Newbie 838 (Game Over!)

[RayFrost]

/confirm

[RayFrost]

Hey, MME, which of the following type of IC are you:

one that prefers the RVS

or

one that prefers asking questions instead of the RVS

Why do you prefer one over the other?

And if you prefer the RVS, why not start us off?

[RayFrost]

I wasn't asking why you didn't start it. I was asking if you would be kind enough to do so, my bad on the ambiguity.

[RayFrost]

and on that note:

vote: purple princess

because peach is pink!

[RayFrost]

For mafia experience:

finished: newbie 815

ongoing: newbie 832 & 838, hoopla's seaside mafia (little italy), and slicey's pokemon mafia (coney island)

This is actually the only game I've ever been in where I didn't replace somebody XD

[RayFrost]

I am just asking due to different IC opinions ._." I want as many experienced opinions and reasons for why people would want to avoid the RVS as possible before making my own educated decision on it. I don't mind either way for the RVS, at this time. Thus, I actually did participate in the RVS, since it had started in this game anyway.

[RayFrost]

As I said, this is the ONLY game I've not replaced into. All the other games are ones I HAVE replaced into... including my finished game.

My opinion on the RVS (as uneducated as it is) is that it can be helpful as a source of getting conversation going, but it can be detrimental as a source of no information and halting discussion. In essence, the RVS, like any other method, is not guaranteed to work.

and the big is wearing a wig ether edited the original avatar to have the wig.

[RayFrost]

EBWOP: big should be bird >.>

[RayFrost]

<> is replaced by [] here =/

Other than that...

unvote, vote: rustyshark

for no avatar and typing something in a way that is much longer and could easily be summarized =/

[RayFrost]

I'm excited about every game as it is a chance to get new experience, make new friends, etc. In fact, this is totally the perfect networking opportunity!

I am excited, but, eh =/ no real reason for why. Why do you ask? Also, how is that line in any way WIFOM?

[RayFrost]

Well, I'm probably the most active poster for the following reasons:

I go to school online.

I usually have ~4-10 hours a day to do whatever.

I'm in quite a few games here on MS, so I need to keep active.

[RayFrost]

Reasons for not posting:

no idea where to go from here

waiting on the MME/shark debate

I've got nothing to add ._."

[RayFrost]

bwahahahahaaaa I am an overeager newbie >.> that's why I'm in about... 6 games right now and the most active poster in most of them.

Also, seeing echo's comment that way, it would be a WIFOM argument by echo, which is pointless. Also, the comment itself would not be WIFOM. It

would

be suspicious, though.

Although talking game theory is not necessarily useful for scum hunting directly, I think it can be of use in understanding the logic of other players (which allows viewing of contradictions in the future or understanding of how the person reached a conclusion).

MME: are you happy that the RVS seems to have finished so quickly, and that people are posting?

unvote

not rvs anymore, so yeah.

[RayFrost]

Hello startransmission and welcome to the game!

We have an assortment of snacks including but not limited to:

"we are no longer in RVS" pie

"please be an active poster" salad

and, my personal favorite,

"feel free to post something that would promote town discussion" flavored ice cream.

[RayFrost]

The only thing that really sticks out to me as suspicious is rusty's line about scum making mistakes. I think Echo put it best when he said that's one of those lines that scum would say to make themselves seem increidbly pro-town. But it's also such a small thing that if rusty doesn't give us more scumtells, he won't even be a suspect.

MME: the echo comment stuff was in response to this post by bigmc.

Welcome startransmission

@ RayFrost, why are you so concerned about rvs? Just let it run it's course, once we have more to go on people will change their votes to who the think is scum. I don't really think you can put a time limit on rvs.

>.< To be honest, the RVS is making me feel like a hunting dog being held by the leash. It's so limiting...

To be honest, I think I much prefer replacing into games over being in them from the start =/ the rvs is not for me, mentally.

@ MME: I'm not sure if I said this already, but the debate would be of value for getting to know both your and rustyshark's mindset (which would allow an understanding of your logic, which provides a basis to see logical contradictions in the future). Correct me if I'm wrong on that.

Currently, I'm in a rush to get out of the RVS because I feel constrained, which bothers me like an itch I just can't make go away. I guess I'm just impatient like that.

[RayFrost]

I would describe my game play as... my game play ._."

I don't really have my gameplay set in stone yet, and I probably wouldn't be sure how to describe it anyway. At least, for starting the game out kind of thing...

For replacing in, you could probably just meta me from ongoing games and newbie 815. My usual is to type an analysis post covering everything of relevance in the game so far, ranking each player from scum to town in my personal reads. (and I am annnoyed that I got quick lynched for scum victory in NG816, PP... impatience is not a virtue)

Since this is my first game where I didn't replace in... I'm unsure of what my game play will be like and how it'll be different from my replacement game play. I'll probably know a few games of it from now

[RayFrost]

This seems like such a slow pace game at the moment, would you mind if I asked some questions to get the conversation started?

@ rustyshark & Carrick16; What is your favorite role to play in mafia?

I enjoyed being the bodyguard.

What do you like about being the bodyguard? Dying?

[RayFrost]

Active != scum tell

The only reason somebody would be worried that the person is active and thus not suspicious enough would be if they are scum (imo). Scum want to pick off townies without drawing suspicion, and hashing it out with an active player is riskier than sniping lurkers.

FoS: Crunchii

early scumminess, how fun

I wish I knew what to do this early in the game... I guess I'll just play it like the games I've replaced into.

[RayFrost]

I'm seeing an "it," but that it is a chainsaw defense =/

Am I imagining it, or is what rusty doing so like a chainsaw defense?

My understanding of a chainsaw defense is:

defending partner by attacking accuser

[RayFrost]

Thanks for the clarification, MME.

The blatant chainsaw defense, imo, is scummy.

I

think

that my vote is on rusty, so I will leave it for now.

[RayFrost]

What is bothersome about PP's questions, carrick?

What do you mean by "sugar coating" in this context?

[RayFrost]

Crunchi:

who do you find scummy? why?

who do you find towny? why?

why are you posting so irregularly?

[RayFrost]

oh dear... it seems rustyshark / echo / bigmc are all getting replaced... how bothersome.

I'll bug a friend of mine to replace into this game, which will give us at least one other active player.

[RayFrost]

Read the newbie queue >.> it says that all three have a replacement request for them.

[RayFrost]

Kinda annoying...

Anyway... I don't really have anything new to add...

I'll respond to questions, but other than that... already covered it, imo.

[RayFrost]

Forgot to add in

@all- who do you prefer playing, town or scum? also why?

haven't played a full game as scum yet (in multiple games... might be scum in those, you never know ), so I'd have to say I prefer scum roles cuz I haven't played one.

Same question to you, ash.

[RayFrost]

Forgot to add in

@all- who do you prefer playing, town or scum? also why?

haven't played a full game as scum yet (in multiple games... might be scum in those, you never know ), so I'd have to say I prefer scum roles cuz I haven't played one.

Same question to you, ash.

I'm posting this quote on all other games you're playing.

Have fun finding them and stuff

[RayFrost]

I just checked the first post...

Mod: you have ash as replacing me when he should be replacing rustyshark, also, you are missing a / for the second [ s]

Ash:

as it is, crunchii is suspicious for lurking, but outside of that... nothing of note all that much.

[RayFrost]

._." I didn't make a big deal of it, imo. I gave a possible explanation of why I was active.

I don't really have any idea of how to scum hunt, so I just do/type what comes to mind.

What is your opinion of MME, porky the train? You seem to have missed him.

As it is, I find crunchi = obv. newb thing to be very dismissive, and I don't really like the newb card being called (especially considering that I, myself, am a newb yet get no slack, but eh... I'd prefer no slack all around).

carrick is suspicious, but...

ash is a little more suspicious, imo. he focused on crunchi but didn't really make an attempt to apply pressure, which kinda defeats the purpose of being suspicious towards somebody. I find that to be a little scummy, along with the whole being worried about "posting too much" when posting is part of what helps town figure out their reads.

[RayFrost]

Oh, forgot to...

FoS: Ash

Not vote worthy, but certainly FoS worthy.

[RayFrost]

oh, wait... I'm voting for him? O.o"

unvote

my case isn't that good.

[RayFrost]

In response to MME:

I didn't think PP was scummy enough to have a vote, pressure or otherwise. Thus, that, in combination with it no longer being RVS, led to an unvote.

I was giving

my

reasons for not posting anything contentful and stuff... no analysis and things like that

[RayFrost]

One:

I agree on the reads of carrick/blueraven being scummy, but why do you choose to vote for blueraven when you generally don't like carrick's play?

Also, what are your conclusions for the other players?

aaaaand... it's missing tubby & Porky the train as well as startrans got anything on them?

[RayFrost]

I'd recommend that BlueRaven claim...

and that he try to defend himself a little better.

If he continues to do poorly over the coming few days, I'll drop the hammer, or just let deadline do the job.

[RayFrost]

Chances of a quick hammer (just looking at the players here)

are virtually 0...

so worry about a quick hammer is nonsensical.

As it is, blueraven needs to respond to the case against him.

vote: BlueRaven

since he deserves to be at l-1

[RayFrost]

ok then, what questions do you want me to answer? and as for the claim? I claim vanilla town.

Defend yourself against the case made by MME and Porkchop, please.

[RayFrost]

@Ray:
I'll reread Ash and get back to you... and back. Ash is doing nothing to follow through on the few opinions that he has given. Given that he replaced in, I would understand, but he puts in plenty of fluffy posts right to the point of wondering out loud if he is posting too much.
Quick shift in the discussion of the direction: Do you think that Tubby's unvote was scummy?

Tubby gave a decent enough reason, and he's still on board for it. It wasn't a backpeddle - it was him ensuring that it was not possible to lynch blueraven before he could make a defense, accidentally or otherwise.

This desire to allow somebody to actually defend themself as well as avoid the issue of discussion being cut short is (imo) indicative of pro-town thinking. At the very least, he got a few more town points.

[RayFrost]

Ok, whoeevr accused me of lurking, and saying ive played the game before so I should know how important it is to be active.

Firstly, this game is completely different from the one I played, secondly, I have been busy. But i'll try and contribute more, I'll be honest and say i've only skimmed through the recent posts. Ive got nothing to hide so ill just say the truth.

Feel free to ask me questions, cuz I havent been active and theres stuff ive not read, but im willing to answer anything. And I have no idea who to vote really so i'll have to go through this long thread tonight.

What do you think of the case on blueraven?

opinion on tubby unvote?

opinion on suspicion toward you?

[RayFrost]

And, of course, anything you think is scummy.

Wait, wait... that needs to be said directly?

[RayFrost]

Yeah...

I suppose you add that to make sure he has no excuse for avoiding it?

[RayFrost]

True enough.

[RayFrost]

Yeah...

I suppose you add that to make sure he has no excuse for avoiding it?

He's managed to avoid really contributing thus far...

Same for Ash, just in a slightly different way.

I think a LoS from both of them would be nice... wouldn't you agree?

Ash & Carrick: do an LoS within your next few posts, please

Note:

LoS = League of Suspicion (BM's name for List of Suspicions sounds cool)

[RayFrost]

-snip-

carrick is suspicious, but...

ash is a little more suspicious, imo. he focused on crunchi but didn't really make an attempt to apply pressure, which kinda defeats the purpose of being suspicious towards somebody. I find that to be a little scummy, along with the whole being worried about "posting too much" when posting is part of what helps town figure out their reads.

[RayFrost]

oh lol i fail, gonna do that now then

Yet. To. Be. Done.

FoS: Ash

keep your word.

[RayFrost]

Gah @ the newbie slack. >.>

Fine, fine...

Blue should be posting, but it seems he's just going to let town lynch him without defending himself or claiming.

One question:

Why is ash suspicious when carrick isn't, considering they are both "newbs?"

[RayFrost]

I might be misunderstanding you, but both names you mention have are FoSes of other people. They both have attention drawn to them, I don't see a double standard.

I meant to reverse their names.

I was asking you specifically, since you gave one newbie slack (so did tubby) but not the other. They are both "newbs," so it'd logically mean they would both get the slack, if any is given for that reason.

[RayFrost]

Gah @ the newbie slack. >.>

Indeed.

Blue should be posting, but it seems he's just going to let town lynch him without defending himself or claiming.

How do you get to this conclusion? And is this, in your opinion, scummy or not?

If he's not posting, knowing the town finds him suspicious, then he is displaying a lack of care, which is willingness to be lynched. He hasn't really defended himself, nor has he claimed.

Null tell at best.

[RayFrost]

RayFrost- 6. Seems friendly at the beginning of game and gives me town vibes. Then later on he starts to lose his cool a bit and, to me, starts showing me a different side. A scum side. He votes BlueRaven “because he deserves to be on L-1”. I know you have suspected him for a long time but that sentence is a bit OTT.

Soooo... wait.

You find me scummy because I'm no longer being "friendly?" I'm still as calm as ever. Mind pointing out where I "lose my cool" for me? Also, while you are at it, point out what is actually scummy. And btw... BlueRaven did deserve to be at L-1: he deserved the pressure of it.


@ MME: think the "mislynch" bit was either an attempt to subtly say tubby is scum or do you think it was a scum slip?

[RayFrost]

@Rayfrost: How do you figure Ash's comment insinuates that Tubby is scum?

By saying tubby was "trying to avoid a mislynch," it would mean that tubby knew it was a mislynch. thus, he would have to be scum.

y'gitme?

[RayFrost]

Mmmm... I see. How do you reconcile Tubby being the least suspicious player (to Ash) with such a theory?

A couple of possibilities, I guess:

Ash is scum trying to at once buddy with a townie and cast suspicion upon them

Ash is town and just worded it poorly

Ash is scum with tubby and thus puts him low and made a slip by accident.

[RayFrost]

ok well now that we have shown we are willing to lynch blue depending on his answers i will:

unvote

i do not want a quick hammer to screw up blue answering the afore mentioned questions..

Tubby's reasoning is bolded.

This is not a "mislynch" reasoning... it is "I want discussion to not be cut short" reasoning.

and the "if he is town of course" makes it seem like he is scum trying to cover up a scumslip...

[RayFrost]

All in all, your choice of words and "gut" in the context given, feels a lot like trying to leave yourself some wiggling room if blue was lynched.

whoops didnt see that post, but doesnt unvoting because he doesnt want a quick hammer seem town to you?

Sure it does. But how is this relevant to what we're saying?
And as startrans said: you did see that post as it was the keystone of your townread on tubby.

agreed on the bolded.

[RayFrost]

I also didn't mean that abandoning the blue waggon would be a miracle, I just meant that if he isn't going to responed to peolpe voting for him before the deadline

I am unsure if we will have some kind of mircale before deadline, otherwise I can see that you may be the first to be lynched, which would be a complete waste if you do flip town.

And we have a lie!

Also, reread post 252. PP (who has avoided really saying anything about Blue) spends a great deal of that post adding qualifiers to everything. It seems to me that she'd rather not get caught giving an explicit opinion on Blue.

@PP: Even though you (very quickly) threw in the towel in response to MME's request to explain your read, I'm not inclined to let you get away with not addressing the case against Blue. Actually reread the Blue discussion, and post some opinions on it. Who knows, you might even stumble across something that justifies your read along the way.

Perhaps she is distancing from the lynch of her scum buddy or a townie?

[RayFrost]

How is it an odd sentence?

I consider distancing a possibility whenever I see something like this... perhaps because I don't have the proper definition for it?

Anyway, I think my vote is on ash... it's staying.

[RayFrost]

Yes, i agree on this one. I cant see the logic you used behind this.

Hey Blue!!!!!

Why don't you respond to the case made against you?

[RayFrost]

Okaaaay...

did BlueRaven just vote for the other most suspicious player to save his own hide?


also, I thought my vote was on ash...

[RayFrost]

Yup... >.<

unvote, vote: David-villa-7

FoS: BlueRaven

[RayFrost]

Unvote. Vote: david-villa-7

I'm not impressed with the way he's trying to put off answering questions. It feels like he's trying to run til the deadline. Blue and pp aren't far from my sights, however.

Also Ash is on L-1. Vote sensibly.

since the L-1 notice might not be obvious enough ( ) for some players:

ASH IS AT L-1. Vote Sensibly

[RayFrost]

Bah, go town

[RayFrost]

Oh, this game is done.

SCUM QT ME READ NAO

[RayFrost]

Scum QT has nothing.

why was I killed?

[RayFrost]

The truth is revealed:

VoidenBlaze (5:04:41 PM): I was obv town
VoidenBlaze (5:04:46 PM): so you chose me instead of...
VoidenBlaze (5:04:47 PM): MME
VoidenBlaze (5:04:50 PM): also obv town
Nikanor9113 (5:04:50 PM): Yup.
Nikanor9113 (5:04:58 PM): MME wasn't obvtown...
Nikanor9113 (5:05:00 PM):
Nikanor9113 (5:05:16 PM): Not as obvtown as Ray!
VoidenBlaze (5:05:19 PM): lol
Nikanor9113 (5:05:29 PM): Also, RayFrost is at the pinnicle of scumhuntsmanship.

[RayFrost]

VoidenBlaze (5:11:45 PM): the guy you replaced was obv scum in that game
Nikanor9113 (5:11:50 PM): Lol.
VoidenBlaze (5:11:51 PM): I was kinda surprised to see it was lylo
Nikanor9113 (5:11:55 PM): Haha.
Nikanor9113 (5:12:02 PM): I was good at playing scum?
Nikanor9113 (5:12:05 PM): Yeah.
VoidenBlaze (5:12:06 PM): I guess
Nikanor9113 (5:12:09 PM): Let's leave it at that.
VoidenBlaze (5:12:09 PM): or the town failed
Nikanor9113 (5:12:24 PM): I could have won if I wasn't so lazy.
Nikanor9113 (5:12:26 PM):
VoidenBlaze (5:12:26 PM): I'm leaning toward town fail due to lack of enough MME & Frost
Nikanor9113 (5:12:33 PM): Haha.
VoidenBlaze (5:12:36 PM): *Frostbite
Nikanor9113 (5:12:43 PM): Lol.

[RayFrost]

Of course, Porky and Mitey turned it 'round at lylo ftw, so that's town ownage.

[RayFrost]

You said it, you can't unsay it.

lol, I hadn't read lylo yet.

[RayFrost]

You said it, you can't unsay it.

lol, I hadn't read lylo yet.

And it was a joke.

And you really are awesome as town, PE [insert reference to omod game where PE was obv town]

[RayFrost]

So, now you're back-pedalling?

Vote: Rayfrost

Now that I think about it: I should play in more games with you, Ray, since you seem to be able to keep me off the Night 1 hitlist. Of course, every other game seems to have you in it, so I'm sure it'll happen again. Where do you get the energy?

MISREP!!!

vote: PorkchopExpress

lol, only sometimes.

I'm still young and I have a lot of time

I can also only do it from the start, can't replace in & catch up (too busy/lazy for that).

If you want to be /in a game with me, check the queue and look for either the crossfire mafia or seraphim's mafia games. They are large, though.

[RayFrost]

unvote, vote: hohum

Says the lurker

Anyway, any advice for me to improve my scum finding skills?