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[Oatsmaster]

Oh nvm she’s voting for me already

[Oatsmaster]

I do wanna take some time to also think about the game assuming that gob is town

[Luca Blight]

Since when did you townread Hu Tao?

Since I wrote my reads out, Im thinking that it’s fairly unreasonable to do a gambit like that without a plan as mafia and she definitely didn’t have a plan

You seem to have been scumreading Hu Tao for most of this day since her reaction test, so it seems odd that all of a sudden as you're writing out your reads list you become confident she is town.

why would mafia!oats be inconsistent with HT now when he is facing pressure just before his death?

Could be a few reasons, such as:

- He doesn't want Hu tao to vote for him, so tries to placate her with a town read
- To make her look a bit worse, or at least muddy the waters in terms of associations, following an oats red flip
- Because he wants to pick his battles right now - he can always return to Hu Tao on another day if he survives this one.

Why would Town!oats not consider whether the reaction test meant Hu Tao is more likely town earlier in the day? he has scumread her ever since then. You say oats made a good point, but he's only repeating what myself and other said ages ago. I don't get how oats can scumread her all day, be asked to give some reads and then suddenly, out of nowhere, decide she is town, based on this progression.

[Oatsmaster]

I’ve scumread Hu Tao starting day 1

[DarthPunk]

Since when did you townread Hu Tao?

Since I wrote my reads out, Im thinking that it’s fairly unreasonable to do a gambit like that without a plan as mafia and she definitely didn’t have a plan

You seem to have been scumreading Hu Tao for most of this day since her reaction test, so it seems odd that all of a sudden as you're writing out your reads list you become confident she is town.

why would mafia!oats be inconsistent with HT now when he is facing pressure just before his death?

Could be a few reasons, such as:

- He doesn't want Hu tao to vote for him, so tries to placate her with a town read
- To make her look a bit worse, or at least muddy the waters in terms of associations, following an oats red flip
- Because he wants to pick his battles right now - he can always return to Hu Tao on another day if he survives this one.

Why would Town!oats not consider whether the reaction test meant Hu Tao is more likely town earlier in the day? he has scumread her ever since then. You say oats made a good point, but he's only repeating what myself and other said ages ago. I don't get how oats can scumread her all day, be asked to give some reads and then suddenly, out of nowhere, decide she is town, based on this progression.

none of this makes sense if scrutinised beyond a surface level, he would know as mafia that he would get jumped on for this.

I find two explanations plausible

1.) he was under pressure and just slipped

2.) he is town and he just changed his mind.

anything else doesn't make sense. So it's basically NAI imo.

[Luca Blight]

If oats is town then he would have considered that possibility well before now. Hu Tao hasn't been suspected by anyone for a while now and *poof*, his scumread magically disappears.

[Oatsmaster]

UNVOTE:

Since when did you townread Hu Tao?

Since I wrote my reads out, Im thinking that it’s fairly unreasonable to do a gambit like that without a plan as mafia and she definitely didn’t have a plan

You seem to have been scumreading Hu Tao for most of this day since her reaction test, so it seems odd that all of a sudden as you're writing out your reads list you become confident she is town.

why would mafia!oats be inconsistent with HT now when he is facing pressure just before his death?

Could be a few reasons, such as:

- He doesn't want Hu tao to vote for him, so tries to placate her with a town read
- To make her look a bit worse, or at least muddy the waters in terms of associations, following an oats red flip
- Because he wants to pick his battles right now - he can always return to Hu Tao on another day if he survives this one.

Why would Town!oats not consider whether the reaction test meant Hu Tao is more likely town earlier in the day? he has scumread her ever since then. You say oats made a good point, but he's only repeating what myself and other said ages ago. I don't get how oats can scumread her all day, be asked to give some reads and then suddenly, out of nowhere, decide she is town, based on this progression.

Is there a reason you write this post only considering the perspective that Hu Tao is town?

[Luca Blight]

UNVOTE:

Since when did you townread Hu Tao?

Since I wrote my reads out, Im thinking that it’s fairly unreasonable to do a gambit like that without a plan as mafia and she definitely didn’t have a plan

You seem to have been scumreading Hu Tao for most of this day since her reaction test, so it seems odd that all of a sudden as you're writing out your reads list you become confident she is town.

why would mafia!oats be inconsistent with HT now when he is facing pressure just before his death?

Could be a few reasons, such as:

- He doesn't want Hu tao to vote for him, so tries to placate her with a town read
- To make her look a bit worse, or at least muddy the waters in terms of associations, following an oats red flip
- Because he wants to pick his battles right now - he can always return to Hu Tao on another day if he survives this one.

Why would Town!oats not consider whether the reaction test meant Hu Tao is more likely town earlier in the day? he has scumread her ever since then. You say oats made a good point, but he's only repeating what myself and other said ages ago. I don't get how oats can scumread her all day, be asked to give some reads and then suddenly, out of nowhere, decide she is town, based on this progression.

Is there a reason you write this post only considering the perspective that Hu Tao is town?

I wrote it from the perspective that your scum.

I don't see any reasons to believe you're partnered with Hu Tao, especially given your awkward reaction to her reaction test.

[DarthPunk]

If oats is town then he would have considered that possibility well before now. Hu Tao hasn't been suspected by anyone for a while now and *poof*, his scumread magically disappears.

I don't think there are arbitrary timeframes in place that town need to meet in order to change their mind.

[Oatsmaster]

You wrote a bunch of reasons, none of which included the possibility that Hu Tao was mafia.
That seems like a mistake, wouldn’t you want to consider how I’m mafia if Hu Tao is mafia? In your post of prospective reasons?

[Oatsmaster]

Like you wrote it explicitly with the perspective that I’m mafia and Hu Tao is town. Why?

[Luca Blight]

If oats is town then he would have considered that possibility well before now. Hu Tao hasn't been suspected by anyone for a while now and *poof*, his scumread magically disappears.

I don't think there are arbitrary timeframes in place that town need to meet in order to change their mind.

There isn't, but it's not a natural read progression when he has scumread her since then. For example, I scumread Hu Tao previously, but determined her reaction test was more likely to come from town straight after it happened, even though she suspected me based on my reaction to it.

It's just convenient that oats' scumread disappears when Hu Tao is no longer under suspicion, and she happens to hold a key vote in deciding his fate.

[Luca Blight]

Like you wrote it explicitly with the perspective that I’m mafia and Hu Tao is town. Why?

I've already answered this?

Darth asked me why scum!oats would be inconsistent with his read. I don't believe you are likely to be partnered with Hu Tao based on your reaction to her reaction test. What don't you understand here?

[Gypyx]

UNVOTE:

Since when did you townread Hu Tao?

Since I wrote my reads out, Im thinking that it’s fairly unreasonable to do a gambit like that without a plan as mafia and she definitely didn’t have a plan

You seem to have been scumreading Hu Tao for most of this day since her reaction test, so it seems odd that all of a sudden as you're writing out your reads list you become confident she is town.

why would mafia!oats be inconsistent with HT now when he is facing pressure just before his death?

Could be a few reasons, such as:

- He doesn't want Hu tao to vote for him, so tries to placate her with a town read
- To make her look a bit worse, or at least muddy the waters in terms of associations, following an oats red flip
- Because he wants to pick his battles right now - he can always return to Hu Tao on another day if he survives this one.

Why would Town!oats not consider whether the reaction test meant Hu Tao is more likely town earlier in the day? he has scumread her ever since then. You say oats made a good point, but he's only repeating what myself and other said ages ago. I don't get how oats can scumread her all day, be asked to give some reads and then suddenly, out of nowhere, decide she is town, based on this progression.

Is there a reason you write this post only considering the perspective that Hu Tao is town?

Still not an unvote correct?

[DarthPunk]

If oats is town then he would have considered that possibility well before now. Hu Tao hasn't been suspected by anyone for a while now and *poof*, his scumread magically disappears.

I don't think there are arbitrary timeframes in place that town need to meet in order to change their mind.

There isn't, but it's not a natural read progression when he has scumread her since then. For example, I scumread Hu Tao previously, but determined her reaction test was more likely to come from town straight after it happened, even though she suspected me based on my reaction to it.

It's just convenient that oats' scumread disappears when Hu Tao is no longer under suspicion, and she happens to hold a key vote in deciding his fate.

This seems like a good point, but it actually isn't because based on the game so far, oats should know he will get cleaned up from flipping on this read right now.

And HT will definitely notice, and is therefore more likely to sus him if she is town.

[Oatsmaster]

UNVOTE:

Since when did you townread Hu Tao?

Since I wrote my reads out, Im thinking that it’s fairly unreasonable to do a gambit like that without a plan as mafia and she definitely didn’t have a plan

You seem to have been scumreading Hu Tao for most of this day since her reaction test, so it seems odd that all of a sudden as you're writing out your reads list you become confident she is town.

why would mafia!oats be inconsistent with HT now when he is facing pressure just before his death?

Could be a few reasons, such as:

- He doesn't want Hu tao to vote for him, so tries to placate her with a town read
- To make her look a bit worse, or at least muddy the waters in terms of associations, following an oats red flip
- Because he wants to pick his battles right now - he can always return to Hu Tao on another day if he survives this one.

Why would Town!oats not consider whether the reaction test meant Hu Tao is more likely town earlier in the day? he has scumread her ever since then. You say oats made a good point, but he's only repeating what myself and other said ages ago. I don't get how oats can scumread her all day, be asked to give some reads and then suddenly, out of nowhere, decide she is town, based on this progression.

Is there a reason you write this post only considering the perspective that Hu Tao is town?

Still not an unvote correct?

Honestly would prefer if you just counted them as you saw them, I’ll correct them if I want to keep the vote on. Is that easier for you?

[Oatsmaster]

Like you wrote it explicitly with the perspective that I’m mafia and Hu Tao is town. Why?

I've already answered this?

Darth asked me why scum!oats would be inconsistent with his read. I don't believe you are likely to be partnered with Hu Tao based on your reaction to her reaction test. What don't you understand here?

Alright if you wanna double down that’s fine

[DarthPunk]

It's gonna be real awkward if you flip mafia here oats.

[Luca Blight]

If oats is town then he would have considered that possibility well before now. Hu Tao hasn't been suspected by anyone for a while now and *poof*, his scumread magically disappears.

I don't think there are arbitrary timeframes in place that town need to meet in order to change their mind.

There isn't, but it's not a natural read progression when he has scumread her since then. For example, I scumread Hu Tao previously, but determined her reaction test was more likely to come from town straight after it happened, even though she suspected me based on my reaction to it.

It's just convenient that oats' scumread disappears when Hu Tao is no longer under suspicion, and she happens to hold a key vote in deciding his fate.

This seems like a good point, but it actually isn't because based on the game so far, oats should know he will get cleaned up from flipping on this read right now.

And HT will definitely notice, and is therefore more likely to sus him if she is town.

He's getting cleaned up anyway. It's probably easier for oats to just put Hu tao as town for now than to find reasons to justify scumreading her when she won't be getting limmed and he has other more immediate issues to deal with, like surviving.

It feels to me that you will never scumread oats this game, no matter what. He has you well and truly pocketed.

[Oatsmaster]

It's gonna be real awkward if you flip mafia here oats.

I gotchu

[Oatsmaster]

It's probably easier for oats to just put Hu tao as town for now than to find reasons to justify scumreading her

You do realize that I didn’t put any reasons for my scumreads in that reads list, why would I have to justify keeping my Hu Tao scum read? As you’ve been pointing out as well, I’ve had plenty of reasons why I scumread hu Tao before

[Oatsmaster]

Luca, I’m not really sure what the problem is with dp defending his town read when you literally did the exact same thing with Dann.

[Gypyx]

UNVOTE:

Since when did you townread Hu Tao?

Since I wrote my reads out, Im thinking that it’s fairly unreasonable to do a gambit like that without a plan as mafia and she definitely didn’t have a plan

You seem to have been scumreading Hu Tao for most of this day since her reaction test, so it seems odd that all of a sudden as you're writing out your reads list you become confident she is town.

why would mafia!oats be inconsistent with HT now when he is facing pressure just before his death?

Could be a few reasons, such as:

- He doesn't want Hu tao to vote for him, so tries to placate her with a town read
- To make her look a bit worse, or at least muddy the waters in terms of associations, following an oats red flip
- Because he wants to pick his battles right now - he can always return to Hu Tao on another day if he survives this one.

Why would Town!oats not consider whether the reaction test meant Hu Tao is more likely town earlier in the day? he has scumread her ever since then. You say oats made a good point, but he's only repeating what myself and other said ages ago. I don't get how oats can scumread her all day, be asked to give some reads and then suddenly, out of nowhere, decide she is town, based on this progression.

Is there a reason you write this post only considering the perspective that Hu Tao is town?

Still not an unvote correct?

Honestly would prefer if you just counted them as you saw them, I’ll correct them if I want to keep the vote on. Is that easier for you?

I'd much rather avoid allowing you to make corrections and stuff cause it could lead to weird situations

i'll count them as unvotes and if you didn't want to just revote who you were going for, sounds good?

[Luca Blight]

It's probably easier for oats to just put Hu tao as town for now than to find reasons to justify scumreading her

You do realize that I didn’t put any reasons for my scumreads in that reads list, why would I have to justify keeping my Hu Tao scum read? As you’ve been pointing out as well, I’ve had plenty of reasons why I scumread hu Tao before

Because If you were questioned about it, you would have to justify it. And Hu Tao is still yet to vote you, but has expressed a willingness to vote you. I think this is a key strategic point here - you want to get on her good side if at all possible.

[DarthPunk]

If oats is town then he would have considered that possibility well before now. Hu Tao hasn't been suspected by anyone for a while now and *poof*, his scumread magically disappears.

I don't think there are arbitrary timeframes in place that town need to meet in order to change their mind.

There isn't, but it's not a natural read progression when he has scumread her since then. For example, I scumread Hu Tao previously, but determined her reaction test was more likely to come from town straight after it happened, even though she suspected me based on my reaction to it.

It's just convenient that oats' scumread disappears when Hu Tao is no longer under suspicion, and she happens to hold a key vote in deciding his fate.

This seems like a good point, but it actually isn't because based on the game so far, oats should know he will get cleaned up from flipping on this read right now.

And HT will definitely notice, and is therefore more likely to sus him if she is town.

He's getting cleaned up anyway. It's probably easier for oats to just put Hu tao as town for now than to find reasons to justify scumreading her when she won't be getting limmed and he has other more immediate issues to deal with, like surviving.

It feels to me that you will never scumread oats this game, no matter what. He has you well and truly pocketed.

There is a chance this is true honestly, but I have decided to trust my read on oats, and if I got bamboozled then fair play to him.