Mini 2321: Classic Commercials (Postgame)

[SirCakez]

wassup
VOTE: gob

[SirCakez]

v busy today but starting tomorrow I'll have a lot of free time to get in here

[SirCakez]

I swear I'll be here tonight

[SirCakez]

read first six pages so far
Rce and flavor leaf seem scummy
gob and hu tao feel townie
bingle maybe a tiny bit town?

I continue

[SirCakez]

UNVOTE:

[SirCakez]

167 seems like town Bingle that's some nice scum hunting

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Flavor

Kill Vanilla Townie with little claims, and move from there.

Still the best town victory strat lately.

if we're already going down this route might as well lim Flavor now

VOTE: flavor leaf

[SirCakez]

Cakez is also probably scum

Just have a feeling

also a scummy ass post

[SirCakez]

Can Kyouko and Dunn explain the AnimatedWiz votes bc I am possibly amenable to that wagon too but I need to here why u guys went there

[SirCakez]

need to hear*

[SirCakez]

I think SirCakes is scum cause he usually does this slank type shit as scum (i taught him)

But i dont want to lim him, i want to play with him

wack I haven't even done anything yet

[SirCakez]

I think this is where I'm at right now:

FL - Seemed to try and get the game moving when it was slow early on. Early gut townread.
RCE - Bold statement trusting people early on that I agree with Hu Tao, I'm not convinced scum would do that early.

Hu tao - feels different to me than last game i played with them, where they were scum, which makes me kind of want to townread, but not confidently
gob - my brain is telling me that gob is being weird, but my gut is still telling me he's town, so I'm still conflicted here.

Bingle - struggling to read properly, but they haven't done anything inherently scum indicative
Roden - a lot of short posts that also read as quite fluffy to me. I also didn't really like the quicklim comment, which I'll wait for an explanation about before I decide here.
Wiz - I was leaning town on him, but Kyouko has kind of begun convincing me I may have been wrong about this.

Cele - Their catchup seemed to be echoing others points/points that were already made, but I guess that could be genuine as there probably aren't a lot of points left unmade yet.
Kyouko - mostly gut, mainly because again, to me her play just feels different than I remember it being?
Naerys - I still think could be scum, but I could be convinced to give her the benefit of the doubt and see if my perception changes on Day 2, to see if they are just weak on Day 1 like she claims.

Dunn - I've mentioned my suspicions on him already - i dislike not holding every slot to the same standards, while also doing (or in this case not doing) what he was questioning other slots about.

Not enough info:
Sircakez

this reads list is pretty bad
every read has basically a cop out scenario like there's no conviction behind it at all

[SirCakez]

I think SirCakes is scum cause he usually does this slank type shit as scum (i taught him)

But i dont want to lim him, i want to play with him

@cakez can you confirm/deny this endorsement? Further, can you confirm gob likes to scumslank? Further further, hey, how’s it goin?

maybe sometimes but it depends on the game and how salty I am lol
gob idk I don't have recent meta at all
good hows it going?

[SirCakez]

im taking back my gob townread too many sketchy posts

[SirCakez]

i can't believe I didn't post for two irl days and yet somehow still became a major topic of discussion early on day one
this always happens to me

[SirCakez]

Solid town: Thomith - solves, his analysis feels logical and well thought
Maybe town: Flavor - he is aloof, but observing
Bingle -laid back at the beginning, but later he feels like he is trying to sort people

Null: Gob - unreadable pink fluff filled with pink fluff
Plus bunch of people that need to post more -Hu, SirCakez, Cele

Scumlean: Roden - doesnt do much, just some empty sentences
Kyou: Slightly better than Roden, might replace some lurkers in the null reads tbh, i feel like scum is trying to stay in the shadows at this moment

Second scum detected.

This game might be easy.

I also thought that Naerys post was not great, like tonally the reads feel kinda made up like FL null town for being aloof and observing? That doesn't make any sense

[SirCakez]

Solid town: Thomith - solves, his analysis feels logical and well thought
Maybe town: Flavor - he is aloof, but observing
Bingle -laid back at the beginning, but later he feels like he is trying to sort people

Null: Gob - unreadable pink fluff filled with pink fluff
Plus bunch of people that need to post more -Hu, SirCakez, Cele

Scumlean: Roden - doesnt do much, just some empty sentences
Kyou: Slightly better than Roden, might replace some lurkers in the null reads tbh, i feel like scum is trying to stay in the shadows at this moment

Second scum detected.

This game might be easy.

Why does this post make Naerys scum?

oh man lol

[SirCakez]

okay so some games I don't know who to vote and get stuck
this is not one of them lmaoo
I want to yeet like half this player list rn
however I think the best person to get out of here ASAP day one is flavor leaf, bc dude is posting like scum and even if he's town he's already making me think he's going to self implode this game so might as well get it over with now

[SirCakez]

okay so some games I don't know who to vote and get stuck
this is not one of them lmaoo
I want to yeet like half this player list rn
however I think the best person to get out of here ASAP day one is flavor leaf, bc dude is posting like scum and even if he's town he's already making me think he's going to self implode this game so might as well get it over with now

Who is the half of the player list you want to yeet?
Why do you want to yeet them?

Rn, I'd be down to yeet FL, you, AnimatedWiz, RCE, Naerys and potentially gob. All of the reasons for these can be found in the post burst on this page I did last night.

[SirCakez]

or on the last page rather

[SirCakez]

okay so some games I don't know who to vote and get stuck
this is not one of them lmaoo
I want to yeet like half this player list rn
however I think the best person to get out of here ASAP day one is flavor leaf, bc dude is posting like scum and even if he's town he's already making me think he's going to self implode this game so might as well get it over with now

Aside from Flavor, who else do you think is good to lim?

See above

[SirCakez]

yea imma need more than that SirCakez, we got like 5 or 9 days too so we got the time 2 hash this out.

I don't like how you leaned so heavily into talking about me before I even showed up. It felt very much like a positioning plot and possibly even buddying.

[SirCakez]

I think this is where I'm at right now:

FL - Seemed to try and get the game moving when it was slow early on. Early gut townread.
RCE - Bold statement trusting people early on that I agree with Hu Tao, I'm not convinced scum would do that early.

Hu tao - feels different to me than last game i played with them, where they were scum, which makes me kind of want to townread, but not confidently
gob - my brain is telling me that gob is being weird, but my gut is still telling me he's town, so I'm still conflicted here.

Bingle - struggling to read properly, but they haven't done anything inherently scum indicative
Roden - a lot of short posts that also read as quite fluffy to me. I also didn't really like the quicklim comment, which I'll wait for an explanation about before I decide here.
Wiz - I was leaning town on him, but Kyouko has kind of begun convincing me I may have been wrong about this.

Cele - Their catchup seemed to be echoing others points/points that were already made, but I guess that could be genuine as there probably aren't a lot of points left unmade yet.
Kyouko - mostly gut, mainly because again, to me her play just feels different than I remember it being?
Naerys - I still think could be scum, but I could be convinced to give her the benefit of the doubt and see if my perception changes on Day 2, to see if they are just weak on Day 1 like she claims.

Dunn - I've mentioned my suspicions on him already - i dislike not holding every slot to the same standards, while also doing (or in this case not doing) what he was questioning other slots about.

Not enough info:
Sircakez

this reads list is pretty bad
every read has basically a cop out scenario like there's no conviction behind it at all

Sure, I admit that is true because I'm not confident on my reads yet, so this list almost definitely changes as times go on.
I'm not going to lie and claim I definitely think people are town/scum because I'm not yet.

You said later on that you want to fade half the player list, insinuating that you find them scummy, but then don't even state who those players are. How is that any different/better?

Okay so you should understand why that looks suspicious from the outside.
The reason I didn't write it out last night was because I wanted to see how FL was going to react and he predictably immediately declared me scum and spent six posts attacking me. I don't see the connection between that and your wishy washy reads list at all so this looks like a deflective tactic.

[SirCakez]

Bingle is my strongest TR by far btw
weaker townreads include Roden, Dunn, Kyouko

[SirCakez]

ugh I guess I do need to respond to FL's posts but it feels so pointless, it's just gonna be a shit flinging fest

[SirCakez]

I'm also open to meta arguments on most people in this game, I don't know many of these players well so if someone can bring good meta to the table I'm interested

[SirCakez]

I'm also open to meta arguments on most people in this game, I don't know many of these players well so if someone can bring good meta to the table I'm interested

im BARFING at this post

Someone tel me if this is town sircakez tho

What kind of thought process is this

[SirCakez]

Can Kyouko and Dunn explain the AnimatedWiz votes bc I am possibly amenable to that wagon too but I need to here why u guys went there

I thought he was TMIing town!gob, but his last post where he unvotes me doesn't seem like something scum would do with FL shading me. I've been more warming up to the possibility that gob is scum here which is why I was asking Bingle if he thinks it's possible FL buses here.

I'm taking into consideration that Bingle thinks FL would not try to powerwolf in a lobby with Bingle, but FLs approach to my slot has been nasty this game. I noticed after I pointed out how I like to be called, he started spelling the whole thing out incorrectly. That feels intentional. I know this sounds dumb to address the way he's spelling my name but I get the sense it's intentional emotional warfare. He ignored my RVS interaction as well, which is where this whole thing started. Also doesnt help he's arrived at opposite conclusions to me initially, though I have come around on town!Thomith and more recently town!AWiz and scum!gob, so idk.

I think the bottom line is I don't like FL in this game regardless of his alignment

I like it, but what made you change your mind on Wiz and Thom?

[SirCakez]

Roden is also maf forgot bout him

roden cakez flavor

terrible solve I never open up attacking my buddy FL here

[SirCakez]

I'm also open to meta arguments on most people in this game, I don't know many of these players well so if someone can bring good meta to the table I'm interested

im BARFING at this post

Someone tel me if this is town sircakez tho

What kind of thought process is this

Is this you saying you think its a scummy thought process? Why?

Yes, because him barfing implies he finds it scummy, but then he immediately asks for someone to tell him if I'm townie. Where's the follow through?

[SirCakez]

I think we just lim Cakez here. If he's town, it's his fault. Not even really joking although many may take it as a joke.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: RCenigma

[SirCakez]

VOTE: gob

Fine by me. I’ll take the benefit for my meta here since nobody is playing how i want them to anyway.

What do you mean by nobody is playing how you want them to?

Exactly what i said. People arent pressuring kyoko, cakez and other people at the rate i deem good.

Why do you even think Im scum

[SirCakez]

we circled back around to just doing Gob? I need to read last few pages

[SirCakez]

we circled back around to just doing Gob? I need to read last few pages

i keep telling you guys flavor is mafia here.

Anyway at least dont hammer me so i can give some real opinions before i die

I feel like you tell me a different thing every time I'm in thread

[SirCakez]

Pretty busy today and tmrw cuz I'm flying home
The Gob lim stinks to me a bit, dude definitely didn't help himself lmfao
But I still think scum had their hands in that

[SirCakez]

VOTE: naerys I think this is a good suspect

[SirCakez]

Okay I'm done traveling home on break etc etc can we not hammer yet cuz I actually want to play today

[SirCakez]

okay I owe y'all a lot of content and a read and it will happen tomorrow morning or I will self vote til I do it

[SirCakez]

ok i still have to read a bit but i just want to play this game so lets get in here

[SirCakez]

the fact that the Celebloki is Thomith, FL, Naerys, and Dunnstral wagon starts to pick up steam again is a really good sign of CeleblokiScum.

elaborate? i could be open to this wagon Cele didn't make an impression on me at all day one and his posts on this page did not feel great (kinda reads forced and unnatural to me)

[SirCakez]

Bingle and FL agreeing on the Cele wagon makes me feel pretty good about it anyways, i don't think they are both scum this game and i trust their reads esp since im disengaged

[SirCakez]

Then vote me out to break up some of those misconceptions. See my flip and maybe let the game start progressing instead of flaccidly plodding along. Pay attention to who let me egg them onto my wagon and who avoided it with a ten foot pole.

At this point I do think FL is probably scum. I think Thomith is confused about what I going on about and Naerys let me egg her onto my wagon. Maybe Bingle is town.

idk why people think I'm panicking, I'm pushing my own wagon since it's the only one people seem to care about. I'm not trying to get people off of it lol. I don't consider what I'm doing as throwing btw. I'm pulling a D1 FL that my flip will maybe galvanize the game to start moving forward.

Why are you acting like your fate is sealed? There's an equal counter wagon and a lot of time left today..

[SirCakez]

You are going off the assumption that mafia are scrambling to try to save me and piling onto you. I'm not mafia so likely mafia are instead sitting back doing nothing, if you are town. I find Thomith's current position suspect, they apparently want to vote me out but are voting for you instead. AnimatedWiz's iso is 85% about me and 10% defending themself. I mean look at this:

Spoiler:

Hu Tao pops in every so often to say we should eliminate someone but gives no reasoning and then makes a filler post and leaves, and then 24 hours later comes back in and says we should eliminate the same person again with no new reasoning. SirCakez seems to be busy but is angling for you in their latest post - it's a bit of a mystery what they think about me. RCEnigma's last post is saying we need votes for pressure and they're the only player not voting. They have offered some talk of the wagon but not much else, including not giving a clear stance - they just call it 'interesting'.

I need to read the back pages before I have a take on you because it seems like the wagon formed while I wasn't here

[SirCakez]

Ok I'm reading from the start of d2

[SirCakez]

Honestly I'm reading trying to solve and I'm terrible at reading Dunn so it might just be better for me to sheep someone on him

[SirCakez]

UNVOTE: I think I was still on Naerys but that wagon doesn't seem to be viable

[SirCakez]

FL's posts today have made me feel better about him, he reads tonally uninformed and his solving feels more genuine I think

[SirCakez]

Okay I'm done traveling home on break etc etc can we not hammer yet cuz I actually want to play today

Oh shit, cakez is back. Someone hammer!

[SirCakez]

It looks like Hu Tao has done basically nothing today I'd be down for that wagon

[SirCakez]

VOTE: naerys I think this is a good suspect

Okay I'm done traveling home on break etc etc can we not hammer yet cuz I actually want to play today

I want to see the follow up to this. I don't think Cakez and Naerys are paired, but their reads on each other don't feel TvT either.

Her posts have felt like she's trying not to rock the boat yesterday and today, although she did mention being busy with work so I'm sympathetic enough to give her a chance to cook here

[SirCakez]

Gonna need some votes for pressure.

What's the point of this post

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Dunnstral.

I’m not a fan of how everyone backed off this slot, even if I do understand the desire to not shorten D2 into a sprint.

This feels like a misrepresentation of events - I didn't really see anyone "backing off" Dunn

[SirCakez]

You are going off the assumption that mafia are scrambling to try to save me and piling onto you. I'm not mafia so likely mafia are instead sitting back doing nothing, if you are town. I find Thomith's current position suspect, they apparently want to vote me out but are voting for you instead. AnimatedWiz's iso is 85% about me and 10% defending themself. I mean look at this:

Spoiler:

Hu Tao pops in every so often to say we should eliminate someone but gives no reasoning and then makes a filler post and leaves, and then 24 hours later comes back in and says we should eliminate the same person again with no new reasoning. SirCakez seems to be busy but is angling for you in their latest post - it's a bit of a mystery what they think about me. RCEnigma's last post is saying we need votes for pressure and they're the only player not voting. They have offered some talk of the wagon but not much else, including not giving a clear stance - they just call it 'interesting'.

I don't know if this makes him town but this post makes a lot of sense to me. I don't think I'd be interested in a Dunn elim today at least.

[SirCakez]

I also got really, REALLY, bored with this game yesterday and decided to start playing more unhinged and try to get reactions out of people. I'm still figuring out how this is working out for me. If you guys do vote me off, I almost suspect the people off my wagon look worse. With the way I've been playing I think scum would want to avoid my wagon rather that get behind it.

This kind of stuff reads like flailing scum to me, like Cele doesn't know what to do to get out of the situation and is just flinging out posts
I'd join the wagon but don't want to put to E-1 so I'll go here instead

VOTE: hu tao

[SirCakez]

Like I'm looking at Hu's iso rn and they are just so vague about so much. They'll declare reads but give no explanation why and their vote movements seem to be driven more by the way the thread seems to be going then by their own scumhunting

[SirCakez]

Celeb claim

[SirCakez]

Welcome to the Hu Tao experience

[SirCakez]

Hmm potentially confirmable

[SirCakez]

Can we do Hu Tao or RCE instead?

[SirCakez]

I can't see the town thoughts driving Hu Tao's posts. FL is right that it looks like they are just writing whatever gets them in a better position rather then legitimate scumhunting

[SirCakez]

I remove FL from prob town to not sure anymore.

This just seems fake AF to me

[SirCakez]

I can't see the town thoughts driving Hu Tao's posts. FL is right that it looks like they are just writing whatever gets them in a better position rather then legitimate scumhunting

What posts are putting me in a better position

Like the post I just quoted, it looks like you're dropping FL in your reads so you can fling stuff back at him more easily

[SirCakez]

VOTE: naerys I think this is a good suspect

Okay I'm done traveling home on break etc etc can we not hammer yet cuz I actually want to play today

I want to see the follow up to this. I don't think Cakez and Naerys are paired, but their reads on each other don't feel TvT either.

Her posts have felt like she's trying not to rock the boat yesterday and today, although she did mention being busy with work so I'm sympathetic enough to give her a chance to cook here

This is my current take on Naerys

[SirCakez]

Okay let's vote Naerys then. I'm busing my partner.

VOTE: Naerys

Why would I do this when I just said that I want to give her time to play

[SirCakez]

Oh, it's Wiz, Hu Tao, and RCEnigma.

I could see this

[SirCakez]

@Naerys Bingle has felt town to me this game, FL I suspected day one but his play today looks like legit scumhunting and not like the weird scum mastermind tone he had when we limmed him as scum kinda recently. Roden I don't have a take on rn, he's honestly been totally off my radar

[SirCakez]

Oh, it's Wiz, Hu Tao, and RCEnigma.

I could see this

I still think RCE is town from day 1

why

[SirCakez]

Why do people think Celeb will be able to prove his role tonight? He already claimed that he was blocked last night.

I don’t expect he’ll be able to prove his role, I expect, if town, that he’ll be a roleblock that doesn’t get used on our other power roles. Also, even a “I was roleblocked but targeted X” is a thing that potentially gets us information after he flips.

TBC, my reasoning here is thus:

Celeb soaks a roleblock that scum could use on someone else if town. If Celeb is scum, he's hard guiltied by ANYONE else claiming to be roleblocked while he has no action, which is a thing we can look at as we get closer to limlo. If we flip a scumblocker, suddenly it's incredibly likely Celeb is town.

If Celeb is scum, it's not worth it for a blocked player to out to CC right now because that gives scum knowledge about whether they targeted well and narrows their nk choices a lot. He's also pretty well backed into a corner wrt needing to contribute and make NA choices that actually make sense. And if he is scum, it's

very likely that he's a scum VC or similar that got targeted by a town blocker

here, which means there's extra eggshells to walk on to prevent showing scum who they need to be worried about. ScumCeleb 100% would attempt to out "I was blocked" in the hopes that a town JK or RB would out to corroborate, saving him and also signing their own death warrant.

teal deer, Celeb isn't a good fade for today, even if he does look sketch as fuck, because he probably gets solved before limlo regardless and this is the part of the game where we lim people we're unsure of to make the game winnable long term.

Bingle is spitting facts here
Celeb is not a good elim today, maybe down the line once we have more info

[SirCakez]

if we mass claim and there's an obvious spot in the PR claims for an investigative role then Cele will be cleared by mech alone
Or scum might be forced to NK Cele if he is legit, a guilty could force a 1v1 on them

[SirCakez]

I could do AWiz

[SirCakez]

im scared now

[SirCakez]

VOTE: awiz

[SirCakez]

UNVOTE: can we just go back to Hu Tao

[SirCakez]

UNVOTE: can we just go back to Hu Tao

Why? Don't want to try to scumhunt here with more info?

I don't want to touch Celeb or Wiz til a night goes by, that's when we will actually get some info

[SirCakez]

Fuck off this wagon is bullshit

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Cakez

VOTE: Cakez

I'm still fine with cakes

VOTE: Cakez

Of the options mentioned I'm most okay with this for now.

VOTE: SirCakez

That should be E-2

what am I even being voted for? At least with Celeb and Wiz there were decent reasonings outlined in thread. This looks to me like there was scum in the other suggested wagons today and they're happy to get over to me ASAP

[SirCakez]

FL your swing onto me is bad and you know it is
I don't know if I even buy you suddenly TRing Hu and trying to lim me or if it's some FL reaction test wizardry shit or if you are just scum

[SirCakez]

Who was the Scum being voted though?

Still think it's Hu Tao

[SirCakez]

I'm not interested in a Bingle lim I think he's very town here and I caught him D1 before in a game when no one else thought he was scum

[SirCakez]

ok so it's NAI then, same as I think your move here is prolly NAI too
why did you change your mind about Hu Tao?

[SirCakez]

I also sheeped one of my strongest town reads in Roden, so again, poor reasoning on the ‘flip’. You also know i specifically flip flop a lot, especially around this time.

I'm accounting for that in "FL reaction test wizardry shit"

[SirCakez]

Who was the Scum being voted though?

Still think it's Hu Tao

And I don't really have a strong take on Roden or Thomith yet so there could easily be a partner there too

[SirCakez]

Just cuz i scum read someone doesn’t mean i think they’re scum duh

Wtf

[SirCakez]

Who was the Scum being voted though?

Still think it's Hu Tao

And I don't really have a strong take on Roden or Thomith yet so there could easily be a partner there too

I voted you earlier and said that you and Naerys contained one scum; you didn't seem to think much of it.

what are you trying to say here, I'm confused

[SirCakez]

Well I haven’t been here so. Pretty much.

why don't do you do something when you are here?

[SirCakez]

Unfortunately, Bingle. You've committed the unforgivable crime of trying to eliminate me when I'm town. Punishment is eliminating you.

And others have gotten townier than you like Dunn

Hu Tao is so scummy and continues to show it
I don't believe this is a legit town thought process at all

[SirCakez]

I don't think you actually think Bingle is scummy because he's trying to eliminate you

[SirCakez]

Confirmed vanilla means nothing

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Bingle.

-snip-

Bingle, out of everyone here, has continuously felt the most like he’s playing a part (like he’s reciting a script), and I’ve felt it since early on D1. I would really like us all to consider working together to vote him out here.

I don't understand this at all

[SirCakez]

can't believe I'm really out here defending Bingle rn

[SirCakez]

-snip-

Confirmed vanilla means nothing

How so?

bc they can still be Goon

[SirCakez]

Confirmed vanilla means nothing

It means they didn't roadblock Celeb, like he was suggesting.

It also means they aren't a scum PR which Bingle also seemed to be suggesting (but has since clarified this)

ok I missed the part where Bingle was arguing that, ya no that's not right

[SirCakez]

I think solidifying our votes down to Hu Tao or Bingle is probably the only way we’ll actually get an elimination through today, considering we have less than 48 hours left in D2.

I would definitely prefer for Bingle to go over Hu Tao, but I think either going will get us more information once they flip and we see how people read them and such.

Yes let's pick between these two, I hope it's Hu but even if it is Bingle we will get a lot of info

[SirCakez]

flavor

VC 1.FINAL

VC 1.FINAL

gob (7): Roden, ssbm_kyouko, AnimatedWiz, Naerys, Flavor Leaf, RCEnigma, Dunnstral

SirCakez (2): Thomith, Hu Tao
RCEnigma (1): SirCakez
ssbm_kyouko (1): Celebloki
Flavor Leaf (1): gob
Roden (1): Bingle

Not voting (0):

It takes 7 votes to eliminate someone.

Deadline: (expired on 2023-12-18 16:10:00).

Me and fl can’t be nked this is gonna be pretty quick.

VOTE: gob

I think RCE is good choice for finding scum. His joining that gob wagon was just bad. He doesnt share reads, he does nothing except hiding in shadows.
As for other 2 scum its hard to say. I TR you,Dunn and Roden so that leaves FL and Cakez.

Limming RCE and investigating FL feels like a good move. If FL is town then i will need to rethink my reads

or yeah I could get behind a RCE elim but that's a lot less info

[SirCakez]

Can we just flip Cakez

Flipping Hu Tao or Bingle makes no sense if we're against flipping Celeb today, because their alignments are tied to Celeb and Wiz and may become more clear once/if they act tonight

Terrible take

[SirCakez]

Omg this game

[SirCakez]

I'm a VT

[SirCakez]

This is so shit, why am I suddenly the wagon here? What is the info obtained from flipping me here? Literally nothing. It was already agreed by like multiple people that we need to get rid of Hu Tao, Bingle or one of the PR claims to actually work on solving this game.
This feels so scum driven

[SirCakez]

To me it seems like cakez hasn't been trying to figure out my alignment and has just been quoting posts saying that I'm scummy without trying to ask questions or get my point of view

You have basically been engaging with me hostilely from the start. I don't know how I could have even approached you in that manner.

[SirCakez]

I can't see the town thoughts driving Hu Tao's posts. FL is right that it looks like they are just writing whatever gets them in a better position rather then legitimate scumhunting

I remove FL from prob town to not sure anymore.

This just seems fake AF to me

I can't see the town thoughts driving Hu Tao's posts. FL is right that it looks like they are just writing whatever gets them in a better position rather then legitimate scumhunting

What posts are putting me in a better position

Like the post I just quoted, it looks like you're dropping FL in your reads so you can fling stuff back at him more easily

Like here, he never tried to get where I was coming from before voting. It didn't seem like he was asking any questions before coming to the conclusion that I'm scum

This doesn't even make sense, I literally said "I can't see the town thoughts in these posts," that's a major part of why I think you're scum, because I can't get where you're coming from.

[SirCakez]

Why are you clenching your fists and stomping your feet here? You've barely been around. Half the time I see your posts, you're promising to give more content later, but then when you do show up your posts show so little investment in the game. Like I'd understand being upset if you just randomly got flash wagon'd after putting in effort to solve for a month, but you've

been

getting sussed out for awhile now.

I don't think this is an accurate take on my play this game at all. I feel I have been pretty invested especially later today because I'm actually developing some reads I feel good about. I hate how you're trying to hand wave me being mad away without actually addressing the underlying reasoning for that - because both times the wagon has been mostly naked votes and hurr durr compromise votes with little in the way of people actually talking about why they think I'm scummy

[SirCakez]

I think solidifying our votes down to Hu Tao or Bingle is probably the only way we’ll actually get an elimination through today, considering we have less than 48 hours left in D2.

I would definitely prefer for Bingle to go over Hu Tao, but I think either going will get us more information once they flip and we see how people read them and such.

Yes let's pick between these two, I hope it's Hu but even if it is Bingle we will get a lot of info

I left the game thinking the game was going this way
I come back at L-1 with a claim being demanded. If anything I would think it would be suspicious if I wasn't pissed off here.

[SirCakez]

The only person on my wagon who actually has a SR they're talked about is Hu Tao and they are scummy for other reasons anyway

[SirCakez]

You just said you don't think she's good at playing scum

I didn't specify that she's bad at scum. I believe she's too self oriented to be good at the game in general. That has nothing to do with complex strategies, just personality.

This is a fair criticism. I think it started from when I went on vacation and didn't have enough time to play and it carried over to the holidays. I'll try to change this though going forward.

In my traitor game, you had the right read there, but didn't give any reasonings for the read. I do think it would have been hard, but this followed into that game you were Masons, and we were on the verge of victory. You needed my vote to fade Firebringer, and didnt give any reasonings there either, when I was even making some, but I needed to be convinced, that back and forth, otherwise just felt like you were walling. We had Dann too, and really was in a situation where we just needed to get a flip or go further into black hole circular arguments.

I think we are in a similar situation here, where we need a flip to progress, so I'm happy with Cakez.

VOTE: Cakez

I'm okay with this or RCE I think.

I’m fine with Cakez as well—not as much information will be gained, but I do think it’ll be accurate, at least.

VOTE: SirCakez.

E-1.

These all read obviously like compromise votes to me

[SirCakez]

Why are you clenching your fists and stomping your feet here? You've barely been around. Half the time I see your posts, you're promising to give more content later, but then when you do show up your posts show so little investment in the game. Like I'd understand being upset if you just randomly got flash wagon'd after putting in effort to solve for a month, but you've

been

getting sussed out for awhile now.

I don't think this is an accurate take on my play this game at all. I feel I have been pretty invested especially later today because I'm actually developing some reads I feel good about. I hate how you're trying to hand wave me being mad away without actually addressing the underlying reasoning for that - because both times the wagon has been mostly naked votes and hurr durr compromise votes with little in the way of people actually talking about why they think I'm scummy

You're not a compromise wagon and they aren't naked votes. I asked people to vote you because we (your voters) were already suspicious of you last time you were the wagon and gave our reasoning then. Then your wagon dissolved and the game centered around Hu Tao and Bingle for nearly a week, and when that resolved we went back to you.

I looked at your ISO and you haven't even talked about why you think I'm scum since over a week ago where you said you leaned scum because of an interaction with Naerys I had.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Cakez

Can we just flip Cakez

Oh and these riveting posts

[SirCakez]

I think solidifying our votes down to Hu Tao or Bingle is probably the only way we’ll actually get an elimination through today, considering we have less than 48 hours left in D2.

I would definitely prefer for Bingle to go over Hu Tao, but I think either going will get us more information once they flip and we see how people read them and such.

Yes let's pick between these two, I hope it's Hu but even if it is Bingle we will get a lot of info

I left the game thinking the game was going this way
I come back at L-1 with a claim being demanded. If anything I would think it would be suspicious if I wasn't pissed off here.

What? Why would it be suspicious if you weren't pissed off?

Also it isn't simply because you're mad, it just seems very overblown, and because of how similar it feels to the last time you did this it also feels scripted.

I find when I'm scum I don't get the same level of emotion/frustration about being eliminated because it's just town doing scumhunting on whatever they find in my play that's scummy. When I'm town getting mislimmed it's super obnoxious because people are either misreading me or scum pushing me for a mislim which both annoy me a lot more then getting caught as scum

I don't know what to say about your second point, it's just how I talk /shrug

[SirCakez]

I think solidifying our votes down to Hu Tao or Bingle is probably the only way we’ll actually get an elimination through today, considering we have less than 48 hours left in D2.

I would definitely prefer for Bingle to go over Hu Tao, but I think either going will get us more information once they flip and we see how people read them and such.

Yes let's pick between these two, I hope it's Hu but even if it is Bingle we will get a lot of info

I left the game thinking the game was going this way
I come back at L-1 with a claim being demanded. If anything I would think it would be suspicious if I wasn't pissed off here.

What? Why would it be suspicious if you weren't pissed off?

Also it isn't simply because you're mad, it just seems very overblown, and because of how similar it feels to the last time you did this it also feels scripted.

I find when I'm scum I don't get the same level of emotion/frustration about being eliminated because it's just town doing scumhunting on whatever they find in my play that's scummy. When I'm town getting mislimmed it's super obnoxious because people are either misreading me or scum pushing me for a mislim which both annoy me a lot more then getting caught as scum

I don't know what to say about your second point, it's just how I talk /shrug

I hate meta claims like these because you would absolutely never claim this if you'd had the opposite reaction to getting voted. So this is pretty meaningless to me.

Ok so guess we're at an impasse here

I'd like to hear from the other wagon residents

[SirCakez]

Compromise on Cakez to help deal with this Bingle/Hu Tao scenario, and move to next day with more info

How does elimming me help the Bingle/hu situation?

[SirCakez]

Compromise on Cakez to help deal with this Bingle/Hu Tao scenario, and move to next day with more info

How does elimming me help the Bingle/hu situation?

You are a means to an end and a compromise fade, and a repercussion of the unresolved Hu Tao/Bingle, let’s not make it out to be anything more than it is

I would understand this take if I saw how me getting elimmed benefits town at all versus other elimination potentials

[SirCakez]

You wanna push a Bingle or Hu Tao, then do it, and stop the woe is me card.

I’ll fade a woe is me as a compromise if they’re an IC to get through the next day.

(Maybe not an IC, but the hyperbole felt valid)

I can't see myself alone being able to swing the momentum, there are too many apathetic/hostile slots towards me incl Roden, Wiz, Thomith

[SirCakez]

I'm guessing one of the town Invest claims is scum and the other one is town + a jail keeper/role locker, versus a scum investigative + goons makes sense

[SirCakez]

I am unsure on who the mafia are. Not confident SirCakez is one but not against it. I feel against Hu Tao or Bingle.

Dunn has also expressed being anti wagon on either Hu or Bingle

[SirCakez]

I'm guessing one of the town Invest claims is scum and the other one is town + a jail keeper/role locker, versus a scum investigative + goons makes sense

See I actually agree with this. I'd prefer a Celeb elim over you, you aren't my first choice.

I feel like you have not been pushing this as much at all?

[SirCakez]

Celeb checks Leaf
Wiz checks Celeb
Protective on Wiz

If you were so confident Celeb is scum, why not push for that elim instead of making this plan?

[SirCakez]

Okay yeah in the grand scope of things I def could be wrong

[SirCakez]

10 hours left, I prob won't be awake when deadline hits. Idk what else to tell to you guys, I'm done being angry, at that acceptance stage. I hope the PR claims sort themselves out. I really think the eliminations tomorrow should be in there or the Bingle/Hu Tao pair.

[SirCakez]

Wdym? I said I'm VT ages ago

[SirCakez]

I would go Bingle because I learned a while ago that any elim is better than your own even if you townread them because there's always the chance you're wrong.

I definitely wouldn't feel great about it but ya that's the logic

[SirCakez]

I sacrificed myself for my strong townread unwnd who was scum ofc

don't recommend

[SirCakez]

maybe bingle could have me pocketed? i can see the manipulative argument but the vibes and thoughts have always made sense to me

[SirCakez]

end meeee

[SirCakez]

gg my reads were trash