Mini 2321: Classic Commercials (Postgame)

[Hu Tao]

We should wait for a claim.

[Hu Tao]

UNVOTE:

I'll be back before deadline dw

[Hu Tao]

To me it seems like cakez hasn't been trying to figure out my alignment and has just been quoting posts saying that I'm scummy without trying to ask questions or get my point of view

You have basically been engaging with me hostilely from the start. I don't know how I could have even approached you in that manner.

Can you show the hostility?

[Hu Tao]

I'll be real, I still kind of feel like a Bingle/Hu Tao flip might give us more information if we are wrong about Cakez.

I kinda think Bingle or me just flip town. And then you'll want to vote the other and we lose.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Cakez

Sorry if you're town. I just am not sure who else to vote at this point.

[Hu Tao]

I'm already confirmed vanilla, at worst I am goon. I think voting me out gives very little information

[Hu Tao]

I should be the check tonight so I can be conf town

[Hu Tao]

UNVOTE:

Okay more time

[Hu Tao]

Understandable

[Hu Tao]

I would like to hear from Bingle since I changed my read on him.

[Hu Tao]

I checked FL. He IS a VT.

Why wouldn't they block you?

[Hu Tao]

Whatever I'll just claim.

I'm Town Jailkeeper.

This was why I kept saying I believed Celebloki when he said he was roleblocked Night 1, because he was my night 1 target. I also said that I thought Bingles (at least I think it was Bingle) theory about a Jailkeeper made sense, because I knew he was right, because I was a Jailkeeper.
I wasnt confident I'd be able to protect correctly Night 1, so I instead tried to block the kill by targeting someone I suspected. I targeted off wagon, for the WIFOM reason that scum may think someone on the wagon might be targeted by a town roleblock, so sent someone off wagon to do the kill instead.

I Jailkept Flavor Night 2, because I did believe that the Rolecop/Neap were on opposing factions, so assumed both claims would live through the night, so instead Jailkept a Vanilla claim I thought was likely to be attacked.

Tl;dr:
I'm claiming Jailkeeper
Night 1 Target was Celebloki
Night 2 Target was FL

Oh this makes sense then.

[Hu Tao]

I'll wait for all claims before I give my thoughts

[Hu Tao]

So just waiting on Dunn and roden claims?

[Hu Tao]

I thought roden was the one who softed the innocent on me. I'll need to reasses a few things

[Hu Tao]

I think I trust Hu Tao

I think I trust Hu Tao

Why?

I'm trying on something new

[Hu Tao]

I agree on waiting for replacement

[Hu Tao]

I think I'd be fine with getting rid of bingle or roden. I only tr roden since I thought he was a pr.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: roden

[Hu Tao]

Because I thought he softed an innocent. And both of your claims check out. Unless you're scum together idk

[Hu Tao]

It's certain one of the pr is scum imo. We should be voting there.

[Hu Tao]

It's certain one of the pr is scum imo. We should be voting there.

Me: Hu Tao is genuinely trying to solve
Hu Tao: makes this post
Me:

Thom jailkept Celebloki and Cele himself said he was blocked even before Thom claimed, i believe.
I think this rather strongly indicates that both are town.

I literally just said this

[Hu Tao]

Roden never gets shot at anyways, so the PR check is pretty nice, and kinda confirms Bingle and Celeb as town if Roden is scum.

If Roden is town, that’s another point against Celeb/Bingle.

I just think Roden/Hu Tao have more partner equity out of anyone in this game based on how the Cakez wagon come to fruition and the specifics of when momentum shifted + the way Hu Tao sits on the counterwagon Day 1.

Can't I be confirmed town if Cele checks me? Or am I misunderstanding the role.

[Hu Tao]

Yeah. I should be checked by cele tonight. Especially if they keep saying how I think I could be scum.

[Hu Tao]

I don't think Thom is ever scum here

[Hu Tao]

Is roden on e1?

[Hu Tao]

I'm against celeb since they can confirm me as town. I'm ok with roden or bingle. Only reason is was townreading you roden is cause I thought you were a cop with innocent on me. I still think it would be lame for bingle as scum to berate my personality and talent as a mafia player to townread him, so I think they are town for now.

[Hu Tao]

UNVOTE:

Okay I'll unvote for now. Convince me why Bingle is scum

[Hu Tao]

Crickets

[Hu Tao]

Celebloki targets either Bingle or Roden tonight, 50/50 probs.

No. He targets me to confirm me as town.

[Hu Tao]

Celeb not targeting me is a scum claim.

[Hu Tao]

Celebloki targets either Bingle or Roden tonight, 50/50 probs.

Bingle or Hu Tao***

Oh okay

[Hu Tao]

In hindsight we probably should have solved Hu Tao vs Bingle yesterday, instead of compromising on cakez.

Probably but I'm conf town tomorrow anyway.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: roden

Im.ok with this

[Hu Tao]

Someone hammer. Let's just get this game moving

[Hu Tao]

Yes

[Hu Tao]

Yikes. I've been bad this game. Might be my worst game

[Hu Tao]

No one should vote obviously.

[Hu Tao]

Bingle is NOT vanilla town.

And your hammer yesterday smells.

I agree with this 100%

[Hu Tao]

I think Naerys is town.

One of Bingle or Hu Tao is town.

This is sus

[Hu Tao]

Also not checking me the confirmed vanilla is sus.

[Hu Tao]

I'll need to reevaluate the whole game. But in a bit. Can't do it right this second.

[Hu Tao]

I can see a world where it's celeb flavor Bingle. With flavor plan to win end game. I'm not married to the idea right now though.

[Hu Tao]

I need to see why I even townread rce on the first place

[Hu Tao]

And Celeb claiming guilty on Bingle is something I’d never go for in this because of that.

I can maybe believe this.

[Hu Tao]

Doesn't mean you're town but that team could be wrong

[Hu Tao]

Mechanically I think celeb is scum here. Just need to find the other 2

[Hu Tao]

Not checking me was a scum claim.

[Hu Tao]

Nah, Bingle was just as good a target. Don’t self bias it looks scummy

I was the only confirmed vanilla so checking me confirmed a clear

[Hu Tao]

I'm thinking just voting Cele here and going from there tomorrow

[Hu Tao]

Thanks for the clarification

[Hu Tao]

Interesting development. What's the vote count?

[Hu Tao]

I just need the vote count and I can try to solve this.

[Hu Tao]

Interesting play by flavor to fake claim gs :lol

[Hu Tao]

Ok I trust Dunn and naerys to not vote so all should be fine to take our time with this if needed

[Hu Tao]

Celeb can you tell me why you're not voting your guilty?

[Hu Tao]

Naerys can you give me your thoughts? Who is scum do you think? Everyone else besides me and Dunn has someone confirmed scum to them. And dunn gave his views already

[Hu Tao]

Dunnstral is making good points here

[Hu Tao]

I'm leaning celeb and flavor scum. Trying to find the last

[Hu Tao]

Maestro hopping on Cele is either really bad play or scummy. It kinda reeks with trying to put some psychological pressure on us. Sheepier townies would give in to that and allow speedy mislim.
I dont like Celebloki´s hammer and his reasoning for it, but that Maestro´s vote... the more i think about the less i like it. Its timing, they way he voted.
I dont think i can see a universe where Cele+Maestro are alligned? For scum to fake guilty and his buddy trying to buss him at this point does not make sense. Bingle and Maestro probably buddies
Therefore Bingle+Maestro+Dunn feels rather likely to me

You don't think flavors jump on maestro was equally as bad btw?

[Hu Tao]

tbh I think FLeaf has way less idea what's going on than he thinks

& it's very personally annoying/disruptive to me that he's refusing to read my posts or whatev, but I think the little break I took made this bs clear to more ppl; you're just reaching & you barely have an idea who Scum is... we have a fake guilty here, or at least a 1v1, and yet you're reachign w multuipkle different combinations of bs "Solves" & calling Naerys town when they've been coasting, leaning on Dunnstral who has also been kinda whatever- & you're just all over, man

like stop positioning yourself as some kind of Town lead

? You realize flavor is confirmed scum to you right..

[Hu Tao]

Maestro hopping on Cele is either really bad play or scummy. It kinda reeks with trying to put some psychological pressure on us. Sheepier townies would give in to that and allow speedy mislim.
I dont like Celebloki´s hammer and his reasoning for it, but that Maestro´s vote... the more i think about the less i like it. Its timing, they way he voted.
I dont think i can see a universe where Cele+Maestro are alligned? For scum to fake guilty and his buddy trying to buss him at this point does not make sense. Bingle and Maestro probably buddies
Therefore Bingle+Maestro+Dunn feels rather likely to me

Do you still think it's these 3?

[Hu Tao]

@Dunn - I know I've burned you in the past. It's not happening here. I am town. If you're town, we have to come together.

I think Naerys is town here too.

Well I think you're mafia for being manipulative in this game and repeatedly pushing town and then trying to shift blame

Do you think it could be flavor celeb naerys?

[Hu Tao]

I never thought Dunn would be the one I tr the most in this point of the game

[Hu Tao]

I wouldn't vote for Naerys today

I agree. Only voting in those who have or have been voted today

[Hu Tao]

Huge leap by you FL

[Hu Tao]

Naerys, whats your thoughts on FL?

[Hu Tao]

Is there a possibility there is a traitor or no?

[Hu Tao]

Naerys, whats your thoughts on FL?

I dont feel a predatory vibe from him like in that game where he was traitor. Since i am town i dont really see a team scum!FL could be in.
Well, maybe FL/Celeb/Dunn but that doesnt work with my own suspictions-Maestro,Bingle,Dunn.

But he's voting pretty recklessly which is what your complain about maestro was. You also seem to think I'm town based on your solves from earlier. Has anything changed after he voted me?

[Hu Tao]

It is hard for me to figure out Celebloki or Naerys alignment.

Relatable

[Hu Tao]

but that doesnt work with my own suspictions-Maestro,Bingle,Dunn.

Flavor leaf is voting for Hu Tao, there should be mafia between them.

Why say this when I'm trying to see her answer she comes up with

[Hu Tao]

Okay looking forward to your response

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao, what's your take on M?

I'm not sure. What made you change your mind about me being scum?

[Hu Tao]

Naerys
Dunnstral

Celebloki

Bingle

Hu Tao
Maestro

No order within tiers now.

I would not have been ok with bingle saying what he said earlier about me if we were scum together. Would have been a lame way to distance or even say as scum to someone to make someone town read them. Just saying.

[Hu Tao]

The lack of hammer or movement on the Hu Tao vote is pretty damning. I find it hard to believe that the scum team can't coordinate and find a time to throw down all their votes to end one of the wagons FL was on (Maestro/Hu Tao) leaving me to believe both these slots have to be scum. Between the two I think I'd still prefer Maestro gone first so I can get a check in on Hu.

So basically to you you're saying me bingle and maestro are the team?

[Hu Tao]

Alright FL. I'll meet you halfway.

VOTE: Hu Tao

On your head be it.

Damn was I right? Cele, bingle, FL?

[Hu Tao]

At this point, I feel I should try and find guilty people over VTs. There's no way there are anymore Town PRs, any Not VTs I get means guilty. My worry targeting someone like Dunn or Naerys is that they will be the NK and it's a wasted target on the next day. Scum aren't going to NK each other, so shouldn't I target who I think is scum and just confirm it?

That said at this point it's pretty obvious from where I'm sitting that the scum team has to be Bingle/Maestro/Hu Tao. Would scum really just let a town Hu Tao or a town Maestro sit there with a FL vote on them and not coordinate a quick-hammer? If they can't coordinate a quick hammer than they have really dropped the ball on those slots.

Scum are going to NK slots that haven't been making waves. I thought FL might be the next NK target, but scum might want to keep him around because they feel he is volatile and may suddenly direct his ire at a townie.

Can you explain why FL is town again to you?

[Hu Tao]

Cause I'm a Neap, I targeted him, and I have mod mail in my inbox that tells me he is a Vanilla Townie.

Oh for some reason I thought that your role was vanilla cop but i think i was thinking of wiz. This is even more than a scum claim than I thought by not checking me

[Hu Tao]

I'm about ready to place my vote and end the day unless you two feel there is more that needs to be discussed.

You're free to vote

[Hu Tao]

My bad Hu Tao. Didn't think it was Flavor Leaf after some time but wasn't expecting for you to both be town.

No worries. My reads were bad this game. Probably my worst game read wise. I think I was only right on you being town

[Hu Tao]

I still think what bingle said earlier was lame to say as scum. But to each their own.

[Hu Tao]

I'm guessing Dunn I think he was the towniest.

[Hu Tao]

Apparently it was enough to sit back and let FL do all the job *wink*

I actually think I played this day phase well. Day 3 was my weak day. I just had to be

PERFECT

this day phase, and I was just willing to risk it for the biscuit.

Hu Tao and I had been against each other all game. For town to come together, Hu Tao and I needed to come together, and see Celebloki as town.

And it just wasn't happening.

But I cased Bingle pretty well imo, and Maestro was hit.

It was really Naerys deep wolf that stopped the solve from happening. I never would have went Naerys.

I had you as town yesterday but you started acting sus today

[Hu Tao]

I had celeb as town but I thought celeb would have checked me as town to confirm me as town. So I assumed scum. That was on me too for not seeing other possibilities there

[Hu Tao]

I still think what bingle said earlier was lame to say as scum. But to each their own.

Bingle playing extremely lame single-handedly won scum this game IMO

I should have trusted you