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[HighPrincessErinys]

RVS wit no RV what da hell

VOTE: Pavowski

[HighPrincessErinys]

*pokes thread with a stick*

What, do you people have jobs or something?

Somebody vote Kyouko for that smell thing, that was weird, wasn't it?

That way I can defend her and be all "nah that's totally normal, actually"

I'm finding myself not liking this post. Its giving me a weird gut ping that it feels fake but I dont know how to explain it fully.

You mentioned earlier that we were early on in the day, but here you are acting like there is a sense of urgency that feels like a subtle contradiction.

Why are you trying to get other people to vote Kyouko for something that you find weird? Why not lead the charge yourself if you want to get the game moving?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pavowski

Thomith don't you think maybe you're jumping the gun a bit? Pavowski's post seems a little, teensy tiny bit, blatantly, shitposty.

[HighPrincessErinys]

i think shitposting is still just a mask, and can be alignment indicative either way. I dont think there's enough to discern a correct answer with Pavowski at all. I lean town, but wouldnt die on that hill.

Never said Pavowski was completely fine, but still seems like an overreaction to me from Thom.

[HighPrincessErinys]

going to read everything this one missed in a sec here but saw a bunch of votes moving around Pavowski so time to UNVOTE: Pavowski before something stupid happens

[HighPrincessErinys]

going to read everything this one missed in a sec here but saw a bunch of votes moving around Pavowski so time to UNVOTE: Pavowski before something stupid happens

regret

[HighPrincessErinys]

this game is a nightmare.

[HighPrincessErinys]

A. WTF did I just read

B. Some nice alignment indicative commentary:

*pokes thread with a stick*

What, do you people have jobs or something?

Somebody vote Kyouko for that smell thing, that was weird, wasn't it?

That way I can defend her and be all "nah that's totally normal, actually"

I'm finding myself not liking this post. Its giving me a weird gut ping that it feels fake but I dont know how to explain it fully.

You mentioned earlier that we were early on in the day, but here you are acting like there is a sense of urgency that feels like a subtle contradiction.

Why are you trying to get other people to vote Kyouko for something that you find weird? Why not lead the charge yourself if you want to get the game moving?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pavowski

Thomith don't you think maybe you're jumping the gun a bit? Pavowski's post seems a little, teensy tiny bit, blatantly, shitposty.

Second post by HPE that pinged me as scummy

Spicy take, CW, lapalacian, HPE, and Pavowski are all town.

Why's HPE town?

Agree about the others probably

going to read everything this one missed in a sec here but saw a bunch of votes moving around Pavowski so time to UNVOTE: Pavowski before something stupid happens

Another scum post

Damn, another game where Dragon ain't trying his best...

[HighPrincessErinys]

"Second post by HPE that pinged me as scummy" Howsabout you tell us the

first

one then?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Damn, another game where Dragon ain't trying his best...

Uhhh

Which other game is this referencing? I don't think we've ever been in a game as same alignment so it's a weird poke

You got like almost instantly caught out as scum in u-pic and barely survived because Aureal appealed to you typically acting like a goofus

[HighPrincessErinys]

Like I think town would rather ask Thomith about their read instead of trying to stop him?

So you're also jumping the gun and making the implication that you think me and Pavowski are partnered because this one scratched it's head at Thomith's overreaction.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Like I think town would rather ask Thomith about their read instead of trying to stop him?

So you're also jumping the gun and making the implication that you think me and Pavowski are partnered because this one scratched it's head at Thomith's overreaction.

No, I never said you were partnered wtf

You are the one jumping the gun

Then what the hell else were you gonna try to make with that point? Do you think scum just

ask

people to stop potential wagons on random townies when there isn't even any towncred for doing so? Is that your theorem?

[HighPrincessErinys]

I won't steal it

However, I'll use this pagebottom to say I'm fine with a Pav/Flavor/Dragon town core for now

And I'm also going to revote HPE

VOTE: HPE

snoreeee mimimimimi. includes self in the towncore too...

[HighPrincessErinys]

What's Laplacian at in terms of elim exactly?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Lemme check myself before taking someone this one is wary of at face value

[HighPrincessErinys]

Lemme check myself before taking someone this one is wary of at face value

Okay checks out thank you :salute:
VOTE: Laplacian

[HighPrincessErinys]

I won't steal it

However, I'll use this pagebottom to say I'm fine with a Pav/Flavor/Dragon town core for now

And I'm also going to revote HPE

VOTE: HPE

snoreeee mimimimimi. includes self in the towncore too...

Do you think DE70 putting himself in his towncore is suspicious?

Not really but it is funny

[HighPrincessErinys]

Lemme check myself before taking someone this one is wary of at face value

Okay checks out thank you :salute:
VOTE: Laplacian

To elaborate this one disagrees on Abne doing nothing but illusory acts of help, but more importantly just doesn't really think there's that "comedic veneer" from Pavowski and that 46 and 51 are secretly totally serious. ESPECIALLY not a fan of the sudden mood change after a reread, compare and contrast how 226 and 228 talk about Pavowski. Still don't like those early posts but certainly willing to write things off. It reeks of "scum failed to get people to kill this guy so they're walking away and saying 'yeah but i think they're cool now'".

[HighPrincessErinys]

Lemme check myself before taking someone this one is wary of at face value

Okay checks out thank you :salute:
VOTE: Laplacian

To elaborate this one disagrees on Abne doing nothing but illusory acts of help, but more importantly just doesn't really think there's that "comedic veneer" from Pavowski and that 46 and 51 are secretly totally serious. ESPECIALLY not a fan of the sudden mood change after a reread, compare and contrast how 226 and 228 talk about Pavowski. Still don't like those early posts but certainly willing to write things off. It reeks of "scum failed to get people to kill this guy so they're walking away and saying 'yeah but i think they're cool now'".

I feel like I did the same thing with my read of Pavowski though, so I'm confused as to why you aren't questioning me for the same reasons?

Did you not just see this one openly say its wary of you?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Lemme check myself before taking someone this one is wary of at face value

Okay checks out thank you :salute:
VOTE: Laplacian

To elaborate this one disagrees on Abne doing nothing but illusory acts of help, but more importantly just doesn't really think there's that "comedic veneer" from Pavowski and that 46 and 51 are secretly totally serious. ESPECIALLY not a fan of the sudden mood change after a reread, compare and contrast how 226 and 228 talk about Pavowski. Still don't like those early posts but certainly willing to write things off. It reeks of "scum failed to get people to kill this guy so they're walking away and saying 'yeah but i think they're cool now'".

I feel like I did the same thing with my read of Pavowski though, so I'm confused as to why you aren't questioning me for the same reasons?

Did you not just see this one openly say its wary of you?

I did see that, but I'm just curious as to why you have decided to go after Laplacian, but only briefly mentioned your wariness of me. What makes you think Laplacian is scummier than me?

56 comes after your post (obviously) but moreover just sucks. Tis a shitty sheep, as it were.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Lemme check myself before taking someone this one is wary of at face value

Okay checks out thank you :salute:
VOTE: Laplacian

Looks like you're just voting them since you're getting heat too.

VOTE: HPE

Might be because I don't see the reason for the Lap scumread though

Heat? From who?? One guy?? Get real.

I won't steal it

However, I'll use this pagebottom to say I'm fine with a Pav/Flavor/Dragon town core for now

And I'm also going to revote HPE

VOTE: HPE

snoreeee mimimimimi. includes self in the towncore too...

Do you think DE70 putting himself in his towncore is suspicious?

I think you thinking it's suspicious is suspicious. Sounds like an NAI thing regardless of who does it.

286!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HighPrincessErinys]

No idea what to make of HT going and throwing hands with me only to later see the exact thing she was asking about was posted previously.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Yeah this one doesn't think 47 was a normal or towny way of getting out of RVS like at all.

[HighPrincessErinys]

A reread should also not be a magical get out of jail free card especially THIS early in.

[HighPrincessErinys]

i just have a hard time seeing Dragon play this way as scum. it's over the line of too much as scum, that i think it's just genuine.

im pocketed cuz of it if they are scum, though, so ill have to break out of that later in the game if it turns out they are, but thats not a Day 1 thing

This one doesn't think Dragon is scum tbh just not playing so well lmao

[HighPrincessErinys]

Only one this one really agrees with is like Pavowski and DE because ofc this one is actively scumreading Lap and Joyboy is... This one is tuning their existence out for the time being.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Yeah this one doesn't think 47 was a normal or towny way of getting out of RVS like at all.

Hmm okay

Would you vote Thomith here?

i just have a hard time seeing Dragon play this way as scum. it's over the line of too much as scum, that i think it's just genuine.

im pocketed cuz of it if they are scum, though, so ill have to break out of that later in the game if it turns out they are, but thats not a Day 1 thing

This one doesn't think Dragon is scum tbh just not playing so well lmao

Sadly this makes me slightly less confident about the scumread

If Lap and HT stopped existing, sure.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Yeah this one doesn't think 47 was a normal or towny way of getting out of RVS like at all.

Why not?
It progressed the game and helped us start getting some information.

I agree with you I jumped the gun

, but I didn't tunnel on the vote once Pavowski started posting more and I started liking his posting.

And there ya go.

But at the same time the fact you indeed aren't tunneling is why this one isn't so keen on voting you as it is Lap, who took much longer to get the hint and had a very sudden change of heart so people would get off his back.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I agreed with you beforehand that I probably jumped the gun though so I'm not sure why this is a revelation

Not a revelation this one is just saying. Yeah. That's why. You asked "why not" and that's why not.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I had already expressed doubts about both you and HPE earlier, this is just saying XOR instead of OR. It's not an alt wagon if it's just tightening down what I've already said.

You're definitely in survival mode nonetheless imo

[HighPrincessErinys]

If you think it's Abnegation make a case on her, don't sit and throw shade at me/HPE hoping somebody buys it and moves off

If you think it's one of us then vote us

I gave my case earlier, several people agreed, but it's hard to get more evidence when she hasn't posted in forever. So until then:
UNVOTE:
VOTE: HPE

This one thinks this is AI, in a way.
"Well she isn't giving me anything to work with so I'll just go with option B." when you could definitely make the case that the fact she ISN'T doing anything now is weird and worth attention. It's peeving me too, that's for sure, but you don't wanna go down that avenue because you don't think it's concrete enough. You're shopping for wagons that people will agree on and push with you rather than ones you think are genuinely scum. There's also a possibility you and Abne are scumpartners, which is why you don't feel like committing to a push on her, but even discarding that you're just

lazy

scum in general.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Lemme check myself before taking someone this one is wary of at face value

Okay checks out thank you :salute:
VOTE: Laplacian

To elaborate this one disagrees on Abne doing nothing but illusory acts of help, but more importantly just doesn't really think there's that "comedic veneer" from Pavowski and that 46 and 51 are secretly totally serious. ESPECIALLY not a fan of the sudden mood change after a reread, compare and contrast how 226 and 228 talk about Pavowski. Still don't like those early posts but certainly willing to write things off. It reeks of "scum failed to get people to kill this guy so they're walking away and saying 'yeah but i think they're cool now'".

Just to be clear, this one says it

disagrees

with Laplacian's assessment of Pavowski's 46 and 51, right? Or is this one saying it thinks that Pavowski was being serious in 46/51 without a "comedic veneer"?

(Am I using this one's pronouns right, I'm not sure if I should use "you/your" or "this one/this one's")

Disagrees, yes.

(You/your is fine.)

[HighPrincessErinys]

Glad cw is back and toning down the memes. However, they pop back in within 30 minutes of Kyouko saying cw had valid thoughts. Could just be good timing, but I'm also thinking scum chat coaching. Like, "tone it down before you get policied, go contribute next time you're mentioned"

This feels rather farfetched but with how insane cw has been, who fucking knowssssss.

[HighPrincessErinys]

i've been thinking about why this push gives me weird vibes, and it think it's because it's applying non-rvs logic to rvs posts in a way that pings me as forced. and then add to that the fact that it's piggybacking off thomith's push, and it feels a little opportunistic.

Honestly agree with this assessment somewhat.

Lemme check myself before taking someone this one is wary of at face value

Okay checks out thank you :salute:
VOTE: Laplacian

To elaborate this one disagrees on Abne doing nothing but illusory acts of help, but more importantly just doesn't really think there's that "comedic veneer" from Pavowski and that 46 and 51 are secretly totally serious. ESPECIALLY not a fan of the sudden mood change after a reread, compare and contrast how 226 and 228 talk about Pavowski. Still don't like those early posts but certainly willing to write things off. It reeks of "scum failed to get people to kill this guy so they're walking away and saying 'yeah but i think they're cool now'".

I feel like I did the same thing with my read of Pavowski though, so I'm confused as to why you aren't questioning me for the same reasons?

Did you not just see this one openly say its wary of you?

I did see that, but I'm just curious as to why you have decided to go after Laplacian, but only briefly mentioned your wariness of me. What makes you think Laplacian is scummier than me?

56 comes after your post (obviously) but moreover just sucks. Tis a shitty sheep, as it were.

i'm mindmelding with hpe and i don't like it.

me neither.

[HighPrincessErinys]

like if Laplacian is town I will see it if he tries more, I'm by no means gladiating him toDay

gladiating?

[HighPrincessErinys]

do it :twisted:

Nah

I hate intentionally flipping town Day 1

That's Flavor's style

If he asks me to hammer I'll hammer though

Pedit: huh okay that was quick

Yes mr Flavor

VOTE: Lap

bro really said

[HighPrincessErinys]

fucking hell

[HighPrincessErinys]

Imagine a vigilante in this game shooting anybody but CW

real and true

[HighPrincessErinys]

Can we policy elim cw? Or modkill?

dont be sus
time to roleclaim

i hardclaim 1-shot dayvig.

dayvig: cw537

we were so close to perfection

[HighPrincessErinys]

Can we policy elim cw? Or modkill?

dont be sus
time to roleclaim

i hardclaim 1-shot dayvig.

dayvig: cw537

we were so close to perfection

Could be a sign CW is scum and threat killed Abnegation.

VOTE: CW

This one doesn't really get this idea. Abne was widely scumread, and Thomith was generally townbinned (iirc). Abne was pretty vigged, not nightkilled.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Can we policy elim cw? Or modkill?

dont be sus
time to roleclaim

i hardclaim 1-shot dayvig.

dayvig: cw537

we were so close to perfection

Could be a sign CW is scum and threat killed Abnegation.

VOTE: CW

This one doesn't really get this idea. Abne was widely scumread, and Thomith was generally townbinned (iirc). Abne was pretty vigged, not nightkilled.

Why do you need extra reasons to wanna fade CW here?

Well this one was mostly hoping that he'd have been thrown out and replaced.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Lapa was obv gonna flip town

A lil interesting you hammered then innit

[HighPrincessErinys]

Lapa was obv gonna flip town

A lil interesting you hammered then innit

I feel like I made it very clear that I expected them to flip town prior to it.

They claimed Vanilla. I’ll always fade a Vanilla townie day 1.

It is interesting because that’s bad scum play to not try and get more claims.

That being said, Thomith Cop snipe is good scum play, but could be lucky because Thomith was townie.

Yeah no this one got that, and you gunning for a cw flip here regardless of alignment isn't anything surprising as a result, but it IS a kind of funny to me.

[HighPrincessErinys]

3 scum players, 6 town left. I think this is simple, so no outliers allowed, so no hidden traitors.

Fun stuff.

7 town, there's 10 alive.

[HighPrincessErinys]

when someone pops in to say stuff like this without giving reads it feels like they're trying to score charisma points to get into townlean at least. My heaviest scumread is on DE/Flavor (kind of Joyboy) but I also am willing to consider HPE for this reason

you are quite literally half the reason this one said that lmao

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one is really glad cw finally got his head into the game because it means this one can push him for realsies. 691 is just COMICALLY bad.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Fun fact:

When Flavor said I should vig cw, I wanted to respond with "I agree, you should vig cw tonight while I stay home like a good townie", but I didn't because I thought that moght make people think I'm actually the vig

Anyhow, VOTE: Flavor

He's not a N1 vig.

ok now this is an interesting twist

[HighPrincessErinys]

also to get one thing completely clear again cuz HPE doesn't seem to read post history:
THE REASON I STOPPED TROLLING IS BECAUSE THE MODS THREATENED TO SITE-BAN ME; I LOVE TROLLING BUT I LOVE NOT BEING BANNED MORE

this one is aware and it makes me dislike you more because you still want to make references to candy vans and slurs but aren't allowed to lol. going to try and work on a breakdown of 691 if this one has the time and motivation

[HighPrincessErinys]

also to get one thing completely clear again cuz HPE doesn't seem to read post history:
THE REASON I STOPPED TROLLING IS BECAUSE THE MODS THREATENED TO SITE-BAN ME; I LOVE TROLLING BUT I LOVE NOT BEING BANNED MORE

this one is aware and it makes me dislike you more because you still want to make references to candy vans and slurs but aren't allowed to lol. going to try and work on a breakdown of 691 if this one has the time and motivation

I'm not breaking down my own posts. That's your job! :)

bro says this one cant read then shows he cant himself

[HighPrincessErinys]

Fun fact:

When Flavor said I should vig cw, I wanted to respond with "I agree, you should vig cw tonight while I stay home like a good townie", but I didn't because I thought that moght make people think I'm actually the vig

Anyhow, VOTE: Flavor

He's not a N1 vig.

ok now this is an interesting twist

Is it? This is a Simple game. N1 modifier doesn't exiat in Simples.

No just you turning against FL in general.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Can we kill CW now so I don’t have to waste a potential vig kill if i have one on them?

Yeag
VOTE: cw357

[HighPrincessErinys]

Flavor/HPE/DE have no opinions, all they care about is getting rid of town as non-suspiciously as possible and coordinating their votes to do so

guys when the other players are all present and agree on a wagon:

[HighPrincessErinys]

Spoiler: Woe! Quote upon ye! Commentary in purple.

Most of these posts fall on the first have of D1 but I ISO'd DE/Flavor and I'm fairly convinced there's at least one (if not two) scum in there. I don't have an elim preference at the moment but that will develop as time goes on i guess, in the meantime VOTE: DragonEater70 also might have included some hpe posts because I have a slight scumlean there that might develop

Hi!

I'm going to sheep Flavor Leaf Day 1 because I am lazy

sussy impostor interactions

Meh.

there's other reasons for Dragoneater to state the sheeping comment other than what comes across at face value. They could be reaction testing me. They could be trying to setup an early pocket (I think this is rather bold if so because it would always illicit some people attacking the idea).

flavor defends de, uses detached tone uncharacteristic of other posts hmmmmm

No idea where you're getting "uncharacteristic of other posts" from, this feels like how FL has been like all game.

Though, thinking about it, I wouldn't

mind

pocketing Flavor, but that would probably require more effort than I am willing to put in for Day 1.

...
I get it's rvs but when I'm scum I often start getting too buddy-buddy with my scumpartner in thread, maybe I'm projecting here

Nothingburger.

Alright, I got a town core in Pavowski and DragonEater. Anyone's welcome at the table thus far to see what we're cooking, promise you some good flavor.

I'mma reverse pocket.

further interactions
I suggest ISOing their interactions yourself so you can see how complete this is—they pretty much just talk to each other for much of the game.

Hyperbole!

Spicy take, CW, lapalacian, HPE, and Pavowski are all town.

aww thanks
uhh but flavor hammered on laplacian, also leaving out de is weird—when I'm scum I get wishy-washy about townreading my partners, when I'm town I lock in on reads. Again, not trying to project, but I think that's what most people do and this falls on the scum side of that trend.

This feels super subjective, shrug.

i think shitposting is still just a mask, and can be alignment indicative either way. I dont think there's enough to discern a correct answer with Pavowski at all. I lean town, but wouldnt die on that hill.

ok actually the ones who are all on people for not doing tasks are able to tell because they're not doing tasks themselves
I find this mega-sussy

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Flavor Leaf
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Also these 2 sentiments don't add up.

I'm not on anyone, nor do I plan to be.

VOTE: Flavor

But let's get a Flavor wagon going.

Something I noticed is that Flavor and DE never seriously push anyone, it's always light pushes so they stay out of the spotlight, yet they both make sure Laplacian wagon gets advanced.

This is called applying pressure and changing your mind. Also noteworthy that Abne was always on the table just Lap had wider support. That's just in GENERAL though because the posts he's quoting here have like literally fucking nothing to do with his point?? Neither of them had even talked about Lap by the time FL posted that. It's so bad.

Alright, I got a town core in Pavowski and DragonEater. Anyone's welcome at the table thus far to see what we're cooking, promise you some good flavor.

I'mma reverse pocket.

WHY AM I NOT IN TOWNCORE
I HATE YOU

skill issue

I don't feel like feeding you.

If you want some advice when you try to push someone, if your push is real, of course, you gotta build up momentum through dynamics with other player's first, otherwise the easy counter to your push is just me reverse engaging to make it look like circular arguments.

Only way it typically would be tilted another way is when scum try to shift their weight.

I probably don't think you're scum here? Really weird play if so, but i don't know a lot of this playerlist, so surprises are welcome.

For someone posting so much, flavor endlessly fluffs without giving reads. He's probably worried that people will judge him on his reads d2.

Also just something that isn't really a thing? Feel like your eyes glazed over as you tried to ISO-dive FL with how shallow this shit is.

kinda up for the policy if it continues. they already claimed vanilla, and yall know i love fading vanillas day 1.

lol he's getting opportunistic, town by definition can't get opportunistic

You were actively trolling and claimed vanilla and we can like literally prove FL is a known vanilla-killa as town. Please get real.

this game is a nightmare.

when someone pops in to say stuff like this without giving reads it feels like they're trying to score charisma points to get into townlean at least. My heaviest scumread is on DE/Flavor (kind of Joyboy) but I also am willing to consider HPE for this reason

No comment on this shitty analysis but a big fan of the kinda-OMGUS Joyboy scumread lmao

A. WTF did I just read

B. Some nice alignment indicative commentary:

*pokes thread with a stick*

What, do you people have jobs or something?

Somebody vote Kyouko for that smell thing, that was weird, wasn't it?

That way I can defend her and be all "nah that's totally normal, actually"

I'm finding myself not liking this post. Its giving me a weird gut ping that it feels fake but I dont know how to explain it fully.

You mentioned earlier that we were early on in the day, but here you are acting like there is a sense of urgency that feels like a subtle contradiction.

Why are you trying to get other people to vote Kyouko for something that you find weird? Why not lead the charge yourself if you want to get the game moving?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pavowski

Thomith don't you think maybe you're jumping the gun a bit? Pavowski's post seems a little, teensy tiny bit, blatantly, shitposty.

Second post by HPE that pinged me as scummy

VOTE: HPE

i think shitposting is still just a mask, and can be alignment indicative either way. I dont think there's enough to discern a correct answer with Pavowski at all. I lean town, but wouldnt die on that hill.

ok actually the ones who are all on people for not doing tasks are able to tell because they're not doing tasks themselves
I find this mega-sussy

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Flavor Leaf
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Also these 2 sentiments don't add up.

I'm not on anyone, nor do I plan to be.

VOTE: Flavor

But let's get a Flavor wagon going.

I'm torn between sheeping you and voting scum.

I guess I'll sheep any vote that isn't a self vote.

Though, thinking about it, I wouldn't

mind

pocketing Flavor, but that would probably require more effort than I am willing to put in for Day 1.

could be joke
i do see jokes here
but are jokes allowed?? :/

This checks out. Dragon town.

too jumpy, but not sussy-jumpy
more incompetent jumpy
imaginge you say someone venting adn you said

OHH MY GOODNESS BIG DADDY I SEE THE IMPROSOTR
but it was just an engineer
well that makes me think he do be just a jumpy conslusioner idk idk idk
*snipped rest of post*

cw is probably town

Spicy take, CW, lapalacian, HPE, and Pavowski are all town.

Why's HPE town?

Agree about the others probably

if you think flattery is gonna let you pocket me, well i gotta tell ya, you're probably right.

DragonEater's already doing a decent job making his pocket comfy.

:D

Alright, I got a town core in Pavowski and DragonEater. Anyone's welcome at the table thus far to see what we're cooking, promise you some good flavor.

I'mma reverse pocket.

Yeah I could work with that

Can we policy elim cw? Or modkill?

modkills are generally reserved for breaches of game integrity.
idk what cw is doing but i skimmed his iso and i get the vibe he's just town playing weirdly so i would hope we don't have to policy him.
need to read rest of game though.

I think the point of a policy elim is that you do it without regard to the person's alignment, becayse they are harming thread health etc etc

kinda up for the policy if it continues. they already claimed vanilla, and yall know i love fading vanillas day 1.

Yep

Laplacian is scum you nerds you can policy the shitposter tomorrow

Reason?

going to read everything this one missed in a sec here but saw a bunch of votes moving around Pavowski so time to UNVOTE: Pavowski before something stupid happens

Another scum post

*snipped cw quotes*
well, i was hoping you might do something to convince me/the town that you wouldn't be a good policy execution, but so far, this isn't very persuasive. i get the impression that you're not willing to engage with the game in good faith regardless of your alignment. i don't intend to fight for a policy execution here, but as of now, i don't mind one. i'd like to have some more discussion before though if that's what we do, game's only just started.

p-edit: yes it is.

Kinda think this is sliiiightly scummy for the "I am not going to push a policy lim but I don't oppose one", since it could come from scum not wanting to initiate an anti-town play while still wanting to support it, BUT I do think town could also say this, so right now it's a very small scumlean.

So is this game dead already? That sucks.

Btw I am an Alien Novice Death-Millerizer 2-Shot Vigilante.

Sus post. How is it dead? It's been less than a day?

Sus post. How is it sus? It's just an RVS post?

Seriously though, I think Hu Taown is in town.

very weak attack against HPE that he gives up to push laplacian

cw seems to be under the impression that if you don't go completely balls deep into pushing someone that you're just making weak SvS theater posts or some shit. People can like, point out things they think are scummy from one person and be focusing on another dawg!! That's kind of what a quote wall is ABOUT.

I feel like this is meant to be interactions misdirection when we look back at D1 because he doesn't want to be go-go-go all day on a mishang

RVS wit no RV what da hell

VOTE: Pavowski

Obviously this one

weak attack continued

Like???

I won't steal it

However, I'll use this pagebottom to say I'm fine with a Pav/Flavor/Dragon town core for now

And I'm also going to revote HPE

VOTE: HPE

snoreeee mimimimimi. includes self in the towncore too...

You do realize Flavor suggested that towncore, right? I just said I'm okay with it because I started to see Pav as town.

more de flavor interactions
weird banter between HPE and DE when their prior interactions were minimal
flavor and DE have shown no signs of giving ANY reads on the other except "yay we're towncore" and it's pretty obvious tbh that they're scum the more I read this

FL/DE not giving reads is so patently false it's not even funny.

Anyone scumreading Lap for changing posting style is either mega tunneled or scum

Kyo is clearly mega tunneled and HPE is clearly scum, btw

I could see one of the two of them or Abnegation as scum here.

I don’t necessarily think they have to be, though.

start of laplacian push
when it's getting real DE knows he needs a miselim
more vagueness from flavor, who shows total apathy towards the wagon until he hammers
classic distancing

no comment other than "bad"

Pavowski
DragonEater
Laplacian
Joyboy

Hu Tao
Kyouko

Purplemango
cw357
geraintm
Thomith

HighPrincessErinys
Abnegation

no full on red scum. purples are light light town reads, but none of them have done that much, and it's all on tone for me. I barely remember much of geraint, but i think that's a good thing with geraint slightly, and i expect to be able to read em if they're scum anyways.

Means im town reading at least 1 scum right now. I dont even necessarily think HPE and Abneg are both scum, they could be, but idk. I do think there is one there, though.

flavor putting DE at the top
I think for experienced players there's a very real (and brazen) strategy of full-on towncoring each other and this is what we see here.
Feels like Abnegation's getting thrown in there to divert attention from HPE

Like, okay, there's a non-zero chance that DE/FL is an openwolf duo, sure, whatever. But it feels like you would see any two players who mutually townread eachother and immediately make the same argument. The Abne diversion comment also just makes me think this is basically just a conspiracy theory push. Like this one wants to actually cut these arguments apart but its all just the same nonsense repeated its kinda driving me nuts

I had already expressed doubts about both you and HPE earlier, this is just saying XOR instead of OR. It's not an alt wagon if it's just tightening down what I've already said.

You're definitely in survival mode nonetheless imo

lol obviously
someone's e-3 and this is what you say?
laziest attack imaginable

It's just lockscumming me, FL and DE for poorly thought out and shallow reasons and then beginning the shadefest because he just has infinite confidence for some unknown reason

If you think it's Abnegation make a case on her, don't sit and throw shade at me/HPE hoping somebody buys it and moves off

If you think it's one of us then vote us

I gave my case earlier, several people agreed, but it's hard to get more evidence when she hasn't posted in forever. So until then:
UNVOTE:
VOTE: HPE

This one thinks this is AI, in a way.
"Well she isn't giving me anything to work with so I'll just go with option B." when you could definitely make the case that the fact she ISN'T doing anything now is weird and worth attention. It's peeving me too, that's for sure, but you don't wanna go down that avenue because you don't think it's concrete enough. You're shopping for wagons that people will agree on and push with you rather than ones you think are genuinely scum. There's also a possibility you and Abne are scumpartners, which is why you don't feel like committing to a push on her, but even discarding that you're just

lazy

scum in general.

this post is so explicitly aggressive that I almost townread it, it's proabably why I scumread HPE less than DE and Flavor

I'll quote some more posts from EoD1 and SoD2 that I think are meaningful, but point is I'm pretty convinced that DE/Flavor are scumpartners due to interactions and the way they've been pushing others—weak to nonexistent yet towncoring each other, and IMMEDIATELY

My thesis: cw357 has perfected the art of the tinfoil. This one can't even really say he's scum for all this he's just completely and utterly tunneled. Like it's just fucking

mystifying

how much he tries to extrapolate from a handful of mostly early D1 quotes.

Don't really care to address the other quote wall(s) because this has been more than enough for me. Also going to be hanging out with a friend soon anyway and this one doesn't have the time or motivation to deal with cw anymore tonight lmao.

[HighPrincessErinys]

btw happy scumday HT

[HighPrincessErinys]

I need to look into seeing if I think CW/HPE is possible.

this one would NOT fucking play with cw as its scumpartner lmao

[HighPrincessErinys]

done hanging with friend and going to call it for the night soon but could someone give me a name or two to go ISO and look at later? because this one has been doing the thing where it focuses on like one or two people at a time and what everyone else is saying kinda becomes white noise again

[HighPrincessErinys]

Pav and Hu Tao

you got it boss, see y'all tomorrow

[HighPrincessErinys]

Pav and Hu Tao

you got it boss, see y'all tomorrow

Pav's ISO has quite a bit of townie energy imo and there's a few standout posts this one particularly likes, such as 335 and 869. In general Pav feels very genuine in alot of his posts and points and this one is happy with putting him down as town. Though this one also finds it weird how you tried to shoot down 870 ngl. 🤔

On the other hand this one has fucking nothing for Hu Tao LMAOOOO. This one couldn't reallllly get anything of note out of reading her ISO and when it took a look at its last games with her, Smuggler's Port and love child, it realized that it just cannot read her well because these ISOs are like all fucking identical. And she was town in SP and scum in LC so like!!! Fuck!!! This one still wants to put her down as a scumlean for her lame pushes on me earlier but that's really about it. Going to look more thoroughly later for sure, though.

[HighPrincessErinys]

my emotional state just got shot in the face, v/la for the rest of the day bare minimum

[HighPrincessErinys]

did not realize geras last post was that long ago how are they still not prodded

[HighPrincessErinys]

Coulda checked in with the mod during night phase to avoid prod, but yeah

that sounds like they'd be deliberately lurking then

[HighPrincessErinys]

Pavowski, CW, HPE team is possible

c'mon dude

[HighPrincessErinys]

im still pissed that I was (presumably?) wrong about flavor
UNVOTE:

How does this change your reads

see below

Oh I see, DE is scum trying to bait out the real vig
VOTE: DE

well this means at least one scum in DE/Kyouko, which I could have seen already.
I arrive at the following conclusion:
If Kyouko is town then DE/Flavor ig could be w/w? Maybe both Kyo and DE are scum
But I'm going to go out on a limb and VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko
prob should vig DE if kyouko flips town

I'm not going to pretend to understand the logic of why this post means Kyo or DE or *both* could be scum, but the more I sit with it the more scum!Dragon makes sense to me

VOTE: Dragon

This is definitely a scum post

Like Pav isn't even pretending to have a reason to vote me. It's thinly veiled OMGUS on a slot that he sees is coming under fire, when he needs to divert attention off hinself after the towncore starts suspecting him.

Game solved GGEZ

This one can see it with the example you quoted but it's still like, pretty pleased with his earlier play? But it supposes this could be a caught scum flailing moment or however you wanna describe it. This one will think on it. Reminder to me also to go and take a look at PM and Kyouko because they've not been on it's radar all that much this game.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I feel I was close to a full solve with CW, Pavowski, HPE. HPE’s AtE is strong, though, so I think they could be town, but then there’s a scum in the lurkers, so

Im town

And

a liablity!

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one is warming up to the idea of scum!Pav but it definitely feels like we're overlooking the lurkers even as we say "well there could be scum there..........."

I wish I could see HPE alignment without having to flip them, lol. that's a big key slot here for me right now.

also you could just shoot me anyway

[HighPrincessErinys]

Let me explain my thought process on Pav, because I sorta intentionally didn't explain it earlier as I'd wanted to see reactions to my vote on him.

Day 1 he was being voted/shaded for some eary game weirdness which I was willing to ignore as I could see coming from town. Then he made more posts which came across as towny.

However today with Abnegation flipping green and me re-evaluating my scumread on HPE (I think HPE is nulltown right now FWIW), I realized I'd been most likely townreading scum. And while his posts *sound* towny, they are definitely NOT impossible to fake, which makes him the likeliest person to be the scum I'd been townreading. He *sounds* like he's trying to solve the game, but when I actually read his posts I cannot an actual thought process about people's alignments to which I could say "yeah, this person actually had this thought and is actually trying to figure things out".

VOTE: Pavowski
Think this post hit the nail on the head for me especially with how poor Pav's D2 posting has been.

[HighPrincessErinys]

time to sleep tho

[HighPrincessErinys]

Why is CW so hard to get?

Because scum and town both are defending. This means scum don’t want CW faded.

It implies that CW is scum, or town who is expected to help scum win.

I think that flip is best here.

Yeah!! This one still really wants cw here even if it thinks he's much more likely to be town than scum because it's super clear that he is NOT going to be even REMOTELY helpful to town when shit hits the fan. It's just moved to Pav because it seems like its literally just the two of us who are willing to commit to cw.

[HighPrincessErinys]

cases with quotes are for scum or catchups.

:roll:

Convince me however you want. I know you know what I mean, and I know you know you are able to do it. I just want to be convinced before I vote there.

This one misses when you unconditionally sheeped FL

[HighPrincessErinys]

Okay after actually fully catching up now we actually have a cw wagon all of a sudden. Love this game!

[HighPrincessErinys]

HPE I maybe feel a little better about flipping, I'm a little sus of her recent change of heart on me (felt a little too easy if you ask me) and there has certainly been some opportunistic play there outside of that as well

You probably think it was a "little too easy" because this one wasn't exhaustively listing the things it didn't about your recent posts.

Anyway, VOTE: cw

[HighPrincessErinys]

HPE I maybe feel a little better about flipping, I'm a little sus of her recent change of heart on me (felt a little too easy if you ask me) and there has certainly been some opportunistic play there outside of that as well

You probably think it was a "little too easy" because this one wasn't exhaustively listing the things it didn't

like

about your recent posts.

Anyway, VOTE: cw

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one hasn't been quoted in so long it feels like a ghost

[HighPrincessErinys]

There is very little info to go on

[HighPrincessErinys]

Been already losing steam in this lategame but holy shit is this getting convoluted.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Pedit: Flavor can you stop being like that

You are looking under the carpet for reasons to discredit me

also this is kinda rich lmao

[HighPrincessErinys]

can you give me a short list for everyone?

Flavor Leaf

cw357

(but needs to Get Real or Get Dead)

DragonEater70

Hu Tao
ssbm_Kyouko (this one needs to bother reading her iso so fucking bad)
Purplemango

geraintm

Joyboy

Pavowski

Purplemango feels the best out of the 3 lurkers but all of them really, really need to start contributing.

[HighPrincessErinys]

can you give me a short list for everyone?

Flavor Leaf

cw357

(but needs to Get Real or Get Dead)

DragonEater70

Hu Tao
ssbm_Kyouko (this one needs to bother reading her iso so fucking bad)
Purplemango

geraintm

Joyboy

Pavowski

Purplemango feels the best out of the 3 lurkers but all of them really, really need to start contributing.

Why do you have Gera below the lurkers? And why is purple the best out of the other 3 lurkers?

Purplemango/Gera/Joyboy are the 3 lurkateers, and Purple's posts are the least shit out of them.

[HighPrincessErinys]

i think the fact more people dont hop on Kyouko is scum indicative of Kyouko. Why would scum not want a town Kyouko misfade here?

This one was thinking about it but got busy. The last few posts were pretty... yuck for me, even without my TBD ISO dive.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Let's not rush it through though, I actually do want the lurkers to respond

A quickhammer would be something tho

We could just vig whoever lolhammers if Kyouko flips green.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Let's not rush it through though, I actually do want the lurkers to respond

A quickhammer would be something tho

We could just vig whoever lolhammers if Kyouko flips green.

That was kinda my point

Pretty poorly communicated point then.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Also finally got around to that ISO lookin' at and yeah this one is okay with this if cw isn't possible. And even then it might just be tunneled as fuck on cw considering it literally acknowledges he's town, just a liablity.
VOTE: Kyouko E-1

[HighPrincessErinys]

Maybe it's the gummies

can you share before you go to bed

[HighPrincessErinys]

I don't agree fully with a kyouku hang thus I will not vote

def think dragon or hu tao is a stronger bet

I thought I'd seen you vote me already but I must be remembering voiced suspicions rather than a vote.

I remember wanting to ask someone who they thought was scum and why because it felt like there was a lot of sheeping of Flavor going on

@HPE, Pavowski, cw:

Who are you thinking is scum and why? 2 scumreads preferably

Direct yourself here. Only difference is you've moved into scum territory after your recent string of bad posts (126 to 130 in isolation, and less severely the meta defense is very Meh to me.) and an ISO review.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Okay, so what's bad about my ISO 126-130? I just reread them and don't see an issue.

First off,

LMAO

, second off:
126, 127, 128 and 129 are absolutely terrible justifications and defenses of the Lap wagon. This one earnestly believed in a Lap scumflip but it feels like you secretly knew the whole time and now that you're being pressed are trying to give reasons as to why you were totally cool and justified to push him regardless because you just hardtunneled and barely considered his posts as you did it. On the other hand, 130... Kinda baffles me because this one doesn't know what you're trying to say. Is it a backpedal? A moment of hypocrisy? "Oh, actually, I

DIDN'T

mean to say I'd do the same thing as scum D1 now that you mention it!"

in the post you linked you don't give reasons why you have Pavowski and Joyboy in the bottom 2. Why are your scumreads scum?

Well, beyond the fact this one

has

talked a bit about Pavowski as it was mulling the wagon over, Joyboy was just. Foul? Very little sense made in his posts and a completely nonsensical voting pattern that screams "dead slot". His ISO, small as it is, is utter garbage and of zero use. That would be why.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I'll have to look at your ISO to see what you've produced on Pavowski - funnily enough while I was reading my scumgames today I saw myself describing my play as "mulling it over" when I was basically coasting so I kinda think this looks like cover for "I didn't really SR Pavowski but he was the flavor of the thread"

No way... projection as offense...

[HighPrincessErinys]

I had already expressed doubts about both you and HPE earlier, this is just saying XOR instead of OR. It's not an alt wagon if it's just tightening down what I've already said.

You're definitely in survival mode nonetheless imo

No way... one similarity in our pushes on Lap...

[HighPrincessErinys]

I had already expressed doubts about both you and HPE earlier, this is just saying XOR instead of OR. It's not an alt wagon if it's just tightening down what I've already said.

You're definitely in survival mode nonetheless imo

No way... one similarity in our pushes on Lap...

My point is that pre-flip of Lap you had no issue with me calling him survivalistic in 301, as you clearly agreed with that when you reiterated it in 392. Yet when I bring up the fact that he was claiming at E-3 (the claim happened in post 260, before you and I called him survivalistic) in 1337, suddenly, to quote your 1465, it's an "absolutely terrible [justification] and [defense] of the Lap wagon"

You realize you can't just magically recontextualize that specific post into the only thing it was talking about right? And you're right, he was survivalistic, this one said that too, but you're still throwing that in with your designated chunk of excuses. Something tangible amidst the bull to help it look better.

ssbm_Kyouko (3) - Flavor Leaf, HighPrincessErinys, Pavowski

Thinking about how the second Kyouko is in hammer range a bunch of votes on her move off and around.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Actually fucking yeah thinking about the wagon shifts is giving me a brain blast. Kyouko/Hu Tao/Pavowski team feels very possible with Pavowski re-voting and trying to play it cool and not look too suspect after HT also gets off. Maybe this one is overlooking the possibility of Dragon since he's a townlean for it and needed a nudge from Kyouko (and similarly to Pav, has said it's only a temporary unvote) but even then it feels like there's BARE MINIMUM 2 scum in Kyouko/Pav/HT/Dragon.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Actually fucking yeah thinking about the wagon shifts is giving me a brain blast. Kyouko/Hu Tao/Pavowski team feels very possible with Pavowski re-voting and trying to play it cool and not look too suspect after HT also gets off. Maybe this one is overlooking the possibility of Dragon since he's a townlean for it and needed a nudge from Kyouko (and similarly to Pav, has said it's only a temporary unvote) but even then it feels like there's BARE MINIMUM 2 scum in Kyouko/Pav/HT/Dragon.

Gonna go take a walk and then probably go to the store afterwards but this is the solve honestly.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I think it's hypocritical of you to say I've made absolutely terrible justifications and defenses of the Lap wagon when you agreed he was being survivalistic and you helped push it along quite a lot actually, looking back on it.

You keep bringing up this one thing like its a smoking gun and not

one

aspect of a multi-faceted post.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I think it's hypocritical of you to say I've made absolutely terrible justifications and defenses of the Lap wagon when you agreed he was being survivalistic and you helped push it along quite a lot actually, looking back on it.

You keep bringing up this one thing like its a smoking gun and not

one

aspect of a multi-faceted post.

You think I'm being reductive of 1465? Here's the post - show me what I've ignored.

Okay, so what's bad about my ISO 126-130? I just reread them and don't see an issue.

First off,

LMAO

, second off:
126, 127, 128 and 129 are absolutely terrible justifications and defenses of the Lap wagon. This one earnestly believed in a Lap scumflip but it feels like you secretly knew the whole time and now that you're being pressed are trying to give reasons as to why you were totally cool and justified to push him regardless because you just hardtunneled and barely considered his posts as you did it. On the other hand, 130... Kinda baffles me because this one doesn't know what you're trying to say. Is it a backpedal? A moment of hypocrisy? "Oh, actually, I

DIDN'T

mean to say I'd do the same thing as scum D1 now that you mention it!"

in the post you linked you don't give reasons why you have Pavowski and Joyboy in the bottom 2. Why are your scumreads scum?

Well, beyond the fact this one

has

talked a bit about Pavowski as it was mulling the wagon over, Joyboy was just. Foul? Very little sense made in his posts and a completely nonsensical voting pattern that screams "dead slot". His ISO, small as it is, is utter garbage and of zero use. That would be why.

The part where you refuse to talk about anything but "well you said Lap was survivalistic TOO!". 1494 looks like it but it's literally just breaking down what your posts were which. Anyone can see. Outside of that this whole thing is just he said she said Do People Believe Your Push Was Legit and the answer seems to be uh, no.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Gamma can read me I am safe

Genuinely, what was our last game together where we were both town and I read you correctly?

also kyouko, why did you just auto assume gamma was town here?

Kyouko hasn't been very interested in Joyboy all game outside of hypothesizing him as a partner to scum!Lap (along with... 6 other players.) and some random off-hand inclusions in scumpools before suddenly changing her tune and asking others why Joyboy is scum. Now that Gamma's replaced in she's sucking up to her hoping to get bailed out meaning either:
A. scum!Kyouko thinks town!Gamma can save her hide with a "correct" townread.
or B. lol they're partnered

[HighPrincessErinys]

I need to look into seeing if I think CW/HPE is possible.

this one would NOT fucking play with cw as its scumpartner lmao

…

my apologies but my vitriol and venom for cw is uncontainable

[HighPrincessErinys]

Gamma can read me I am safe

Genuinely, what was our last game together where we were both town and I read you correctly?

:lol: also kyouko, why did you just auto assume gamma was town here?

Kyouko hasn't been very interested in Joyboy all game outside of hypothesizing him as a partner to scum!Lap (along with... 6 other players.) and some random off-hand inclusions in scumpools before suddenly changing her tune and asking others why Joyboy is scum. Now that Gamma's replaced in she's sucking up to her hoping to get bailed out meaning either:
A. scum!Kyouko thinks town!Gamma can save her hide with a "correct" townread.
or B. lol they're partnered

I don't think I agree with B. Since it looks like Kyouko was more pleading rather than anything.

Yeah it's probably A but still thought it was an interesting possibility.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Particularly just because of how she's interacted with/about Joyboy.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Actually fucking yeah thinking about the wagon shifts is giving me a brain blast. Kyouko/Hu Tao/Pavowski team feels very possible with Pavowski re-voting and trying to play it cool and not look too suspect after HT also gets off. Maybe this one is overlooking the possibility of Dragon since he's a townlean for it and needed a nudge from Kyouko (and similarly to Pav, has said it's only a temporary unvote) but even then it feels like there's BARE MINIMUM 2 scum in Kyouko/Pav/HT/Dragon.

I removed my vote as a gesture. Especially since joyboy was getting replaced anyway, day wasn't ending

You did it after Pavowski had already done it

Also we didn't know Joyboy was getting replaced by then either. HT unvoted in 1390, and JB's replacement announcement came in 1452.

[HighPrincessErinys]

That's my fear

UNVOTE: Kyouko

Same as last night blah blah blah I don't want shenanigans I want Gamma to finish the day

pav................................................................

[HighPrincessErinys]

I think it's hypocritical of you to say I've made absolutely terrible justifications and defenses of the Lap wagon when you agreed he was being survivalistic and you helped push it along quite a lot actually, looking back on it.

You keep bringing up this one thing like its a smoking gun and not

one

aspect of a multi-faceted post.

You think I'm being reductive of 1465? Here's the post - show me what I've ignored.

Okay, so what's bad about my ISO 126-130? I just reread them and don't see an issue.

First off,

LMAO

, second off:
126, 127, 128 and 129 are absolutely terrible justifications and defenses of the Lap wagon. This one earnestly believed in a Lap scumflip but it feels like you secretly knew the whole time and now that you're being pressed are trying to give reasons as to why you were totally cool and justified to push him regardless because you just hardtunneled and barely considered his posts as you did it. On the other hand, 130... Kinda baffles me because this one doesn't know what you're trying to say. Is it a backpedal? A moment of hypocrisy? "Oh, actually, I

DIDN'T

mean to say I'd do the same thing as scum D1 now that you mention it!"

in the post you linked you don't give reasons why you have Pavowski and Joyboy in the bottom 2. Why are your scumreads scum?

Well, beyond the fact this one

has

talked a bit about Pavowski as it was mulling the wagon over, Joyboy was just. Foul? Very little sense made in his posts and a completely nonsensical voting pattern that screams "dead slot". His ISO, small as it is, is utter garbage and of zero use. That would be why.

The part where you refuse to talk about anything but "well you said Lap was survivalistic TOO!".

1494 looks like it but it's literally just breaking down what your posts were which. Anyone can see. Outside of that this whole thing is just he said she said Do People Believe Your Push Was Legit and the answer seems to be uh, no.

So, the bolded above is not a part of 1465. You've alluded to this twice now - bolded below:

I had already expressed doubts about both you and HPE earlier, this is just saying XOR instead of OR. It's not an alt wagon if it's just tightening down what I've already said.

You're definitely in survival mode nonetheless imo

No way... one similarity in our pushes on Lap...

My point is that pre-flip of Lap you had no issue with me calling him survivalistic in 301, as you clearly agreed with that when you reiterated it in 392. Yet when I bring up the fact that he was claiming at E-3 (the claim happened in post 260, before you and I called him survivalistic) in 1337, suddenly, to quote your 1465, it's an "absolutely terrible [justification] and [defense] of the Lap wagon"

You realize you can't just magically recontextualize that specific post into the only thing it was talking about right?

And you're right, he was survivalistic, this one said that too, but you're still throwing that in with your designated chunk of excuses. Something tangible amidst the bull to help it look better.

ssbm_Kyouko (3) - Flavor Leaf, HighPrincessErinys, Pavowski

Thinking about how the second Kyouko is in hammer range a bunch of votes on her move off and around.

I think it's hypocritical of you to say I've made absolutely terrible justifications and defenses of the Lap wagon when you agreed he was being survivalistic and you helped push it along quite a lot actually, looking back on it.

You keep bringing up this one thing like its a smoking gun and

not

one

aspect of a multi-faceted post.

You're claiming that I'm recontextualizing/ignoring part of the multi-faceted 1465, unless I've somehow misunderstood which post you're referring to.

I assume "1494 looks like it" means you think 1494 looks like I'm addressing other parts of 1465, but you think it does not? I specifically made 1494 to break down the argument for all to see that this:

but you're still throwing that in with your designated chunk of excuses. Something tangible amidst the bull to help it look better.

(specifically calling it "bull" and "a chunk of excuses") Is reductive of my ISO 126-129, to show why the basis of your scumread on me lacks a town motivation. When I show you an inconsistency, you shift over to "oh that's just something tangible to make the rest of the bs look more legit" instead of considering anything. You make vague accusations that I'm recontextualizing/ignoring parts of your post, but when I ask you for an example you point to something that is not even in your post. You're totally in bad faith here.

Also we have to be talking about entirely different things here because this one does not get what you're even talking about in this post.

[HighPrincessErinys]

That's my fear

UNVOTE: Kyouko

Same as last night blah blah blah I don't want shenanigans I want Gamma to finish the day

pav................................................................

I think this was a good unvote. Game is getting a lot more analysis, and frankly, this could be the only time Gamma and I have to converse this game. CW vote looked baaaaad timing to me.

Yeah Gamma catch-up is important but it still tickles me considering my thoughts on Pav's previous unvote.

[HighPrincessErinys]

VOTE: cw357
Until I’m caught up, this vote will remain here.

based

[HighPrincessErinys]

I would love that vote. But it's likely not happening sadly. Flavor doesn't want cw

In a perfect world cw got shot D1 and we didn't have to play the game with a dead weight slot. Don't think he's worth voting up atp now tho

[HighPrincessErinys]

i get feelings of save kyouko energy.

It feels more to me like Gamma is going to get Kyouko killed atm

[HighPrincessErinys]

i get feelings of save kyouko energy.

It feels more to me like Gamma is going to get Kyouko killed atm

???

It just seems like you're slowly leaning more and more towards voting Kyouko

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This one thinks Dragon is

maybe

town but holy shit is this Gamma scumread contrived.

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This one thinks Dragon is

maybe

town but holy shit is this Gamma scumread contrived.

Not a fan of the Gamma scumreads in general but this one wants to say that's just because its in awe of her bringing this slot back from the deepest pits of non-contribution into something actually giving this game

trajectory.

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my motivation for this game is back

you had motivation for it at all?

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degenerates like you, belong on a cross (in game)

honey its okay to say you want him turned into a fine powder

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We still have 4 days, and I do think that the only town who is truly locked in for the day is Flavor. we can definitely swing a scumflip toDay if we all consolidate on Gamma or HPE and ignore Flavor

Completely turned on Gamma lmao

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This one thinks Dragon is

maybe

town but holy shit is this Gamma scumread contrived.

What's contrived about it? I didn't even explain it

Bingo!

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We still have 4 days, and I do think that the only town who is truly locked in for the day is Flavor. we can definitely swing a scumflip toDay if we all consolidate on Gamma or HPE and ignore Flavor

Completely turned on Gamma lmao

Where do I TR Gamma? Are you even reading?

Forgetting about the part where you kept pulling her leg going "yes!! you can read me!! im saved!!" already?

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Gamma/Kyouko being partnered would naturally lend towards Gamma coming in to

save

Kyouko rather than

kill

her, but right now Kyouko is sitting on E-1 with Gamma on the wagon and Kyouko is now trying to pivot onto Gamma, so methink it's just Kyouko here or else, if they're partnered, the plan has completely and irreversibly fucked up somehow.

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Think gera should have been prodded between 1244 and 1835 but this slot is beyond worthless so what's the point in bringing it back into the game anyhow.

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Gamma/Kyouko being partnered would naturally lend towards Gamma coming in to

save

Kyouko rather than

kill

her, but right now Kyouko is sitting on E-1 with Gamma on the wagon and Kyouko is now trying to pivot onto Gamma, so methink it's just Kyouko here or else, if they're partnered, the plan has completely and irreversibly fucked up somehow.

Well, distancing.

A good strategy is to try and split votes from partner to partner.

Kyouko over Gamma, though.

Can you like, get Dragon to sheep you again so we can actually maybe get a Kyouko scumflip before new years.

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Gamma/Kyouko being partnered would naturally lend towards Gamma coming in to

save

Kyouko rather than

kill

her, but right now Kyouko is sitting on E-1 with Gamma on the wagon and Kyouko is now trying to pivot onto Gamma, so methink it's just Kyouko here or else, if they're partnered, the plan has completely and irreversibly fucked up somehow.

If they are both scum, it’s a distancing plan now.

Yeah you're probably right, but you're also right that in this case we still should just flip Kyouko first lmao

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I would add that kyouku/dragon/gamma probably can't all be scum since two scum wouldn't buss the other (i think?) so imo gamma and kyouku are v/w w/v.
Given the presence of a vig (and if vig were to get rbed we have a d4) I could get on board with a gamma wagon. Seems like it's picking up steam. Don't love it, but getting a flip in that group of three is good. I'll revisit hu tao as well

Dragon has helped Kyouko wagon more than anyone, I think

...Just not when it counted.

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I would add that kyouku/dragon/gamma probably can't all be scum since two scum wouldn't buss the other (i think?) so imo gamma and kyouku are v/w w/v.
Given the presence of a vig (and if vig were to get rbed we have a d4) I could get on board with a gamma wagon. Seems like it's picking up steam. Don't love it, but getting a flip in that group of three is good. I'll revisit hu tao as well

Dragon has helped Kyouko wagon more than anyone, I think

...Just not when it counted.

They’re doing it right now. I feel like I come back to the game, and every time, Dragon has tried to make a push elsewhere in my absence. I think that’s all I need to be satisfied with Kyouko here today.

idk this one is just desperate for a flip, for some progress. This game is a ✨~special~✨ kind of miserable with slots like cw and gera and town's complete inability to cooperate.

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Like my soul might wither away if we don't get a scumflip today this shit is wretched

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I would add that kyouku/dragon/gamma probably can't all be scum since two scum wouldn't buss the other (i think?) so imo gamma and kyouku are v/w w/v.
Given the presence of a vig (and if vig were to get rbed we have a d4) I could get on board with a gamma wagon. Seems like it's picking up steam. Don't love it, but getting a flip in that group of three is good. I'll revisit hu tao as well

Dragon has helped Kyouko wagon more than anyone, I think

...Just not when it counted.

They’re doing it right now. I feel like I come back to the game, and every time, Dragon has tried to make a push elsewhere in my absence. I think that’s all I need to be satisfied with Kyouko here today.

idk this one is just desperate for a flip, for some progress. This game is a ✨~special~✨ kind of miserable with slots like cw and gera and town's complete inability to cooperate.

im in a category with geraint
bruh that's insulting

good.

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I had this written from the end of yesterday, but the day got cut off before I could post.

Flavour wrote

"I find it highly unusual that Geraint generally will sheep me in games ‘hoping’ or ‘trusting’ that I’m town to help move games forward, especially because I’ve been known to read them, and they hold off here even though I am conf town. That’s a weird read, but i think it holds some weight that they could be scum."

^^
I wasnt going to follow you today because it was a terrible elimination.

And that was my reply.
Yesterday was never not go to end in a town elimination and I wanted no part of it.
I'll claim now, as I am between watching Barbie and Dungeons and Dragons. I'm nothing.

thank you for waiting until the very last minute to decide to say something only to not be able to because you waited too long

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Honestly putting this here for now gera's pretty fucking stinky this game VOTE: geraintm

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sorry was at walmart, VT

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If we don't have anything from him or anybody saying otherwise in like 30 mins I'll go ahead then, would like to get it out there since this feels like one of those nights where you guys will go nuts and post 10 pages while I'm sleeping

its new years eve tho

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I had no info to go on

hey its this excuse again

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last time you said it you had 46.5 pages to work with

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I had no info to go on

hey its this excuse again

We had a series of votes on a townie on day 1 which doesn't mean anything. I planned on day 2 to not get involved in the inevitable terrible elimination, but there wasn't anything concrete to go on then to find scum. Maybe now the 2 wagons can be looked at, but I ain't doing that tonight

sooooo helpful

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HPE laying it on thick like that while trying to push Geraint the way they are almost looks like intentional connecting between Geraint slot.

This one is just calling a dogshit slot as it sees it, rather than immediately drawing conclusions. Like idk how trustworthy you are anymore considering you have the same air of confidence you had when you led two wagons on town and shot another.

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And you're pushing town again today lol

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HPE laying it on thick like that while trying to push Geraint the way they are almost looks like intentional connecting between Geraint slot.

Sorry, "intentional connecting"? Are you saying this is s/s distancing?

I feel incredibly stupid today

Think he means s/t "try to paint the other guy as my scumpartner" shenanigans. This one just fuckin hates how gera's been like "uwaaah theres NO INFO for me to use... and i didnt want ANYTHING TO DO with that TERRIBLE ELIM yesterday..." like ok dude if you thought the elim sucked ass why didn't you

say anything.

Part of me thinks this might sorta how gera plays in general but if so its a miserable way to play lmao

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And ... you're TRing Dragon again. Jesus Christ you give me whiplash sometimes dude

My theory is that FL is incompletely unreliable in terms of reads atp and is only good for shooting (which who knows if that's even going to happen again) and, like he said, the way others played around the fact he was confirmed vig.

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And ... you're TRing Dragon again. Jesus Christ you give me whiplash sometimes dude

My theory is that FL is completely unreliable in terms of reads atp and is only good for shooting (which who knows if that's even going to happen again) and, like he said, the way others played around the fact he was confirmed vig.

ebwop

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And ... you're TRing Dragon again. Jesus Christ you give me whiplash sometimes dude

My theory is that FL is completely unreliable in terms of reads atp and is only good for shooting (which who knows if that's even going to happen again) and, like he said, the way others played around the fact he was confirmed vig.

ebwop

I was gonna say I agree with your sentiment but quibble with your word choice, but upon further review, I do not

Don't agree or don't quibble?

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I don’t think town whines about it quite like that though. Feels like you’re more invested in knowing where FL stands than you perhaps should be. I get him being vig is a Big Deal but I can tell you I haven’t let his presence become as groundbreaking as it seems to be for you.

FL's reads are of particular interest as he's the only one I can be sure is operating in good faith

Problematic, since he openly operates in bad faith, and often, but shrug

It's kind of like cw but worse, where you KNOW he's town but you can't place any faith or trust in him because he's making bad plays.

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It’s also pretty clear that HPE more worried about discrediting than looking for scum here.

This one is absolutely calling you out for the shit reads all game here regardless of alignment lol.

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It’s also pretty clear that HPE more worried about discrediting than looking for scum here.

This one is absolutely calling you out for the shit reads all game here regardless of alignment lol.

This one wouldn't even have to think about discrediting you because it feels like you're doing all that yourself, if the way others seem to think about your reads is anything to go off of. If you weren't confirmed this one would BoP you where you stand.

It’s also pretty clear that HPE more worried about discrediting than looking for scum here.

This one is absolutely calling you out for the shit reads all game here regardless of alignment lol.

Like which ones specifically?

You ADORE completely flipping your read on Dragon, Lap was "obvtown" that you hammered yourself under the pretense of "well i always kill vt claims d1 :)", you somehow think this one would ever be scum with cw (LOL), Gamma suddenly shot down to second-worst after a seemingly positive reception of her and you started on the idea she was somehow scum trying to save Kyouko... These two posts right near eachother are hilarious because now HT is town and Gamma is... also town? But you also said that about Gamma not so long after your bender about Gamma scum. And then you also not too long after that you reasserted your readlist with Gamma and HT near the bottom. It's just... hilarious, really. There's alot of examples to draw on.

You've said yourself that you flip-flop easily, and this one agrees, and also thinks that's like a terrible quality to have as a vigilante LMAO. Your reads can radically shift from post-to-post and you can also be incredibly entrenched in one particular read and neither scum

or town

has any reason to believe you're going to be accurate with your gun or your vote. If you were not vigilante, this one would BoP you where you stand.

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my read accuracy is higher than yours at the present.

By virtue of repeatedly asserting that Lap was obvtown after hammering them. Very accurate, indeed.

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Because none of those reads have been proven to be incorrect, so frankly, you’re saying a lot of nothing hoping it looks alright.

ahhh yes the technicality of "well all my insane wackjob reads haven't been proven one way or the other yet so actually im good and cool"

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my read accuracy is higher than yours at the present.

By virtue of repeatedly asserting that Lap was obvtown after hammering them. Very accurate, indeed.

I said it beforehand too

did hammering Lap actually help you catch scum at all?
I think you are treating PRs as some golden calf, and that is leading you to killing slots you townread because “oops can’t risk voting out a PR!”

If HPE ends up being scum, then yes. 100%.

like dawg how is this guy real

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HPE using a lot of unconfirmed reaction test reads to try and bush bad reads and ignoring the fact they actively pushed both of the misfades as scum :lol:

Remember, Lap wagon gained momentum in counter to an HPE wagon Day 1 too.

And Kyouko ended up scum reading HPE, and Kyouko flipped town.

I hate that it’s in this position because I made this call in BTXVII and it was wrong
Can you point out anything I’m overlooking that’s different between this and that?

What happened there?

Idk. This is pretty standard “everyone push against FL reads being chaotic and wild as bad!” Which generally means I’m settling in on the right track.

This happens almost every time i get conf town.

And then i generally win thereafter

aint you the guy who wasnt interested in meta defense on kyouko

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In terms of advancing the game, my read on Pavowski, not to be a hypocrite, keeps fluctuating, but this one is... pretty deadset on gera here tbh.

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Do you even have a read on me HPE, or are you just saying this to discredit Flavor?

Also do you have a read on Hu Tao?

This one's had you as solid town for a while, partly because its a little wary of jumping to conclusions about you and forming a bad scumread like it has in a past few games. HT is still null and considering the circumstances that makes her closer to a scumlean because actually not being able to read her is terrifying?

Lowkey gera/pav/HT scumteam seems viable but it doesn't wanna overlook slots like you and purple either.

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Do you even have a read on me HPE, or are you just saying this to discredit Flavor?

Also do you have a read on Hu Tao?

This one's had you as solid town for a while, partly because its a little wary of jumping to conclusions about you and forming a bad scumread like it has in a past few games. HT is still null and considering the circumstances that makes her closer to a scumlean because actually not being able to read her is terrifying?

Lowkey gera/pav/HT scumteam seems viable but it doesn't wanna overlook slots like you and purple either.

Wait, when did you have a bad scumread of me? Weren't the only two games we played the ones Skygazer modded, on both of which we had opposite alignments?

Speaking of which, how do you feel HT's play here compares to Love Child?

this one is pppppppretty sure we've had a couple games where this one's made bad pushes against town!you as town but its 5:35am and it needs to sleep. it'll check in on that and HT tomorrow

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its played with atleast 4 of your various accounts atp so

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Farewell

this ones 3/5 tho ?

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How did HPE react to the D1 wagon?

countered to joining Lap. idk the exact time of events, though, but HPE was 4th on Lap wagon, and it started in counter to HPE wagon building.

In... counter to my wagon? Really now? Is this one reading you right?

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How did HPE react to the D1 wagon?

countered to joining Lap. idk the exact time of events, though, but HPE was 4th on Lap wagon, and it started in counter to HPE wagon building.

In... counter to my wagon? Really now? Is this one reading you right?

k, this is not new. this was talked about on Day 1 and Day 2.

cant believe it took me this long to check and see that this is just literally wrong lmao where are you getting a lap wagon in counter to an HPE wagon from? again, is this one reading your post right even??

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I won't steal it

However, I'll use this pagebottom to say I'm fine with a Pav/Flavor/Dragon town core for now

And I'm also going to revote HPE

VOTE: HPE

Lemme check myself before taking someone this one is wary of at face value

Okay checks out thank you :salute:
VOTE: Laplacian

Looks like you're just voting them since you're getting heat too.

VOTE: HPE

All roads always lead back to this VOTE: HPE

what's the HPE case? I reread ISO, and I dont necessarily feel it.

44 pinged me, can't say more than that

53 is weird to me because why does it care that thomith is "jumping the gun" in RVS? You kinda have to force scumreads in RVS if you ever wanna get out of it. I don't feel HPE's reaction is the natural town reaction.

240 presents something that is either NAI or towny (change in the way Lap looks at Pav,

after a reread, mind you

) as scummy to justify a vote, and it's also over-explainy in my opinion.

okay, this is solid enough for me. them mentioning Abnegation that way is interesting too, because it happened one way or another. I think if Lap town, one of HPE or Abneg are scum here.

VOTE: HPE

this is just the votes on me in general where are you getting a lap counterwagon from unless you just completely fumbled your sentence and meant to say this one was the counterwagon

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because lap was already well under way by the time this one was a wagon lmao

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because lap was already well under way by the time this one was a wagon lmao

keep on discrediting. only play ya got now.

answer the question prick

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Lemme check myself before taking someone this one is wary of at face value

Okay checks out thank you :salute:
VOTE: Laplacian

Looks like you're just voting them since you're getting heat too.

VOTE: HPE

this post is actually key, because it shows you 100% had heat building on you, and other players felt that too.

ht made this post when this one had. one (1) vote on it. You DIRELY need to get real here.

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another tell is you get aggro when you get some pressure. I noticed that Day 2 when I started pushing you, so I started to town read to make it seem less likely I was gonna vig you.

and saying that thats absolutely within my townrange to do is going to be met with "ok but i dont care" :)

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aggression is absolutely in my ballpark any time of day honestly, look at smuggler's port

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so who's scum other than Geraint, and why?

I don't care at all about you trying to discredit, id rather see where your reads are.

first off you're kinda one to talk about discrediting rn, second off:

Pool is Pav/HT/lurker/Gamma. This one really doubts theres more than 1 scum in gera/cw/Purple but at the same time all of them being terrible awful no-substance slots 90% of the time doesn't help. My primary concern is in HT because HT, as this one has noted, is fucking difficult as hell for me to read accurately.

On the other hand, Gamma voting cw during catch-up feels like a possible bus meant to keep attention away from her posturing on Kyouko until she was finished and could seal the deal, but this one is only really confident in HT/Gamma being aligned with how individually weird their interactions are, as HT likes pushing Gamma and Gamma likes completely disregarding HT's existence. Gamma has weird non-interaction with Pavowski too. HT/Gamma is definitely distancing, Gamma/Pavowski is... something. Especially with how Pavowski does seem interested in what others think of her slot and the way he talks about letting her finish her ISO.

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This one is pretty confident in town!Dragon but that's really the only person other than you that it can say it has any faith in atp lmao

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first off you're kinda one to talk about discrediting rn, second off:

yeah, but im conf town, i can do what i want.

idc on a personal level what you do, it's strictly game time when im here in the arena.

you discrediting spam makes us what to fade you more.

that's not happening with me.

that's the difference.

man this one just actually wants to know what the hell you're talking about with a lap counterwagon!!!

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You keep presenting CW as a do nothing slot, but CW's done a hell of a lot tbh, and i think, and Hu Tao agreed, that CW has given more analysis than you have, so idk why you keep grouping CW in there.

because cw killed my grandma okay

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Can we hammer hpe already? Its just flailing.

oh fuck you

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UNVOTE: HPE

I think you need to get more reads HPE. At the expense of spending some time rereading the game.

this one generally does not have the energy for full game rereads unfortunately

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ohhhh thats a weight off my shoulders

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so glad this didnt turn into a total demoralizing loss

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this one is a fan of somehow looking aligned enough with dragon to throw town off the trail for a bit

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none of that was even intentional we just kinda lowkey buddied up for the duration of D1