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Hu Tao · Post Post #15 (isolation #1) » Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:13 am

Zoobooks are so cute

Hu Tao · Post Post #19 (isolation #2) » Fri Dec 08, 2023 12:40 pm

In post 18, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 10, Hu Tao wrote:Hi.

In post 15, Hu Tao wrote: Zoobooks are so cute
Where's your vote?

Why do I need to vote someone, RVS Police Officer Dunnstral?

Hu Tao · Post Post #21 (isolation #3) » Fri Dec 08, 2023 12:47 pm

Thank you officer for doing your research.

Hu Tao · Post Post #27 (isolation #4) » Fri Dec 08, 2023 12:56 pm

In post 22, AnimatedWiz wrote: I would also like to introduce the notion that, uh, with Hu Tao you can’t assume a perceived lack of content is a lack of innocence—made that mistake last game and ended up losing as a result.

It's 1 page in.

Hu Tao · Post Post #28 (isolation #5) » Fri Dec 08, 2023 12:57 pm

In post 23, Thomith wrote:
In post 18, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 10, Hu Tao wrote:Hi.

In post 15, Hu Tao wrote: Zoobooks are so cute
Where's your vote?
Why did you ask Hu Tao where their vote was but not gob, who also didn't vote?

Good question!

Hu Tao · Post Post #29 (isolation #6) » Fri Dec 08, 2023 12:57 pm

In post 24, gob wrote: I honestly don't care about art anymore. I find all movies, tv, games, anime, manga, books, etc. to be uninteresting.

I've never loved art as much as others.

Art is beautiful but it's not for everyone

Hu Tao · Post Post #30 (isolation #7) » Fri Dec 08, 2023 12:58 pm

In post 26, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 23, Thomith wrote:
In post 18, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 10, Hu Tao wrote:Hi.

In post 15, Hu Tao wrote: Zoobooks are so cute
Where's your vote?
Why did you ask Hu Tao where their vote was but not gob, who also didn't vote?
I did not notice.

Why so focused on me then? Something in particular that I did?

Hu Tao · Post Post #62 (isolation #8) » Fri Dec 08, 2023 5:02 pm

Hi Flavor

Hu Tao · Post Post #78 (isolation #9) » Sat Dec 09, 2023 4:34 am

In post 70, RCEnigma wrote: I would suggest finding thomith and bingle as town though.

This seems a bit easy of townreads

Hu Tao · Post Post #79 (isolation #10) » Sat Dec 09, 2023 4:35 am

Scum probably wouldn't make that post though

Hu Tao · Post Post #81 (isolation #11) » Sat Dec 09, 2023 4:38 am

In post 80, Thomith wrote:
In post 78, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 70, RCEnigma wrote: I would suggest finding thomith and bingle as town though.
This seems a bit easy of townreads
What do you mean?

I don't see anything worth a town read even after their explanation

Hu Tao · Post Post #88 (isolation #12) » Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:59 am

In post 83, Bingle wrote:
In post 81, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 80, Thomith wrote:
In post 78, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 70, RCEnigma wrote: I would suggest finding thomith and bingle as town though.
This seems a bit easy of townreads
What do you mean?
I don't see anything worth a town read even after their explanation
How dare you? I am the towniest town that ever towned, and to say anything else is a personal attack on my character.

Why don't you think scumRCE would post early townreads?

It's nothing to do with them in particular. Just in general seems bold of scum to do

Hu Tao · Post Post #95 (isolation #13) » Sat Dec 09, 2023 4:56 pm

In post 85, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 67, Thomith wrote:
In post 26, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 23, Thomith wrote:
In post 18, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 10, Hu Tao wrote:Hi.

In post 15, Hu Tao wrote: Zoobooks are so cute
Where's your vote?
Why did you ask Hu Tao where their vote was but not gob, who also didn't vote?
I did not notice.
Fair enough.

You didn't vote either though.
If you want a more solid answer, this back and forth with Dunn is a town process.

Holding Dunn accountable for applying the same standard across multiple slots is a lot more likely to come from town trying to discern the intention behind an action than scum. Could scum fake it? Maybe I guess, it would probably feel more pointed however.

Bingle is more a vibe read for being willing to play into my bs. I like that kind of thing.

Instead of just shrugging me off and going, wow that scummy behavior is pretty scummy.

Since that’s kinda the point.

Speaking of I have some detrimental posting to get back to.

I agree with this. Both of you town (RCE and Thom) so far in my eyes

Hu Tao · Post Post #115 (isolation #14) » Sat Dec 09, 2023 8:29 pm

In post 98, Flavor Leaf wrote: Hu Tao pinging me a little, but really got no reason as to why

It’s not soul read yet, though, so might mean townTaoTuesdays, but not ready to say that yet either

They’re gonna kill me if they’re scum, though, anyways so it’ll be a ta ta for now for me

Hu Tao · Post Post #116 (isolation #15) » Sat Dec 09, 2023 8:31 pm

In post 112, RCEnigma wrote: No thoughts on bingle hu Tao?

My thoughts on bingle? I don't have any really

Hu Tao · Post Post #130 (isolation #16) » Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:05 am

In post 119, Thomith wrote: I mean I guess he could do it as scum, but his start to this game seemed pretty much identical to that town game (both with the statement to gather reactions that i mentioned, and the following posts), which is why I had a light town read for now.

In that same game, Kyouko seemed much more engaged early on than she is currently, but tbh that could just be because she is busy or something, so NAI for now, but will be interested in her first few content posts to help me make a choice there.

Dunn is pinging me because of how he questioned Hu Tao's lack of a vote, but not gobs, and also not voting himself, but again that's a small thing.

Hu Tao pocketed me in our last game and I'm a paranoid person so I'm struggling to get a read right now , that should go as the day progresses though hopefully. Slight scum pings, but again I feel like this might just be me being paranoid.

RCE and Flavor Leaf have me leaning town at the moment, but that's mainly a gut read combined with their posts seemed to be attempting to progress a kinda slow game.

After I said nothing with tr for I said scum likely wouldn't do that

Hu Tao · Post Post #133 (isolation #17) » Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:12 am

In post 131, gob wrote: Hu Tao could definitely be wolfing here.

I could be. But why?

Hu Tao · Post Post #136 (isolation #18) » Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:22 am

In post 134, gob wrote:
In post 132, Thomith wrote:
In post 129, gob wrote: VOTE: Flavor Leaf Bad arguments
Why are they bad?
Flavor admitted the arguments were bad
In post 133, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 131, gob wrote: Hu Tao could definitely be wolfing here.
I could be. But why?
PoE + obvious

Hu Tao · Post Post #148 (isolation #19) » Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:22 am

In post 137, gob wrote:
In post 136, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 134, gob wrote:
In post 132, Thomith wrote:
In post 129, gob wrote: VOTE: Flavor Leaf Bad arguments
Why are they bad?
Flavor admitted the arguments were bad
In post 133, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 131, gob wrote: Hu Tao could definitely be wolfing here.
I could be. But why?
PoE + obvious

Not a defense. Also didn't you do this exact same thing as scum? The response?

I didn't know emojis were scummy

Hu Tao · Post Post #149 (isolation #20) » Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:22 am

In post 138, Naerys wrote:
In post 137, gob wrote:
In post 136, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 134, gob wrote:
In post 132, Thomith wrote:
In post 129, gob wrote: VOTE: Flavor Leaf Bad arguments
Why are they bad?
Flavor admitted the arguments were bad
In post 133, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 131, gob wrote: Hu Tao could definitely be wolfing here.
I could be. But why?
PoE + obvious

Not a defense. Also didn't you do this exact same thing as scum? The response?
are u distancing from your buddy this early?

How did you know

Hu Tao · Post Post #150 (isolation #21) » Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:24 am

My only reads still are rce and Thom town. Anyone have any strong scumread so far?

Hu Tao · Post Post #161 (isolation #22) » Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:00 am

Thom I just like your questions and vibes seem similar to last game

Hu Tao · Post Post #163 (isolation #23) » Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:02 am

Yes. You caught me

Hu Tao · Post Post #185 (isolation #24) » Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:31 pm

In post 166, gob wrote: Gotta get rid of Bingle here

Think you meant to post that in your PT

Hu Tao · Post Post #250 (isolation #25) » Mon Dec 11, 2023 6:58 am

I like kyouko so far, but I always town read them.

Hu Tao · Post Post #278 (isolation #26) » Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:35 am

First time in awhile I'm having a hard time finding someone to scum read.

Hu Tao · Post Post #287 (isolation #27) » Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:53 am

VOTE: wiz

I'll go here for now

Hu Tao · Post Post #288 (isolation #28) » Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:54 am

Sure cakez could be scum but he's had 2 posts. Hard to tell.

Hu Tao · Post Post #292 (isolation #29) » Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:56 am

Why is wiz town?

Hu Tao · Post Post #355 (isolation #30) » Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:18 am

Ummmm. I'm not sure what to think here

Hu Tao · Post Post #382 (isolation #31) » Tue Dec 12, 2023 12:34 pm

In post 380, SirCakez wrote: I swear I'll be here tonight

I'm holding you to this

Hu Tao · Post Post #405 (isolation #32) » Tue Dec 12, 2023 4:15 pm

In post 401, Flavor Leaf wrote: Also, i think it's kind of a giveaway there is scum in at least one of Gob or Kyouku because people are trying to add pressure onto Roden, Flavor, Bingle, and if there's any combination of that group of 3 as scum, and we go after Gob, lol.

I guess Roden/Bingle sheep me, but theyre taking heat from places too, so not the best. And like, Gob isn't the best flip for scum right now if Gob is town.

Just all around I'm feeling good about Bingle and Roden right now. We seem to be up on that Gob stage all taking individual heat, and I think that says something.

I also feel people like Thomthin and Wiz are two townies in the crowd with some scumms and taking residual heat (more Wiz than Thomthin on that)

Hu Tao I've got my eye on. if there's a deepwolf, it's them.

I've literally done nothing. How am I the deep wolf

Hu Tao · Post Post #511 (isolation #33) » Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:35 pm

Having Thom in that list invalidates everything. He's clearly town.

Hu Tao · Post Post #517 (isolation #34) » Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:00 pm

In post 513, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 511, Hu Tao wrote: Having Thom in that list invalidates everything. He's clearly town.
do you have a deeper read on Kyo than you had earlier yet?

Curious on your take on Cakez.

For once I don't hard tr her. So I'm not sure, but I've never seen her as scum before.

Cakes always looks scummy to me. So I can't say

Hu Tao · Post Post #640 (isolation #35) » Thu Dec 14, 2023 10:51 am

In post 637, Thomith wrote: A Gob flip might give us the most information no matter if he flips green or red right now if I think about it due to the last few pages.

I will vote for whoever you vote for

Hu Tao · Post Post #666 (isolation #36) » Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:38 am

In post 646, Roden wrote: I have an idea of who's bussing if Gob does flip red here, but it depends on the NK tonight.

Hu Tao · Post Post #667 (isolation #37) » Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:39 am

In post 656, gob wrote: Hu Tao - seems good to me
ssbm_kyouko - lim this slot sometime
Dunnstral - could be maf
abundantly - could be maf
Flavor Leaf - could be maf
Bingle - could be maf
Roden - seems good to me
AnimatedWiz - seems good to me
RCEnigma - seems good to me
SirCakez - could be maf
Thomith - seems good to me
Naerys - seems good to me

I have been trying something. The less I do. The more town read I am every game. This seems to be my new strategy

Hu Tao · Post Post #671 (isolation #38) » Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:01 pm

In post 669, Flavor Leaf wrote: i relooked over Thomith, and I dont think that them and Gob are Scum/Scum ever. I think I'm happy bringing Thomith back up to top townsville.

Thom was never scummy

Hu Tao · Post Post #672 (isolation #39) » Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:01 pm

If I was vig tonight I would consider FL. Depending on how today goes.

Not that I am or anything.

Hu Tao · Post Post #679 (isolation #40) » Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:06 pm

In post 668, gob wrote:
In post 667, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 656, gob wrote: Hu Tao - seems good to me
ssbm_kyouko - lim this slot sometime
Dunnstral - could be maf
abundantly - could be maf
Flavor Leaf - could be maf
Bingle - could be maf
Roden - seems good to me
AnimatedWiz - seems good to me
RCEnigma - seems good to me
SirCakez - could be maf
Thomith - seems good to me
Naerys - seems good to me
I have been trying something. The less I do. The more town read I am every game. This seems to be my new strategy
Well right now you need to save me, that's the most towny thing you could do right now.

Anyway the main reason I tr'd you is because you seem more in line with your town game plus you wouldn't be a good lim Day 1 anyways.

I believe you. Let's go wiz

VOTE: wiz

Hu Tao · Post Post #692 (isolation #41) » Thu Dec 14, 2023 1:45 pm

In post 687, Flavor Leaf wrote:
Celebloki
Thomith
Naerys

RCEnigma
Roden
Gob
AnimatedWiz

ssbm_kyouko
Dunnstral
Bingle
SirCakez

Hu Tao

Bout where I'm at. I think there's probably 1 scum in my top 2 tiers, and then 2 scum in my bottom 3. This is more doing pools rather than a tier list, like for instance, I can make a Bingle/Kyouko town case, but I am paranoid of Bingle. Like I have a hard time seeing Kyouko make that case on Gob as scum, however, the Kyouko/Hu Tao on AnimatedWiz earlier is hard to not see it as potential partner, however, this goes in Hu Tao favor if scum Tao/kyouko town.

you actually fell for the bait.

VOTE: FL

Hu Tao · Post Post #696 (isolation #42) » Thu Dec 14, 2023 1:52 pm

Actually let's go here VOTE: Cakez

I'll give FL a day.

Hu Tao · Post Post #702 (isolation #43) » Thu Dec 14, 2023 1:54 pm

Yes you caught me

Hu Tao · Post Post #705 (isolation #44) » Thu Dec 14, 2023 1:55 pm

Hu Tao · Post Post #711 (isolation #45) » Thu Dec 14, 2023 2:00 pm

In post 706, Roden wrote:
In post 681, Flavor Leaf wrote: @Roden/Bingle - thoughts on sheeping Hu Tao onto Wiz today?
I'd rather vote Hu Tao or Gob, it feels like they're trying to muddle up the game and discredit active voices.

Who am I discrediting?

Hu Tao · Post Post #714 (isolation #46) » Thu Dec 14, 2023 2:00 pm

In post 707, gob wrote:
In post 696, Hu Tao wrote: Actually let's go here VOTE: Cakez

I'll give FL a day.
This makes me think you and FL are partners, actually. Cakez is good and has lots of heat against him, but he hasn't done enough. Flavor is pretty blatantly scummy and this bluff right now isn't convincing me otherwise.

Problem is, I've seen FL act like this as town before. So he could be town here. And I don't think you're scum here either.

Hu Tao · Post Post #715 (isolation #47) » Thu Dec 14, 2023 2:02 pm

See what I mean? Once I started talking, people started scumreading me. I've learned the new meta.

Hu Tao · Post Post #719 (isolation #48) » Thu Dec 14, 2023 2:05 pm

In post 716, gob wrote:
In post 714, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 707, gob wrote:
In post 696, Hu Tao wrote: Actually let's go here VOTE: Cakez

I'll give FL a day.
This makes me think you and FL are partners, actually. Cakez is good and has lots of heat against him, but he hasn't done enough. Flavor is pretty blatantly scummy and this bluff right now isn't convincing me otherwise.
Problem is, I've seen FL act like this as town before. So he could be town here. And I don't think you're scum here either.
I was mafia and Flavor was traitor and this type of stuff was exactly what they did. Huge posts calling out people and basically crafting an entire narrative. In that game I encouraged it.

No. I scumread flavor that game. This is different imo

Hu Tao · Post Post #723 (isolation #49) » Thu Dec 14, 2023 2:07 pm

In post 720, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 715, Hu Tao wrote: See what I mean? Once I started talking, people started scumreading me. I've learned the new meta.
I clearly scum read you before, though

But you chose war!

But I’m also not pushing to fade you here.

I'm not either. Why don't you want cakes?

Hu Tao · Post Post #747 (isolation #50) » Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:14 pm

Can you both stop arguing and vote cakes

Hu Tao · Post Post #785 (isolation #51) » Thu Dec 14, 2023 6:46 pm

In post 771, Bingle wrote:
In post 747, Hu Tao wrote: Can you both stop arguing and vote cakes
You think this is arguing? Hell, they're basically flirting.

Hu Tao · Post Post #786 (isolation #52) » Thu Dec 14, 2023 6:48 pm

I think gob is town here. Usually gob is very scummy when scummy. I don't get that vibe here. I think I'd be okay with roden or dunn

Hu Tao · Post Post #802 (isolation #53) » Fri Dec 15, 2023 8:34 am

In post 788, Flavor Leaf wrote: Tinfoil of Roden Hu Tao

Nope

Hu Tao · Post Post #803 (isolation #54) » Fri Dec 15, 2023 8:35 am

I think you're town but I'm here to hammer if needed

Hu Tao · Post Post #804 (isolation #55) » Fri Dec 15, 2023 8:35 am

Did you claim already

Hu Tao · Post Post #830 (isolation #56) » Sun Dec 17, 2023 6:03 pm

Interesting night kill?

Hu Tao · Post Post #831 (isolation #57) » Sun Dec 17, 2023 6:04 pm

Oh did she claim doc?

Hu Tao · Post Post #836 (isolation #58) » Sun Dec 17, 2023 6:09 pm

In post 832, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 830, Hu Tao wrote: Interesting night kill?
lol

VOTE: Hu Tao

Why am I scum again?

Hu Tao · Post Post #848 (isolation #59) » Sun Dec 17, 2023 7:06 pm

In post 842, Flavor Leaf wrote: @Hu Tao - do you know you’re MBTI?

INFJ. How come?

Hu Tao · Post Post #849 (isolation #60) » Sun Dec 17, 2023 7:07 pm

In post 840, AnimatedWiz wrote: I mean, to be quite honest, I don’t have a strong towncase for them—I tend to read Hu Tao quite scummy rather consistently, even if they’ve always been town in our games together. It’s the lack of explanation that always makes me hesitant, I feel.

I’ll have to dig back through your ISO and read your case on Hu Tao to refamiliarize myself with it, but I’m happy to team up on Dunn for now considering how he’s been even less explanatory about everything (especially his votes).

Fair. But what do you think of how I handled gob yesterday?

Hu Tao · Post Post #851 (isolation #61) » Sun Dec 17, 2023 7:16 pm

I still think gob was fairly town. When hes scum he's just scummy. But it's hard to explain.

Hu Tao · Post Post #853 (isolation #62) » Sun Dec 17, 2023 7:36 pm

How come?

Hu Tao · Post Post #887 (isolation #63) » Mon Dec 18, 2023 6:13 am

In post 854, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 848, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 842, Flavor Leaf wrote: @Hu Tao - do you know you’re MBTI?
INFJ. How come?
I had a reason, but forgot it in the grammar debacle.

I’m ENFJ.

Ooo. Yeah I can see that

Hu Tao · Post Post #888 (isolation #64) » Mon Dec 18, 2023 6:22 am

In post 861, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 858, Dunnstral wrote: They feel manipulative. Going after Gob yesterday and pushing Bingle and I today.
I feel I’m pushing Hu Tao more than Bingle here. Me being alive makes Bingle town more likely after their setup yesterday.

Still not sure why I'm being scum read by you. Can you explain?

Hu Tao · Post Post #889 (isolation #65) » Mon Dec 18, 2023 6:26 am

In post 869, Flavor Leaf wrote: End of day

gob
(7): Roden,
ssbm_kyouko
, AnimatedWiz, Naerys, Flavor Leaf, RCEnigma, Dunnstral
SirCakez (2): Thomith, Hu Tao
RCEnigma (1): SirCakez
ssbm_kyouko (1): Celebloki
Flavor Leaf (1):
gob

Roden (1): Bingle

Who was the counterwagon? Cakez? I think Wiz was the main counterwagon of Day 1.

1.05

gob
(4): SirCakez, Bingle, Roden, Flavor Leaf
AnimatedWiz (3):
ssbm_kyouko
, Hu Tao, Dunnstral
Flavor Leaf (1):
gob

Hu Tao (1): Naerys
RCEnigma (1): RCEnigma
Dunnstral (1): Thomith

ssbm_kyouko
(1): AnimatedWiz

Not voting (1): Celebloki

Roden and I being on Gob for both of these, Roden never leaving, is pretty townie for them, imo. Like, I just don't see the purpose of going for Gob that way as scum. I won't use that defense for me, but there were much better pushes. It's confirmed to have been a lhf fade. The AnimatedWiz wagon looks bad here. It's a 'there's scum on the wagon, or Wiz is scum' kinda thing.

Gob wagon can have scum or not, i think Gob's the type that scum would for sure just let town try to misfade, which is why I think it's not impossible for either 1.05 or end of day to be all town.

That being said, I think there's only 1 max scum on Gob in 1.05. If there are 2, it doesn't make a lot of sense here that Gob wagon stayed as the main one, even after Bingle/Cakez moved away. And I already explained why it's kinda weird for Roden (and myself, but I digress) to stay on Gob that way.

Also, why is Cakez on RCEnigma over me?

End of day wagon has 1 scum in Dunnstral or Naerys, or no scum at all. I'm already town reading Naerys, but for completionist's sake. RCEnigma, idk, i just dont see this as scum.

Thomith and Hu Tao on SirCakez means there's likely at least a scum in that section, and the fact that overlaps with the Wiz one, I really do think we're living in a Hu Tao Scum world.

Hu Tao, Dunnstral, Cakez is my solve right now.

Sure. Let's vote cakez or Dunn. I'm fine with either you want

Hu Tao · Post Post #890 (isolation #66) » Mon Dec 18, 2023 6:28 am

In post 876, Bingle wrote: TBC, I’m townleaning both Dunn and cakez.

What? How and why?

Hu Tao · Post Post #897 (isolation #67) » Mon Dec 18, 2023 8:28 am

You don't think that could be open wolfing?

Hu Tao · Post Post #899 (isolation #68) » Mon Dec 18, 2023 9:15 am

I didn't think she would be the night kill

Hu Tao · Post Post #906 (isolation #69) » Mon Dec 18, 2023 10:02 am

In post 900, Roden wrote: I think I trust Hu Tao

That's a first. Why?

Hu Tao · Post Post #907 (isolation #70) » Mon Dec 18, 2023 10:03 am

Nevermind you explained.

Hu Tao · Post Post #908 (isolation #71) » Mon Dec 18, 2023 10:04 am

Thom who do you scumread the most today?

Hu Tao · Post Post #910 (isolation #72) » Mon Dec 18, 2023 10:33 am

I'm okay with voting there VOTE: Dunn

Hu Tao · Post Post #917 (isolation #73) » Mon Dec 18, 2023 11:01 am

In post 915, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 914, Thomith wrote:
In post 911, Flavor Leaf wrote: VOTE: Dunnstral
I'm a little confused that you are scumreading Hu Tao but then following where she is voting.
just cuz im scum reading her doesnt make her scum

This is such a funny quote

Hu Tao · Post Post #921 (isolation #74) » Mon Dec 18, 2023 11:23 am

I think I'm town reading Roden

Hu Tao · Post Post #923 (isolation #75) » Mon Dec 18, 2023 11:36 am

In post 922, Celebloki wrote: I'm gonna be controversial and say I'm town reading Hu Tao. I'm in my new Hu Tao is town arc. It'll be just my luck that this is finally the game she's scum though.

Upon re-read with the knowledge of flips, I wonder if someone was trying to make Wiz look bad with the Kyouko NK since they were kinda at odds.

I'm also Scum reading Dunn and maybe Roden. I can kinda see scum!Dunn wanting to NK Kyouko. The roden read is just vibes at the moment.

I'm still re-reading, back up to page 16. Might post after getting further but this is where I'm at.

Wow another first time Hu Taowner. Welcome!

Hu Tao · Post Post #924 (isolation #76) » Mon Dec 18, 2023 11:37 am

I think we go Dunn still. Bingley I'm not sure om yet. FL I'm leaning town but not sure

Hu Tao · Post Post #936 (isolation #77) » Tue Dec 19, 2023 3:27 am

In post 934, Thomith wrote: I'm going to go more into depth later, but just wanted to sort my thoughts out a bit.

Hu Tao

Flavor Leaf
RCEnigma
Roden

SirCakez
Bingle
AnimatedWiz

Naerys
Celebloki

Dunnstral

I think this is where my head is at for right now.

After yesterday I'm a little paranoid about FL and RCE but don't have a real reason/have no real evidence there, so I want to look over them again when I get the chance, to try and solidify the read I have on them because it's a lot more shaky than it was.

Our reads are so similar.

Hu Tao · Post Post #940 (isolation #78) » Tue Dec 19, 2023 7:11 am

In post 937, Naerys wrote: How about slowing down a bit? E-2 when we have like 8 days left?

That's boring

Hu Tao · Post Post #990 (isolation #79) » Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:44 pm

In post 959, Flavor Leaf wrote: I just don’t really buy Hu Tao as a top town read here.

Even by Hu Tao’s own statement, they haven’t really done much.

And while I scum read Hu Tao, it doesn’t mean I think they’re always scum here, and I might think that I lean town Hu Tao because I’m scum reading them, if that makes sense.

But the very top? Hu Tao? Someone who actively gets town read as scum?

Yeah, I don’t buy that.

The post they made before Thomith voted also pinged me a little, the “I’m back” kinda post.

I didn’t want to go off of just that, but with the political reads list, Celebloki dropped a bunch for me.

I feel it’s possible Celeb/Dunn?

But Cakez is right, we definitely should take some time for today.

Well that's 3 people that seem to have me as their top town read?

Hu Tao · Post Post #991 (isolation #80) » Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:45 pm

In post 987, Roden wrote:
In post 458, Roden wrote: Gob/Hu Tao/Naerys/Kyouko/Thomith

I think this contains exactly two scum
This is likely embarrassingly wrong...

It's okay. I think maybe 1 in naerys

Hu Tao · Post Post #992 (isolation #81) » Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:45 pm

In post 989, Roden wrote: Would it spook you if I voted RC?

It would spook me

Hu Tao · Post Post #1006 (isolation #82) » Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:29 am

I still agree with Dunn gone

Hu Tao · Wed Dec 20, 2023 10:11 am

In post 1001, Bingle wrote:
In post 990, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 959, Flavor Leaf wrote: I just don’t really buy Hu Tao as a top town read here.

Even by Hu Tao’s own statement, they haven’t really done much.
Well that's 3 people that seem to have me as their top town read?
But should they?

I think I'm fine with it right now

Hu Tao · Wed Dec 20, 2023 11:11 am

Maybe, but as of right now, I don't want any of them.

Hu Tao · Wed Dec 20, 2023 11:14 am

Why are you so against Dunn or wiz today?

Hu Tao · Post Post #1033 (isolation #86) » Wed Dec 20, 2023 7:04 pm

In post 1025, Flavor Leaf wrote: I don’t remember ever thinking Celebloki was fluffy before.

Also really don’t like the idea of Hu Tao town thinking all 3 hard town reading her are town

Cele could be scum sure, but I would prefer Dunn right now.

Hu Tao · Post Post #1064 (isolation #87) » Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:25 am

In post 1056, Dunnstral wrote: People playing in the background this day phase: AnimatedWiz, Hu Tao, RCEnigma, SirCakez, Thomith

How am I in the background?

Hu Tao · Post Post #1070 (isolation #88) » Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:40 am

I think I said celebloki could be scum, but right now I'm fine with you or wiz.

Hu Tao · Post Post #1074 (isolation #89) » Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:47 am

UNVOTE:

I'll think it over

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 12:14 pm

Welcome to the Hu Tao experience

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 12:23 pm

Celeb is probably town. I believe him

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 12:23 pm

Is anyone okay with going wiz today?

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 12:24 pm

In post 1109, Celebloki wrote: I guess I'm just off this game. I tend to prefer to respond more conversationally and I honestly had a really hard time reading what anyone was doing D1.

When D2 looked like it was going to limp along, I got restless and wanted to try and spice the game up. I'm blindly trusting them for D2 only, I might flip on them tomorrow.

I legitimately town read Wiz and Thom off D1 play more than anyone else, I wasn't lying when I said everyone else was largely null to me. I liked their effort on their reads lists and questions. After seeing Kyouko's flip, that validated those reads a bit more for me for at least D2.

Hu Tao I am giving another day because like I said previously, I recently finished a couple games with her where I tunneled her for behavior like she's displaying in this game. She ended up being town and we lost the game we were in. As much of a shade as it seems to be, she plays anti-town as town and I am gun shy to do that again.

Based on last game I had with Cele I can see him posting this about me as town.

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 12:28 pm

Damn Cele I was about to hard defend you with past posts

couldn't wait 5 more minutes

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 12:29 pm

Dunn or wiz. Or maybe Naerys is who I'd prefer today

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 12:32 pm

In post 1123, Thomith wrote:
In post 1119, Celebloki wrote: I softed in my second post if anyone cares about that.
Just double checked and this does check out.
I think I'm inclined to believe this for now.

Top 2 scumreads?

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 12:38 pm

In post 1127, Thomith wrote:
In post 1125, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1123, Thomith wrote:
In post 1119, Celebloki wrote: I softed in my second post if anyone cares about that.
Just double checked and this does check out.
I think I'm inclined to believe this for now.
Top 2 scumreads?
Dunn and Naerys

We are besties this game

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 12:38 pm

In post 1130, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1124, Roden wrote: Why wouldn't you check Leaf?
Cuz they’re lying scum.

False

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 12:41 pm

In post 1136, Flavor Leaf wrote: I’m down to move to Hu Tao, though, if we wanna let Celeb go further.

I think they’re blatantly scum claiming Neap here, but Hu Tao is also scum.

This is also false, as I am town this game

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 12:41 pm

In post 1138, Thomith wrote:
In post 1135, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1130, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1124, Roden wrote: Why wouldn't you check Leaf?
Cuz they’re lying scum.
Scratch that, they’re probs a Scum Neap here lying about their target
I guess that technically could be possible too.

Why would scum soft?

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 12:42 pm

If I was a vig, I'm shooting flavor tonight

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 12:44 pm

In post 1145, Celebloki wrote: Why would I say I got a No Result on kyouko if I was lying about my claim though. I could just as easily say I got VT on her. I honestly didn't feel like my crumb was very well hidden and I regretted crumbing it. My best guess is scum have a roleblocker and saw my crumb and used it on me. Might as well flip me, they'll just keep role blocking me so I get no information.

False. We keep you alive

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 12:49 pm

In post 1151, Thomith wrote:
In post 1145, Celebloki wrote: Why would I say I got a No Result on kyouko if I was lying about my claim though. I could just as easily say I got VT on her. I honestly didn't feel like my crumb was very well hidden and I regretted crumbing it. My best guess is scum have a roleblocker and saw my crumb and used it on me. Might as well flip me, they'll just keep role blocking me so I get no information.
I'm not too sure it makes sense to flip you just because of setup spec of Mafia potentially hand a role blocker that saw your soft, because I dont actually think it was that obvious personally. It's a potential, but there are other things that could explain it instead.

I'd rather keep celeb around for now I think, to see what happens in future nights?

I agree with this

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 12:50 pm

Usually I'm all for voting the pr claim. But I really think Cele is town

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 12:53 pm

In post 1157, Flavor Leaf wrote: It’s Celeb or Hu Tao for me today. Hu Tao’s either TMI’ing Celeb town or is scum. Or they’re both scum. This isn’t town Tao.

This is you just setting up for when Cele flips town

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 12:55 pm

VOTE: Flavor

No more games

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 12:55 pm

In post 1162, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1160, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1157, Flavor Leaf wrote: It’s Celeb or Hu Tao for me today. Hu Tao’s either TMI’ing Celeb town or is scum. Or they’re both scum. This isn’t town Tao.
This is you just setting up for when Cele flips town
I specifically make it a point to not setup like that.

And I’ve been pushing you as scum the majority of the day phase.

Okay. Tell me why this is my scum game.

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 1:05 pm

If you wanted a cop to investigate me, and no one has claimed a guilty on me. Why are you trying to push me today?

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 1:29 pm

I'm just confident in people I see as town

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 1:30 pm

In post 1196, Thomith wrote:
In post 1193, Flavor Leaf wrote: Thomith, you are in a Hu Tao pocket.

Look at how you react to this situation compared to how Hu Tao is.

You are questioning everything.

Hu Tao is not, even though pages before they were talking about them being able to see it as scum.

I believe Celebloki is getting advice from Hu Tao in the scum PT.
I'll be real, I feel like I'm in a situation right now where either you have me pocketed or Hu tao has me pocketed so I'm not sure what to do right now if I'm being honest.

It's possible we are all 3 town. Flavor just likes to do these things

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 1:32 pm

I post those things to get a read on you as well.

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 1:33 pm

But you're town this game, it's pretty obvious.

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 1:34 pm

Okay enough joking around. Let's solve this game

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 1:39 pm

Hu Tao - Town
Dunnstral - Prob not town
Celebloki - Prob Town
Flavor Leaf - Prob town
Bingle - idk
Roden - Town
AnimatedWiz - Idk
RCEnigma - Town
SirCakez - Idk
Thomith - Town
Naerys - Prob not town

Okay game isn't solved. But I'm fine voting in anyone that I don't have as at least prob town

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 2:38 pm

That's enough effort for me not to want to vote you today Dunn.

How would everyone feel about a Naerys vote?

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 2:38 pm

In post 1211, SirCakez wrote: Can we do Hu Tao or RCE instead?

Both terrible votes

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 2:46 pm

Why are you worried about being guiltied? Last time you said that you were scum

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 2:46 pm

I remove FL from prob town to not sure anymore.

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 2:54 pm

If you can find it, then I'll restore your probably town status. But I only remember you saying it as scum.

And the only time I faked a guilty as scum was when I knew cop had a guilty on me. Why would I do so on a claimed VT?

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 3:04 pm

In post 1224, SirCakez wrote: I can't see the town thoughts driving Hu Tao's posts. FL is right that it looks like they are just writing whatever gets them in a better position rather then legitimate scumhunting

What posts are putting me in a better position

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 3:05 pm

In post 1225, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1218, Hu Tao wrote: I remove FL from prob town to not sure anymore.
This just seems fake AF to me

I'm real, unfortunately

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 3:05 pm

Me Cakez. What are your thoughts on Naerys?

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 3:05 pm

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 3:14 pm

In post 1230, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1226, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1224, SirCakez wrote: I can't see the town thoughts driving Hu Tao's posts. FL is right that it looks like they are just writing whatever gets them in a better position rather then legitimate scumhunting
What posts are putting me in a better position
Like the post I just quoted, it looks like you're dropping FL in your reads so you can fling stuff back at him more easily

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 3:15 pm

Okay let's vote Naerys then. I'm busing my partner.

VOTE: Naerys

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 3:15 pm

From your point of view

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 21, 2023 4:50 pm

Am I at E-2 or E-1

Hu Tao · Fri Dec 22, 2023 10:03 am

In post 1254, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1244, Flavor Leaf wrote: Oh, it's Wiz, Hu Tao, and RCEnigma.
I could see this

I still think RCE is town from day 1

Hu Tao · Fri Dec 22, 2023 4:46 pm

In post 1267, Flavor Leaf wrote: Based on Naerys wagon being Celeb and Hu Tao, probs never do Naerys today.

I think Dunn vs Wiz is a feud for later in the game.

So Celeb vs Hu Tao.

I’m game for either

I'm a no for both me and cele

Hu Tao · Fri Dec 22, 2023 5:53 pm

In post 1271, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1270, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1267, Flavor Leaf wrote: Based on Naerys wagon being Celeb and Hu Tao, probs never do Naerys today.

I think Dunn vs Wiz is a feud for later in the game.

So Celeb vs Hu Tao.

I’m game for either
I'm a no for both me and cele

You’re a no for all the viable wagons today, though, the 3rd being RCE, so you gotta start giving reasons and explanations if you want people to follow

I don't see the issue of cele getting another night. If he's town we force scum to block him, leaving our other PRs to do stuff. RCE I liked their opening and say 1, I know they haven't been active today but could be holiday related so I don't want that either. In terms of me, I don't think I've been too scummy.

Hu Tao · Fri Dec 22, 2023 5:54 pm

In post 1264, Roden wrote: A strong town PR shouldn't be intentionally trying to get themself voted out and then inform the scum team that they were correct in blocking them...

In post 1265, Roden wrote: Like what was the point of any of that

Where's the townie thought process

This is true. What's the scum benefit though?

Hu Tao · Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:14 am

In post 1280, Flavor Leaf wrote: Hu Tao feels soooo much like scum, theyre doing a good job, though.

Surely

Hu Tao · Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:14 am

In post 1277, Celebloki wrote: I'll tell you one thing, I'm never gonna try and play differently to get a boring game exciting again. I'll just stick to the low volume posts that I'm used to.

I don't think he'd make this post as scum.

Hu Tao · Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:15 am

I'm willing to vote outside Roden, Cele, RCE, Thom today. So basically anyone else

Hu Tao · Sat Dec 23, 2023 9:15 am

In post 1298, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1259, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1254, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1244, Flavor Leaf wrote: Oh, it's Wiz, Hu Tao, and RCEnigma.
I could see this
I still think RCE is town from day 1
why

Gut reads. That's mostly what I go off of.

Hu Tao · Sat Dec 23, 2023 9:17 am

In post 1304, Flavor Leaf wrote: actually, im getting possible vibes of the defense of celebloki being scum defense somewhere in there. i town read em all doing it, but i just wholeheartedly disagree with the philosophy of 'letting it resolve itself' lately.

I also think people overvalue the mech side of it.

I actually agree. I think there is scum defending Cele and I think there is probably just 1 pushing him. I think this because it seems the safest thing to do of you know the pr is not scum

Hu Tao · Sat Dec 23, 2023 9:17 am

In post 1305, Flavor Leaf wrote: If they're scummy, fade them.

It was the 'it's pretty clear eliminating Celebloki is the wrong play' line that did it for me.

No, it really isn't. It's not a 'wrong play'. it's a fade on a slot a lot of people scum read. day play over mech.

It's not just mech. I already laid out that eliminating him makes no sense today. If he's town then he's going to die or be roleblocked tonight. Freeing up another pr to do what's needed.

Hu Tao · Sat Dec 23, 2023 9:21 am

What do you mean?

Hu Tao · Sat Dec 23, 2023 9:21 am

I can't agree that I think some scum are defending pr because they know it'll look good for them tomorrow?

Hu Tao · Sat Dec 23, 2023 9:23 am

I doubt all 3 scum are doing the same thing. Which is why I think 2 are against. And 1 is for Cele Elim. Possibly 1 of the 2 that is against is just on the fence waiting to vote toward the end of day

Hu Tao · Sat Dec 23, 2023 9:24 am

In post 1274, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1271, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1270, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1267, Flavor Leaf wrote: Based on Naerys wagon being Celeb and Hu Tao, probs never do Naerys today.

I think Dunn vs Wiz is a feud for later in the game.

So Celeb vs Hu Tao.

I’m game for either
I'm a no for both me and cele

You’re a no for all the viable wagons today, though, the 3rd being RCE, so you gotta start giving reasons and explanations if you want people to follow
I don't see the issue of cele getting another night. If he's town we force scum to block him, leaving our other PRs to do stuff. RCE I liked their opening and say 1, I know they haven't been active today but could be holiday related so I don't want that either. In terms of me, I don't think I've been too scummy.

I sort of said the same thing in the beginning here

Hu Tao · Sat Dec 23, 2023 9:26 am

I could see wiz as the fence sitter scum.

VOTE: Wiz

I think this is my preferred vote

Hu Tao · Sat Dec 23, 2023 9:27 am

In post 1316, Dunnstral wrote: I am not keen on voting for you or for Naerys right now. My preference is Awiz but we seem to be ignoring them.

Let's join forces!

Hu Tao · Sat Dec 23, 2023 9:27 am

In post 1317, Naerys wrote: My dear scummies, i wish you merry Christmas!
Hope you enjoy the holiday <3

Merry Christmas

Hu Tao · Sat Dec 23, 2023 9:28 am

In post 1319, SirCakez wrote: I could do AWiz

The most unlikely trio comes together

Hu Tao · Sat Dec 23, 2023 9:30 am

In post 1322, SirCakez wrote: im scared now

Hu Tao · Sat Dec 23, 2023 9:34 am

I don't know for sure if he's scum but why not. At least if cele is town it'll give our other PRs free reign if there is a rber.

Hu Tao · Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:36 pm

In post 1335, AnimatedWiz wrote: I would definitely prefer to not be the wagon today for obvious reasons, but I really don’t understand the push for me.

Anyway, I’m not going to just sit around and die.

I’m the
Town Role Cop
, and Hu Tao is a vanilla role. Part of the reason I’m pushing Celebloki is due to doubt about there being two Town investigative roles—does that explain my push on them better?

Oh.. awkward. I thought someone else softed an innocent on me. But if you had that, why would you be willing to compromise a vote on me? Also this likely means a scum in Cele and Wiz. I don't see town having both? I'll think this over

Hu Tao · Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:37 pm

In post 1351, Dunnstral wrote: I believe that town Role Cop is a weak standalone role for town's investigative power and that it does not make sense as the only investigative. It is about as powerful as a tracker, roughly. Neapolitan is much more powerful, and is slightly below the power of a normal Cop.

I think your plan to eliminate Celebloki and target somebody else is a very bad plan, and that you should instead target Celebloki with the belief that mafia can only block one of you two, and see what happens.

Can you explain why you think they can both be town? Aren't their roles kind of overlapped?

Hu Tao · Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:38 pm

We have 4 days, so we have time to think this over

UNVOTE:

Hu Tao · Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:40 pm

In post 1342, Bingle wrote: What's to think? AniWiz just claimed a role that can get a functional inno on a role that can get an actual inno on FL. If we leave all three alive into the night, we get a buttload of info from who mafia kills, whether anyone gets blocked, and the actual elimination from today.

Meanwhile, none of Hu Tao's scumpoints have disappeared and she's apparently vanilla checked, which is a verification point towards Wiz's role at the very least, even if Hu is somehow town here.

2+2 isn't particularly hard math.

That math doesn't make sense to me. Why would that lead to me being the vote out?

Hu Tao · Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:42 pm

In post 1363, Thomith wrote:
In post 1360, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1335, AnimatedWiz wrote: I would definitely prefer to not be the wagon today for obvious reasons, but I really don’t understand the push for me.

Anyway, I’m not going to just sit around and die.

I’m the
Town Role Cop
, and Hu Tao is a vanilla role. Part of the reason I’m pushing Celebloki is due to doubt about there being two Town investigative roles—does that explain my push on them better?
Oh.. awkward. I thought someone else softed an innocent on me. But if you had that, why would you be willing to compromise a vote on me? Also this likely means a scum in Cele and Wiz. I don't see town having both? I'll think this over
Vanilla from a Rolecop isn't an innocent?

It means I'm vanilla townie or mafia goon. If anything I think there is at most 2 goons. So if we get rid of 2 goons I'm pretty much a pseudo clear

Hu Tao · Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:46 pm

I'm starting to think Dunn town

Hu Tao · Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:54 pm

In post 1295, AnimatedWiz wrote: Hm, those posts collated together does seem a convincing argument. I, uh, admit I’m bad at reading Hu Tao, since they’re always very laconic and don’t provide much info early (which I’ve come to learn is a way to survive into the endgame), but the logic makes sense.

I would not prefer Hu Tao over Celebloki or Dunn due to some uncertainty, but if I have to compromise I won’t complain.

Like if I had a vanilla result on someone I'm not sure I'd be even willing to compromise. Yes they could be goon but I wouldn't vote out my checks especially when unsure.

Hu Tao · Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:55 pm

In post 1373, Flavor Leaf wrote: @Hu Tao - say you and I were Masons, Naerys got cop inno’d, and Wiz was faded and flipped town

Who’s scum?

Bingle for sure

Hu Tao · Sat Dec 23, 2023 1:00 pm

In post 1379, Dunnstral wrote: Except to know that you are not a mafia roleblocker/jailkeeper. But that's only 1 of 3 mafia.

That's pretty much what I'm saying. I have less odds of being mafia than others which is confirmed.

Hu Tao · Sat Dec 23, 2023 1:01 pm

In post 1377, SirCakez wrote: UNVOTE: can we just go back to Hu Tao

Why? Don't want to try to scumhunt here with more info?

Hu Tao · Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:28 pm

I'm still fine with cakes

VOTE: Cakez

Hu Tao · Sat Dec 23, 2023 4:05 pm

In post 1399, Thomith wrote: I'm going to sleep on this I think.

Part of me does kind of want to go Bingle instead. I want to reread the day at some point tomorrow if I can.

I wouldn't hate this either

Hu Tao · Sat Dec 23, 2023 8:25 pm

I would agree with that last statement. I think we have time to wait for celeb to respond

Hu Tao · Sun Dec 24, 2023 3:55 am

VOTE: bingle

Hu Tao · Sun Dec 24, 2023 4:55 am

In post 1437, Flavor Leaf wrote: Really leaning that it’s just Bingle here

In post 1438, Thomith wrote: I'm wondering if Bingle/Naerys may have partner equity.

In post 1439, Thomith wrote: Naerys repeatedly said she would come online on Day 2, and the reason why she wasn't giving a huge amount of content on Day 1 was because she is bad at Day 1, but most of her posts today have had quite similar vibes as they have done the entire game.

I also feel like Bingle's posts following the Neap claim (specifically 1337 1345 1359) seem to be looking like they are saying a lot, without really saying much.

I agree with these. Mostly on Bingle part

Hu Tao · Sun Dec 24, 2023 11:22 am

Let's vote out bingle

Hu Tao · Sun Dec 24, 2023 1:54 pm

In post 1482, Bingle wrote:
In post 1481, Hu Tao wrote: Let's vote out bingle
^My point exactly.

Unlucky

Hu Tao · Sun Dec 24, 2023 8:01 pm

Unfortunately, Bingle. You've committed the unforgivable crime of trying to eliminate me when I'm town. Punishment is eliminating you.

Hu Tao · Sun Dec 24, 2023 8:01 pm

And others have gotten townier than you like Dunn

Hu Tao · Mon Dec 25, 2023 12:48 pm

? He claimed that he was role blocked. What do you mean

Hu Tao · Mon Dec 25, 2023 5:14 pm

In post 1495, Bingle wrote: Yes. He claimed he was roleblocked. And you immediately accepted that as truth.

But more importantly, I'm trying to figure out celeb's thought processes when he's been gone for a while.

Because I Town read him before the claim

Hu Tao · Tue Dec 26, 2023 5:33 am

In post 1500, Thomith wrote:
In post 1496, Celebloki wrote: I was saying I'm curious what her motivation was/is for defending my claim and result so much. There was a lot of discussion around how that isn't a valid result according to wiki articles for Neap or Roleblocker, but apparently is for JK for what Dunn was saying. One rationale I had for why Hu was so believing was maybe she was the JK that had targeted me, so she understood my result. Because of this I was more unsure if she was the lim for today in case she was town JK, but after Wiz's claim I am less worried about that. Hu Tao also seemed to implicitly confirm that she is vanilla based on Wiz's claim, she at least didn't attempt to dispute it.

What I was saying in 1431 is that now I can come around on a lim of her for today knowing she is vanilla at least.

I'm not sure I believe she slipped, but maybe her defending of me could be construed as TMI if a buddy of hers roleblocked me and she knew about it. It still begs the question of why she was so willing to believe me off the bat when no one else was.
If I remember correctly, both me and Naerys also said we believed the claim?

Exactly this makes 0 sense

Hu Tao · Tue Dec 26, 2023 5:34 am

Celeb starts acting weird once I push on bingle?

Hu Tao · Tue Dec 26, 2023 12:00 pm

Why not?

Hu Tao · Tue Dec 26, 2023 12:42 pm

That was indeed the joke

Hu Tao · Tue Dec 26, 2023 12:42 pm

He's scum because others are towner now

Hu Tao · Tue Dec 26, 2023 12:44 pm

The mental gymnastics needed to vote me here is impressive

Hu Tao · Tue Dec 26, 2023 2:07 pm

In post 1527, Bingle wrote:
In post 1524, Hu Tao wrote: The mental gymnastics needed to vote me here is impressive
What mental gymnastics? There's a clear case.

I'm confirmed a vanilla. So your last post makes 0 sense

Hu Tao · Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:03 pm

In post 1531, SirCakez wrote: Confirmed vanilla means nothing

It does when part of his reason for scumreading me is that I'm scum pr

Hu Tao · Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:04 pm

This game kinda seems all over the place. Maybe scum is setting it up this way. Because seems to be a lot of chaos

Hu Tao · Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:15 am

He literally claimed he was roleblocked. That's why I know a role block happened. I Town read him already so I believed him. I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

And since when is being vanilla a guilty?

or am I reading that part wrong

Hu Tao · Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:23 am

In post 1548, Bingle wrote: If you, as vanilla, knew that Celeb was rb'd, you could only have gotten that information from a scum PT.

He claimed he was roleblocked. I townread him. Why would I think he's lying if I townread him??

Hu Tao · Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:23 am

In post 1550, Flavor Leaf wrote: Town reading someone isn’t a confirmation of it happening because ya can be wrong

Yes. But why would I think my townread is lying?

Hu Tao · Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:18 pm

I still think of the posters, bingle is the one I'd want eliminated the most.

Hu Tao · Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:20 pm

Maybe Naerys or sir cakez. But much preferred by a lot is bingle.

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 5:28 am

I still think rce is town from how they acted day 1

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 5:30 am

Gob was my tr and was already voted out. So I don't want to vote another one of my trs out

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:08 am

In post 1574, Naerys wrote:
In post 1572, Hu Tao wrote: I still think rce is town from how they acted day 1
What is it that you see about him, that makes you TR him? I really dont understand

I just think the way they opened the game it seemed like a not scummy way

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:09 am

In post 1575, Bingle wrote:
In post 1563, Celebloki wrote: I think Dunn has moved out of being scummy for me. Wiz gets a pass for the same reason I hope I'd get a pass for the day. I TR Thom and FL.
If Hu Tao is town, why exactly is it so hard to get this wagon through despite there being no actual reason to townread her. Like, even Naerys here is townreading her because "Bingle was wrong last game, so he's probably just wrong again" as best I can tell. There's no town case there, and yet no one is willing to put there votes down with only 48 hours in the day.

Scum wagons aren't always hard. That's just nonsense.

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:35 am

In post 1580, Bingle wrote:
In post 1578, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1575, Bingle wrote:
In post 1563, Celebloki wrote: I think Dunn has moved out of being scummy for me. Wiz gets a pass for the same reason I hope I'd get a pass for the day. I TR Thom and FL.
If Hu Tao is town, why exactly is it so hard to get this wagon through despite there being no actual reason to townread her. Like, even Naerys here is townreading her because "Bingle was wrong last game, so he's probably just wrong again" as best I can tell. There's no town case there, and yet no one is willing to put there votes down with only 48 hours in the day.
Scum wagons aren't always hard. That's just nonsense.
It's really cool how you respond consistently to things I don't say. I didn't say "Scum wagons are always hard" I said, "There's no reason that this wagon would be hard if it wasn't on scum." You've done nothing towny, and yet no one is willing to vote you. That's not a towntell.

Ok. Let's try something different. If I was cleared right now as town. Who is scum and why

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:35 am

Notice how bingle ignored my last question. He's just scum.

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:36 am

He has no desire to imagine a world I'm town, he's just pushing for the vote that helps scum out. Voting me out since I'm a potential clear in the future works against him. He wants me out asap.

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 12:17 pm

Bingle have we played together before?

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 2:16 pm

Okay that's fair. That is the game I replaced in I think? And I was scum there?

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 2:25 pm

In post 1619, Bingle wrote:
In post 1613, Roden wrote: You just said you don't think she's good at playing scum
I didn't specify that she's bad at scum. I believe she's too self oriented to be good at the game in general. That has nothing to do with complex strategies, just personality.

This is a fair criticism. I think it started from when I went on vacation and didn't have enough time to play and it carried over to the holidays. I'll try to change this though going forward.

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 2:28 pm

Okay now that I understand where bingle is getting this from. I think I'd rather cakes today.

VOTE: Cakez

I can see bingle being annoyed by my play and tunneling for that reason. I still think that based on that I shouldn't just auto be scum here.

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 2:29 pm

I think it would be a bit lame to use their thought of me as an excuse though as scum, so they are probably town.

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 2:37 pm

Yeah. I've been given that criticism a few times, so I definitely need to change. I'll just try to be more open in my thoughts I guess.

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 2:37 pm

To me it seems like cakez hasn't been trying to figure out my alignment and has just been quoting posts saying that I'm scummy without trying to ask questions or get my point of view

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 2:39 pm

In post 1224, SirCakez wrote: I can't see the town thoughts driving Hu Tao's posts. FL is right that it looks like they are just writing whatever gets them in a better position rather then legitimate scumhunting

In post 1225, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1218, Hu Tao wrote: I remove FL from prob town to not sure anymore.
This just seems fake AF to me

In post 1230, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1226, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1224, SirCakez wrote: I can't see the town thoughts driving Hu Tao's posts. FL is right that it looks like they are just writing whatever gets them in a better position rather then legitimate scumhunting
What posts are putting me in a better position
Like the post I just quoted, it looks like you're dropping FL in your reads so you can fling stuff back at him more easily

Like here, he never tried to get where I was coming from before voting. It didn't seem like he was asking any questions before coming to the conclusion that I'm scum

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 2:43 pm

I'm not sure. I think it was mainly you 3. Anyone else?

Hu Tao · Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:57 pm

Oh we have less than a day