Newbie 810 - Game over!

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Vote: KittyMo

For not having a kitten as an avatar!

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@Keyblade:

I don't follow any policies to the tee, but Lynch all Liars usually is my favorite go-to, simply because if someone lies about something, then they cannot be trusted to tell the truth later on.

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Ah, yeah. That was my first game on the site. Wouldn't put too much weight on it being my meta. >.>

I have a very combative playstyle as is evidenced by most of the games on my Wiki page. This game is my seventh-ish.

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Hey, let's not have epically long posts like that, please. Makes the game much more of a hassle than it needs to be. Linking to posts in reference is fine, and you could also just... not chime in on every single thing.

That being said, I'm a fan of the TFGM wagon.

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Just remove the stars. If you want to link directly to a post, you can click the little page icon in the top left corner of each post and get the url that way.

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@TFGM:

Without getting into complicated mathematical equations, there's a reason we choose to lynch on D1 instead of No Lynching. Think of it like this: if we gather information and make an informed lynch decision, we have a 2/9 chance of hitting scum. If we just NL, then that means the scum DEFINITELY kill a townie, and the next day it's 2/8 chances.

I'll direct you to this thread for further discussion on D1 strategy.

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Not trying to stifle discussion at all.. I just don't think it's always a player's place to respond to every last detail in the game unless specifically asked to do so. Also, I'd like Psycho to respond to exactly how geek was taking the quotes out of context.

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Didn't realize that I still had my vote on KittyMo, so

unvote

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And BlueRaven, I'm not even sure what you're talking about with the poll talking about newbie mistakes, and I'm not sure how that poll would be supportive of you voting for someone solely for the sake of bandwagoning.

Vote: BlueRaven

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^ Unless he

is

scum.

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You had... no reasoning of your own to vote for her? You only voted for KittyMo because other people did? She only had two votes on her, one of them was mine from the random voting stage.

Also, I find it odd that both KittyMo and TFGM had two votes on them, and yet Raven chose to vote Kitty. Explanation?

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But he was probably just going by the vote count on the top of the page. If he wasn't, then yeah, 3-1 isn't even close, that means the only other vote on KittyMo was my own random vote.

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So why did you choose Kitty over TFGM?

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>_________________>

Well, this seems to be going nowhere. I'll just place an

FoS: Raven

until I have a chance to go back and see if there's anyone else that has slipped up enough to warrant further investigation.

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Oh, right.

Unvote

for now. Though I highly expect that vote to end up back on there, I just don't want anyone to get trigger-happy and end D1 so quickly.

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FoS is finger of suspicion, it is used to show suspicion on someone when you don't feel like a vote is warranted/can't place a vote.

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The problem is, I don't think further asking BlueRaven to explain any posts is going to be fruitless. He seems like a newbie who got flustered by a quick bandwagon post. I'll admit it's very odd, but I also think this could be a quick way for scum to get a newbtown dead on D1.

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We're on page four!

Bah! IC golden rule #263: if you join a game, don't get flustered and replace out. Only replace out if you have legitimate real life issues that will interfere with the game.

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What?

Can you clarify what you mean? Are you saying that by defending yourself you're not scum or what? Because scum definitely defend themselves.

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Umm... yes, and so would town, because if town die, that puts scum one step closer to accomplishing their goal. Defend yourself always, and defend yourself to the teeth.

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^ What Keyblade said.

I'm thinking BlueRaven is our best lynch candidate for today, but I'd like to give him another chance to respond before we dive right into a lynch. Of course, if we lynch him and he turns up town, then whoop dee doo, we gain nothing from his role reveal because he's playing like scum so we can't target anyone for voting him.

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I'd really like to hear Raven's thoughts on who he thinks is most scummy and who he thinks is most townish.

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Zach, who do you find most scummy after these first few pages?

What is your read on Raven?

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Raven's "i read a poll" comment still strikes me as odd. You mind pointing out or linking us to that poll, Raven? I fail to see what the poll said, or how it excuses voting someone for no reason.

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This is a lot to process, but I guess I'd like to ask Kraut why he's still voting for Raven.

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Vote: Reverendpsycho

Pray tell about geek's contradictions, yeah?

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Me? Leaning scum?

Lawl.

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Post 6:

Votes KittyMo for not having a kitty avatar.

Post 9:

Follows Lynch All Liars.

Post 20:

Has a combative playstyle, dismisses game posted by KittyMo as “his first game, isn’t his meta.” Sure...

Post 41:

Asks for shorter posts. Stifling discussion?

Post 56:

Says he wasn’t stifling discussion, just doesn’t think one should respond to everything.

Post 67:

Votes BlueRaven for not understanding his point.

Post 91:

Says asking for further explanation is useless, as BlueRaven is a flustered newbie.

Post 116:

Says BlueRaven is best lynch candidate, but then wants more explaination. Contradiction w/ 91?

Post 165:

Votes reverendpsycho, asking for an explanation on geek’s contradictions.

Scum-O-Meter says: 6.5 out of 10

Hi. Reckoner here. Allow me to explain that if you think I'm actually stifling discussion by asking that people 1) don't wall-o-quote me into a coma and 2) don't feel the obligation to respond to EVERYTHING, then that's just a bit absurd. Most Mafia players would agree with me that it's not always a great strategy to comment on every last thing going on in the game.

And BlueRaven is the "best" lynch candidate based on his playstyle, but something in my gut tells me he's just a flustered newbie, which is why I didn't hop right on the Raven wagon from the start like everyone else.

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@ronnieroo: forgetful. (193)
@reverendpsycho (195): this reeks of OMGUS.

Btw I'm at work on my iPod hence the brevity.

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He votes for me herewith no real explanation, just asking for me to explain why I think geek contradicted himself.

Yes. That was my reasoning. Contradictions are my favorite scumtell.

Granted, if he didn't like my explanation, then voted for me, it would be less fishy. Also, it seems that other than your FoS on me, he has nothing to justify his vote for me.

I call 'em like I see 'em.

Then he later claims here that blueraven is the best candidate for lynch. If blueraven's the best lynch candidate, why the vote on me? That seems very odd.

L2R.

And BlueRaven is the "best" lynch candidate based on his playstyle, but something in my gut tells me he's just a flustered newbie, which is why I didn't hop right on the Raven wagon from the start like everyone else.

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I don't like how psycho disappeared after I called him out.

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^ Um, what?

Explain to me how my reaction to psycho is "quite telling".

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So because the only thing I questioned him on was his case on geek, I'm OBVIOUSLY geek's scum partner? ::eyeroll::

If you're so sure that geek is scum and I'm buddying him, then why are you voting me over geek?

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Also, it wasn't just that for me voting psycho. Try looking at his posts for yourself and making sense of them.

Like, calling Keyblade's random vote on psycho a OMGUS, when we were still in the random voting stage. Not to mention when Keyblade tries to correct psycho's mistake in saying he was the last person to confirm, he calls it suspicious! Well, maybe I think it's suspicious he's using his own mistakes to cast suspicion on someone else.

I also don't like how he admits here, after I question him, that he only saw one quote taken out of context, not two. It's backpedalling, and it seemed like he was trying to make the case on geek seem much more blown out of proportion than it actually was. Not only that, but when he votes geek, he basically does it because of a "contradiction" in geek's post.

This is the point where I voted him, because I not only found his long wall o' text post a bit suspicious (with the OMGUS talk), but I also saw no contradiction. Psycho explains here that the contradiction is that geek says he

doesn't follow others

but then says that he looks at everyone else's viewpoints. I see NO contradiction there, especially since psycho seemed to conveniently forget about the part where geek says "I look at the person's actions" (analyzes their actions), and the part where he says "I take the action I see fit" (makes his own decision). It's a stretch to call it a contradiction, at the very least.

Oh, and let's not forget how he tries to set up an OMGUS, calling my quick vote "suspicious". Without elaborating. And here it is, Tuesday night, two days after he last posted, and he has yet to come back in and say anything.

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Well, seeing as how all he's done is attack geek, there's not much else for me to go off of, now is there?

>.>

And I can't believe my stance on BlueRaven is still being fucking debated. I said he's done scummy things, has appeared the most scummy, but I attribute that to ultimate newbness than anything. I've seen too many people in games prior come in and act like that because they're not really sure how to play and get lynched right off the bat.

but OH NO NOW I'M DEFENDING BLUERAVEN SO WHO AM I REALLY SCUMPARTNERED WITH?

Defending someone =/= scummy, thank you very much. And in any case I wouldn't say I'm defending Geek so much as I am pressuring Psycho as to why he decided to vote Geek in the first place.

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I can't get a good read on Keyblade, he seems too trigger happy, but I'm not sure that's necessarily a scum tell or a null tell.

Geek, on the other hand, seems town to me. Maybe I'm missing something, but he's voting with logical foundation for each of his votes and has yet to say anything to catch my eye in any particular way.

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I'm not scummy, and you have no more basis for thinking so other than the fact that I don't like the attacks on Geek. And maybe if you were to point out to me why you DO think Geek is so scummy my opinion would be different, but I just did an iso read and found nothing inherently wrong.

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No, I do not.

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Zach, you're taking xRECKONERx's post out of context. Not only that, but his point is "I didn't jump on it right away." He's correct. He was vote #3 on a 4-person bandwagon. That's not right away.

This.

So now that your one point against me has no validity, are you going to remove your vote? Chances are, no, so I'm VERY eager to see why.

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You asked me a question, I gave you an answer.

Also, I didn't sit and ride the BlueRaven train either like some people, I voted him because it was scummy, then unvoted relatively soon after to stop a lynch after I had a change of heart.

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You asked me a question, I gave you an answer.

Also, I didn't sit and ride the BlueRaven train either like some people, I voted him because it was scummy, then unvoted relatively soon after to stop a lynch after I had a change of heart.

Are you presuming that Blueraven is town now?

Actually, I've been postulating that he's town for a week now.

I did say he was the best lynch candidate, meaning at the time, he was acting the most scummy, and if left alive, he'll undoubtedly be a scapegoat for the scum. I also fail to see what KittyMo thinks I'm "changing my mind" about.

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How are you having trouble making sense of that? He's newbtown who appears incredibly scummy. I've seen it before, it's not uncommon for newbies to do inexplicable things with no explanation. And if he's alive, then I feel scum will continue to push for his lynch tomorrow.

And yes, I definitely think there is scum on his wagon right now.

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Well I'd say one of either Kraut/Keyblade is scum, yes.

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Just one, because I still have a gut feeling about psycho.

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Also, I get the feeling you're just asking aimless questions without really scumhunting. Tunnel vision much?

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I don't have an opinion on Kraut yet, that's why I haven't responded.

Kraut hasn't done anything yet other than lurk to make me possibly suspect him, but everyone's lurking, so I don't see that as a tell. In either case, I don't need to be "forthcoming" about who I think is scum because at this point I don't think I have any top suspects. I've been doing nothing but having to defend myself from your constant attacks (which are all pretty much baseless, as I have defended myself properly from every point you've cast against me, and yet all you do is come up with new questions, never satisfied with the answers).

I think there is scum on the BlueRaven wagon because I'm getting newbtown vibes from Raven but can see he had a few

huge

fuck ups. It's the perfect opportunity for scum to push a lynch on D1. I don't have a strong read either way on anyone on the wagon (and excuse me for that, my mother had fucking heart surgery Monday and I haven't been able to formulate a whole goddamn case), but I assure you there is at least one scum on there.

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I saw Geek's post quoting your question to me as more of a prod to me to respond.
And maybe if you had legitimate points against me I could say "Okay, I see where I messed up" or "What the hell are you talking about?"

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Thanks -

Just as an update, the docs are keeping her in recovery for a week.

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I think it's time for a reread to spark some more interest.

And yes, mod, I believe we need a newbie replacement for Raven.

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^ This. On both accounts.

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As a note: I think Kraut's placement on the Raven wagon is a situation where he happened to vote him earlyish and then found a comfortable lynch candidate and sat on it. Not sure what to make of that.

And no, I don't really have a meta that I can point to, at least not off the top of my head. I do, however, want to lynch one of the three on the Raven wagon today, so

Unvote

while I decide who it'll be.

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What makes you think there's a rush to lynch?

/puttingwordsinmymouth

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Today is referencing this game day. As in Day 1 of the game.

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I have an experimental idea...

Everyone type out their top three scum candidates, but only post your #3. Do not post your top two.

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My #3 is TFGM.

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Yes, it's a technique commonly known as "bussing", when two members of the same scumteam attack each other to distance themselves.

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Pair of Mafia Goons = scumslip. Win.

Vote: ronnieroo

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Crap. Nobody is going to replace Raven!?

And hello, illini, welcome to MafiaScum. If you have any questions, you can direct them my way, as I'm this game's IC.

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Oh, shit. I'm in the wrong game. I was thinking someone else was posting in another game. ugh. My mind. Is fucked.

Heh. This belongs in the "You know you have been playing too much Mafia when..." thread


BTW, I just nominated you for the custom title of "Too Much Mafia..." for this little gem.

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Haha, alright, I'll take it.

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^ I think that case is weak at best, to be completely honest. I do think her saying "pair of mafia goons" was very telling given the fact that the setup is NOT open, but the rest of that case on her seems rather wishy-washy.

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But the rapid manner in which you change your votes would suggest that not even

you

fully believe your own logic.

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See, you shouldn't be painting yourself into a corner like that. That means you're saying no matter what logic is presented against someone else, you want to stick with the ronnie lynch.

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It has been a week since psycho posted anything of real content. I understand the family member in the hospital bit (Mom's still in the hospital here, too), but I'd like to get his opinion on what he thinks, since he said here he'd return to the game last Monday, then popped in here simply to Unvote and say he'd catch up later.

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Wha-wha-what?

Explain why you think Geek misquoted you, yet ronnieroo is still a better lynch. Seems too "I'm going to hold to what I said regardless" to me.

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I'm going to have to

Unvote

. I just gave zach's case on ronnie another reread, and if anything, all it does is sway me to believe she is

town

and that zach is just pushing his "cases" onto people to see which one sticks.

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1) What do you think of my case?
- Solid. Best case seen so far.
2) Do you think we should wait until 12Keyblade and ronnieroo get back until we lynch anyone?
- Yes.
3) Who do you think is the best lynch candidate for today?
- Zach or Geek. Geek's buddying is getting ridiculous.

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Because it seems like you try to "pal" up to each person. You did it to me earlier, I know that much, and it appears you're doing it again now with Kitty. I just don't see you going out on your own on a limb as much as you back others up instead.

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You know what? This is getting ridiculous.

Vote: Zachrulez

He appears the most scummy, and now he's at L-1. Claimtime.

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Zach, that's fucking stupid.
Claim at L-1. Yeah if you claim Townie we'll still lynch you, but you need to claim regardless. ESPECIALLY if you're a power role.

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On what grounds?

Oh, right, you have none.

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Swear to god, Zach, if you're a power role and you get lynched, I'm going to be fucking pissed.

Someone just hammer him, then. He's not gonna claim.

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Well, we had a very inactive town. I had a gut read on 12Keyblade, and just as I got NK'd, I had considered Kitty as a possibility. I know you're not supposed to use the Too Townie fallacy, but that's what it seemed like.

All in all, poor showing by the town. Keyblade and Kitty literally controlled this entire game. Frustrating to watch >=O

Good job, Kitty/Keyblade.

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Oh and @ronnieroo: Awesome Night Actions!

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But why didn't you claim cop and reveal your guilty finding, ronnie?

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Shit, I didn't see the N1 roleblock.

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Also: I don't see how after I got NK'd following my suspicions on Kraut and Keyblade, there wasn't an immediate witch hunt on those two.