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This sucks.
But!
The flips of CW and Gamma Emerald both being town PROVE that my reads have been good this game. I town read Lap strongly.
After Kyouko flip, I knew HPE was scum.
I have had a strong read game.
The ending of the days aside, I have been pushing in the right direction a lot of these games, but in consistently pushed as incorrect.
And yet, Pavowski has never once shut my reads down.
He has been there alongside me for most of it, and after all of it, my reads have shown to be pretty good this game. I gave up end of the day.
I don’t think I can now.
And you know what.
I think I’m back to this being 2 of 3 in Hu Tao/Purple/Dragon.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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My CW read was correct.
My Gamma read was correct. (Bar end of the day mishap, but there wasn’t a fade that was gonna happen, and I needed to know the flip.)
My Lap read was correct.
My HPE read was correct.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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This means I’m likely correct that there is scum in Hu Tao/Dragon.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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And I’m like 50/50 that the team is Hu Tao/Dragon or Hu Tao/Purple.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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And if I’m gonna lose the game, I’m gonna lose the game trusting my gut read on Pavowski, the one player this game who hasn’t tried to discredit any of my reads other than Purple.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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And personally, I think it’s telling considering my reads have ended up being correct, at least the basis. I spent like 2 and a half day phases strongly town reading both Gamma and CW, only doubting it near the end.
And I doubted it because I started to doubt my scum reads in Dragon/Hu Tao.
This will not happen again.
Dragon has whined about it all game, but fact of the matter is my reads have been right other than Kyouko.
I cased Black as scum, and wanted that flip hoping it was scum and that Hu Tao/Dragon were both town. I town read Gamma, and unfortunate they had to leave because I didn’t start doubting Gamma until they were gone.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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I will never vote Pav against on Day 5.
If you are able to get 4 votes on Pav, this proves that scum are on the wagon based on me being conf town.
Hu Tao/Dragon/Geraint all are willing to vote Pav.
Pav is voting Purple, this would probably mean Purple is willing to vote Pav.
I believe this means that scum are always on that wagon, and yeah, it could be a bus, but i don’t see it.
I messed up voting my gut soul read on Roden recently, and ended in a gamestate that was lost.
I won’t do it here.
Lose this one on your own.
VOTE: Hu TaoCHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
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We go from 4.10 to this, where Black becomes the main wagon with me and Dragon/Hu Tao, leaving all town on Hu Tao yet again.
Scum don’t want Hu Tao dead?
Scum don’t want to break up Hu Tao/Dragon?
YEAH RIGHT.
And Pavowski tries to push Purple here over a juicy Hu Tao wagon? NO.
Hu Tao is a far superior fade in a scum Pav world.
Dragon, you are WRONG. Or scum.
One of the two.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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Or I’m super pocketed, and I’ll live with that.
We couldn’t come together, we couldnt meet each other halfway if you’re town.
I tried, but i just don’t think the majority of your town reasonings on each other hold much weight, and neither of you give a fuck about that.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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In post 1126, cw357 wrote: dragon, hu tao = powerwolfIn post 1202, cw357 wrote: this is my swan song
scum is probably dragon+hu tao+hpe
I called it
tbh I don't even care anymore
After this, Dragon and Co push that CW needs to be vigged.
CW was right this game. And imo, that’s so fitting. It’s why they got pushed down second half of Day 2 so hard even after I left it.
RN was pushing Hu Tao, and RN kill is a direct vote away from Pavowski.
This makes absolutely zero sense in a ScumPav world to do.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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Yeah, it’s Dragon and Hu Tao.
imo, Dragon has near zero read evolution this entire game and has done nothing but conditional response me all game. When I’m with him and Hu Tao, they cheer me, when I’m against he discredit/punishes me.
Claim wise, the first one was to help the JK gambit, the 2nd one didn’t matter because it didn’t extend game and it kept the game from getting flips. I would argue the 2nd no kill helped scum more than it hurt.
I also specifically stated on Day 2 I wouldn’t be shooting Dragon, and they actively still blocked me.
This only makes sense for them to protect scum, which they absolutely did and protected HPE.
This is a major reason that HPE quick fade 100% had busses on it.
Scum gave HPE up knowing it would be too hard to save.
I believe both of them bussed.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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Coincidence that CW had recently called out HPE/Dragon/Hu Tao as scum team?In post 1296, Flavor Leaf wrote:
this is manipulative posting considering CW is E-1, and I'm not voting there.In post 1290, DragonEater70 wrote: Fuck this I'm just going to sheep Flavor
Clearly he's not going to work with me and he's conftown so whatever
I'll graciously accept getting vigged tonight if Flavor is wrong
VOTE: cw
Pedit: okay that makes me feel slightly better about this vote
Absolutely not.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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Yeah, wanted the person who wanted scum dead.In post 1349, Hu Tao wrote:
I also agree with this. Which is why i wanted cw as the vote instead.In post 1324, Flavor Leaf wrote: I think Pavowski fade is scum beneficial because it keeps CW-HuTao/DE alive.
It also makes it likely that I vig CW specifically, so scum felt safer going outside of CW so I would vig there.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd-
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The fact Black flipped green and synced up with the push I did most this game is incredibly telling.
Geraint, Purple, it’s Dragon and Hu Tao. Please please please do not vote Pav or each other.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
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"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd-
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At least give it time .CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd-
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Aged amazinglyIn post 1490, DragonEater70 wrote:In post 1475, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Gamma can read me I am safeUnfortunately, in every world where you are town Gamma is scum
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I'd like to be able to say that I read your meta thing, but I didn't because I am freaking exhausted (and my philosophy is there's no point in trying to get anything AI out of wallposts when I'm tired), so I'll read it tomorrow at some point.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
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In post 1512, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Lmao - HPE's trajectory on Pavowski is similar to what it is on me. It starts RVS on Pavowski but at some point decides Pavowski is town (which reinforces the push on Laplacian because Laplacian was pushing Pavowski's really early posts like on end of page 2/top of page 3). Once it declares Pavowski towny on D1 it keeps that opinion.
On D2, when DragonEater tells HPE to read Pavowski and Hu Tao, it does so, and at this point still says it thinks Pav is towny in 901. The next time it mentions Pavowski is in 955 where it says to dragon it can maybe see Pav is scum but still thinks he is town, and posts a reminder to itself to check on Kyouko and PM.
In 1028 the read changes from town!Pav to "warming up to the idea of scum!Pav" and take a look at 1149 - Pav has the same complaint about HPE in 1109 that I have now - HPE is vague, by it's own admission, about why it SRs Pav. And yet, when I asked HPE why it SRs Pav it said I would find the reasoning in it's ISO.
HPE is blatantly faking convenient scumreads on players that are under pressure. This is scum.In post 1149, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
You probably think it was a "little too easy" because this one wasn't exhaustively listing the things it didn't about your recent posts.In post 1109, Pavowski wrote: HPE I maybe feel a little better about flipping, I'm a little sus of her recent change of heart on me (felt a little too easy if you ask me) and there has certainly been some opportunistic play there outside of that as well
Anyway, VOTE: cw
Spoiler: raw quotes from HPE's ISO about Pav, but you may as well ISO her yourself and ctrl+f "pav" like I did
This is one of the biggest things.
HPE’s read progressions were exactly the same on Kyouko and HPE.
Also, I asked that one multiple times for reads, and couldn’t get anything. But Dragon asked for reads, as Kyouko pointed out, and that one treated them like the boss.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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The way HPE treated myself, Gamma, cw, and Kyouko is drastically different than the way that one treated Dragon/Hu Tao as well.
And all 4 of the ones they stabbed at ended up being town.
That one treated their scum team more neutral.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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In post 1594, Hu Tao wrote: I would love that vote. But it's likely not happening sadly. Flavor doesn't want cw
Emphasizing Gamma voting the slot who nailed the scum teamCHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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In post 1629, cw357 wrote:
that narrows it downIn post 1627, Flavor Leaf wrote: We're def in a world where Gamma / Kyouko is T/S, S/T, or S/S.
what if they're v/v lolololol nice try + rip + LLLLLLL
Their reads were near perfection this game.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
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In post 1724, DragonEater70 wrote:
I'm telling you with 100% certainty that this is a wrong solveIn post 1563, Flavor Leaf wrote: My current solve is Kyouko, CW, and one of Hu Tao/Dragon.
Geraint could slide in there if they’re scum in place of one of them, but I’m pretty happy with the other slots.
Most of Kyouko’s posts today were a lot of IioA, and there were conclusions made directed towards HPE.
I just think HPE fits the bill of impressionable town (not in a bad way) and takes the time to consider the cases that get presented.
Feels like they’ve just been on too many of the wagons outwardly, and i don’t think scum do it like that that often.
I'm also pretty sure Gamma is scum from her catch up
You right, it was 100% wrong, and so was the push on Gamma.
Gamma was a main push for Dragon in Day 4 at times too.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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This post Dragon is pushing they are very good at finding town as town—
CW and Gamma were both town that Dragon was pushing. They were pushing Purple as townlock until today too.
He needs Geraint’s vote to win.
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This is what I posted directly after Dragon said he was good at finding town as town then pushed Gamma as scum.In post 1736, Flavor Leaf wrote: I think this is probs Gamma town.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd-
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Gamma and I were also semi aligning at the time.
Gamma, myself, and CW were pushing Hu Tao all at the same time Day 4, and Dragon actively ignores that we were all town pushing Hu Tao and couldn’t get them.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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