Mini 778 - Inventor Mafia (OVER)

[semioldguy]

Vote: Zwets

He seems like the a good candidate to say to "Hey, go test out that strange device over there."

[semioldguy]

What do we think the device in the middle of the room is going to do to the person who unveils it and tests it out?

[semioldguy]

Are all of your posts going to be in bold blue also?

[semioldguy]

Out of curiosity, what are your opinions of everyone box color claiming? Nothing else, just the color of box you received.

[semioldguy]

That's a good point and bad oversight by me.

[semioldguy]

That's understandable. I made another game rule/flavor oversight earlier in this game as well. I need to focus and improve my play in here.

[semioldguy]

Out of curiosity, what are your opinions of everyone box color claiming? Nothing else, just the color of box you received.

Absolutly not! The scum know exactly what each box does. Claiming would tell them EXACTLY who to kill. No way in hell are we claiming.

Actually, reading the rules again, the cheaters/scum only have instructions to all their boxes. That doesn't mean they know what they do. Scum still wouldn't know who has which items based on box color until they construct the invention in that box color themselves.

[semioldguy]

I'm pretty sure they can find out

What makes you "pretty sure" they can find out instead of just not knowing whether or not they could?

[semioldguy]

Why did you wait for Zwet to vote for me before you did?

[semioldguy]

I actually felt that he was innocent based off of his reaction initially, but his recent two posts don't seem like the logical pro-town view to me. If he is town I am curious as to why he thinks the mafia have some way to know what the items are before building them, because if he has the same information as me I don't know where he is drawing that assumption from. Also as town, if he has a strong feeling of someone's suspicion, I don't see why he would need to wait for someone else to agree with him first before committing his own vote.

[semioldguy]

In reference to post 129:

(1) It states that those items may or MAY NOT be included in this game.

(2) That's only 11 items to 12 boxes, meaning some different boxes probably build the same item, and more if we don't actually have all those items in this game.

(3) Everyone has a different set of 7 boxes. Even if you kill the person who started with one color box there will likely be several others who had that same colored box in their group of seven.

(4) Having the instructions to a box still doesn't mean you know what the box makes.

I don't understand how ANYONE can know at this point that any item belongs to a specific box color.

[semioldguy]

I'm guessing the instructions let me make what's inside the box of the color it is attached to. My instructions don't tell me what item that is.

[semioldguy]

No, I am not trying to get a box claim anymore.

@Ace: Can you infer what your own box does by its instructions? (A simple yes/no will do)

[semioldguy]

During the night phase, all of the inventors will go to their individual workrooms and be tasked with creating one of the devices that was provided to them in their patented box-o-stuff. Each box contains 7 smaller boxes with assorted things in them. Odds are that there are devices in them, as you have to try and figure out how to build the device. Unfortunately,

you are only given instructions on how to build one of the devices

(the one that matches your box color). The scum cheated and have instructions to all of their devices, however.

My instructions don't say anything about what my item does. It is merely mentioned that I have them.

[semioldguy]

Everybody should have gotten instructions attached to one of their boxes. If you are claiming not to, then I don't think you can be town.

Unvote; Vote: AceMarksman

[semioldguy]

I didn't get any instructions with my box, I'm just guessing here.

All my pm says is that I got a [blank] colored box with instructions taped to it.

Can't be both.

[semioldguy]

(4) Having the instructions to a box still doesn't mean you know what the box makes.

4)You can infer what the box does from it's instructions

Actually I can't, are you suggesting that you can?

[semioldguy]

Substantial post coming in about 10 hours.

Where is your substantial post? You were around at the time you said you would be making it, making other posts in this game, yet you didn't make this substantial post or even bother mentioning it.

[semioldguy]

Good catch? I was just hoping to see his post by pointing out he still needed to do it.

[semioldguy]

If anyone needs to explain, it's ZEEnon. What exactly did you think was my good catch and why was that enough reason for you to vote AceMarksman? Darox's reason for voting ZEEnon looks fairly obvious to me as well, and I haven't played with Darox before.

Mod: Can we get prods on Kabenon007 and Tarhalindur?

[semioldguy]

Welcome Mastin!

[semioldguy]

I don't like that ZEEnon has voluntarily requested to be replaced out, even more so because I haven't seen that same request elsewhere. It a lousy thing to do to the town, especially when there are still outstanding issues and questions that he should address that will never be answered.

[semioldguy]

Why not post something useful instead of just "bump"?

[semioldguy]

How many of your watched threads were locked to put them above this one in between the 24 minutes of farside's and your post?

Vote Count:

AceMarksman (4) - Semioldguy, ZEEnon, Zazier, Tarhalindur
Darox (1) - AceMarksman
Empking (1) - LeakingGoofball
Farside22 (1) - Empking
LeakingGoofball (1) - Farside22
LunaLouise (0) -
Mastin (0) -
Semioldguy (0) -
Tarhalindur (0) -
Zazier (0) -
ZEEnon (2) - Mastin, Darox
Zwetschenwasser (0) -

AceMarksman is V/LA through the 14th.
Tarhalindur is on V/LA through the 15th.
LunaLouise is V/LA 15th-25th.

[semioldguy]

Were there in fact a bunch of games that she had closed in that 24 minute timespan?

[semioldguy]

<--Is behind, but noticed this:

"Darox
is having a scumday!
Mafia Scum"

Happy S. Day.

Even if you are behind, you still haven't really commented much on the first ten pages, which you claimed to have read when you replaced in. You did the posting amount-content-frequency analysis post, but you really haven't commented on anything that went on in the first ten pages. A lot of what you have posted so far has just been describing your own play style and pointing to other games. For those who haven't played with you before, they will figure out your play style as you go. You can point to it in previous games or defend it as it is brought up, establishing it preemptively seems unnecessary and your time/effort would be more appreciated on other matters. Instead of saying how you are going to be doing things, just do them.

[semioldguy]

I sort of agree with semioldguy. But I think he has underestimated the power of activity sheets. If we cross reference that with metas we can deduce who's scum quite early.

I didn't criticize the activity sheet; I am criticizing the fact he has not done much else as far as game content goes and would like to see that change.

[semioldguy]

Seriously, I don't get what's the matter. Any point against me that I can think of I can defend as me having done as town/not having done as scum.

But I just don't see how a read of me can be able to deduce my alignment, when I've been changing my playstyle all the time.

What good does it do you to defend your playstyle as having done the same thing as town in the past if you claim to constantly be changing the way you play the same roles all the time?

[semioldguy]

What good does it do you to defend your playstyle as having done the same thing as town in the past if you claim to constantly be changing the way you play the same roles all the time?

Read the whole thing:

While my playstyle is constantly changing (which is why discrepancies in behaviors are not a hint at alignment), some parts of it will remain the same, and those parts I can defend. For the things that I've done that are not something I did in the past, I can easily cite the reason for the change.

For example, if I posted novels one day, and one-liners the next. "Albert changed my opinion on the matter somewhat." (Alternatively, "The more I post, the more I get night-killed. >_> Simple Solution: talk less. Also alternatively, other games held my attention.)
(Which is true. 763, overnight change in playstyle, due to Albert B. Rampage. I still prefer long posts, but have come to accept that it is often best to hold back. I also got night-killed due to being "Way too competent a player to be kept alive". I still say it was for me posting too much. <_<)

This is bad because basically you are saying that others cannot legitimately attack you based on your previous playstyles, yet you can still legitimately defend your actions here by pointing to your previous playstyles. Do you see something wrong with that method of thinking?

[semioldguy]

@Mastin
In post 406 you say that ZEEnon replacing out is a null tell. But then in your very next post in 408 you say that you believe constantly replacing out is a scum tell.

[semioldguy]

Simply put, I know what my PM is. I just don't know what it is.

I could be the bg,
I could be the mason recruiter,
I could just be a plain 'ol vanilla, for all I know.

The fact is, I want to KNOW what I am. I'm okay with surprises (Mastin, Kiego Asano, Vanilla Town,

Latent Tracker

-->O_O), but the fact is, I prefer to know.

You are either scum or you are town. You can't be one of any specific thing like Bodyguard or Mason Recruiter. How is one night phase going to answer for you what you are?

[semioldguy]

How is one night phase going to answer for you what you are?

Using the ability, of course.

Except for the fact that after you do, since it's a one-shot item, you're back to not knowing what you do any longer as you still have more boxes without known contents until the next night when you try opening one and seeing if you can make whats inside without the instructions.

[semioldguy]

Unvote; Vote: Mastin

Offering a bet to people doesn't make you look town, it makes you look desperate. I don't buy meta as a self-defense from you or from anyone else. Good town play defends itself so that your past games shouldn't have to. These reasons, in addition to the numerous contradictions you've been spouting, make you look scummy.

[semioldguy]

I don't think you have successfully defended the majority of your contradictions that have been pointed out. Just because you think you have does not make it so.

Why do several of your defenses consist of "Nuh uh" and "No you"?

They do not--I'm giving proof.

This in itself is a contradiction. You take the accusation that several of your defenses consist of "nuh-uh" and "no you" and you defend it with a "nuh-uh."

[semioldguy]

@Mastin
If you think extending the bet makes you look desperate, then why were you so desperate to be extending that bet when you only had two votes on you? Is L-5 something to be worried about?

Just because you give an explanation as to why you are doing something, it doesn't mean that it is not a contradiction. It's still a contradiction and explanations don't always make everything all better.

You can point back to your meta and say that you did something as town, but how do we know that you don't do it as scum? If you do all sorts of different things as town it would be easy to find one of them where behavior overlaps. Also using meta as a defense is bad because it means you are aware that you are doing something that you did as town meaning you'd be aware of that fact if you were scum.

If you've done the exact same thing many times as town, whats to stop you from doing it as scum as well? You claim that different games have different circumstances, so how can you use these different circumstances as defenses for each other and only as defenses for each other? You make it into a one-way street that only you have access to and that is the majority of your defense. If metagaming you doesn't work in finding you scum, explain how it would work for finding you town.

You are claiming that you aren't strawmanning, even when it is pointed out to you that you are. You aren't giving an explanation as to why it isn't strawmanning, you're just saying that it isn't, which is ignoring the original argument further.

How is a refusal to bet scummy? Townies don't KNOW the alignment of anyone other than themselves, so for them this bet can never be a sure thing. It doesn't say as much about their alignment as it says what kind of gambler they are.

If replacing out is a scum tell to you, well... you replaced in for someone else. You can use that as a scum tell on yourself.

If you know that you aren't scum and are going to treat yourself as vanilla otherwise, then why do you care so much what is in your box? That doesn't sound like you're treating yourself as vanilla.

Please provide some examples where you think previous games would be the only defense, when previous games aren't mentioned in the accusation.

Your defenses aren't worth refuting, because the defense you make is either not relevant to absolving yourself from the accusation made toward you, or is simply a "nuh-uh" or "no you" response without any explanation as to why the case against you is wrong. You only saying that you've explained or refuted something is not an explanation or refute on its own.

[semioldguy]

I hate it when players say they are going to do something and don't follow through. Yes, I know real life can get in the way. But don't come in and say you are going to do things; come in and just do them. With people V/LA it's frustrating to also have people who are here but aren't bothering to post or add content/contribute when they say they are going to be posting. It's not because you don't have time, it's because you are choosing not to make the time.

Anti-prod.

I should be able to make a full post later tonight.

That was two days ago.

anyways I am down to just 2 mafia games. As soon as I finish a few things here at work I will have my thoughts written down.

Have you got any of your thoughts down yet?

[semioldguy]

I know Mastin is around because he has been quite active in other games the past few days despite not being in this one for three days now. It makes me think he is avoiding this game which is not very protown and not really showing of any concern to help the town either.

In the past three days we have had less than 20 posts and have only seen 7 of the 12 players, with several of those not actually posting any content. Only one of the five missing players, LunaLouise, is V/LA. LeakingGoofball, Darox and Zazier have been absent while Mastin seems to have abandoned the town.

Darox - Hasn't been on site.
LeakingGoofball - Hasn't been on site.
Zazier - Been active in other games on site but not here.

[semioldguy]

I don't really understand what the purpose of the role claim is, or why breadcrumbing the color box that you have would be helpful in determining you as town. You have a brown box, so what, it doesn't matter what color any of our main boxes are because we all have a different color anyway. Until we have a way to link box color to scum or town, the box color doesn't make you any more or less likely to be the alignment you claim to be.

@Tarhalindur
Why did you want Mastin to claim and what do you think of his claim now that he has?

[semioldguy]

I don't know why or where he gets these possible percentages from. I also don't understand why he has a least favorite box color.

[semioldguy]

I would have pointed out the same thing lobstermania just had about having and knowing instructions, but wanted lobstermania to respond first. The two "slips" from AceMarksman and ZEEnon are very similar, but not precisely the same however.

[semioldguy]

Mod: Can we get another round of Prods?

Mastin and Zazier need to come back and post and LunaLouise should be back from her V/LA by now.

[semioldguy]

You are at L-3 actually.

[semioldguy]

Mastin what makes Orange your least favorite box color as opposed to one of the box colors you didn't receive?

[semioldguy]

And you've pushed him into claiming, why not control his night actions?

(1) I don't know what exactly we gain by him claiming.
(2) Trying to control his night actions is not good, especially since no one even knows what his night action would be and hence extremely unlikely we can even confirm it.
(3) This case could be made for any player pushed to a lynch, as everyone here is an inventor with a bunch of boxes that we have no idea about the contents of and we are only sure that we can even make what's in one of the boxes. Someone has to be lynched today, so making an argument not to lynch him that could be used as an argument to not lynch ANY player doesn't fly with me.

Also my case is built around his contradictions... I don't know how that escaped your read as I thought I made it pretty clear that I think he has been contradicting himself.

Vote Count:

AceMarksman (1) - Zazier
Darox (0) -
Duckduck96 (0) -
Empking (1) - LeakingGoofball
LeakingGoofball (0) -
Lobstermania (1) - Mastin
Mastin (6) - AceMarksman, Darox, Semioldguy, Empking, Duckduck96, Zwetschenwasser
Melikefood (0) -
Semioldguy (0) -
Tarhalindur (0) -
Zazier (0) -
Zwetschenwasser (1) - Lobstermania


LeakingGoofball replacement pending.

[semioldguy]

@Mastin
I have a lot to respond to your post and how your defense of yourself is absolutely horrible, but why did you feel the need to address differnt parts of sentences and paragraphs separately? Sentences are complete sentences for a reason; splitting them up and addressing different parts of the sentences can lead to misrepresentations that do not address what the sentence was actually explaing or accusing you of doing.

Vote Count:

AceMarksman (1) - Zazier
Beyond_Birthday (0) -
Darox (0) -
Duckduck96 (0) -
Empking (1) - Beyond_Birthday
Lobstermania (1) - Mastin
Mastin (6) - AceMarksman, Darox, Semioldguy, Empking, Duckduck96, Zwetschenwasser
Melikefood (0) -
Semioldguy (0) -
Tarhalindur (0) -
Zazier (0) -
Zwetschenwasser (1) - Lobstermania

[semioldguy]

I'd argue that neither Zwetschenwasser or Tarhalindur would be allowed to replace back in due to the nature of the game and the fact that both of them are likely to know information that is not public and would not be known to the role they replace into (revival is different, and may also be a reason why even Mastin may not be allowed to replace back in, in the event of the chance he is revived he would not be able to play two roles.

[semioldguy]

Why did you choose Beyond_Birthday?

[semioldguy]

Makes sense. I don't know what we gain from this info as on its own it isn't indicative of either of your alignments. If box color indicates what is inside the boxes we could have a night where multiple players could each potentially be watchers on different players. I don't think it would be wise for players to claim which six colored boxes they have remaining though as I think that would be more helpful to scum than it would be to town (i.e. if scum know what one box does they would know which town members could potentially possess that ability, which is information I'd rather not let them have).

Vote Count:

AceMarksman (0) -
Beyond_Birthday (0) -
Darox (1) - Empking
Duckduck96 (0) -
Empking (0) -
Lobstermania (0) -
Melikefood (0) -
Semioldguy (0) -
Zazier (0) -

[semioldguy]

As far as math is concerned, I see the 50% argument. There were only two night kills. If scum only get one night kill, then two of the scum opened boxes and were doing other things that weren't using a tazer last night.

Empking's rolefish makes sense if he was the vig, because he isn't rolefishing for town, he is rolefishing for scum, as any player who would have claimed to make the other night kill would be confirmed scum to Empking. I believe his claim so far and those getting on him for it look suspicious to me. He is claiming vig for last night, and hasn't been counter claimed. What reasons do you have to think that he was the mafia instead of the vigilante? You have also failed to ask as of yet the most obvious question:

Empking, why did you choose Zwetschenwasser for your night kill?

[semioldguy]

If someone hammers Empking before we can verify the possibility for a counter-claim, that person is scum if Empking flips town.

The only way Empking can be scum is if someone vig-killed Tarhalindur. The person who killed Tarhalindur should claim if this is the case. If the person who killed Tarhalindur does not come forward, then Empking is confirmed town as far as I am concerned. A pro-town vig-claim coming forward guarantees that we catch scum either today or tomorrow, and we don't lose anything special as all townies have the same number of boxes remaining that none of us know the contents of.

People who did not vigilante-kill Tarhalinur:
AceMarksman (claims to have been a tracker)
Empking (claims to have vig-killed Zwet)
melikefood (claims to have been a tracker)
Lobstermania (claims to have been a watcher or tracker? I have an issue with his claim I'll bring up in a moment)

I did not kill Tarhalindur, and I am claiming in my next post.

Beyond_Birthday, Darox, duckduck96 and ZazieR. In your next post please claim whether or not you killed Tarhalindur.

[semioldguy]

Last night I opened and made a Terminal. I chose AceMarksman to investigate and got a result of innocent. I chose him because he was my top suspect on the first day after Mastin.

AceMarksman can only be scum if I am scum.

[semioldguy]

@Lobstermania

I have a problem with your claim that I just noticed. You claimed to have made a Spybot. The result you shared was the result from a Sentry. You are either wrong about your result, or you are wrong about the invention you made. Please clarify your claim in your next post.

[semioldguy]

The only way Empking can be scum is if someone vig-killed Tarhalindur. The person who killed Tarhalindur should claim if this is the case. If the person who killed Tarhalindur does not come forward, then Empking is confirmed town as far as I am concerned. A pro-town vig-claim coming forward guarantees that we catch scum either today or tomorrow, and we don't lose anything special as all townies have the same number of boxes remaining that none of us know the contents of.

Again, wrong. Very, very wrong.

Are you suggesting that scum this game have multiple night kills? If not then explain to me how the other night killer coming forward makes it so we don't have a guaranteed scum between two people.

Last night I opened and made a Terminal. I chose AceMarksman to investigate and got a result of innocent. I chose him because he was my top suspect on the first day after Mastin.

AceMarksman can only be scum if I am scum.

Oh hell no. Definitely wrong.

Explain tome how AceMarksman can be scum if I am town claiming to have investigated him with a result of innocent.

Please explain to me why you think setting up several lynches based on inconclusive information is a good idea.

How am I setting up several lynches?

[semioldguy]

The town wins when all the cheaters are dead and there are three cheaters according to the opening posts. I don't think this is a bastard-mod setup, so I'd assume we don't have any third parties.

[semioldguy]

Thought it is true that a Zwet-kill on Tarhalindur is a possibility, I think it is very unlikely. Zwetschenwasser was suspicious of several people yesterday, but I don't recall Tarhalindur being one of them.

[semioldguy]

Mod: Can we get a prod on ZazieR?

She's made one post in the past four weeks in this game.

[semioldguy]

That's not necessarily true, as we don't really know what our roles are besides from what we've already done, as tomorrow night's action could be completely different for any or all of us. I think the role claims in this specific setup need to be treated differently than normal since we can treat ourselves as a one-shot role of whatever we did.

[semioldguy]

I'm happy with my vote, I think semiold trying to pseudoconfirm several people as well as set up future lynches is the scummiest thing I've seen so far.

I'll ask again, what future lynches do you think I am trying to set up? I am not trying to set up future lynches so I don't see where you can be getting this from.

[semioldguy]

@Lobster
If you are suspicious of AceMarksman, vote me instead. It is literally impossible for him to be scum unless I am too. The both of us are town so when he flips town it doesn't confirm me; but when I flip town, it does confirm him.

Empking is obv-town. There is literally no reason that a pro-town player would refuse to counterclaim. There is nothing to lose, that player is no more of a power role than any other player in this game, and them refusing to counterclaim is hiding valuable information from the town. The scum already know which kill was made by them and by process of elimination know that any kill they do not make was made by a town player in this setup. The town does not have this information, a pro-town vig coming forward gives almost no new information to the scum players, but gives lots of useful information to the town.

Vote: melikefood

[semioldguy]

@Lobster
If you are suspicious of AceMarksman, vote me instead. It is literally impossible for him to be scum unless I am too. The both of us are town so when he flips town it doesn't confirm me; but when I flip town, it does confirm him.

....Are you saying you would like to be held accountable for his actions?

I investigated him and he is innocent. Why would you vote for him but not me?

Vote Count:

AceMarksman (1) - Lobstermania
Beyond_Birthday (0) -
Darox (1) - Empking
Duckduck96 (0) -
Empking (3) - Melikefood, AceMarksman, Duckduck96
Lobstermania (1) - Beyond_Birthday
Melikefood (2) - Empking, Semioldguy
Semioldguy (1) - Darox
Zazier (0) -

[semioldguy]

Semi: Why are you so sure there isn't a GF?

I'm not sure that there isn't one. If there is though, there are other ways of catching him aside from investigations.

[semioldguy]

I lost internet service at home and had no way of getting on for a few days. Sorry to have been away from this game for that time, but I am available again. I've resolved my issues with my provider. Again, I am very sorry.

I have the day off work tomorrow and will be using my time to catch up in that games I am currently in.

[semioldguy]

I'm starting to think that Emp has gone crazy. It seems logical that the scum could have a godfather who sends in the kills, and Empscum made a taser from one of his boxes, allowing the scum two kills. Because he killed as a vig, it wasn't noted as scum when melikefood used his spybot on Emp during Night One.
Question: Do you believe melikefood's night action claim? I do. I think the scum targeted Tar, and Emp targeted Zwetschen.

Vote: Empking

So why are you voting Empking if you think scum targeted Tarhalindur?

This is wild speculation. It is much more likely that Empking is town and I see no actual case that he is scum based on his play.

Same goes for Darox and for duckduck96. What are your actual cases against Empking? Being useless does not mean he is scum. What is he doing that is a scum tell for him?

[semioldguy]

I am pretty certain that food's claim is accurate, as, throughout the previous day, I have noted multiple instances where Emp was attacking Zwet, including a vote. After Mastin was killed, it seems like, as scum, he would feel that killing Zwet would make a possible good vig claim later. So, the question is: Would he have decided to kill Zwet as scum for the reasons above, or as a vig who actually believed he was scum. I'm inclined to believe the former. To me, it seems like this is what we should ponder... the question "Did Empking kill Zwet?" is pointless in my opinion. I find that it's rather obvious that he did. The question to ponder is the one I posed previously.

There is no vigilante counter claim. There is no foreseeable downside to the vigilante counterclaiming if he is town. How do you find it more likely that scum will admit to their night kill and a 1-shot vigilante refuses to?

[semioldguy]

3. Why I should change my vote based off your posts in this thread.

You should not vote him based off of lack of evidence in the thread of anyone else being the vigilante.

[semioldguy]

What further questions do you have regarding my theory that you are both scum AND built a taser with your box and did a vig-kill?

Because that's wild speculation. And why are you defensive of Darox?

[semioldguy]

Mod: prod on ZazieR please

Unvote; Vote: lobstermania

FoS: Darox, duckduck96

Why are you voting for a claimed town vigilante when there is no counterclaim?

[semioldguy]

Empking voted for Darox, lobstermania immediately attacked Empking afterward.

[semioldguy]

Everyone voting for Empking is really not thinking about the game and not playing optimally for the town.

Mod: can deadline last at least until we find replacements so they have a chance to vote/unvote?

[semioldguy]

No scum in their right mind would kill Zwetschenwasser on the first night unless it was Albert B Rampage.

[semioldguy]

Finally people replace in who understand what I've been trying to get at!

[semioldguy]

That still puts us in mislynch and lose as there are still all three scum left.

What does everyone think about mass claiming night-actions at this point?

[semioldguy]

I suppose I agree. What disgruntles me is the possibility of a poisoner ability. Where the kill is naturally delayed by one night.

The possible abilities are all listed in the opening posts, and a delayed night kill does not seem like a possibility.

[semioldguy]

I'm for No Lynch personally.

The reason that I would be against this is that as town we don't know for sure that we can build what is in our box. Scum will be able to build what they make guaranteed. That puts us at 5 maybes (one of which will be night killed) against two for-sures plus a night kill.

After a mass claim I would be up for re-evaluating the possibility of a no lynch. As far as order for claiming I say we nominate someone to go first and then each person picks the next person to claim after his/her claim.

[semioldguy]

Usually you have a consensus scummy player as the first to claim. Though if I am that player then I would be fine with going first.

[semioldguy]

duckduck96's replacement would be my nomination, and if I am to claim before him I would choose him as the next to claim.

[semioldguy]

Yes, as long as there is still no deadline I am fine waiting for a replacement.

[semioldguy]

Double Ditto

[semioldguy]

Hello MonkeyMan, the town requests that you full claim your night actions.

Vote Count:

Amished (0) -
Beyond_Birthday (0) -
Empking (0) -
Gorrad (0) -
Melikefood (0) -
MonkeyMan576 (0) -
Semioldguy (0) -
Stephoscope (0) -

MonkeyMan576 is V/LA through 8/4.
Semioldguy is V/LA 8/2 - 8/8.

[semioldguy]

Mod:

(and everyone else) I will be V/LA from August 2nd until August 8th.

I will have my laptop with me, but may not be able to post while I am away.

[semioldguy]

Mod:

Prod on the MonkeyMan?

Done.

@MonkeyMan
Where are you in reading? Would you please claim your actions from both nights?

[semioldguy]

Prod received, quickly catching up.

[semioldguy]

@EMPking: I've built something both nights, so not I.

I think you should claim before the lynch today. If you are town, you are a prime target for scum tonight because you have two pieces of information that could be useful to the town and scum now know this. If you are scum, then we can catch you in a lie. No one else should claim today in my opinion, since we have caught scum, but I don't like leaving partial claims hanging.

Claiming for others can happen tomorrow.

... the question "Did Empking kill Zwet?" is pointless in my opinion. I find that it's rather obvious that he did.

Monkey's predecessor couldn't have killed Zwet based on this. Easy scum lynch.

As soon as Amished claims his actions, or the rest of the town disagrees with me, I am hammering.

Has anyone else failed to build something?

This should be answered tomorrow in my opinion, as we shouldn't tip off to scum who should be killed based on who has more or less information to share than others.

[semioldguy]

Ok, go for it.

[semioldguy]

Vote: MonkeyMan576

[semioldguy]

Well, you'll have the whole night period to find them.

[semioldguy]

I have no big problem with the claim order (I'd prefer Empking before Stephoscope only because I know Stephoscope is town for sure).

[semioldguy]

Mod:

Prod Gorrad please, he hasn't posted in game for over three weeks.

[semioldguy]

If we catch another scum today it will 100% confirm stephoscope (since there would be one scum left and the only way he can be scum is if I am scum)

[semioldguy]

Any word on the Gorrad situation?

[semioldguy]

Night one I made a terminal and investigated AceMarksman (now Stephoscope) and found him to be innocent.

Night two I opened a box but was not able to make anything out of it.

Night three I made teleporter and I hid behind Gorrad.

[semioldguy]

Vote: Gorrad

[semioldguy]

Claim order for today Mr. Tarhalindur?

[semioldguy]

My box last night also contained a deck of cards, but I played solitaire with them.

[semioldguy]

Beyond_Birthday is my current top suspect. In my mind, melikefood looks a lot better today.

Stephoscope information could be invaluable though, and I will wait for him to get back before placing my vote.

[semioldguy]

On night two MonkeyMan576 was tracked to Beyond_Birthday (as claimed by 100% town Stephoscope).

Beyond_Birthday claims to have put MonkeyMan576 in a Stasis Cell (Jailkeeping) that night, which would have made it impossible to track him to anywhere because his action failed.

Unless Beyond_Birthday was roleblocked that night, his claimed action is impossible as it contradicts the claimed action of a confirmed townie.

There is not necessarily a missing kill from night two if Melikefood made himself bulletproof that could explain any missing kill if he was the target.

This is more or less what Tarhalindur wrote just a few posts ago.

Speculation: Considering that MonkeyMan576 refused to share his night two action (instead saying that he could only make nothing) further incriminates Beyond_Birthday in my eyes since we know that MonkeyMan576 targeted him with something and was likely trying not to link himself to a scumbuddy.

Vote: Beyond_Birthday

[semioldguy]

@Beyond_Birthday
Which Box Color did you start the game with for your larger box and which Box Color of your smaller boxes did you open on Night One?

[semioldguy]

He could have technically used a Stasis Cell as well and had his action go through.

[semioldguy]

I opened another box of nothing last night.

Vote: melikefood

[semioldguy]

Someone took all the working pieces from my box and left me with a marble and some screws. I made a miniature bowling set out of them to keep myself busy.

[semioldguy]

Did Tarhalindur offer anything else in your quicktopic after he was able to see Beyond_Brithday's flip?

The motherboard on my computer was not working this morning; currently on someone else's computer. Mine's under warranty and they are sending out a replacement which hopefully should arrive tomorrow or Wednesday. It's likely I won't be on much or at all until it arrives and can be replaced.