Mini Normal 2327: Bird Species (Game Over)

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Good morning fellow townies!

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D1 threadplays are worthless.

VOTE: Black

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Sorry for not posting the past few days. Will take some time to read the last few pages.

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You guys just randomly voting to see their reactions? It really seems like it.

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VOTE: Hu Tao

Anime avatars are scum tricks. I'll not give into such deceptions.

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UNVOTE: Hu Tao

Need to read the last few pages. But I'm in favor of no exile on D1.

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As soon as people stop questioning me, you unvote, how convenient

I haven't been able to read the thread that much. I didn't notice nor know why people stopped questioning you because they should question you even more, especially after this post. Are you town?

I just assume they are joking. Snow is new so he may not know why it's not optimal

Are you saying not exiling anyone on D1 is sub-optimal? There's basically near zero info available on D1, so chance of a misexile is high. That's why I think we should start exiling people from D2 when there's some more info available.

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How do u want to get info if u dont lim? Besides scum would likely just shoot snow which would give us 0 info
The best info we get from wagons and limming

Wait for town info roles to provide info on D2? Conclusions from D1 train alone isn't reliable, they've to be combined with other info.

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We have two and a half days let's get a claim here

Be the change you wish to see in the world - Mahatma Gandhi

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As T3 and SirCakez voted each other, I'm guessing one of them is scum.

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Why can't they both be town?

They could be, but they both look scummy so I'm guessing at least one of them ought to be.

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Who's getting limmed today?

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I'll claim when I get to E-1

I think it's time for you to claim. There isn't much time.

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Isnt the day already over? Wheres the result

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Either vig or some 1-2 shot maf killed cakez. Also D1 mislynch. This is why I'm not too enthusiastic about D1 lynch

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Black and HT, would you two explain what were you doing last night?

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D1 threadplays are pretty much worthless. I'm more interested in what you guys did last night.

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And of course today's threadplay is going to be interesting. Get your stories consistent.

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What did you do last night?

slept well

Do you have a guilty check on Hu?

Why are you role fishing

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Awfully quick of Black to vote gob without giving the guy a chance to explain. Also I doubt a real vig would outright claim vig when they can just kill the imposter during night

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I tried to explain in my 787. 2 wagons, one against a townie, need to understand who is on the 2nd for D2 analysis. I have figured out that Cakez would be under fire at D2 anyway.
Don't understand Gob's motive. At first I even did not realise he was claiming Vig's role. Probably to find out who is Vig. But why a scummy me would have made a claim to challenge Gob-Vig if no-one is really pushing me?

Why did you wait to claim vig? I guess you had to discuss it in the pt first

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I cannot kill at N2. Had I remained silent and been killed at N2, Gob's claim would have been unchallenged.

isn't it the opposite, if you get killed during night, gobs claim would be immediately challenged. anyway, I too tend to believe such strong claim but wanna see gobs counter-counter-claim

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There is no snese in limming a conf-scum.

what? you can't be serious

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Don't think about it too hard. Let's fade scum

yeah no town need to think hard before limming. you act somewhat scummy here ngl, we ought to examine snows claim a bit more thoroughly. also can someone cast some light on black, i think her rushing gob lim has some ulterior motive. help us understand her with some meta

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Honestly I don't really care if you think I'm scummy. We have guaranteed scum within gob/snow and I'm excited about that prospect

or could it be that they're both town? Notice gob hasn't actually claimed he's vig, it's implied. But he could've another town power role and just doesn't want to give it away. This'd also explain why he doesn't want to lim Snow. And this'd also explain why you'd be so excited to kill either of them

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gob makes a lot of tongue in cheek posts. I didn't even take his cakez claim seriously at first

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I seriously doubt there's two vigs in a game of 13. Not saying it's impossible, but the chance is astronomically small. I'm more inclined to believe snow here, mafia are more likely to fake claim first than to counter claim to the real role. But one thing in that case is, other than by guessing, how did gob figure out the vig killed cakez?

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SmileyDude1, what do you think of Black? Do you think she's honest in her assessments or have some ulterior motive like I suspect?

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Do you think I'm scum with gob?

it's not out of the question. Voting gob doesn't exclude such possibility

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Gob is probably a goon. It's not hard to guess cakez got killed by vig and gob is used to lure vig. Black is his scummate and now is just distancing

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Because some townrole could've 1-2 shot modifier. What is also suspicious is rather than voting snow, gob is voting black. Feels like distancing. Why would a real vig won't vote a fake vig? There's something else going on here

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Only mafia can be too sure about alignments and definitely doesn't need to solve the game. What is interesting that gob and black are supremely confident about the alignments of each other and want to lynch the other rather than solving the game. While the rest of us still are trying to work out the real/fake vig. With that said, gob is a surer deal but his flip would implicate black

VOTE: gob

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RN is quieter than usual. He is more active in other games. This isn't a good look.

Also HT is trying to stay completely under the radar. I think the third scum is between these two

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Yeah its an ongoing game. Fine discard that conclusion.

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Gut's yelling me it's Gob and Black together doing theater.

I'll have to consult with my gut over this while dreaming.

my gut reaction was the same. something about gob and blacks back and forth feels manufactured. I can't pinpoint where though. I think gob is a goon but we'll know that at the end of the day

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If anything it's RN's vote that is making Black nervous. The vote is working well.
Posting after feeling sleepy means nothing. There can be many valid reasons for that.

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How am I trying to stay under the radar? I clearly have been asleep since my last post. This seems sus

you posted a decent amount last day and was almost completely absent today, at least from the beginning of the day till now. It seems you're trying to stay out of attention until theres a wagon formed on others. Now that everyones attention is on gob or black, you feel safe to post

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Gob + Black + Hu Tao?

strong possibility. HT jumping after the wagon stabilises isn't earning her any towncred

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Clearly I did want others to check in and have their opinions on things before we vote gob

can you try any harder to appear scummish. rather than giving your own opinion, you decided to test the water first

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Why is Hu scummy for voting for gob?

she didn't explain gob vote reasoning in detail, feels like just jumping on the train. also the vote no 4/5 should be scrutinised more. After 3 votes, the wagon can be considered stable and safe to jump on

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Gob should be our target today for sure. The possible scum team is gob + black + ht

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ftr i didnt expect anyone to claim. I was going to claim vig and get nk’d to cover for the real vigi. i didnt expect snow to out.

I was originally just joking saying i killed cakez but Black took it so seriously i sort of rolled with it.

one minute you're saying you did it to cover the real vig, next minute you're claiming you were just joking and rolled with it. What're you going to claim next?

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Black needs to go. Her attempt at distancing was poor and awkward. It never felt a genuine interaction between gob and Black, her response was over the top and showy. Just go and read her iso and tell me it's a genuine attempt to find a scum, she seemed to have made her mind throughout the conversation with gob. It wasn't genuine at all.

VOTE: Black

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Do you SR Black independently, or only via partner equity?

Not sure what you mean by partner equity, but mt SR on Black is pure on her back and forth with gob.

What was this about?

These are related to the following questions that I'll ask to SmileyDude1.

1. Can you go through your thought process during the Gob/Snow vig situation? You start out more so believing in Gob in your 813 and 814 then precede to pitching the idea that both of them are town and thinking Gob's vig claim wasn't serious in your 867 and 870 before you transition to calling him scum in your 926. What caused your thoughts to change at these points?

2. Was their anything in particular that made you think Gob was likely to flip Goon specifically? Or are you saying it's more of a misinterpretation?

All of your questions have been answered, you're asking questions based on my posts which are the answers. Now, I asked you a question before which you didn't answer, about what you think about Black. You're dodged that question which did not go unnoticed. I'll ask you different set of questions now, what did you do N1, SmileyDude1? Did you visit anyone? Who and why?

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NAS why are you asking everyone if they performed actions N1? You do realize this information only helps scum right?

I didn't ask everyone, only 3 people. And these information can help certain town roles too.

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im always cryin like a bitch

Arent you dead? Or did you get revive somehow?

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Whyre voting RN? Black looks scummy and isn't a VT, good chance she's scum.

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You need something to justify the RN vote. RN doesn't feel nontown yet, whatve he done wrong exactly? Black on the other hand is confirmed non-VT, had suspicious bickering with gob and it feels like she is purposefully reading few things falsely to fit with her narrative.

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Where do you see Black trying to manipulate things to push a narrative

It was a reply to one of my posts. Something like how much a Black wagon would get support which isn't what I had in my mind at all (It was directed at you). She tried hard to make me frame as a scum in those posts, she was falsely interpreting everything post to push that narrative.

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I still think it's NAS over RN.

Youre not explaining any of your SRs. Explain why. Youre getting high in my scumlist with every such post.

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Why would town!RN want to fade me instead of gob when he was under the impression that gob was lying scum?

I think RN mentioned at that point that both gob and you were sus. Since everyone was going after gob, he voted you to probably gauge your reaction. At least that's how I understood it then, it was clear as day that gob was going to get limmed that day, you never were a serious option.

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The vote counts say otherwise. We were tied 3-3 at one point

Before RN voted you it was 3-2 and there was no VC the last few pages, so its highly possible that he couldnt have known that it was about to get equal. I think he was just testing you, rightfully so. Youre interpreting everything to fit your RN narrative.

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I have a feeling NAS is going to ignore my last two posts. It doesn't seem like he's capable of reevaluating

I just responded to one of your posts. Theres no new solid info regarding you to reevaluate your possible alignment. Smiley's info didnt clear you.

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You're doing the exact same thing. You're interpreting everything to fit the narrative of RN!town and Black!scum

You're lazy

Im not sure if RN is town or not, nothing suggests he is scum though, no sus behavior. The same cant be said about you. HT also feels sus, there is absolutely zero effort from her towards solving the game. Its always one or two liners about how she "feels" someone is scum without ever explaining why. That is a giant red flag.

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Yeah ok whatever. I don't really care if you think I'm town or not. We're not fading me today so you should look elsewhere

How can you possibly be sure about that? Unless youve some scumbuddy to help you ensure such outcome. You either have the most or second most votes on you. Where is this confidence coming from?

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He clearly has portrayed scummy behavior, you just don't want to admit it for some reason. You keep bending over backwards to justify his behavior. It's weird

I'm not counting his vote of you as scummy behavior since ofc I agree with that. I cant think of any other posts where RN has shown anything sus. Your claim of RN is sus is entirely baseless, you've no ground to suspect him. His vote of you is entirely justified.

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I think Black or HT is the way to go. I'm leaning more towards Black, but can be swayed to HT. I'm still neutral about RN, again no anti-town behavior. Naerys & shaddowez need more examinations.

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HT, why do you keep SR people without providing any reason? Explain your SR on me and RN.

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I literally already have

Youre a master dodger, I just learned from you how to dodge any question. Just say I already answered it!

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everyone is seemingly fine with me being eliminated but the other votes have trouble going through.

You're getting quite nervous HT, do you feel everyone else is conspiring against you?

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This post is so forced omg. How does no one see this as scum

It wasnt and you didnt answer the question, proving me right once again.

Hu Tao

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VOTE: Hu Tao

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Is anyone beside me scum reading Black? Do remember you're only 2nd in my scumlist, your hesitation to vote HT did not go unnoticed. HT has been acting really scummy lately. Her attempt at AtE is laughable and it just solidifies my SR on her.

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Then vote me. I kinda am done with this game.

I think it's Nas and Shadow. Just remember that after my flip for tomorrow

Hail Mary attempt lmao

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It was an observation, along with observations on HT. Whyre you getting so riled up?

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You didn't answer the question and are still getting riled up.

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Shade you "now"? Did you forget I had a suspension on you for some time now? And I'm not the only one who felt so with your interaction with gob.

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Suspicion*

Damn the autocorrection

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Riled up? Why are you mischaracterizing me?

I can ask you the same question. Why did you misinterpret my observations to take it as a threat to vote whom I deem the most scummy?

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Our host has made a small mistake, the dead section says - "SirCakez, Town Odd-Night Vigilante, was killed on Night 2."

It should be snow.

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And alive section says snow is alive.

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You're being fooled at the moment. I am not scum

Do you think Black is scum? What do you think of Black's interaction with gob?

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The game is over, unless there are like 4 scums. Assuming 3 scums, Naerys is the last one. Either we lim naerys today or lim me today and naerys tomorrow. Either way we'll win.

I'm the town indecisive watcher.

My night actions:

N1 - watch black - smileydude visited black (Notice I asked smileydude who he visited N1 and why to check if he's telling the truth. I also asked smileydude what does he think of black specifically and didnt asked his opinion on anyone else. I did ask black and hu tao what they did to avoid making it look like im just asking a specific question to just one specific player which would easily give away my pr.)

N2 - watch snow - no one visited him (Snow outed himself and it was obvious he'll get night killed. However it was odd since no one visited him and he was dead. It makes sense now that we know hu tao is ninja.)

N3 - watch smileydude - naerys visited him (Again it was obvious he'll get night killed last night since he outed himself last day.)

So naerys visited smileydude last night and thats solves the game. Unless theres some godfather who again night killed and avoided my watch, 99% chance its naerys. I mean whatre the chances that 2 watch dodger roles are in the game? Quite unlikely.

VOTE: Naerys

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imagine me and NAS both town and scum is laughing in shadows

Your last chance now - explain how did smiley die when you, a so called "doctor" visited him? Either youre not a doctor but a town non-doctor pr role (since you can visit others) who is lying for god knows what reason or is a mafia doctor. Either way youll die.

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Of course theres also the possibility that youre mafia non-doctor.

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Heheh we winnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Town rejoice!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Yeah i dont think naerys' threadplay was that bad. It was my night actions that swiftly solved the game

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I dont get why scum didnt kill me though. I was always afraid from D1 that I gave away my role easily.

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we didnt suspect u as PR

hahah i won the game

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I need to reevaluate NAS because the way he tried to link me to Hu Tao as her ship was sinking yesterday really gave me the creeps

It was to gauge hu tao's reaction on you. Somehow you took it as a scum sign . On the other side, you delaying hu tao vote right to the end deemed scummy to me.

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Thanks for hosting, Ausuka! Good job fellow townies and decent effort from scums. Did you really not anticipate watcher's existence from there being a ninja among you?