726 - Mind Screw Gaiden, Game Over

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/confirm

Vote Natirasha

Mod wagon ftw.

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UnFoS, FoS: fluffy bunnies

(so should this)

Not enough people realize the joy of FOS talking.

Fos: Floofy bunnies are better

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I could do origin claim.

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I see. So Tar, your information is similar to mine? I suspect you may be who I am lookin for. I will origin claim if you do, but I would request that you go first.

@Kinetic: I don't like that idea too much. I would prefer a straight origin massclaim. I will, of course, stop it once I have the information that I need.

I propose Tar to start, because I think we may not need any more than his claim.

Also, I will be V/LA for a bit. Ill still be around, but not all that much.

Wait, so you want to out other's origins when you just want one?

Fos Kairyuu

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I also got that someone from Half Life is anti-town.

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So lynch Nat?

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unvote, vote hpleaves

For reasons stated above.

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Hey yuu, quit being AWOL

What do you think of my line of inquiry with tajo?

Was this directed at me?

[MafiaSSK]

Hey yuu, quit being AWOL

What do you think of my line of inquiry with tajo?

Was this directed at me?

No, but you can answer if you like ^.^

Sorry. Thought yuu was a funny way of spelling you.

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Veerus doesn't really seem like scum to me.

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MSSK: For what reasons?

Its not that I see Veerus as town. Its just the fact that I can't really see Veerus as being scum. I'm getting no real read on him.

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I'm also unsatisfied with MSSK's reasoning. Specifically, his take on hp, the scuffle between Kairyuu and I, and the argument between populartajo and Vi. MSSK: pick two of those and tell me what you think, with at least four sentences for each.

Live with it. I comment on what I see as interesting in as many sentences as I like.

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Does that meann you don't find those discussions interesting?

Basically.

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MSSK

: what does strike you as interesting so far, if not the things I cited? Is there any way I can get more than a few sentences?

You can see it by simply looking at my posts.

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@MafiaSSK: Can you at least

try

to play to something other than your anti-town meta? Like, I dunno, playing to your win condition?

I shall attempt it.

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@SSK: Why shouldn't I vote you?

Why should you vote me?

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I'm waiting to see what Tar says with his info of killing the mod before I make a judgement on lynching Nat or not.

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Mycosynth:Natirasha

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Sorry, wrong answer, Nat - I seem to recall explicitly explaining why a player-Mod must by necessity be self-aligned. You're not town, and we're getting rid of you at some point.

There is ONE way a player mod can be aligned with a faction. And that'd be using Patrick and Elmo's boost mafia method. One knows the roles and handles night actions, and is therefore NOT the player, and the other handles vote counts and rulings during the day. That could be a townie (or scum) mod. But it's a moot point, I just wanted to point it out. (Unless I overlooked something?)

Or we're looking too closely. What if Tarh is the player and yet a mod-helper/aligned role?

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Gentlemen, even if there is a mycosynth pit in the game, given what my ability is supposed to do to metal players it might be a better idea to throw Nat in the pit tomorrow (allowing me to nail the super for targeting metal), considering how useful the bonus for targeting metal is.

We can't risk you being scum and getting some double kill.

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Gentlemen, even if there is a mycosynth pit in the game, given what my ability is supposed to do to metal players it might be a better idea to throw Nat in the pit tomorrow (allowing me to nail the super for targeting metal), considering how useful the bonus for targeting metal is.

We can't risk you being scum and getting some double kill.

So, you want to lynch Natirasha because... I *could* be scum with some sort of metal for hitting town? You're not even saying that I *am* necessarily scum, just that we should lynch/mycosynth Nat because I *could be? That's not making any sense to me. First off, if you think I'm scum, WHY THE HELL AREN'T YOU VOTING FOR ME?

I'm not sure you're scum is the point. And if we mysosynth Nati then we'll figure out if the information you told us was the truth and semi-confirm your role.

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MSSK: you have yet to answer my question from earlier.

MSSK: are you sure you don't consider any of the debates going on right now relevant to the game? What's your take?

I will still say they're not interesting until someone else makes a big deal of them or I somehow magically find them interesting.

But the debates right now are actually very interesting and as you can see I'm participating in one now.

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Huh, I forgot that even if the mycosynth pit existed, we can't lynch and pit Nati in the same day. Being Jesus Christ, supposedly, I don't believe he'd be metal, so I'm willing to outright lynch him.

Fine then.

Unvote, vote: Natirasha

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FoS: MSSK

. Tar has admitted that his information on lynching Nat could be a ruse on Nat's part, and that's certainly a possibility. This is a mind screw game, Nat playing tricks with the role PM would not indicate Tar is scum.

Forgot this was Mind Screw. Sorry.

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Argh....

I'm going to take a couple days away from mafiascum to scream at a wall, I'm pretty sure it will be more useful.

Tar knows why.

No I can't explain. Just please excuse me for a few days. Thank you.

Is there something missing that you can't figure out?

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Kinetic wrote:
Argh....

I'm going to take a couple days away from mafiascum to scream at a wall, I'm pretty sure it will be more useful.

Tar knows why.

No I can't explain. Just please excuse me for a few days. Thank you.

Is there something missing that you can't figure out?

It has nothing to do with this game. The way I know his style, I'd be pretty ticked after what happened

After what happened?

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MSSK: how many other games are you playing in right now? For what you proposed to make sense, you'd have to have "selectively" read all of Tar's posts, in addition to forgetting Nat is a bastard mod (and the name of this game).

Only 1 other, it being another Nati game. Yes, I was ignoring the other posts besides Tar's for my idea and was assuming Nati was not a bastard mod.

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@SSK:

What do you think of Tarhalindur?
.

I believe he is town though maybe mod-aligned.

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Before I go: MSSK, I don't believe you. You selectively misread Tar's posts, if you thought your plan made sense from a town perspective. I'd like to know your thought process, there.

Not really sure...

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MSSK: that's not much to go on. Were you power-skimming Tar's posts?

I suppose I was...

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How am I lurking exactly Kinetic?

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How am I lurking exactly Kinetic?

Do you deny that you are lurking?

Indeed I do.

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Can I step in with what I think a role based off Nat from Real Life would be? It would be a Serial Killer, almost certainly.

Have you looked at my wiki?

Rules Infraction!

I dunno, Natirasha seems like the leader of the Cult of Natirasha~

How come?

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Can I step in with what I think a role based off Nat from Real Life would be? It would be a Serial Killer, almost certainly.

Have you looked at my wiki?

Rules Infraction!

I dunno, Natirasha seems like the leader of the Cult of Natirasha~

How come?

Two words: Ego Trip.
(On that note, Turkmenbashi Mafia may be kind of funny with a modified Intentionally Vague setup.)

Do you still like your vote on Natirasha, SSK? Or is there someone who signed up to play that's piqued your interest?

Yeah. I still think Natirasha should be lynched.

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Bah, fine.

I am a Beloved Princess and Supersaint.

Still want to lynch me?

Who's the guard then? And yes I do.

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MafiaSSK:

I asked him to try to contribute more, but he has not listened. I therefore have no information at all on him outside of small tidbits that remind me strongly of Empking's playstyle.

Sorry. Real life and replacing into another game has prevented me from doing huge analysis posts in this game.

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The Guard should claim if they want to keep their Princess alive.

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Yay, go Kinetic.

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I agree with the above and am going to

Fos:Forbiddanlight

so scum cannot quickhammer.

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Well. In the interest of "fun" I will surprisingly not modkill forbiddan. And, like I said in the quicktopic, wait for the reveal. I suppose this is a reap what you sow circumstance for me...

Is this supposed to be in a votecount?

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This is mind-screw which sometimes implies bastard mod which often implies that some crazy and unfair shit will go down. Live with it or don't sign up for games with a high chance of bastard modding.

Yeah, except there is a difference between bastard moddery and just plain bullshit. I'd like it if you'd read what Tar had to say about it. Now, if the game's set up shows that I was wrong, well, I'll apologize. But until then, I don't regret my actions.

FURTHER, you have been in at least one game I know of with me and didn't complain. Do you just choose to selectively recall games? I don't like it when someone can't realize a game is just a game, and after the game we all kiss and make up. I didn't "ruin" that game any more than I "ruined" this one. Yes, I got a little emotional. It happens to everyone. Live with it.

Vote:FL

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Didn't realize that was a hammer. Oh well.

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Isaac, check the time between the posts. I had forgotten FL was near a lynch because there had been no votecount on that page and FL was acting scummy as fuck so I voted her not knowing it was the hammer.

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Also, "FL was acting scummy as fuck" ? NO DUH, SHE HAD ALREADY CLAIMED SHE WAS SCUM. Which YOU HAD SEEN ALREADY.

Actually I hadn't read

That part

. I skipped the past inconveinetely.

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Also, "FL was acting scummy as fuck" ? NO DUH, SHE HAD ALREADY CLAIMED SHE WAS SCUM. Which YOU HAD SEEN ALREADY.

Actually I hadn't read

That part

. I skipped the past inconveinetely.

Again, this is such backpedaling. I still say you're lying.

Feel free even though I'm telling the truth.

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FoS: MSSK and Malthusis

. I will vote Mal if he doesn't start posting content.

MSSK: How do you feel about forbiddanlight's actions? Also, when *exactly* did you become aware that forbiddanlight had claimed scum? And who's the least scummy right now?

That they were overreactive and irrational and scummy. I had learned that FL had claimed scum when I saw it mentioned later. The least scummy right now is populartajo.

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MSSK: can you be more specific when you say forbiddanlight was being really scummy before you realized she had claimed scum? If it wasn't her admission that she was scum, what was it?

Her emotionalness to attacks.

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EBWODP: Just noticed something. Isacc, how do you know there's only one scum left?

Speaking of Natirasha, that mysterious resurrection also bugs me. I had doubts about Natirasha's claimed explanation even before I noticed this (uh, his role is frakking Jesus... rising from the dead after

3

1 days, anyone?) and there is precedent for Mind Screw games having roles that change alignments after reviving (hi, MafiaSSK)... I trust his new incarnation far less than his old one.

Do you think a 1 day delay Judas is actually possible?

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EBWODP: Just noticed something. Isacc, how do you know there's only one scum left?

Speaking of Natirasha, that mysterious resurrection also bugs me. I had doubts about Natirasha's claimed explanation even before I noticed this (uh, his role is frakking Jesus... rising from the dead after

3

1 days, anyone?) and there is precedent for Mind Screw games having roles that change alignments after reviving (hi, MafiaSSK)... I trust his new incarnation far less than his old one.

Do you think a 1 day delay Judas is actually possible?

Uh, 1-day delay Judas sounds positively simple given some of the roles Nat knows about... hell, I've used both parts of that ability before (delayed ability resolution and Judas both have precedent in completed Mind Screw games).

The bigger problem here is, why is Kinetic not appearing in the list of players in any way, and why is Natirasha appearing where he is?

Could the Judas ability have also killed one of the mafia members when Natirasha got revived as possibly one of the mafia members?

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Bump

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I think its armlx.

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Lamest MS Game EVER.

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I prefer Nat lynch with Tar hammer.

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Vote Nat

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Fine. I'll try the G-man approach.

Unvote, vote G-man

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No, that's a ridiculous notion.

Is it anti-town? If not, I don't see why there's any reason to oppose it.

What happens when you reach a lynch count on a player who doesn't exist? It's quite possible that it may be counted as a no-(valid)-lynch and mafia will get a free kill at night. How's that not anti-town? Are you willing to take that chance?

It's never been tried before in a Mind Screw game.

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Sticking with my vote.

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Keeping my vote. Nat/Tar lynch tomorrow. I'm curious to see what happens when we lynch Gman.

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Keeping my vote. Nat/Tar lynch tomorrow. I'm curious to see what happens when we lynch Gman.

So you want to no-lynch? Because that's what would happen in any of the original Mind Screw games if you tried to lynch a role name...

And this is what I wanted to see. Thank you for saying what would
happen. Now then back to Nat/Tar lynch.

Unvote, vote Nat

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Hi...why am I alive in this travesty again?

What does Travesty mean? Also are we up for Tar/MM lynch?

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What does Travesty mean? Also are we up for Tar/MM lynch?

A horrible, horrible thing that offends gods.

And why are we up for that?

Tarh was scummy and we are assuming that MM has the supersaint ability again.

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Vote Nati

FL:Reveals partner

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Forgive me, but what is "Wack-a-moling"? xD

Lynch a person but its actually an inspect shown to everyone and the day continues.

I also agree with the rest of your post.

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Right. I do think it only works with one person.

Unvote, vote Tar

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Ok, well, I essentially have a majority to claim.

M-M, please replace me

This town took part in deplorable behavior. You seriously want me to screw someone who has no right being screwed because the mechanics of this game are broken? You all are horrible people. Please, be ashamed of yourself.

I don't care what my replacement does, but I'm sick of this game, and was happy when I was lynched the first time. I didn't WANT to be brought back into the game, and I'm irritated that I was.

Oh, and since you all seem to want it so much,

Vote Tar

THE MOD NEEDS TO SUFFER.

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In other news... I'm torn. As a player, I want forbiddanlight to claim scum partner on the off chance she's telling the truth. As a moderator, I don't, since then, in order to be even remotely consistent about my scumbuddy claim policy, I would have to permaban forbiddanlight from my games. (Also, scumbuddy claims have ALWAYS been modkillable in my games, so it's a safe bet they are modkillable here as well. Not that I would necessarily be adverse to a forbiddanlight modkill.)

But if a role is designed to turn from mafia to town, then it's the fault in the design, not the player... Right?

Yeah.

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Okay then. That's good. We should be able to trust Tar's theories then.

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Who hammers?

Vote mm

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what the..... is prinny vassal town, mafia or some new faction? Sounds culty to me. Which means that Vi is likely of the same alignment. Do we want to lynch her or go after mafiassk?

Prinny Vasal probably isn't town but could be a new mafia or a new faction

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Quickie because I have to do a huuuuge homework assignment that was supposed to be done over the weekend but I r forgetted =P

I concur with the theory of tajo being the cult-leader. URoE has, as Tar pointed out, been seemingly too inactive to recruit, and he's also seemed at least more pro-town than Tajo.

Also, I think a cult is more dangerous than a scum at this point. There is presumably just 1 scum left, however there will be at least 1 cult member alive at the end of the day, 2 or 3 by tomorrow depending on who we lynch. If we leave the recruiter alive, we are quickly nearing being outnumbered.

You beat me to this.

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Anyway, I agree with your plan. We lynch mssk while you block tajo. I disagree that cult is more dangerous. If tajo uses an ability to revive players, Tar's block would prevent that. While mssk won't be able to kill anyone period.

vote: MafiaSSK

You really expect a roleblock of a cult-recruiting in Mind Screw Mafia to work?

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Anyway, I agree with your plan. We lynch mssk while you block tajo. I disagree that cult is more dangerous. If tajo uses an ability to revive players, Tar's block would prevent that. While mssk won't be able to kill anyone period.

vote: MafiaSSK

You really expect a roleblock of a cult-recruiting in Mind Screw Mafia to work?

Hell yes I would. Just like I'd expect a roleblocking of a resurrect to work (double-life players excepted). In my ability order, those abilities have Special priority (the worst ability priority you can have).

Also, we already knew you weren't town, but thanks for pretty much claiming it. Seriously, fearmongering?

Natirasha should have changed *something* though.

Maybe I am maybe I'm not.

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Anyway, I agree with your plan. We lynch mssk while you block tajo. I disagree that cult is more dangerous. If tajo uses an ability to revive players, Tar's block would prevent that. While mssk won't be able to kill anyone period.

vote: MafiaSSK

You really expect a roleblock of a cult-recruiting in Mind Screw Mafia to work?

Hell yes I would. Just like I'd expect a roleblocking of a resurrect to work (double-life players excepted). In my ability order, those abilities have Special priority (the worst ability priority you can have).

Also, we already knew you weren't town, but thanks for pretty much claiming it. Seriously, fearmongering?

Natirasha should have changed *something* though.

Maybe I am maybe I'm not.

Actually, UROE can wait.

MafiaSSK, claim or die.

What's the need? I barely have any votes on me. You're the only one casting suspicion.

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Flonne(from Disgaea: Hour of Darkness) a normal Townie (besides the G-man info).

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Posting to say "Are we there yet?" because this game is slow and I don't have time to say anything insightful elsewhere.

QFT

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Meh, I say hammer at will. Disgaea origin claim is just bad.

How come?

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Bah. See Time Abuse Mafia for lolz.

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Bah. See Time Abuse Mafia for lolz.

Hmm... was that a confession of Cult Leader-ness?

No. Just ironic how the Cult Leader recruited the same people as the people in Time Abuse to frame me. As I said I'm a townie.

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I should have not culted anyone that last day. Meh.

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I shouldn't have quit. Fine. But this game was still bullshit. And I SURE as hell didn't want to come back, and you all pissed me off for actually expecting me to claim my buddies REGARDLESS of my alignment.

I didn't expect you to claim your buddies I was pointing out the glitch in the game.