that's townie of them"

[Elements]

I still think Elements is tied with gamma as I showed from early game. So I prefer that. It's possible that Cele could be town but not sure why they would soft doc as a cop.

Where did you show I was tied with Gamma?

[Elements]

Is that it?

[Elements]

My towns in no particular order
Gamma Emerald
davesaz
KawaiiKame
ssbm_Kyouko
Black
Hu Tao
TimmerRC

When elements flips scum this should be an interesting list

What about when I flip town?

[Elements]

Is that it?

No:

VOTE: Elements

Gamma and Black probably town

Gamma and Black probably town

Gamma has done what so far?

It's a meta read based partly on mini open 893

Does anyone else think it's scum indicating when someone isn't voting?

I’ve seen that suggested but never exactly understood the logic of it

VOTE: Kyouko

VOTE: Kyouko

Why did you 2 vote Kyouko?

VOTE: Kyouko

VOTE: Kyouko

Why did you 2 vote Kyouko?

Is wagon

bleagh

All of the above feels like distancing.

Also you repeatedly TR'd Gamma yesterday without ever making a real interaction with her slot, which is kinda weird tbh.

Yea this doesn't look good for me
I was just wrongly confident in my Gamma read
I'm vt btw

[Elements]

Dave do you know how babysitter works?

[Elements]

What's wrong with it?

[Elements]

Can only use one per night

[Elements]

There, I am caught up.

Now can we stop wagoning HT and start wagoning Elements who's been lurking since they've been caught?

Can't be caught if I'm not red team

[Elements]

Who is?

That is the game, yes

[Elements]

Spoiler: Andresvmb's reads

I got through #909. Through there, I have the game something like this:

Town
{Black, KawaiiKame}
Strong Lean Town
{Celebloki}
Lean Town
{TimmerRC, Dunnstral [Miller Claim], ‪Cat scratch fever, ‬Guillotina}
Slight Lean Town
{ssbm_Kyouko [Miller Claim], Broccoli Quest 2, Random Nurse, Naerys}
Uncertain
{Hu Tao}
Slight Lean Scum
{davesaz}
Lean Scum
{Elements, Keyleth}
Scum
{Gamma Emerald}

These all feel

very

safe

[Elements]

Broccoli Quest 2 - I get a TMI vibe. Can't really point to anything specific without more flips

I'm also getting some red feels from Broccoli

[Elements]

I'd still prefer elements

[Elements]

I very much dislike all the posts where someone is saying "x is spewed by gamma"
seems like a very good way to lose

[Elements]

Elements feels too active and invested

This is such a wild take

[Elements]

@Kyouko, check my notes. I think there’s a lot of associations between Elements and Gamma.

What do you make of Guillotina's reasoning about me and Gamma not being red team together?

[Elements]

I'd prefer Roden/Elements > Dave > Timmer toDay. Won't vote Hu Tao, I think that's what scum wanted for toDay and I'm not going to join that wagon even in deadline

Can you please stop having 95% identical thoughts to me?

/playful

Broccoli pocketing kyouko

[Elements]

Green and Hu are red team, green is pushing to lim you into me for two mislims

[Elements]

Green and Hu are red team, green is pushing to lim you into me for two mislims

I am not even advocating for your lim right now, what are you talking about

In fact I might even have a tiny townlean on you

Considering you didn't immediately vote out Hu Tao for fake claiming Doctor, it's pretty obvious that isn't true.

Do you realize I am the only one who continued to vote Hu Tao after she claimed doc?

Then ur TRing hu tao makes even less sense

As I said, I never believed her doc claim. I always believed her VT claim. I am TRing her as a VT, not as a doc.

Limming elements and copping roden still solves this

Why not limming Roden and copping Elements? Is Roden your scum partner?

What?!
When and why are you maybe town leaning me?
What have I done since the start of the day?

[Elements]

Elements feels too active and invested

This is such a wild take

Here

And that was enough to overhaul the large list of quotes linking me to Gamma?

[Elements]

Wooo! Enchant!

[Elements]

VOTE: roden

[Elements]

Green and Hu are red team, green is pushing to lim you into me for two mislims

Is there actually 2 scum teams?

I meant Broccoli, but I said Green coz the posts are green
At least I think that's what I meant

[Elements]

or strongman

[Elements]

Green and Hu are red team, green is pushing to lim you into me for two mislims

Hmmm.

yeah, unsurprisingly I take that back

[Elements]

VOTE: andres

[Elements]

VOTE: enchant

[Elements]

I'll be so far up your ass I'll be nipping your uvula.

This is amazingly funny

[Elements]

maybe Elements if they spectate after dying in that recently completed 9:12 Open game

I didn't die in 9:12 so I'm assuming you mean someone else?

[Elements]

I should probably claim my role too at this point as I'm also a not VT

[Elements]

I'm a town flagbearer

[Elements]

A lie

[Elements]

VOTE: timmer

[Elements]

USE DAMN PRS EVEN IF THEY SUCK

literally
nothing will happen if you don't do anything
something might if you do
you lose nothing by doing it but could gain stuff

[Elements]

Kyouko, please can you spoiler your quotes thanks x

[Elements]

this game very much feels like it's happening

to

me

[Elements]

this game very much feels like it's happening

to

me

That's probably how scum feel rn

Are you scum?

still no

[Elements]

VOTE: TimmerRC

This should be E-2 if I kept track right earlier and I'm remembering correctly now

atp we should just lim timmer and move on, I don't see anyone changing any of thier thoughts

[Elements]

I think Timmer isn't hammered btw so please somebody unvote

Why, what changed?

[Elements]

And Timmer + another VT makes town way too OP and also feels way too easy to be real

I'm another vt claim so the same logic applies yet you're voting me?

[Elements]

Elemenets who do you think the other scum is, assuming one is Timmer? (whom you are voting)

Ngl, I couldn't tell you all the current living players

[Elements]

I'm not voting you as a Timmer teammate

But you got a point

UNVOTE:

I meant it as

And Elements + another VT makes town way too OP and also feels way too easy to be real

[Elements]

I think this day is getting a bit stale. So you all decide on TimmerRC but are now having second thoughts? We could get rid of the player that’s very likely Scum in Elements, you know. Anyway, I’m probably back tonight and I’ll have some time to read I hope (finally), but I’m happy to hammer one of {Elements, Enchant} if that’s what we’re doing.

Ah yes, me the very likely scum

[Elements]

VOTE: elements
i feel that if I'm not voted now I'll be voted later when mislims are more damaging

[Elements]

I very much dislike all the posts where someone is saying "x is spewed by gamma"
seems like a very good way to lose

@Kyouko, check my notes. I think there’s a lot of associations between Elements and Gamma.

What do you make of Guillotina's reasoning about me and Gamma not being red team together?

Hmm

what is the point of this?

[Elements]

Spewed implies cut and dry "these people are unaligned"
Asking someone who has looked at associatives and decided I'm partnered with someone to look at someone else's thoughts showing associatives that imply I'm not aligned with said player is entirely different

[Elements]

Oh

[Elements]

[Elements]

Nurse and Broccoli can you hammer elements so we can end day

^

[Elements]

UNVOTE:
Ahaha
Now you need two!

[Elements]

Elly are you town?

yes

[Elements]

Elly are you town?

But the gamestate is very dead and will presumably continue to be the same at the very least until the 27th at which point people will start dribbling back having just had a break, not fully sure what's going on anymore.
If you vote me there will be (probably) at least 2 flips, me and night kill/s, which is new information for people to engage with when they come back. Which I assume would be more exciting to people than a continually stale game state

[Elements]

Nurse and Broccoli can you hammer elements so we can end day

Why is Elements even being voted in the first place?

Because I'm "very likely scum"

[Elements]

Nurse and Broccoli can you hammer elements so we can end day

Why is Elements even being voted in the first place?

Because I'm "very likely scum"

Based on?

Idk

[Elements]

Nurse and Broccoli can you hammer elements so we can end day

Why is Elements even being voted in the first place?

Because I'm "very likely scum"

Based on?

You'll have to ask Hu, I think something to do with my day townread on gamma

[Elements]

VOTE: Elements

[Elements]

Bloop