Kemusan - Game Over

[RCEnigma]

I guess this is what I get for going to bed.

Also this is my first dance…be nice to me.

[RCEnigma]

I guess this is what I get for going to bed.

Also this is my first dance…be nice to me.

kinda wanna murder you with a flail

Eww medieval is so 1300s

[RCEnigma]

I’d pair with LLD, I think she’s town. But I’m not a powerhouse if I don’t have a right hand to bounce things off of.

Cabd is pretty town too and I’ve only read one Cabd post.

Bell/fb prob town by extension.

[RCEnigma]

Cabd was able to put her finger on exactly what both bell and FB were dancing around when it came to ffer (sorry too many double letters I’m gonna keep it short).

So there is some kind of meld there.
I’m not too far past that moment. But I’d expect some kind of engagement with that if fb or bell were scum letting town reach that kind of conclusion themselves and there hasn’t been any.

So, good look.

[RCEnigma]

LLD being town is it’s own separate thing.

[RCEnigma]

I think she’s genuine in not taking the dance seriously. If there’s a track record of early exits via paranoia then the feeling of apathy is a very real thing.

I’m not usually one to play into AtE but I liked it here.

[RCEnigma]

Gents pairing together is a thing?

[RCEnigma]

bud

im making helps content here

rh9 is the scummiest slot in the game bud

scum RH9 never pairs with u unless the plan is to suicide kill u

Why can’t that be the plan?

[RCEnigma]

Actually I’ll just tell you.
I just think Cabd would be more cautious before talking about dancing fery, is all.
Dude just came back from long hiatus (as there is no such thing as retirement in mafiascum, only hiatus and a longer hiatus) and if he’s scum, dancing town fery would be one hell of his welcome back ride for him.

I see I see. I hadn’t gotten this far but you asking me about my line makes sense.

I don’t have any grasp on ffer’s alignment but it looks like there is some level of expectation that ffer and Cabd would be linked this game regardless.

Just playing devils advocate but I think knowing that going in, Cabd is very capable of playing to that aspect.

Does that invalidate my reason for townreading Cabd? Maybe, I’m gonna do it anyway though.

[RCEnigma]

Waiting exclusively on skitter but I’d like to pair with LLD or HST.

[RCEnigma]

i don't know if i like RCE but i'm always sus for some reason

i remember a time when the meta on you (bell) was that you were obvious as scum

that time is over

so im a little wary

Mutual.

Does Bell tolerate playing as scum now?

[RCEnigma]

Somewhat. I got over the posting rate difference. There are a lot of weaknesses still.

Just asking for clarity. I’ve got a really stupid reason to townread you on and I like the pairing with HST.

[RCEnigma]

Somewhat. I got over the posting rate difference. There are a lot of weaknesses still.

Just asking for clarity. I’ve got a really stupid reason to townread you on and I like the pairing with HST.

This is only slightly this-game relevant, but I have a question for you. In the First FGO game, as Ruler 2 you mentioned 2-3 times that you thought you knew who Alter Ego was. Did you actually have an identity guess there?

Gonna be honest, I barely remember that game. I probably did at the time but I wouldn’t even be able to tell you who I thought it was.

Assuming it was you though?

[RCEnigma]

Somewhat. I got over the posting rate difference. There are a lot of weaknesses still.

Just asking for clarity. I’ve got a really stupid reason to townread you on and I like the pairing with HST.

This is only slightly this-game relevant, but I have a question for you. In the First FGO game, as Ruler 2 you mentioned 2-3 times that you thought you knew who Alter Ego was. Did you actually have an identity guess there?

Gonna be honest, I barely remember that game. I probably did at the time but I wouldn’t even be able to tell you who I thought it was.

Assuming it was you though?

It was. And I highly doubted you would have ID'ed me unless you were an alt of a player from Ye Olde Days of Yore, or spend a lot of times reading dusty games from the MS crypt.

You wouldn’t have been any of my alt guesses. If I was really confident about it or let on being confident about it, then my guess was probably in the handful that is: Nancy, flavor, sky, baezu.

[RCEnigma]

Because if you're town he isn't bussing you, and part of the present scumread is that his early interactions with you felt svs

And if ur town that isnt a thing so that reason for scumreading him isnt really there anymore

(I'm not sure what answer ur looking for from.this question)

There's a lot of scumreading swirling around me. I'm trying to sift out the genuine from the opportunistic, and think about what a weak scum team would be doing about now, too.

Firebringer's read feels genuine to me, however wrong. I'm not sure about yours.

I think it comes down to what kind of scum team we have here.

I think the playerlist is strong enough all around that scum will have some percentage of dangerous players.

I guess motivations also come down to how strong the town team is. Which is why I’m not willing to throw away the idea that FB could be scum here. If LLD is one of the strongest threats to the scum team, 1 for 1 isn’t the absolute worst case scenario. I will give FB some leeway however since the same could be accomplished with another scum player.

[RCEnigma]

Of the unpaired gents so far, I'd most like to see Spiffeh, LavorManos and STD paired.

RCE and Fireisred at the bottom. I don't know what to do with RH9.

Any reason in particular I’m on the bottom?

[RCEnigma]

Of the unpaired gents so far, I'd most like to see Spiffeh, LavorManos and STD paired.

RCE and Fireisred at the bottom. I don't know what to do with RH9.

Any reason in particular I’m on the bottom?

The short story is you remind me of Ruler II. If I still have concerns at that point, the long story will be fleshed out in my last will and testament.

In what way? Because I’d argue that my play is very dissimilar to the FGO game. Not that I’d be able to refute 3 different players playing 1 slot in an anonymous game.

[RCEnigma]

Lavar I saw your post to me, I’ll elaborate when I’m off the clock.

[RCEnigma]

Fire you’re pretending I don’t exist, you know how I feel about that.

[RCEnigma]

Fb not fire is fire.

[RCEnigma]

Hi.

Greetings.

Salutations.

The world greeted me with both a feverish toddler AND 50k in damages flooding in my basement today.

It's 11:40 PM, I'm on like my 3rd caffeine-weed pill of the day, and I am fucking exhausted.

But out of the goodness of my heart, I will declare thusly: Ffery is so badly missing her old haunts that she's decided to just blitz through all the buzzwords now to get to the meat early. And... groan.... that means my chances for taking the leg up in our perpetual (not mylo fuck that setup) grind are up in smoke.

Lavar I think Cabd articulated well why ffer felt inorganic at this point in the game. On top of that it wasn’t to compound with FB/Bells read.

That being said it gave their reads a more genuine feel. It still holds. That said my bell read has evolved past this but my FB read hasnt.

Also there’s smoke around Ffer so I could be wrong about choosing to read it that way but I don’t know where or in what way.

[RCEnigma]

I don’t really have a read on ffer either way but I do feel like scum are positioning around the slot in particular in some way.

[RCEnigma]

Actually I lied I'm just gonna read the whole game fuck it

Town

Facts

[RCEnigma]

Actually I lied I'm just gonna read the whole game fuck it

Town

Facts

Say more.

They efforted.

[RCEnigma]

Ehh. I was gonna say I’ve only ever seen cakes!scum get overwhelmed with faster paced games and then end up on endless catchups with no agency. Which could happen here.

So I lied, vibe.

[RCEnigma]

Congrats on entering my null-scum reads

I’d like to thank, me.

[RCEnigma]

Actually I’ll just tell you.
I just think Cabd would be more cautious before talking about dancing fery, is all.
Dude just came back from long hiatus (as there is no such thing as retirement in mafiascum, only hiatus and a longer hiatus) and if he’s scum, dancing town fery would be one hell of his welcome back ride for him.

I see I see. I hadn’t gotten this far but you asking me about my line makes sense.

I don’t have any grasp on ffer’s alignment but it looks like there is some level of expectation that ffer and Cabd would be linked this game regardless.

Just playing devils advocate but I think knowing that going in, Cabd is very capable of playing to that aspect.

Does that invalidate my reason for townreading Cabd? Maybe, I’m gonna do it anyway though.

This was after me asking him about LLD read, but responded with Cabd read.

Actually I lied I'm just gonna read the whole game fuck it

Town

Facts

Quoted this post, but nothing about my correction after that post.

Are they AI? idk. They do make me go ???

Ngl I thought gypyx asking about the Cabd read was you.

[RCEnigma]

Of the gentlemen I think I want RCEnigma or LavarManos left out of the dance. The problem is, that seems too easy...

I kinda liked LavarManos's iso, though it's sparse and there's a lot of stuff he hasn't really interacted with so far.

To be fair, he’s really just PoE, nothing stood out to me too much about him.

I do find RCEnigma to be talking “around” people to seem present and I really hate the post where he calls you null but says that scum are posturing around your wagon without naming names.

P.S. I’m joining the ranks of the high tonight but I’ll probably fall asleep before 9 PM ET so I hope there will still be people around to high-post with later on!!!

Gun to head, I’d say FB posturing. I’m unsure about his continued scumread and I’m not getting a good read where I feel like in general by this point I’d be confident on him one way or the other. Like I said it could be just not interacting with FB in any meaningful way.

I’m not keen on playing both sides of the ffer fence so I’m not really making a judgement either way and from the talk around them, it resolves itself with Cabd regardless.

But I will say that ffer is contentious enough that either: ffer is scum caught out for the awkwardness early and the pair of FB- Bell is just town that honed in early, suggests Cabd also being scum trying to dissuade those reads over time. Or town!ffer is getting powered through, fire and fire come to mind but I really like fireisreds talking points in regards to their ffer read and how they’re engaging.

good way to make enemies on both sides but eh whatever makes me “readable” or something like that.

[RCEnigma]

I am actually v interested in ur reads

not nearly enough data but slightly lean scummy:
[LLD, cabd, gypyx, rce]

kinda scummy:
[firebringer]

i don't think i would necessarily say that firebringer is my strongest scumread but that may be because im not sure that i have a solid scumread anywhere. previously it was spiffeh for a while but now im less sure on that

I understand that your reads list is probably rightfully not really considering this, but how do you reconcile having Cabd and FB so low when they've both vocally and confidently claimed they will be leaving the dance at some point before endgame? This is something I'd really only expect from town as scum can easily be held accountable for statements like these. Is this something that's reflected in your read on them, or does this not really matter to you?

Not to step in for fire but.

I think you’re ignoring that slots like Cabd,FB,LLD, don’t have a high probability end game route as either alignment. If we can agree on that, an extra phase is a lot more valuable to any of those slots as scum than as town.

Just as a general hypothetical, if you were scum that knew you were exiting what would your play be?

[RCEnigma]

I’m sure someone exists that can read enchant but I can’t. But I also know he operates really well in a PT setting so I’d be fine with enchant/Ydrasse on a prove it contract.

Also, stronger feelings of cakes!town than I had yesterday.

[RCEnigma]

I can read Enchant

Can you? Can you REALLY though?

[RCEnigma]

I can read Enchant

Can you? Can you REALLY though?

100% Accuracy.

But right now is not game about being suspicious or not, it's about being likeble.


Previous game where "i was correctly read as town", only reason i was paired because cakes was way worse (somehow), and even then, i got scammed and left the dance late.

Fair enough.

[RCEnigma]

I think in general that how everyone is playing points to someone actively coaching a few players since there’s deviations to what I’d expect from them.

I’m not actually sure though, I’m not scum.

This feels like a half thought, I’m still not following.

[RCEnigma]

Spiffeh can be town, I like the lavar read. Lavar flipping red probably makes FB town as well fwiw.

[RCEnigma]

I made this post but I’m probably taking a break from this game for today and I’ll be back at it tomorrow.

[RCEnigma]

Explicitly within a certain time frame, your posting has been a touch more focused on ffery and otherwise muted but once again this is a very unlikely theory because she (gypyx) is still very likely town so moot point.

Err…aren’t you ALSO focused on figuring out ffer’s alignment? Like specifically so?

[RCEnigma]

I was asked to explain what circumstances my town read of you could decay and what I'd think was happening if you were mafia.

I'm still fairly confident yours is a T-T pairing.

Thought you were shading std for having similar objectives with the decay thing as a preface….I’ll just read first.

[RCEnigma]

I thought about saccing a lady not named Ydrasse for the extra gent flip but I don’t think fire/cakes flips scum between them. So 2 town for 1 possible scum doesn’t seem great.

[RCEnigma]

idk i think if LLD is scum there probably is scum in rh9/enchant

Wyzzat?

[RCEnigma]

I thought about saccing a lady not named Ydrasse for the extra gent flip but I don’t think fire/cakes flips scum between them. So 2 town for 1 possible scum doesn’t seem great.

two town for 1 scum wins the game in 13-4

let's say scum kills 2 townies with their only nk, right? 11-4

9-3

7-2

5-1

3-0

comfortably wins, lol

Well mafia is not a game of math.

[RCEnigma]

Skitter can you go over your rh9 read? Idk if you already have or not.

[RCEnigma]

I’d prefer dancing with cakes.

[RCEnigma]

why?

Mostly familiarity. I feel like you’d be far more likely to be able to weaponize me if you were scum than cakes could.

I don’t scum read either of you but with cakes I have actually seen their scum and town games and I don’t have a clue what to look for with you.

[RCEnigma]

Damn.

[RCEnigma]

Cakes said they preferred Lavar.

[RCEnigma]

Oh why did I say my preference not why didn’t I propose.

I just wanted to say cakes would be a better partner than fire for me personally.

[RCEnigma]

Sure,

will you dance with me, cakes?

[RCEnigma]

It depends on the playerlist and the game I guess. I’ve never been in a dance game but I figured I’d try one. It’s not really my game style and my wim has suffered for it.

[RCEnigma]

Actually the game is point you to for my town game with wim is probably Control.

[RCEnigma]

It depends on the playerlist and the game I guess. I’ve never been in a dance game but I figured I’d try one. It’s not really my game style and my wim has suffered for it.

so it's nai then?

Yeah, mostly.

I’m sure if I had teammates I’d have a sense of letting them down if I don’t get paired.

[RCEnigma]

RCE i would have danced with u, if only pooky didn't force us to be heteronormative up in this game.

We probably would have suicide bombed. Maybe even immediately.

[RCEnigma]

Actually the game is point you to for my town game with wim is probably Control.

Can you share a towngamd without wim?

I’d have to go back to like…FL vs Hectic

[RCEnigma]

That was like, several years ago i think, right?

I went on hiatus and came back to like 5 straight scum games. I rolled town in datisi uni but that was a pretty fun game.

[RCEnigma]

I don’t think my wim was that low it was just a slow burn kind of game.

[RCEnigma]

Eh, I feel like both of Lavar and enchant are the right choice and the wrong choice.

[RCEnigma]

I wanna say their town it’s just a super lukewarm read. That might be proxy of just being in the same gamestate position.

[RCEnigma]

fire never ever ever picks me because i called them mafia (and they probably are and don't want to just instadie because of my triggerhappyness) so i am willing to throw this one, if they both instaleave.

If you don’t make it I’ll push this for you. If you do make it, I’ll push this with you.

[RCEnigma]

Skitter can you go over your rh9 read? Idk if you already have or not.

[RCEnigma]

Skitter can you go over your rh9 read? Idk if you already have or not.

Sorry i missed this

I feel like he's looking into things / calling out things he thinks are important to solving, and is trying to be helpful towards the broader solving/pairing effort

Any specific instances? I only really remember his input with lld and comparing another dance game they were in.

[RCEnigma]

RCEnigma & SirCakez have paired!

Nope I wasn’t tripping on cold med after all

Look mama I made it!

[RCEnigma]

Ok but i don't think the difference between last night and this morning is such an increased level of apathy that it's worth dragging out just to drag it out as scum

I find it more believable that he's town trying to make the right choice than scum trying to induce apathy

Pedit @fire there's very little pressure from the thread at large for you to pick one or the other. If one is scum, i think you'd be having more ~engagment on this, and there would be more campaigning for one or the other. And if they're both scum i still think the othwr scum would care which it is unless the whole scumteam is people with low thread impact

Like from my pov either all the people involved are town, or both enchant/lavar are scum and the rest of the team doesn't care to, or can't, do anything abt where the last few pairs were trending

All of fire/enchant/lavar being scum seems improbable to me

if fireisred is town, can we burn this?

Stop saying things that make me townread you.

[RCEnigma]

I think from like mid-pairing stage that was a plan

Cabd/ffery would leave
Enchant if possible would take out another pair to force night
Where the ic/town pair would die

Putting us in second dance without the ic's thoughts
And i'm assuming someone who can carry is scum
I am looking at like fire/lld and bizarrwly hst b/c idk who else cabd thinks carries

Sadly bell is town

This was pretty much spot on with my thoughts on it.

My only, only reservation is idk if Cabd would specifically come up with this plan to undermine HST’ Town cred.

It could be targeted at Bell as well I guess but….Bell is just town.

[RCEnigma]

What did u talk about

Just you <3

[RCEnigma]

Idk about that part, but I haven’t reread anything from Cabd so if they had any hand in spiffeh becoming generally townread it has at least some wheels.

[RCEnigma]

What did u talk about

Just you <3

no wonder it was a short conversation
im not that interesting

Well mostly that you’re in a curious position and if you’re town you resolve yourself by…resolving yourself.

[RCEnigma]

I would refrain from making assumptions.
All I know is that Cabd had a game plan.
That somehow involved him killing himself and then enchant.
They thought that was a good idea.
They thought that was a good idea. …

Yeah I mean, I’m sure this was along the lines that skitter was thinking as well. Also I think enchant is a lol player but not a bad one so their exit was also calculated. Scum put themselves in a deficit for a reason and LLD being set up to work their way out of their death pairing was my immediate first gut reaction.

[RCEnigma]

Idk imagine enchant refused while they were planning and Cabd had a no just trust me speech and here we are.

[RCEnigma]

do u think LLD can convince me not to leave or something

thats at @cakez and RCE

Yes

[RCEnigma]

I have read 0 dance games.

[RCEnigma]

do u think LLD can convince me not to leave or something

thats at @cakez and RCE

nah this is just a scumsiding push to eliminate us because scum is worried i'll land on them and be right at this point.

They need me dead to win, not because I'll live to endgame but because I actually give a fuck now and I'm right and when I'm right on things I tend to have my solves come together.

Counterpoint. Killing you + Fire over rh9/Ydrasse doesn’t exactly implicate either me or cakes so why would that be the play?

[RCEnigma]

I thought you were town pre-intermission LLD and there is still a chance you are. Could I see Cabd exiting to get you killed? Yeah but that’s only if they didn’t believe fire would leave the game at some point.

[RCEnigma]

do u think LLD can convince me not to leave or something

thats at @cakez and RCE

nah this is just a scumsiding push to eliminate us because scum is worried i'll land on them and be right at this point.

They need me dead to win, not because I'll live to endgame but because I actually give a fuck now and I'm right and when I'm right on things I tend to have my solves come together.

Counterpoint. Killing you + Fire over rh9/Ydrasse doesn’t exactly implicate either me or cakes so why would that be the play?

She is not saying u 2 would kill us during intermission. SHe is saying scum are going to argue to paranoia her as an easy push because town are going to have the paranoia as well and its easy cover for scum to fake.

I’m saying there is no reason to even have to push LLD specifically when they are a bigger threat than Ydrasse/rh9.

Don’t you think it is a ton easier to convince people rh9 is scum in a pair with the IC than try to win the game down 2 players via pushing 2 of the more dangerous players in this game?

It would be immensely easier to have just killed you two as scum than not and up the difficulty on the wincon.

[RCEnigma]

That’s fair. I think that’s where the HST paranoia comes from.

[RCEnigma]

I don’t think rh9 was generally scumread but yeah fair point.

2 for 2 by scums volition is already an unlikely play so I’ll give it some more thought. Arguing for cakes’ position doesn’t really do me any favors either.

[RCEnigma]

How’d skitter’s and your (enigma)
Neighborhood good over the break?

It was short, I gave a little bit on why I flipped from skitter!Scum to skitter!town with enchant flipping scum and that there was probably scum in one of the consensus townreads (I specified slots that I wasn’t convinced convinced was town) and they brought up spiffeh/HST.

Idk about spiffeh but HST was the first slot that came to mind for me so.

[RCEnigma]

I don’t think HST is scum, I know their main and they’ve kind of been in a scum funk lately. Trust ff there.

I want to trust in FF’ solve but also my strongest 2 townreads are you/skitter.

[RCEnigma]

I agree that Cabd's suicide means scum is somewhere well positioned and not in the obvious suspects
I also think that might make Spiff town

I unfortunately think Fire/LLD may be a good pair to yeet here

These are contradictory thought processes, how do you go from one to the other.

*I think scum are in the townread people*
*Suggests eliminating a pair with two widely townread people from predance*

What's the issue

How am I a widely townread person? I'm a "kill at this point so no sense reading them in pre-dance" person".

How do you not see the contradiction of "Cabd wants to let his ace in the hole live to win" and "LLD has agreed to die, and can't escape that"

For me you aren’t the endgame part of the scum duo. But you have a fair bit of agency with the way you angled against Cabd specifically and I don’t think that’s just by happy coincidence.

[RCEnigma]

I should say that I think that’s your leverage*

[RCEnigma]

Idk what that’s in reference to.

[RCEnigma]

I’m not arguing HST is scum because you didn’t die over the IC pairing.

Just that Cabd/enchant making the choice to instadie suggests they are comfortable with the position one or both of the remaining scum are in.

I guess that’s a point in LLDs favor.

[RCEnigma]

Ah, I see how this is.

If I'm right, it's because I'm scum who knows too much.

and if I'm wrong, it's because I'm scum misleading you.

I missed the part where I was scummy in either case. You've not presented anything I've done, you're literally just spewing conjecture that "oh well she COULD be scum who just knew it was cabd!"

OR I COULD HAVE BEEN SOLVING LIKE A TOWNIE AND NOW I'M BEING PUSHED OUT

You could be town, I said that. But Cabd would have put a shadow over you regardless.

[RCEnigma]

I think I’m inclined to voted std today.

[RCEnigma]

Sorry skitter

[RCEnigma]

Ah, I see how this is.

If I'm right, it's because I'm scum who knows too much.

and if I'm wrong, it's because I'm scum misleading you.

I missed the part where I was scummy in either case. You've not presented anything I've done, you're literally just spewing conjecture that "oh well she COULD be scum who just knew it was cabd!"

OR I COULD HAVE BEEN SOLVING LIKE A TOWNIE AND NOW I'M BEING PUSHED OUT

You could be town, I said that. But Cabd would have put a shadow over you regardless.

There is more argument that Cabd doing what he did makes me town than makes me scum and thinking otherwise is just strictly wrong. It's not that it's not possible for me to be scum here, it's that it's LESS LIKELY and people are treating it like it's MORE LIKELY.

Oh, and also, I'M TOWN.

I think Cabd making the less likely play in the first place makes slots have to reverse their thinking in general.

Pretty much all of my takes this game have done a 180 because of cabds play.

[RCEnigma]

I’d be more interested in your solve thoughts than your defense thoughts.

[RCEnigma]

Is there an intermission after X players alive in second dance? Or can people just leave whenever?

[RCEnigma]

And skitter?

[RCEnigma]

Ahh so in my mind it was something like std/skitter voted out, spiffeh/gypyx. And if the game is still going fb leaves but if none of that hits scum then game ends on 4? Don’t love that.

[RCEnigma]

I’m only readable as scum….because I’m probably not posting.

[RCEnigma]

Bell I’m not really sold on ffer’s solve and by extension their reads. Bet I’m super willing to believe that you trust their read on HST.

I was townreading HST for pre dance and the paranoia is really only because of the exits (same with lld) so I’m just going to accept you’re a t/t pair.

[RCEnigma]

Being transparent I don’t even 100% trust my reads outside of Bell!town.

Skitter I scumread most of the back half of predance. The olive branch to the unpaired slots made me think they were positioning for more power from the less popular pairs. That’s only really likely if all of myself/Lavar/enchant were town.

Also thought they were pushing rh9 up to be paired ahead of those three so rh9+skitter was the scum pair I was thinking of.

Also didn’t like fbs rh9 interactions. But rh9 flipping town makes fb probably town. Shocking take, I know. But FB was the first person I remember being vocal about rh9!town and I don’t think it would have been necessary from scum!FB?

[RCEnigma]

Std… I dunno I wanna vote them moreso to sort lld but I can see a scum!std world anyway. I always find them aloof but I generally get a better atmospheric read on them early, didn’t happen here.

[RCEnigma]

I’m told that we literally need to find one other town pair to win.

Please try your best.

We only need one town pair to win the game.
Unless the last scum are in a pair together there is no way for scum to win if we can find a true town pair that we can trust that is town.

If u and HST are town and we just leave u 2 for endgame. We auto win.

Again that is assuming scum aren't paired together, which is very rare for scum to do.

I’ll nom it.

[RCEnigma]

Cabd why are u so confident on gypyx-town?

Wait, seriously?

I genuinely thought this would be a universal town read.

She's like, so transparently town that she's seeing the doctor due to ongoing green colored shits. (I recommend fiber)

374 is my biggest sticking point though! The way in which she immediately and urgently jumps down Turtle's throat for a read on me (which hey, there's no ACTUAL guarantee that Spay and I nuke ourselves and don't make town do it) puts her right in the forefront of the conversation about two players who, if she's mafia and my call on spay is right, are ABSOLUTELY going to be having their reads listened to after death?

That's a take no prisoners town approach and I am HERE for it.

Bell, thoughts?

I think it’s somewhat interesting that there is a small subset of slots that Cabd gave some semblance of a read on outside of Ffer. Those being (Enchant, gypyx, std, lld, spiffeh…somewhat).

But this is the only one I’d say they gave depth to. Only difference with ffer is they were openly vocal about their towniness and with gypyx it was in the spot prompting.

I’m not really making any conclusive jumps on the interactions with lld since they don’t lead anywhere tangible.

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I don’t have an answer, my initial feeling from an outside of Cabd specific experience is that they’re informed and saying they should totally be town binned.

But you see,
That’s what they want me to think.

How I felt about it, I didn’t want to feel crazy though.

I didn’t post a top 4 because it looked like the consensus was either sort in myself/cakes or sort in gypyx/spiffeh

I’m probably at Bell, FB, HST, Skitter

[RCEnigma]

i see.
tbh i can see a world where scum!you has partners that are in a good position rn and you not getting paired isn't that bad for them but in that world, i'm misreading at least one person as town.

might be reaching here but this feels like pretty weird logic from RH9 when RCE's buddies not jumping to his defense isn't necessarily indicate of their position in the social hierarchy of this game

just sounds like an excuse to reevaluate his townreads if RCE flips scum today

Kinda don’t think scum!gypyx goes at rh9 here late in the day knowing the plan is to blitz suicides and kill off rh9/Ydrasse on wake up.

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Skitter can you explain the HST scum read or point out some posts you’ve made previously where you’ve done so?

I think there's scum in the people who are largely universally townread
And there has to be scum in the people who cabd might be willing to leave the game to

Lld is accepting that she has a short life span, and there are not a lot of other names on the list. When i look at the game this way, hst is the name that pops out

Also don't think he's been trying to especially solve this second dance

I thought this to start the day but do LLD and HST both just nope out of the thread when Cabd puts the game on either of their shoulders?

[RCEnigma]

Fair.

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I’m fine with spiffehs route. I’m not super sold on spiffeh/gypyx being t/t but I think at least gypyx is town.

Std is a combination of me not townreading them and lld sussing them early which is 2 parts. I trust in LLDs accuracy of town and I feel even as scum they wouldn’t be averse to bussing at that point in the game.

[RCEnigma]

I’m feeling bamboozled.

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Deal.

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Putting my faith in bell/HST, spiffeh/gypyx. Please oh please.

[RCEnigma]

If you or HST are scum at the end of this game I’m gonna cry for at least 20 minutes.

[RCEnigma]

Just make sure FB leaves at some point. You guys got this.

Go team!

leaves dance

[RCEnigma]

Bell you did it!

Gypyx I scumread you all game up until I did an iso dive and you somehow just became my biggest townread?! Behind bell but that was a given.

[RCEnigma]

Spiffeh called me pretty town so I’ll take that as a pair read lol