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Fire after giving it some thought, I'll give you an out.
Why is Ydrasse town-
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how much of that is play related and how much is that role related-
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Inaction is action and can accomplish wolf goals.
The best wolves will only respond to situations when the ball is in their court.
Speculate on their role openly please. If they're shot within these last 2 hours, that is good for village.-
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My impression of wolf!Ydra from Swinger's ball is that she doesn't like playing wolf, and that we both awaited for our deaths patiently.
I've never seen her play wolf, so I think she TMI'd her way through the day phase because she wasn't pressured to do anything. It would also be very similar to what she would probably think as town as well (not that I would know! My most notable town!Ydra impression was from the undertale game where eventually I think she just made herself obviously town, at least, I don't remember fos'ing her by the end of the game).
A wolf pretending to be something they're not, and getting away with it is cheesy and it's not something I would want to lose to. I have objectively no reason to TR this slot if we're basing this on play.-
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no I don't care about it.In post 1797, Von Payne wrote:In post 1795, Catgirl Chipotle wrote: Inaction is action and can accomplish wolf goals.
The best wolves will only respond to situations when the ball is in their court.
Speculate on their role openly please. If they're shot within these last 2 hours, that is good for village.
Allow me to be Drew here for a momentIn post 1796, Sunflower wrote: i think most people probably have the same idea but i also don't really see how that would be helpful in any way to do here
But do you think there is anything to them adamantly not wanting to be a part of this hood?
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it is the only way this conversation progressesIn post 1796, Sunflower wrote: i think most people probably have the same idea but i also don't really see how that would be helpful in any way to do here
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ok but this is what I want to talk about.
I'm not interested in entertaining a wolf!prism read. My read on them is I think they're just town.
I think enchant is townie and gimli was probably just town and not mafia. I also think it's easy as shit to fos' that slot. Everything about that slot says it SHOULD be a wolf, but they paraphrased notes they had. It's bizarre to think someone would go that far as a wolf, I just don't see it. That post is truly gamewarping to me. Not interested in reads here.
I'm not entertaining fos' on Von Payne either. That slot is very clearly just uninformed to me.
The only thing that's notable about Dan to me is they pointed out why Dragon died. After Kyoko dies, if you wanna kill this because you don't wanna lose to Dan bussing, fine, I don't care. Maria thinks Dan is townie, and I'll support it. I don't think he bussed. That's just my read on the situation, like how my read on Prism is that they're just town.
Ravens or Ydra
if you're town, and you have some strong compelling reason not to kill Ydra and Ydra does just end up being town, because that would be just what makes sense, then you can kill ravens and dan after killing Kyoko and ya you would probably just win.
If you won't consider Ydra, and I don't wanna consider Ravens, what are we left with?
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It is pro-town if Ydra dies to a night kill. The village likes that.
We can at least agree this much, ya?-
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oh look, prism was town-
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winners win
losers lose-
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- they're not voting catgirl chipotleIn post 1816, ActionDan wrote: Prism tricked scum into thinking they were the dreamer.
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I don't get how you reached that conclusion but I just saw Prism as obvtown-
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I'm literally not voting any other players this day that aren't kyoko btw. I'm keeping my vote on her until she dies. If its me vs them in Final whatever, I'm voting her immediately-
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In post 1490, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: I mean I technically played enough games with you too. This is frozen angel-
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Another push on a townie ic-
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How about you throw your read away and you sheep meIn post 1888, ActionDan wrote: Thread locked before I could post, but I took the time to reread Kirk's blessedly compact iso, thoughts below:
Rereading Kiri throughly now doesn't change my initial read after her Hu Tao case. That is still town. For the Hu case itself I remember catgirls describe it as cold and analytical but I still don't have that impression, it does have heart. I also do not see much to criticize Day 2. The focus on players pretty much dropped to just Von and Catgirls but I think that's very understandable as Kiri playing defensively in response to scumreads by both and having previous questions/concerns with either slot that clearly ballooned. I dont see how their posts and progression more likely would come from scum than town.
Will reread SR next.
Also as an aside I thought Gimli got very comfortable reading me as locktown for no good reason really and was thinking he might have been scum afterall. But am curious to hear why he went the other way for you Catgirl.
Still don't have a particularly strong scum suspect. I will be Isoing one by one.-
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You have no good suspects
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like Dan literally nothing you posted about can't be done by wolf!Kyoko-
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Unless you think you're just a better player than me?-
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I have to be this way.
Frozen Angel does not lose wolf games.-
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I am betting the game that Kyoko flips wolf.-
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Kyoko and then 1 of {Silver Ravens, Sunflower} we can throw in Ydrasse but I don't really feel that in my heart.
I'm not voting Silver Ravens today or ever before Kyoko is flipped.
I have good feelings about this game.
If you don't have good feelings about suspects, either find them or sheep the person who does and is known to be competent.-
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ya sure vote kyokoIn post 1899, Enchant wrote: Can i lurk out this phase please?-
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I mean if kyoko was town this would be a whole different game.In post 1898, ActionDan wrote: I know you are very keen on this. I do think wolf Kyoto can do this. Just find it not more likely than a town Kyoto. What differences would we see if Kyoto was town here?
This is not a question that I know how to answer.
The matter of the situation is that there are people who are town, and there are people who are not town, and Kyoko is one of the people that are not town in this game.-
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Like, it's not a meta thing.
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FA has developed a lot over the years as a playerIn post 1904, ActionDan wrote: My memory of FA is a bit foggy but if I recall they were frequently a fade as town and scum and I am surprised they are Kiri because Kiri's play here regardless of alignment is rather sophisticated. So I suppose I am curious to learn more, and see what Ali is talking about with pulling all the stops etc in support of their scummates or even what it means to not lose wolf games in context-
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- There are 2 wolves on Hu Tao's wagon. Kyoko is hunting as if there are 2-3 wolves on wagon, as she thinks wolves are Von Payne + Me. This is what she wants you to believe.In post 1905, ActionDan wrote: I do get this. Many games I've had where the list pairs down to like 6-8 players and you just know ~75% are town. I think I may get there if I iso.
- If not for Kyoko's efforts, I think it was decently likely we kill a wolf, like Aureal. Because she made the post that she did, she effectively influenced people into wanting to go Hu Tao over following Klick onto something like Aureal, because Day 1 we had a lot of people that people felt were ok to be killed off, it was a matter of wolves moving the vote to where they want it to be. There is a reason why I am saying Kyoko + Aureal = 2 wolves on wolf wagon.
- Additionally, Aureal is a 1-shot strongkill if I am correct. There is agency in wanting to protect this role to at least resolve a strongman shot before killing it.
- See 1900
- If Kyoko is not a wolf, what the fuck is happening in this game? I ultimately need Kyoko flipped because if she's town, it will help me figure this out and I would need to question everything that I know. It just makes sense.-
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Gun to head, is this a town post or a wolf post?In post 1133, Gimli wrote:In post 1129, Catgirl Chipotle wrote: Can I just say how ironic this is considering you openly said you're going to "not talk to any of your wolfreads and ignore them?" I'm not as sold as my hydra partner is on you being a wolf Gimli but when your reads change entirely overly irl days with barely any posts in-between in some instances to justify those flips it's odd. Then to have the confidence to go "My wolfreads are so correct that I'm going to ignore them!" Like, to me you have to be a wolf making this up or this is a new level of egotistical delusion that I haven't seen before.
Let's not forget if I remember correctly a lot of this was made during the first moon phase.Spoiler: some of my PT work-
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It's so interesting that 1 post + replacement changes my read on this player completely because if you look at for example this post, the world view that Gimli is pushing is the exact same as what Kyoko wantsIn post 1328, Gimli wrote:
let me update thisIn post 1292, Gimli wrote:ActionDan
Von Payne (Black/Doctor Drew hydra)
Kyoko Kirigiri
Prism
Aureal
Catgirl Chipotle (Alisae/MariaR hydra)
Silver Ravens (GuyInFreezer/Dunnstral hydra)
Sunflower (fireisredsir/JupiterXV hydra)
Ydrasse
dis where I'm at, I guess I need more kyoko
@maria: yeah, I'd say I could townread you if you were a townie but that just proves I am tunneling you from your very first posts so its a waste of saliva for everyone involved
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Von Payne (Black/Doctor Drew hydra)
Kyoko Kirigiri
Prism
Aureal
Catgirl Chipotle (Alisae/MariaR hydra)
Silver Ravens (GuyInFreezer/Dunnstral hydra)
Sunflower (fireisredsir/JupiterXV hydra)
Ydrasse
and that's the game and thanks for playing-
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I think wolves' path to victory relies on trying to get me miseliminated. It is ultimately a flawed gameplan. It will never happen.-
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It's such a weird post but that's nto something I've seen wolves ever do.In post 1913, ActionDan wrote: Gun to head I get shot from indecisiveness as I don't know. Why am I and SR cross outs? But then who is he appealing to as scum really?
Why would he respond to his scumread with that as a wolf? There's a slight feeling of "wanting to get found" as a villager there I think?
idunno I feel like the simple explanation is that 1 Gimli post is a town post.-
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Enchant is townie, I agree-
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I have to be like thisIn post 1919, Von Payne wrote: What is giving me a bit of pause is that I know Ali likes to bully as scum
And they are clearly being a bully right now lol
But, they also are making so much sense.......I want to here from Kyo before I drop a vote
Dan is lowkey being scummy here as well, they aren't as fence sitty as town imo
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Would you rather deal with Maria?-
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After Kyoko we should just be able to take our sweet time with it.In post 1922, Von Payne wrote:
I don't think your solve is fully correctIn post 1920, Catgirl Chipotle wrote:
I have to be like thisIn post 1919, Von Payne wrote: What is giving me a bit of pause is that I know Ali likes to bully as scum
And they are clearly being a bully right now lol
But, they also are making so much sense.......I want to here from Kyo before I drop a vote
Dan is lowkey being scummy here as well, they aren't as fence sitty as town imo
Sunflower is town
But my finger is definitely on the trigger and pressed against Kyo's head though
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What a conspiracy theory!In post 1926, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: It makes more sense if its all bs and they are just both scum not wanting to enable night chat for any town.-
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You go firstIn post 1924, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: Assume I am flipped and its green. What you learn about the game?-
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is it baseless because I won't discuss logic and reasonings with you?In post 1929, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: Also ali, you said i dont loose as wolf. True i have above 90% winrate as scum. But i also have over 70% winrate as town.
I am confident i am not getting mislimed here but feel free to showcase your ultimate motives with this baseless push on me by trying to scare everyone of me.
I am also not the one who won best scum player award multiple times. That was u if im not mistaking.
Whats even the point of dropping sentences to scare people of my general game play and calling yourself a better player if not just to push a baseless reason less scum motivated brute force of a mislim. You wont get it
Do you think this is a game about winning logical arguments?
Would it be better for you if I pushed you with a front of a "logical" argument? To then have dialogue that goes on for pages that don't matter or change anything?
You won't get mislimmed?
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Go talk to Maria maybe she'll answer you. She wouldn't answer me. /shrugIn post 1933, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: Your turn-
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and if von is town (they are town)In post 1932, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
Even if your by any chance town and this i dont give a fick attidue sheep me cause im a god push you doing is lefit your new game play, von is likely scum. His mention of aureal as possible night 2 neighborize is not only setting up a seat for scum with that role, but is also was very extra and out of place on its own. his neighborize choice last night was inconsistant with his portrayed read.In post 1931, Catgirl Chipotle wrote:
You go firstIn post 1924, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: Assume I am flipped and its green. What you learn about the game?
If von is scum and your not the other is in sunflower and raven i think. Sunflower more likely but i need a reread.
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anyway ig we'll find out.
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Tell me more Dan? Give me your wisdom. Help guide me as I am just a lost soul.In post 1950, ActionDan wrote: Von on the reread list after SR. Not the biggest fan of Drew recently, I'm sure it's mutual-
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Hm? Did I miss something? (It's Maria)-
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oh wait wtf is this lolIn post 1942, Von Payne wrote: We think we can potentially prevent Bad Dreams from performing Night actions by forcing them to stay awake. Prism and Catgirls both expressed that they didn't want to be recruited. I had a tinfoil that maybe one of them could be scum trying to make sure they can utilize their ability by not being recruited-
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This is a blatant contradiction in like 3 different ways hang on please explain.-
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No I've been ignoring a lot of this day for irl reasons and I've been trying to solve under a certain perspective so I've been in hella skim mode letting Alisae driveIn post 1958, ActionDan wrote: Did you notice Drew taking a few potshots at me recently? XD-
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No one gets to take potshots at my darling Dan though. This means war. (If Von really is wolfreading Dan I'd like to know why cause they're my personal top TR)-
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I need Von to explain because do youthinkyou have some of hidden action? If so, why?
Or are you just saying youdohave that power?
How long have you been thinking this? Since game start? N1? etc.
Because if either of these were the case why would you do it on two slots you've openly said you TR? Why would you block there? I'm confused.-
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Allow me to give BOTD for a moment here and assume this is a real. Where did you get this theory? Nothing in the game indicated it so I'm curious.In post 1987, Von Payne wrote:
We thought this was a complex game and that it was possible we weren't told everything about our roleIn post 1966, Silver Ravens wrote: Von Payne, what makes you think your role would prevent the bad dreamers from acting at night? Surely your role tells you what it does, is there some confusion?
Can you tell me how long you had this thought? Early on? D1? D2? etc.-
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Sorry you answered that already I'm trying to wrap my head around this all-
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Like, even if I choose to believe everything stated the actions don't match what's being said and that's the most confusing part for me.-
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I should rly just leave this to Alisae and go back to my Maria solve.-
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There was nothing stated about the game being bastard I recall and having hidden powers is pretty up there on the bastard part.
It's not really the theory in itself I take issue with though, sure I can believe it. What I'm having trouble is even if everything you're saying is true your actions don't make sense to me considering you targetted two people you were townreading (or at the very least not scumreading) and the reasoning I saw was us saying "don't target me."
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Hang on now I'm seeing two different theories one about protecting and one about role blocking what one are we basing this on now? zz-
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You're the one who said it.In post 2002, Von Payne wrote:
Where did you get that reasoning from?In post 1999, Catgirl Chipotle wrote: There was nothing stated about the game being bastard I recall and having hidden powers is pretty up there on the bastard part.
It's not really the theory in itself I take issue with though, sure I can believe it. What I'm having trouble is even if everything you're saying is true your actions don't make sense to me considering you targetted two people you were townreading (or at the very least not scumreading) and the reasoning I saw was us saying "don't target me."
That's just odd in and of itself.
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Alright yeah I think I'm just gonna lay out all these contradictions to Alisae and see what they say-
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You're basically saying you thought you were a hidden jailkeeper and are confused on why I find your target choice strange.-
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How dare you not have a clear answer 24/7. Wolfy tbhIn post 2008, Ydrasse wrote: i don’t rlly feel that kyoko is a wolf but i don’t feel strongly enough about it to get into the weeds of defense
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I can't tell if Von truly not understanding how out of touch their choices are here is towny or wolfy. Like if this is a wolf fakeclaim it's extremely sloppy. That then begs the question of why? You have multiple nights to justify or come up with a better fake claim and this is the end result? Drew is a good player and while I don't know enough about Black I'm going to assume she's fine enough that I wouldn't see this coming. Them saying "omg are you reading" isn't helpful either (when the irony is on them)
The counter point to this is there has to be so many leaps of logic you need to take for all of this to be well, true.-
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