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Hi hi (hi black!), it's been a minute
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How would knowing this affect your reads?In post 80, KayJayQueue wrote: I don’t know these people well enough to know if this is all sarcasm or not.-
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I feel like you're playing the newbie / "I'm so lost" card too much for it to be natural and hiding behind it sortaIn post 92, KayJayQueue wrote:
You tell meIn post 85, DragonEater70 wrote: Then in this case I will say they are sarcastic. Unless you think a game with 5 scum and 4 town is possible.
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I'm mostly just getting sweaty vibes tbh
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There were also these other posts that gave me this impression, which in spite of the light-hearted framing, still comes across as emphasizing your newness. I guess it's this behavior plus not commenting on other things in the game, hence giving me the "hiding behind it" feelingIn post 124, KayJayQueue wrote:
Well if it eases your worry - that was, in fact, a joke.In post 105, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
I feel like you're playing the newbie / "I'm so lost" card too much for it to be natural and hiding behind it sortaIn post 92, KayJayQueue wrote:
You tell meIn post 85, DragonEater70 wrote: Then in this case I will say they are sarcastic. Unless you think a game with 5 scum and 4 town is possible.
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I have DE as town, and gimli and black as probably town
Everyone else is a big ?
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I saw your case, but I'd expect most people to react defensively if someone asked them to start playing seriously on page 2In post 159, Black wrote:
Vote Hu with me? I'm fairly confident she's scumIn post 157, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: damn Black is here to play
I guess I'll wait for her respond to the Dragon read thing, but I didn't really see an issue with her 50-
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Wdym by you're scared of dann and kay?In post 177, Hu Tao wrote:I'm scared of Dann and Kay. DK I want to give more time to figure out with and talk with Dragon about. You Cat and Dragon I Town read. May is a ghost. This is where I am at right now
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My May read changed with nearly every other post of hers that I read lol
Why is this post scummy (or doofus)?In post 183, May wrote:
This post is scummy or doofus or bothIn post 74, DragonEater70 wrote: My vote on DK has become serious.
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This post did surprise me in a "it came out of left field" way. What are the bad posts?In post 200, Gimli wrote: VOTE: dragoneater
actually bad enough posts to be just scum in this game
@ahsoka: you called me sweaty early on as a maybe scummy thing. how sweaty would you say DE is in this game, from 0 to 5?
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I feel like the parroting case wasn't entirely generous. If you dig into anyone's ISO, I suspect there will be parroting. I do remember Gimli townreading DE and Black early, which I think were new?
And Gimli's POE solve is also very similar to mine. I don't really feel like he is scum-
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Tentatively, yeahIn post 303, Gimli wrote: what do you think of hu tao, btw? you towning on her?
Wrt to her initial push on you, I got some "welp I'm getting wagoned, better pull some reads out" vibes from her, which... yeah I've been there as town
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I kinda doubt it given what happenedIn post 308, Black wrote: To me it felt like something Gimli/Dragon may have planned so if one of them flips scum I'll probably be down to just flip the other-
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I feel like I'm reading a different game, which maybe actually points away from a KJQ/Kage team?-
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yeah this is a moodIn post 321, Gimli wrote:
everything kinda points to kjq/kage from how im reading thingsIn post 320, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: I feel like I'm reading a different game, which maybe actually points away from a KJQ/Kage team?
I found dannflor's push on me and subsequent voting kage pretty town
I don't think black throws a disgusting me/DE svs read like that if she is scum - and given that dannflor thought the same thing, the disgusting read might as well just be an impression townies are having given different standpoints
but anyway I'm not set in stone with this read, I dont think kage or kjq done enough to justify such a strong read either way yet-
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This makes Gimli E-1
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Can you say why those reads and progressions are not believable from a town perspective?In post 351, KayJayQueue wrote:
114 122In post 341, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: KJQ what about Gimli's ISO do you not like?
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Ehhh it seems like scum reading a certain anti town behavior rather than believing it is scummyIn post 365, Gimli wrote: I kinda don't think its kay now. I understand her scumread on me.-
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YeahIn post 369, May wrote:
Are you saying Kay is scummy?In post 368, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
Ehhh it seems like scum reading a certain anti town behavior rather than believing it is scummyIn post 365, Gimli wrote: I kinda don't think its kay now. I understand her scumread on me.-
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I'm kind of extrapolating the anti town part from the last sentence of 357. I personally don't think it's anti townIn post 372, May wrote: I'm not sure sheephopping is antitown
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What am I? Town, scum, annoying?In post 374, KayJayQueue wrote:
I think you’re seeing what you want to see. No matter how I answered your question, you’d have found a reason to believe it was scummy. That’s what I think.In post 371, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
YeahIn post 369, May wrote:
Are you saying Kay is scummy?In post 368, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
Ehhh it seems like scum reading a certain anti town behavior rather than believing it is scummyIn post 365, Gimli wrote: I kinda don't think its kay now. I understand her scumread on me.-
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I thought these posts were quite towny. I'm town reading dann now. Thanks for listening-
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I don't think she thinks that anymore. Does that change your read?In post 452, May wrote: I think black is town bc if I'm dumb for thinking de gimli is a good team she is probably the same dumb
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Still scum. I see the points you and others have made in her favor, but I feel like they're mostly casual tone and how well she reacted to pressure. I don't really consider those factors, because of how often I've gotten snowed on stuff like that. I think she still lacks some elements in her gameplay that I would have expected to come out by now for any scumhunting player regardless of experience.In post 469, Gimli wrote:
agree quite strongly with thisIn post 455, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Spoiler:
I thought these posts were quite towny. I'm town reading dann now. Thanks for listening
CSF, how is your kay read atm?
how are you reading black?
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I don't think it was a reaction test so much as an underbaked thought posted before it was fully fleshed out just to see what would happen. Maybe that's why you're getting these vibes?In post 495, Black wrote: I don't think I'm buying the part about half of the read being a reaction test. I feel like if that were the case then Dann probably wouldn't be so invested in defending the legitimacy of the read? Like he would just have admitted it was a lazy/weak read for the reactions and moved on
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Does hu tao tunnel less as scum or something? The tunneling is actually what makes me unsure about her towniness-
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LmaoIn post 518, May wrote: I think I've only read like 0.5% or 5 different hu tao games I didn't play or even consider repping into but I still have this vague impression she tunnels everyone everywhere all over the place
I'm worried about your alignment and the way you generate reads genuinely confuses me
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I've laughed at other stuff
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who do you think is possibly partners with Gimli? I ask because I don't really have a good answer to this one, and is another reason why I think Gimli is town
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I don't really think scum would be so eager to bus day 1 of a micro, because it's hard to come back from. He's attracting votes from almost everyone.In post 540, Black wrote:
Can I hear why you have ruled everyone out?In post 537, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:who do you think is possibly partners with Gimli? I ask because I don't really have a good answer to this one, and is another reason why I think Gimli is town
Based on 1 scumgame I played with Hu Tao and May each, I think they're both more cooperative scum players to do this to their scum buddy.
KJQ has given a grand total of like 1 read up to this point and it's "gimli scum," which also doesn't feel partner-y.
DE I've already talked about, and I think you agree.
The only one possible is Kage Ig, but it doesn't really feel good given Kage has been in Gimli's PoE solve
Maybe Dannflor but his interactions with dann are very natural to the point that I doubt they're SvS-
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I think we only bussed towards the mid-lategame though to give us that extraIn post 550, May wrote: But the last time we rolled scum I bussed you with a bazooka
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I think you're right about that gameIn post 562, May wrote:
I bussed you pretty seriously at the end of day1 in addition to the major midgame pushIn post 555, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
I think we only bussed towards the mid-lategame though to give us that extraIn post 550, May wrote: But the last time we rolled scum I bussed you with a bazooka
It was beautifuloompfover the finish line, y'know?
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Day 1 in micro though? I guess only you would know deep down-
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It's ok to parrot if the content is true and justIn post 566, KayJayQueue wrote:
Literally giving an opinion that someone else just gave…word for word.In post 564, Gimli wrote:
you made one read this entire game and its this readIn post 561, KayJayQueue wrote: Ah there it is again. It’s giving me whiplash.
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Ugh I basically have buyers remorse already from moving my vote off already, just more AtE when almost getting voted.-
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what does this mean? like the "wraps language around the dual possibility of every other slot" partIn post 593, May wrote: Kay's response in some sense isn't really scumhunting but wraps language around the dual possibility of every other slot in a way that seems alignment indicative.-
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Sorry if I contributed to this in any sense. Though I get aggressive sometimes, the intent is never to make anyone feel unwelcome, you includedIn post 591, KayJayQueue wrote:
SameIn post 590, Gimli wrote: I never felt so unwelcome in any game as I do in this one fwiw.
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what's your read on her?In post 599, Hu Tao wrote:
Don't fall for her tricks so easily. I said this multiple times last game and she was scum she's a sneaky oneIn post 582, Black wrote:
I don't think newscum writes thisIn post 578, KayJayQueue wrote:
Weird how before you were content not to defend yourself because you thought I was town and understood why I was scum reading you? Now you’re just being dismissive that I’m scum and giving the condescending “it’s fine”. I really do hope you’re scum and are just playing the part to put sus on me because if this is really how you are as town when you get heat (such as saying I’m not on your level and that I was wrong because I’m new) then it’s not a very inviting environment as a new player to come into. If everything is based on meta and “how they normally play” or “I always do this as town” it alienates anyone that is new and unfamiliar with past games or the players. It feels like a crutch to just say it’s a meta.In post 574, Gimli wrote:
its fine you're just probably scum this gameIn post 572, KayJayQueue wrote: Just because I’ve only given one in-depth read doesn’t mean I’m wrong. Until proven otherwise, I don’t see anything wrong with my read.
being on my wagon is smart-
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less than 48 hours in but it already feels like today's elimination is a foregone conclusion
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English was my worst subject in schoolIn post 606, May wrote: Just feels like I already picked my favorite way to say it in English :[
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Kinda agree tbhIn post 608, Gimli wrote:
scumpostIn post 602, Duelist Kage wrote:
More a warning that I will policy vote thereIn post 454, Dannflor wrote:
is this a comment on gimli's alignment?In post 450, Duelist Kage wrote: Gimli is role-playing Flavor Leaf. And DE and I may have stepped on each other's toes as soon as I started posting, so I'm scum for backing off for a while instead of hyperposting like everyone else.
As for a read, Gimli having and discarding reads like clothes is bad. It's a tactic that can be used by town but fits better in the hands of scum, who have no accountability for their reads because that one you're discussing is old and you just need to get over it. I'm not even reading closely yet but I'm pretty sure Gimli has both townread and scumread every slot in the game except me already. It keeps everyone off balance but does little to progress with actual solving, and comes off especially fake to me because somehow everyone else escapes his PoE at some point but it's always just consistently small enough to be considering one certain person my supposed partner at any given time. So the idea is nobody else feels too personally threatened by being scumread, because the PoE is minimal and the rotating slot is just constantly changing anyway. In a townie thought process where he's constantly re-evaluating, I feel he'd genuinely shake up his reads entirely from time to time and consider a world where he's just wrong. But I'm not seeing any genuine paranoia here, and that indicates it's a scum power play.
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Textbook lurker is perhaps uncharitable, but he wouldn't be the first person this game to feel like the game has lasted ages (relatively speaking, see Dann's push on Black)In post 625, Duelist Kage wrote:
This feels like a really fake reaction, given the way Gimli has been acting. He's literally calling me a "textbook lurker" when the game length has barely passed the prod timer. That's a false narrative and if you're town you should be realizing it here, not making excuses for him. This is a highly active game but that doesn't make people who actually have lives and can't spend all day every day writing posts and reading things lurkers. I just spent over 10 hours at work, where my ability to do Mafia things is highly limited and sporadic, so I will need to spend some time catching up on things now as I literally didn't even read all of the pages that happened in that time, let alone have time to process and reply to them.In post 610, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: less than 48 hours in but it already feels like today's elimination is a foregone conclusion
how in the hell
I don't see what that has to do with my reaction. We do not share the same sense of game time, probably because Gimli has >100 posts already and has been under pressure most of the time
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you've sort of lost me now. If you're talking about me I have one of the lower post counts on this board. The activity grind isn't on me. This playerlist is just a very active, very tryhard one. But if I feel like things are going down the wrong track, I will say so. I'm not sure what the issue is?In post 638, Duelist Kage wrote:In post 630, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
Textbook lurker is perhaps uncharitable, but he wouldn't be the first person this game to feel like the game has lasted ages (relatively speaking, see Dann's push on Black)In post 625, Duelist Kage wrote:
This feels like a really fake reaction, given the way Gimli has been acting. He's literally calling me a "textbook lurker" when the game length has barely passed the prod timer. That's a false narrative and if you're town you should be realizing it here, not making excuses for him. This is a highly active game but that doesn't make people who actually have lives and can't spend all day every day writing posts and reading things lurkers. I just spent over 10 hours at work, where my ability to do Mafia things is highly limited and sporadic, so I will need to spend some time catching up on things now as I literally didn't even read all of the pages that happened in that time, let alone have time to process and reply to them.In post 610, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: less than 48 hours in but it already feels like today's elimination is a foregone conclusion
how in the hell
I don't see what that has to do with my reaction. We do not share the same sense of game time, probably because Gimli has >100 posts already and has been under pressure most of the time
I think what posts you have written are scummy, activity asideI don't see what thatdoesn'thave to do with your reaction. If you think things are set in stone already, and it's not even been 48 hours, shouldn't that be your cue toslow downand stop feeding the activity grind? Alignment is not determined based on who can post the most.
And I look forward to finding your explanation on why you think I'm scummy because I'm not sure I've seen it yet. Maybe you were the one who thought I posted fluff because I made a few jokes at the start? Sorry I expected this game and the players to be fun, I guess. You usually are or I wouldn't have signed up.
If you're talking about Gimli, he is the top poster, because you're going to post when you're under pressure. As KJQ noted, if he stops posting, he could just get limmed.
Yeah the fluff and I also thought the way you presented your read in 602 was unnatural. I guess Black put it best-
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You got queue snipedIn post 656, Doctor Drew wrote:No, I tried to sign up before you and was banished to the repp queue by our ruthless overlord Datisi
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I like scotch if it helps
I have a nice bottle of Speyside waiting, but unfortunately it's Monday and I promised to treat myself on Fridays and Saturdays only-
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It's a generic Costco branded one. It's really good! If you live near a Costco, I highly recommend-
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First, I am Actually Defending GimliIn post 667, Duelist Kage wrote:In post 650, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: you've sort of lost me now. If you're talking about me I have one of the lower post counts on this board. The activity grind isn't on me. This playerlist is just a very active, very tryhard one. But if I feel like things are going down the wrong track, I will say so. I'm not sure what the issue is?
If you're talking about Gimli, he is the top poster, because you're going to post when you're under pressure. As KJQ noted, if he stops posting, he could just get limmed.
Yeah the fluff and I also thought the way you presented your read in 602 was unnatural. I guess Black put it best
You're saying that "things are moving too fast" because you don't want to push Gimli. But Gimli has been the one stoking the fire of how fast things are moving, with his rapid churn of reads and solves and calling me lurkscum for taking a break when stuff got tense (even though I still don't understand why Dragon was offended by me making a joke about him listening to Dannflor ). So why are you appealing tootherpeople instead of advising Gimli to take a breath? There was nothing 'set in stone' about what was going on- look, nowI'mthe one most at risk of getting flipped today! This is what happens when people actually allow time for others to talk! So your analysis was just plain wrong and reads as you trying to defend Gimli without actually defending him, just complaining about how faaaaast it's all happening. It was just a matter of hours ago that Kay was getting scrutinized for unvoting with him at E-1 and nobody but her thought there was a risk of the wagon actually getting hammered already. Where is this sense of despair and urgency coming from?
I appealed directly to Black earlier to move her vote off bc I think she's town, and I am pleasantly surprised she moved her vote off but I wasn't sure she was going to and I didn't anticipate her to
I complained bc I don't want my townread to get elimmed. Ultimately other players are the ones who need to move their votes. I already complained about how everyone seems to want to vote Gimli out (and said that's one reason he's town). With you angling to vote there, that'sone moreperson that wants him out.
(I don't think you actually disagree with this based on: "[Gimli] needs to be resolved first because if he's actually town he's not going to be trusted byanyone." (last part of 602))
I still don't know why you believe any of this is scummy behavior. It seems like it was because I misread the timing of the thread? No I don't think I did, and I think if Black hadn't been suspicious of 602, we would possibly be in a very different place. Even so, Gimli and your wagons are still tied. But really it feels more like I'm arguing with scum-
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tl;dr I don't get why this mattersIn post 667, Duelist Kage wrote: So why are you appealing to other people instead of advising Gimli to take a breath?-
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I meant to ask, what prompted you to say this? She's voting the same person as you after all, so the "dysfunctional" bit seems like a strange accusationIn post 642, May wrote:
Ok but like you do know you have to like prioritize alignment over all the other stuff at some juncture this game rightIn post 632, KayJayQueue wrote: Maybe the reason Gimli is under so much pressure is directly related to having >100 posts. The one thing I’ll agree on that kage said is that Gimli accused nearly everyone of being scum and town at some point. Throwing reads out like they’re candy doesn’t instill much trust in someone because they’ve shown that come the next page, they’ll have moved onto a different read. It’s hard to work with someone that is that indecisive when every time they give a new read, it feels like it’s with full confidence. I can’t trust that behavior, no matter the alignment.
You kinda make the game dysfunctional if you treat "bad is the same as being on the other team!" As part of the game nothing is possible to accomplish-
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But the bolded was always true! Why now is what I'm wondering about
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