Open 895 - 09:12 PM - Postgame

[gob]

I'm just gonna chill day 1, DONT eliminate me.

[gob]

Alright you make a good point

VOTE: gob

[gob]

Honestly limming me here might be the most optimal play

Because I am town, and if the mafia knew my capabilities they would know I win here if left alive for more than 1 day as town. So mafia should kill me tonight.

Therefore the most optimal thing for me to do is die and give info on my way out, since I can give more info being the mislim than I can being NK'd.

What do you all think?

[gob]

Honestly limming me here might be the most optimal play

Because I am town, and if the mafia knew my capabilities they would know I win here if left alive for more than 1 day as town. So mafia should kill me tonight.

Therefore the most optimal thing for me to do is die and give info on my way out, since I can give more info being the mislim than I can being NK'd.

What do you all think?

I think it's an open setup and you're full of shit.

Full of shit how?

[gob]

Honestly limming me here might be the most optimal play

Because I am town, and if the mafia knew my capabilities they would know I win here if left alive for more than 1 day as town. So mafia should kill me tonight.

Therefore the most optimal thing for me to do is die and give info on my way out, since I can give more info being the mislim than I can being NK'd.

What do you all think?

Is anyone in the playerlist familiar with you as town? You've rolled scum in like every completed game on site iirc - maybe one town game?

Who cares?

Meta is pointless, just read me how I am

[gob]

You say

"if the mafia knew my capabilities"

- so if nobody knows your towngame as I suspect is the case, what is your goal in bringing this up in the first place?

Well first things first, you can know somebody's towngame from their scumgame and vice versa.

My goal was to taunt the mafia, because I think the mafia will let me live and beat them if I taunt them. They want to shut me up, so they try to beat me fair and square.

[gob]

Gob is just town here

I am but I urge everyone to not give simple reads on me based on tone. Just look at Topaz game. Simply giving people what they don't expect and making them manually read you is an easy way to get townread as scum. But you'll need to look at what im actually trying to accomplish with my actions, if anything.

[gob]

Sure, but you're just town

I'll keep note that you're easy to trick. Unless you're mafia here, in which case I appreciate and accept the pocket.

[gob]

VOTE: Elements

[gob]

You say

"if the mafia knew my capabilities"

- so if nobody knows your towngame as I suspect is the case, what is your goal in bringing this up in the first place?

Well first things first, you can know somebody's towngame from their scumgame and vice versa.

My goal was to taunt the mafia, because I think the mafia will let me live and beat them if I taunt them. They want to shut me up, so they try to beat me fair and square.

This seems like a somewhat coin-toss strategy.

I'm always down to get fear killed Night 1. Adds to the mystique of my character.

[gob]

Can we no-lim here?

[gob]

I'm curious why we should do that.

Eh just always down to try something new.

[gob]

Black or Claptastik is probably mafia here. They still aren't voting.

[gob]

VOTE: gob

This always flips scum

Haven't read anything but I'll be back tomorrow

You must be scum here and afraid of me running things over.

gob is too much of a loose cannon for me to gauge accurately

currently i'd vote him on policy

Go for it, lol. What a silly way to play.

[gob]

Elements seems to get limmed Day 1 often.

[gob]

Elements seems to get limmed Day 1 often.

That's probably not a bad thing in most cases.

Yea but its not cool to lim the same person over and over and it could mean theyre LHF town

[gob]

If they're a bad player it's cool. Fact is that d1 lims don't hit scum any better than random chance. So, taking out a person who's junking up the thread and will be difficult to read later is logical if no one is particularly scummy.

Elements doesnt seem too junky to me.

I do find them a little scummy though.

How about we lim you Claptastic?

[gob]

If they're a bad player it's cool. Fact is that d1 lims don't hit scum any better than random chance. So, taking out a person who's junking up the thread and will be difficult to read later is logical if no one is particularly scummy.

And you think I'm a better target in that scenario than gob?

Wtf….

[gob]

Trying to stick my neck out for you Elements and you go and call me bad.

Youre donezo

[gob]

Trying to stick my neck out for you Elements and you go and call me bad.

Youre donezo

I don't want you voted out either

Not the issue

[quote=gob post_id=14005985 post_num=97 time=<a href="tel:1701699513">1701699513</a> user_id=26058]
Elements seems to get limmed Day 1 often.

Have you seen this happen? I don't remember that being the case when I was meta diving them last game and they seemed easy to read. How involved were you in the last run of this setup? I remember Adorable was making a lot of the posts, were you keeping up as much?
[/quote]
Yea i just saw it happen. No i wasnt paying much attention to that game since i knew it was gamma since day 1. Not much of a game there

[gob]

Goodness…

Welp i wanna lim someone whoisquiet

[gob]

???????

[gob]

UNVOTE: Elements

[gob]

I refuse to play into what Elements wants here, which is to be limmed

[gob]

Why were you voting me in the first place again gob?

I could see you as a nervous scum here. But i also dont want to lim someone who gets limmed often day 1.

[gob]

I am so sleepy @_@

[gob]

I am preparing to hammer whoever gets to E-1 next.

You have all been warned.

I am town here but it actually doesn't matter whether town or mafia dies Day 1 statistically. (source: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=29601)

So whoever gets to E-1, I'm killin.

[gob]

VOTE: Cook

[gob]

Statistically it does matter if we elim a town PR day 1, as was discussed previous game. Here's hoping Cook was at least a VT.

If you reduce Mafia down to a game of random chance, why even play at all?

I'm not reducing anything down to random chance lol. But I am so confident in my abilities in 9p (again mafia, you should fear kill me here lol) that regardless of what happens here, I know I can solve the game and reach victory.

[gob]

Well i guess if i am actually killed by mafia then that kinda sucks.

But basically if i die here, then that means there is 1 maf on Cook wagon, and 1 maf off the cook wagon.
Assuming Cook is Town

That is only if I die here, it's possible that there are 2 maf on Cook, but I kinda doubt it since im on it. So idk we'll see what happenz

[gob]

Why are you assuming Cook is town?

I'm not assuming anything, although now I do assume they are town since they would have no reason to lie here as mafia.

anyhow. that's nice to come back to

My bad. I will listen to you more next time. I didn't want to be made a liar by Black.

[gob]

Woah....


what a TWIST

[gob]

^ I was acting, all scum theater.

UNVOTE: Cook

[gob]

Well, since I am basically confirmed town and so is Cook

I'm hopping on my vanity wagon

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

Yea I just don't really feel any town vibes from you, and your posts are long and complicated. So I am good taking a chance here, especially as the odds increase.

[gob]

So Cook is probably town

VOTE: Mizuki

I mean that is kind of a weird post I will say. But do you really think mafia is going to be thinking about that at (what was perceived) EoD/Hammer? I feel like they would be more concerned about their positioning and the positioning of their partner

Well, since I am basically confirmed town and so is Cook

Cook maybe, but even that

could

have been theatre. Why would you be confirmed?

Yea im not confirmed. I sorta thought i was but im not from a 3rd party view.

[gob]

I mean that is kind of a weird post I will say. But do you really think mafia is going to be thinking about that at (what was perceived) EoD/Hammer? I feel like they would be more concerned about their positioning and the positioning of their partner

Why do you think Mizuki is town?

I don't really im just playing devils advocate.

[gob]

Also why do you think gob is basically confirmed?

Yes I would be down to lim Mizuki for that

[gob]

I do not have the spoons to deal with this current nonsense.

@gob

is the general gist of why you want to lim Mizuki because you think she towned you too easily? That's what I can intuit from the current posts.

-Drew

It's a possibility she has TMI yea. I am still voting Kyouko though i think. But I'm fine with Mizuki too.

[gob]

Shouldn't have posted that gif, it's addicting to watch over and over. Very relaxing.

Will distract many people.

[gob]

shaddowez i think has been a little under the radar.

[gob]

Feeling worse about Claptastic after their catch up

[gob]

Kyouko ignoring the SR on her.

Noted

[gob]

Mizuki, Clap, Kyouko

has a wolf

[gob]

Feeling worse about Claptastic after their catch up

Why?

FYI I was on phone and I'm not used to posting by phone.

you seemed disconnected in a way

but i just read some of ur stuff u seem towny so ur good today

[gob]

you seemed disconnected in a way

but i just read some of ur stuff u seem towny so ur good today

Where are you on Doc and Drew, and shaddowez? I know there's not much content there yet so not expecting much, but still curious.

Not really anywhere on them to be honest. I dont want to lim a hydra day 1 though thats lame

[gob]

I think i unironically may die tonight at this point. Everyone start scumreading me so maf dont kill me.

[gob]

Honestly limming me here might be the most optimal play

Because I am town, and if the mafia knew my capabilities they would know I win here if left alive for more than 1 day as town. So mafia should kill me tonight.

Therefore the most optimal thing for me to do is die and give info on my way out, since I can give more info being the mislim than I can being NK'd.

What do you all think?

Well i guess if i am actually killed by mafia then that kinda sucks.

But basically if i die here, then that means there is 1 maf on Cook wagon, and 1 maf off the cook wagon.
Assuming Cook is Town

That is only if I die here, it's possible that there are 2 maf on Cook, but I kinda doubt it since im on it. So idk we'll see what happenz

Well, since I am basically confirmed town and so is Cook

I'm hopping on my vanity wagon

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

Yea I just don't really feel any town vibes from you, and your posts are long and complicated. So I am good taking a chance here, especially as the odds increase.

I think i unironically may die tonight at this point. Everyone start scumreading me so maf dont kill me.

Lowkey want to fade gob simply because he keeps calling himself town

That's not even really my point. I am moreso saying I am so good the mafia need to kill me if they want any semblance of a normal game. I basically have this setup solved and im not joking.

I think gob has jumped to my top scumread except whoever I'm voting atm

That was a quick turnaround. You may be mafia here.

[gob]

Not really anywhere on them to be honest. I dont want to lim a hydra day 1 though thats lame

I find this interesting and would like to discuss it, but the last time I made a post about theory it "pinged" some people.

What i said is sort of unrelated to theory, I just don't want to lim a hydra since thats unfun. But you can say whatever and I'll read it and give you the benefit of the doubt.

[gob]

I basically have this setup solved and im not joking.

Cool,who are the scum?

Well I need to live one phase first. It actually is why i am shit. Because a good player would be able to solve the game on Day 1 here. I would say I have some strong TR's for this day 1 though.

[gob]

you and some other people.

There is a decent chance a deep wolf in one of my strong TRs but the other wolf is probably out of it.

[gob]

I'll be honest. I am so full of energy and there is nothing to really do right now in the game for me so I have such an insane desire to do stupid stuff like claim a PR and stuff.

[gob]

You could re-read. I thought the reaction to the supposed hammer felt legit first time through. Just read it again, still feels pretty real.

I would've hammered as either alignment there though. I felt called out by i think it was kyouko. As a person.

Claptastik, who do you think has gone under the radar? Who do you think has the highest potential to be deepwolf? What do you think about my Kyouko scumread
>?

[gob]

I don't like Kyouko's long posts. I feel like they are mostly fluff and commenting on unimportant stuff but in an obtuse manner.

She does this normally, but this game in particular they seem to be more obtuse. So I find that scummy and I'm gonna work to lim her.

I also am not a huge fan of how Elements progressed on me, but actually that probably solidifys Elements as town even more. The progression rubbed me the wrong way, but taking away those bad vibes it was a towny reaction. Because Elements is clearly not caring about whoever TR'd her, and not caring about necessarily having a solid reason for the vote.

You also seem quite easy to talk to. Everything seems good so far. If you're wolfing, I will enjoy playing with you in the future since your tone and logic is towny.

Doc and Drew I got a few town pings from them. Nothing substantial though.

Black I can't remember anything off the top of my head. So I would be down to lim Black today.

Shaddowez. Down to lim today potentially, but not where I want to look right now because Shaddowez is preparing to engage more.

Mizuki. Definitely feels weird and potentially scummy, but also like mislim bait. Not in the sense they're LHF moreso just the gamestate. Would still lim this Day 1.

ssbm_Kyouko. Where I mainly want to go. The long posts and stuff just feels like it's going nowhere.

[gob]

Having typed this all out. My main town reads are Claptastik and Elements. OH and cook. I almost forgot about her.

[gob]

Nah but not limming Shaddowez actually. The way he came back when questioned to engage is more towny than not.

[gob]

Nah but not limming Shaddowez actually. The way he came back when questioned to engage is more towny than not.

Huh? Are you referring to 243? If so, hard disagree.

Not referring to that exactly, moreso his interactions with me after coming back from being vla.

With that said, your situation with snivy. So basically Snivy is SRing you because you didn't respond to me saying you I wanted to lim you and then you ignored it.

I think that is a fine thing to call out. Now if it is a misunderstanding and you didn't actually do that, it's another thing. But could just be a misunderstanding.

[gob]

oof. No but I did mean Shaddowez instead of Snivy there. sorry im a little tired.

[gob]

Idk what you're trying to pull, but if you just quote one thing and say "wow thats a really really really weak reason" yea it looks weak when you frame it like that.

So now I have to consider you could be powerwolfing. Probably me wishful thinking thoever.

but seriously. I read all his posts and think he's out of the lim group for Day 1. Why you acting like I committed a crime?

[gob]

Black could be mafia here

[gob]

Saying you have hard time sinking your teeth in the game is a little scummy to me.

Also can you tell im in a bad mood?

[gob]

We did it kid

[gob]

Naked vote changes never bother me.

[gob]

im not voting the hydra day 1 unless they slipped somehow

[gob]

im not voting the hydra day 1 unless they slipped somehow

Why do you think the Hydra is town?

When did i say the hydra was town? Sometimes i dont vote someone regardless of what their alingment is.

Dont ask me questions like this im in a sour mood

[gob]

im not voting the hydra day 1 unless they slipped somehow

Why do you think the Hydra is town?

When did i say the hydra was town? Sometimes i dont vote someone regardless of what their alingment is.

Dont ask me questions like this im in a sour mood

I think not voting Doc and Drew strictly because they are a hybrid is silly

Do you have a read on them at all?

Not really.

How is it silly lol. Think about it like this. 2 scum alive in one slot = twice the chance to spew eachother and their partner. It’s basically like having 3 mafia but only in the negative way.

Also just less fun if we lim hydras day 1. Let em play

[gob]

didnt read dont care not voting the hydra

[gob]

We're not doing the hydra sorry guys. I think Mizuki is a valid option

[gob]

Can i just get a free pass on explaining myself this game? I'm town and I think my unwillingness to engage with people on their own terms should show that.

I think we go Mizuki here. Claptastik is very towny, frankly the wagon on Claptastik stinks. Mizuki and Shaddowez are both possibly mafia. Doc and rew could be but like i said before, if they are they are prone to spewing so its final to keep them alive.

I would go Mizuki, Shaddowez, and kyouko. Kyouko being more reserved than usual and being on Black here feels odd to me.

[gob]

I would go Mizuki, Shaddowez, and kyouko. Kyouko being more reserved than usual and being on Black here feels odd to me.

I don't really want any of these options

Well I do. So, you gonna compromise or what

[gob]

I would go Mizuki, Shaddowez, and kyouko. Kyouko being more reserved than usual and being on Black here feels odd to me.

I don't really want any of these options

Well I do. So, you gonna compromise or what

No

Why not? You seem to townread me. And frankly I think I'm more confident on my reads than you here.

[gob]

I would go Mizuki, Shaddowez, and kyouko. Kyouko being more reserved than usual and being on Black here feels odd to me.

I don't really want any of these options

Well I do. So, you gonna compromise or what

No

Why not? You seem to townread me. And frankly I think I'm more confident on my reads than you here.

Your biggest townread is pushing Doc and Drew, and I think you still townread me a little. How does that make you feel?

Well first off I don't find Doc and Drew to be particularly scummy. Haven't really read closely of them either.

However I think fundamentally it's silly to lim the hydra here. In a situation like this, the hydra is actually at a big disadvantage if they're scum. You can say "oh but they're scummy lets get em anyway" but that is really not the best way to go about things. I'm all about doing things as optimal as possible, and here limming the hydra, even if they are mafia, is not optimal.

If you want something less mechanical and more concrete about the game, then I think Gamma Emerald herself is prone to spewing as scum. So if she and Drew are mafia, then I think she spews either her partner drew or her other mafia partner.

But the main thing is, it's fundamentally not the right move to lim a Hydra day 1 since you always get double info on all interactions once that slot finally dies.

[gob]

I'm all about doing things as optimal as possible, and here

limming the hydra, even if they are mafia, is not optimal.

This is not a townie thought

It is tho, and it's not like the logic is that hard to follow. You can disagree with it, but it's argument about how best to play the game.

Well first off I don't find Doc and Drew to be particularly scummy. Haven't really read closely of them either.

I thought you didn't have a read on them?

Maybe you should read closer and if you can prove that they're townie I'll reconsider

I'm not proving anything. If you guys want to lim Drew and Doc, I won't stand in the way. I really don't care who dies today, makes no difference to me. But I just prefer not to lim a hydra since it isn't optimal.

But again, I can win even if things don't go perfectly here. So I'm good either way.

[gob]

No i cant really read you drew. You always seem scummy to me basically.

[gob]

Can i just get a free pass on explaining myself this game? I'm town and I think my unwillingness to engage with people on their own terms should show that.

I think we go Mizuki here. Claptastik is very towny, frankly the wagon on Claptastik stinks. Mizuki and Shaddowez are both possibly mafia. Doc and rew could be but like i said before, if they are they are prone to spewing so its final to keep them alive.

I would go Mizuki, Shaddowez, and kyouko. Kyouko being more reserved than usual and being on Black here feels odd to me.

Why the change on shaddowez?

Just PoE. He also hasn't started posting really.

[gob]

Thank god it’s Friday.

Anyway i am still down to lim kyouko. If i die tonight lim kyouko, mizuki, shaddowez

[gob]

You can disagree with it, but it's argument about how best to play the game.

Stealing this

You can steal the words but you cant steal the meaning

[gob]

The words only have one meaning though

Couldnt be more untrue.

Anyway if youre not wolfing, prove it

[gob]

Kyouko seems like obv!wolf to me. Not sure why nobody else sees it

[gob]

Everyone just trust me and sheep me tbh. I am cool.

[gob]

I am ready to lim a scum by chance

[gob]

So what does this mean in conclusion kyouko?

[gob]

I would like to lim Kyouko everyone. I have yet to find a better option.

Who is with me? Kyouko, if youre town here just take the mislim

[gob]

I would like to lim Kyouko everyone. I have yet to find a better option.

Who is with me? Kyouko, if youre town here just take the mislim

I like you gob but I don't see your case on Kyouko. Black's response to you on the last page was pretty accurate.

Sometimes we must let go of our pride and do what is requested of us…

[gob]

I would like to lim Kyouko everyone. I have yet to find a better option.

Who is with me? Kyouko, if youre town here just take the mislim

I like you gob but I don't see your case on Kyouko. Black's response to you on the last page was pretty accurate.

Sometimes we must let go of our pride and do what is requested of us…

You should vote the hydra

You should sheep me. I want this game to be different not the same.

I can win in many ways so i want to win in a way i havent before.

Clap i think shaddowez , mizuki are easy acum here. black kyoko, and you mybe as hard scum.

everyone else is okay to let roam free for now

[quote=Claptastik post_id=14010231 post_num=441 time=<a href="tel:1702063542">1702063542</a> user_id=37127]
[quote=Black post_id=14010229 post_num=439 time=<a href="tel:1702063365">1702063365</a> user_id=36961]
I'm really not satisfied with shaddow's "catch-up"

It's like prying teeth trying to get anything out of him and when he's finally at his PC he gives us next to nothing

I'm just getting the vibe that maybe he's trying to coast through the day and not say much. There's questions in his ISO but I'm not getting the sense that he's all that interested in finding scum

Yep. I'd rather vote shaddow than D&D, but that push didn't go anywhere.
[/quote]

It looks like you, me, and gob are willing to vote there

Not sure about the rest
[/quote]
lets do it

[gob]

Boly Fuk

[gob]

In the meantime pressure kyo and hop on dat wagon. Watch her crumble

[gob]

I admit it, I’m mafia here. Me and Kyo are prtners and im bussing her Day 1 so i can go deep.

[gob]

oh its a wrap

[gob]

shaddowez is practically confirmed scum after that slip

[gob]

i lied about the slip but shaddowez agreed with me…. kinda scummy

[gob]

Im dying tonight if not soon… mafia keep me alive i can make it worth your while. I will reveal my strongest tactic tomorrow.

I’ll obviously use it on you, Mafia one and Mafia two, but you can steal the technique

[gob]

Anti-intent

[gob]

VOTE: Elements

[gob]

is that hammer?

[gob]

Gob what happened to you not wanting to lim elements on d1?

i dont care who dies day1 frankly

[gob]

Gob what happened to you not wanting to lim elements on d1?

i dont care who dies day1 frankly

Then why have you not voted shadow?

jesus dude stop grilling me about stuff i dont care about

[gob]

shaddowez seems good lets go to elemental everyone

[gob]

see now i want to flip shadow and see if one of these is buddying

lets get kyo like elemental said

[gob]

how is it safe to hammer if they are claiming vt like that?

[gob]

how is it safe to hammer if they are claiming vt like that?

Counterpoint: how is it a good idea to try to move the vote elsewhere when we’ve already had two VT claims? I at least respect Elements going for kyouko here because that feels like genuinely attempting to flip scum. You seem more interested in causing as much trouble as possible.
-Drew

If that is what you see then that is what you’ll get.

[gob]

dont do it elemental

[gob]

Elements, can you hammer this?

I can
I'd still prefer kyo

dont do it then

[gob]

Elements, can you hammer this?

I can
I'd still prefer kyo

I've heard kyo's name a zillion times but it never gains traction. It's apparently not happening today.

Seems like kyo is def the wolf then

VOTE: kyoko

[gob]

Convince me

im on the wagon

[gob]

Seems like gob cares a lot about who gets faded actually

Doesnt seem like a helpful comment

[gob]

It's not supposed to be helpful. I don't think it says much about your alignment other than some associative stuff. I'm just calling you out for contradicting yourself

Im not contradicting myself. No i dont care about your logic that says i might be contradicting myself.

Cause i know myself

[gob]

I feel like gob/shaddowez could be the solution, that's part of why I want shaddowez faded. If shaddowez flips red it's game over.

Was this a helpful comment?

It may be helpful for you, it does nothing for me. I also would probably not play like that if i was wolf with shaddowez.

[gob]

Oh ok

So do you care who gets eliminated or not?

I care now. I want to kill whoever i said we should kill.

[gob]

Yea shaddowez doesn't feel like scum though here, so we really should switch.

I still feel like kyoko is the best still, lets do that

[gob]

i think this is VT but whatever need to kill someone today

If so, are there scum on the wagon? Who?

I feel like gob/shaddowez could be the solution, that's part of why I want shaddowez faded. If shaddowez flips red it's game over.

Was this a helpful comment?

Cook or Gob?
I'm thinking Gob

HUH?

[gob]

I know who we limm today i think. hydra Mizuki black or cook.

Elements/Kyoko is also good pool to lim

[gob]

I play 4 keeps

[gob]

I know who we limm today i think. hydra Mizuki black or cook.

Elements/Kyoko is also good pool to lim

so, anyone but you?

well yea for my pools. the first pool 100% has a wolf. the second pool i think has one cause of how the wagons went yesterday (just doesnt seem like a wagon of 2 wolves) but i could be wrong.

Most likely its you/Elements here tho kyoko. as one of the wolves

[gob]

I would be down to fade Mizuki today. I'm not a huge fan of the way she got on the shaddow wagon and she's doing the least out of everyone in the game imo

Still not liking D&D either

i was thinking maybe we limmer you.

if elements/kyoko has maf 100% most likely, we should go there. If you think im town here maybe trust me and go along with my reads?

[gob]

okay but if you want to go elements you are also ccepting yourself as the most optimal counter wagon

[gob]

Join me jigglypuff

kinda think ur maf

[gob]

VOTE: elements

[gob]

Join me jigglypuff

kinda think ur maf

VOTE: elements

Weird shade and then you sheep me?

yea i changed my mind

[gob]

You changed your mind immediately after you said it? o.O

Im dying tonight if not soon… mafia keep me alive i can make it worth your while. I will reveal my strongest tactic tomorrow.

I’ll obviously use it on you, Mafia one and Mafia two, but you can steal the technique

What was this about gob

it was a prediction

[gob]

The fact Cook is voting with me right now makes me think it could be Cook/Kyouko here

[gob]

VOTE: Doc and Drew

Gamma, do something

Do you want my specific input on something?
I was going to say I have doubts about how strong the rolefishing point is but Elements trying to use it to deflect makes any skepticism I can muster feel hollow.
-Drew

I want to know where you stand on every player

I just skinned every player alive

Gob
Kyouko

Black
Mizuki
Cook
Elements

My reads in a general town to scum order. I don’t think Cook + Elements are teamed though so a scumflip out of those 2 puts the other into that top set

-Drew

If Elements flips town then Kyouko is 100% mafia just keep that in mind.

[gob]

If Elements flips town then Kyouko is 100% mafia just keep that in mind.

Do you have any reason for this, or are you just saying things?

i know im town, you and kyoko are the only people off the shaddowez wagon day 1. Furthermore, the night kill was on-wagon implying there is one wolf off wagon

got it?

[gob]

I disagree with your nka

Doesnt realt matter if you disagree cause I know its accurate and reliable, especially in 9p games

[gob]

[gob]

You made some shit up and now you drag it into every game im in, yea not interested

[gob]

I think there's two scum in {D&D, Cook, Mizuki}

Follow my lead here just this once, i have the game wrapped up theoretically

[gob]

Follow your lead? Why don't you work with me and fade Cook who is in your solve?

Also it looks like you agree with me:

I know who we limm today i think. hydra Mizuki black or cook.

I would rather go kyo ele since that certainly has a wolf i think. And the pool is smaller.

I will hunt more seriously at some point but you shading me and stuff has gotta stop. I am town this game and i basically have the winning formula so dont mess it up

[gob]

I don't want kyo or ele, so you can try to recruit elsewhere or you can just suck it up and vote with me on Cook or Mizuki

what if i convince you? lol kind of a weird resp

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I think there's two scum in {D&D, Cook, Mizuki}

Follow my lead here just this once, i have the game wrapped up theoretically
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okay? why are you telling me this?

[gob]

I'm not, I'm telling everyone else

then dont quote me

[gob]

I'm down to lim Doc and Drew after we catch the wolf between kyo/ele

so after i convince everyone to go there we can lime doc and drew on day 4 or 5

[gob]

I'm down to lim Doc and Drew after we catch the wolf between kyo/ele

so after i convince everyone to go there we can lime doc and drew on day 4 or 5

Can I use that lime to make a refreshing gin and tonic?

Why do you not think it is Cook?

-Doc

It could be cook. Im just more certain of ele/kyo

Cook gives me lhf vibes kinda

[gob]

I'm down to lim Doc and Drew after we catch the wolf between kyo/ele

so after i convince everyone to go there we can lime doc and drew on day 4 or 5

Can I use that lime to make a refreshing gin and tonic?

Why do you not think it is Cook?

-Doc

It could be cook. Im just more certain of ele/kyo

Cook gives me lhf vibes kinda

Really? I don't see that all

Can you elaborate?

-Doc

About what cook or ele/kyo?

If you dont think Cook is LHF then they're not LHF. I haven't been paying that close of attention their posts.

[gob]

its probably not cook here

[gob]

rolling my eyes irl

[gob]

rolling my eyes irl

Can you explain why you don't think it's Cook here

Never said it wasnt cook

[gob]

rolling my eyes irl

Can you explain why you don't think it's Cook here

Never said it wasnt cook

You literally just said "it's probably not Cook here"

Why do you think that

i mean as the lim today. I think kyo/ele makes more sense.

Anyways im gonna stop responding as much until i get the motivation to research and explain everything

[gob]

Well i am not gonna let you guys flip Cook here today, unless I change my mind on Cook.

Or at least try to steer it to Ele/Kyo

[gob]

Well i am not gonna let you guys flip Cook here today,

unless I change my mind on Cook.

So you

do

think she's town?

I don't really feel one way or the other on Cook. The fact so many people are gunning for Cook here though, does make me think Cook is town though.

Especially when I feel like kyo/ele is locked but whatever not many people get that

[gob]

822 is basically what i've been saying though. 824 is just clarification too. Those 2 quotes shouldn't be in there so idk why you put those in, kind of bad faith.

691 was before I did my wagon analysis.
773 i did feel at the time, but it was mainly to see how cook would react

[gob]

There really is nothing here.

Let us focus on ele/kyo

[gob]

Let us focus on ele/kyo

Do you have reads on either of other besides "props one scum off wagon"?

Not right now. Thats just where im gonna start. I haven't done any solving besides those 2 PoE.

There really is nothing here.

Let us focus on ele/kyo

We're not going Elements or Kyouko

We go Cook or Mizuki, or we can fade you instead

Your choice

Anyway I can convince you otherwise? Or are you married to Cook/Miz

[gob]

Good morning Black.

Time i impress everyone

[gob]

shaddowez

(EXECUTED):

Claptastik

, Doc and Drew, Mizuki, Black, Cook
ssbm_Kyouko (2): Elements,

gob

Elements (1): ssbm_Kyouko
Claptastik (1):

shaddowez

On a mislim wagon Day 1, there is always at least one wolf. Given the night kill was on the shaddowez wagon (Claptastik) I find it more likely there is 1 mafia on shaddowez and 1 mafia off. Why? Because if the mafia NK'd Claptastik on the main shaddowez wagon, it means they aren't scared of making the PoE from the main-wagon being 50/50 with 2 mafia in it.

This leaves Elements / ssbm_kyouko

Between the two I find ssbm_kyouko far more likely to mafia. The main reason is I feel she isn't being as forceful and open as normally. It feels like she was playing scared. Not to mention the difference in activity.

For the on-wagon wolf.

First off I want to mention that Elements and Kyoko together also have w/w equity but that is relatively unlikely. Elements is hard to read at EoD1 for me, but I lean kyoko over Ele for that PoE.

Anyway for the on-wagon wolf,

I don't really find Cook's play at EoD1 to indicate they're wolf. It's possible Cook is trying to go TWTBAW but it just seems really attention-drawing in a bad way for no reason. Doc and Drew, Mizuki, Black is who I would look at in that PoE. Frankly I feel like they all have wolf equity which is why I dont really want to lim in that pool today.

If I were to guess right now though, Doc and Drew. A lot of Drew's engagement feels fake af.

[gob]

Gob
If both red were on the Shadow wagon who do they kill off wagon?
Kyouko or Elements - both of us were possible counter wagons so potentialyl mislimable
So probably you?

Me probably yea.

[gob]

I'm not really sure why everyone is allergic to Elements/Kyoko

Especially Kyouko.

[gob]

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

Lets run it up

[gob]

One of the 3 living players off-wagon is me. I know I am town so that is a moot point. Obviously for you own personal analysis you can do whatever.

I do agree that both scum could be off wagon, however its REALLY unlikely. And if it does exist, it's you and elements. From everyone else's perspective it could be me/ele/kyo of course.
HOWEVER, the night kill being on the main wagon heavily implies there is a wolf off the wagon in this scenario. If there wasn't a wolf off wagon, then the wolf team 100% would've killed off-wagon. Since if they don't kill off wagon in that scenario, they are making the PoE pool of people on the mislim a 50/50. As I explained before.

So there is logic to think there isn't 2 wolves off wagon.

I do understand the PR logic, though. That is all fair. I dont think if im wrong its a loss though lol. However idk, maybe you are right.

You actually are probably right in a way. Like it is most likely one wolf off one wolf on still, but you're right in that if im wrong it's a loss. So the correct play is to go for the wolf on the wagon here. From my point of view it obviously heavily leans ele/kyo but from a more logical neutral view going for the wolf who mislimmed Shaddowez makes more sense.

However in taht I still don't feel Cook is sus so whatever. I feel like too much time has been spent on her at least. We need to sus everyone else who was on that wagon.

I just feel like Black and Mizuki could both possible be scum here. Mizuki the whole AtE angle could come from scum. Some of black's logic in the game I've felt are kind of too easy and too eager also. I'll probably go more indepth there l8r.

Mainly Drew's posts. Gamma not posting that much also pings me but whatever. It just doesn't feel like town drew to me.

[gob]

Votecount 1.17


shaddowez (E-1): Claptastik, Doc and Drew, Mizuki, Black
Elements (2): Cook, ssbm_Kyouko
ssbm_Kyouko (2): Elements, gob
Claptastik (1): shaddowez


This one is also kinda telling. Elements and Kyoko are the counter wagons at this point. Earlier it was Doc and Drew and Claptastik btw.

I feel better going Ele/Kyo here. And if i go on wagon, I probably go Doc & Drew.

Anyway tonight I die for sure LOL so yea. If/when i do die, Ele/Kyo i think almost certainly contains a wolf. Doc & Drew is who I would go for on-wagon for shaddowez. Then Mizuki/Black/Cook. Cook I feel like has too much sus on them to really be wolf lol. Could be wrong of course. But the way she jumped on Shaddowez at the EoD1 doesn't really seem like a mafia to me. She would have to be TWTBAW'ing be she really isn't doing that in other ways.

The other people I don't feel good enough talking about since I haven't read their EoD1's.

[gob]

How about we find one mafia before talking about pairings.

The fact so many people are devoting brain power to Cook + me being a team when I know I'm not mafia at least is a little baffling. If you think I am scummy, then explain why I am scummy. But to blanketly say "they could be a pair lol" is not helpful. It doesn't give any insightful commentary on either of our posts. It doesn't explain why my defense of Cook is wrong or misplaced. All it is a worthless shade.

[gob]

What exactly is your conclusion Kyouko? You saying Elements is mafia here?

I take some issue with this analysis cause a lot of it is assuming things.

[gob]

Everyone list your height.

We will listen to the tallest person here

Ill start

6’5 or 196cm

[gob]

Titus replaces Black.

Downgrade of the CENTURY!!!!!!!

Welcome Titus.

We are currently prepping to lim Kyoko here

[gob]

Its pretty impossible for ele and kyo to both not be mafia. Highly unlikely

[gob]

Its pretty impossible for ele and kyo to both not be mafia. Highly unlikely

Why?

both off wagon, plus on-wagon doesnt feel like 2 maf on to me. Plus Kyo and Ele were both the counter wagons, so there js that

[gob]

given how slow the pace got today i think im either totally right or totally wrong

i lean towards totally right cause at this point its pretty good odds

[gob]

With all this said, one look at Element's early day 1 makes me wanna lim them over Kyouko

[gob]

With all this said, one look at Element's early day 1 makes me wanna lim them over Kyouko

Isn't that just like, all my day ones though

Yea im comparing them and I kinda feel that way. Although how you opened 893 and this game is different.

But iirc Kyouko has also been out of her normal meta.

I'd like to hear what other people have to say about those two. I do think the VCA and NKA I did is solid and checks out, aka Ele/Kyo (or me but nobody has the gall to fight me here). Btw the reason i was so keen on being off shaddowez (or any main wag) day 1 was for this reason. To make my PoE day 2 as small as possible.

[gob]

Alright guys just follow my lead and go Kyo/ele.

I'm not sure which but I'd probably go Kyo -> Ele since Kyo is more easily deep wolf.

[gob]

good games

[gob]

Elements did their thing