Mafia 105 - Caught in the Crossfire (Game Over)

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amazingly there is no one in this 25 person game that i want to policy lynch. that might be a first.

i do <3 elvis and charter, but i'm gonna go with a spread love vote

vote: sotty

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EBWOP:

I currently prefer my current approach

This is what happens when you accidentally sound too pretentious. My eyes hurt rereading this.

maximum lulz

vi who should i vote for?

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unvote, vote: spyrex

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you're just that special

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guys maemuki is town

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@SpyreX meta for Juls: The take-home point is that SpyreX-Town is, like, really obvTown.
There is nothing even halfway Townish about SpyreX's posts ITT.

for the record i probably wouldn't have just blindly followed vi if i didn't agree with this assessment.

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@roflcopter: why do you see the need to claim that maemuki is town? No one's even voting her.

i think town hunting is even more important than scum hunting. i'm better at it, and if i identify enough people who are town the scum have nowhere left to hide.

and sometimes people are just so obviously town it has to be said.

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sigma votes confid --> maemuki questions sigma about something unrelated to confid --> confid ignores everything sigma said about him to parrot maemuki's point

yeah ok i could lynch confidanon today

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my above post is an example of why its sometimes good to note who is obviously town.

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it is never too early to put a thorn in the side of the scum

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ah, vi's point number two is what was making me so uneasy about that post. i couldn't quite put my finger on it. that was sneaky.

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maemuki, 90% gut read, 10% little things i just don't think scum would have done in the situation. i'm not going to give the scum a roadmap for making me think they're town though, so i'll be leaving it at that.

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csl, do you have any completed games on this site as scum, and if so can you please post links to them?

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actually, csl, could you link me to any games where you are lynched as town, too?

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my biggest problem on day one of any game is consistently that there are so many people begging to be lynched.

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confid, sigma voiced suspicion of you, and instead of addressing that suspicion in any way, you latched onto what someone else was saying about sigma in an obvious effort to make him look worse. that's whats so scummy here.

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spyrex needs to come back and post something pro-town so i can switch my vote to confid

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hey spyrex, switch your vote to confidanon with me

unvote, vote: confidanon

somebody please kill crypto asap as well

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infinis post 288, you make a lot of fair assessments but don't seem to draw any conclusions based on them, at least none you're telling us about beyond your vote being nonrandom.

does vi's 71 give you and bearing on his alignment? if so, what bearing? if not, why did you bring it up?

what is your opinion of spyrex?

which of confidanon/csl do you think is more likely to be scum, and why is sigma a better lynch candidate than either of them?

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INFINIS:

infinis post 288, you make a lot of fair assessments but don't seem to draw any conclusions based on them, at least none you're telling us about beyond your vote being nonrandom.

does vi's 71 give you and bearing on his alignment? if so, what bearing? if not, why did you bring it up?

what is your opinion of spyrex?

which of confidanon/csl do you think is more likely to be scum, and why is sigma a better lynch candidate than either of them?

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hiphop is textbook active lurking. scummy.

too many people are finding confidanon scummy then finding reasons not to vote for him / vote for somebody else. i guess the scum haven't realized they should be bussing already.

redcoyote gets lynched next when confid flips scum

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vote: infinis

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he's scum

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he provides summary instead of analysis. and he ignored me twice, which is a capital crime.

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waiting for infinis

idiotking wagon is pretty good

i don't like the fact that vi is slowly tiptoeing away from his professed town read on maemuki as more and more people get tricked into thinking she might be scum.

pops, what do you think of spyrex's vote?

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yeah pops is town. charter, you should help me lynch infinis.

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I agree that Sotty looks town. Not Pops, though.

Not sure why Infinis is getting so much bad press.

Preview edit: Oh, no ...

define "so much bad press," then please give a legitimate reason to defend infinis rather than making vague unhappy statement designed to dissuade anyone from voting for him without giving reasons he shouldn't be voted for

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I just don't see what earns him a scum read. He seemed to be thinking independently with his shots at Sigma, which strikes me as town.

Er, while I was skimming the iso. I saw his join date. He's been around since January. I've been reading him as new to the site. That changes things. I'll have to take a look at his meta.

Vi, the Pops/RayFrost comparison doesn't help me much. What are RF's virtues?

not seeing what earns him a scum read is a terrible reason to try to influence someone else's read on him away from scum. unless you're scum with him, in which case carry on making yourself obvious.

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infinis, stop hiding behind the wordcount rule to hide the fact that you're not doing anything

everyone, we're lynching infinis today. quit screwing around and start voting him.

and somebody please kill crypto at the next convenient opportunity so we don't have to take the time tomorrow to lynch him when infinis flips scum

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woot

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spyrex could still be scum. depends how valuable of a scum power role infinis winds up flipping.

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if he doesn't get taken out by some well-intentioned bullet before tomorrow, talk to me about budja then. i have my lynch for today already.

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seriously though, somebody kill crypto next chance you get

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hiphop, in your opinion, what has infinis accomplished so far that is pro-town?

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redcoyote is suffering from the "summarize and get someone else to analyze" disease too, with a side of naysaying any and all forms of forward progress. i'm not sure i have a real bead on

his

opinion on any player as of this last post, all i know is that he wants us to slow down and all take a good hard look at each other.

oh, i do know how he feels about csl, thats right. he feels that we could never ask for a better day one lynch. which is code for this is an easy lynch that i shouldn't take any flak for if and when he flips town.

too many scumbags, not enough lynches in a day.

fos: redcoyote

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pads, please wax philosophical for me on the subject of infinis, a player you are completely ignoring

that said, its officially crypto lynch time, and we can save infinis for dessert

unvote, vote: crypto

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this is what happens when a scum gets wagoned for reasons he believes to be totally idiotic

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vi is making this difficult for me. i want to believe he's town and go on a bender lynching all the bad guys with him, but he keeps doing things i disagree with.

elvis also

might

be scum, but i like her way too much to lynch her on day one.

charter gets added to the town list.

crypto wins some sort of prize for being so devoted to the use of ad hom. does me being a tween or not have any bearing on my point? nope. but thats all you could muster in response to it.

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simulposted with imaginality's big fluffy post full of scumhunting-lite and absolutely no attempts to actually move the game forward or convince anyone of anything. there was way, way, way too much wishy washy language in that post. ironic, because he used it to accuse idiotking of exactly the same thing - not taking a stance on anyone and leaving himself room to adjust his views to get in line with what other people are thinking.

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imaginality, what in particular do you like about sotty's posts? why do you like it? does liking her posts make her more likely town in your eyes?

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ok crypto, i'll play along

unvote, vote: elvis_knits

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charter, does elvis seem obviously town to you?

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feh

unvote, vote: csl

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yeah hoopla is town

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csl specifically acted like a bitch over being suspected and thus replaced out. that is so very much different from not being able to handle activity levels.

if csl is scum, idiotking is an absolute lock to be his scumbuddy

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opinions of mine that have changed or strengthened in significant ways. if you don't get a mention you're either too invisible or i still think whatever i thought yesterday.

maemuki is probably NOT town. sorry for the mixup yesterday folks, she put on a good show to begin with but has lost some serious steam since then.

sigma i somehow don't have any real read on. this is only notable because he was a minor wagon and seemed to have posted a lot yesterday, but nothing he did really sticks out to me. further reading is necessary.

shottytothebody is town

pops is still town

charter is still town (and if he wants to sway me over to lynching vi today, i might be open to this)

redcoyote i'm about 50/50 on at this point

spyrex might still be scum

infinis is probably still scum

vi is still making me feel meh for unquantifiable reasons, but today i am going to dance a happy dance because we are in agreement about at least one major point. speaking of which...

elvis_knits (i'm sad to say) is the lynch today

vote: elvis

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imaginality made two votes over the course of yesterday: energetic penguin and csl. he sat on his penguin vote for a long while and made random comments from a comfortable position on that inconsequential bandwagon. i'm most interested in the people he found scummy but didn't leave e-penguin's wagon to actually vote for. there are a couple of other important notes too. here goes.

on elvis v. crypto:

elvis is right re. calling people town, crypto looks scummy

without providing any reasoning, he throws his weight behind elvis.

also note the hypocrisy in supporting elvis for calling mae town (above) then calling mae scum (below).

people he started out calling scum and never voted for:

mae is scummy (e.g. 360)

Hoopla's 417 is good points against IK

IK(431) is all kinds of wrong

IK can you point to any completed games you replaced out as scum?

in particular, idiotking gets a serious tongue lashing (at least, as serious imaginality ever got around to giving, and yet without ever mentioning anything in particular from penguin, that's where he drops his vote?

also, this is a direct defense of spyrex. known scum defending you for no apparent reason? yeah thats generally some kind of sign.

SpyreX wagon sucks (as of page 9) reasons-wise (fine if it's just for the sake of wagoning)

the interaction with rayfrost centered on imaginality iso post 3 (specifically ray's side of it, the two ray posts bookending it) gives me a warm happy not scumpartners vibe.

in comes the crypto wagon, and a series of sudden about faces from imaginality:

I think Hoopla and charter might both be town though which would mean the scum on the wagon are EnergeticPenguin and elvis_knits. Oh and maybe rofl too.

first of all, wasn't he just supporting elvis against crypto? naming elvis as scum all the sudden (but again keeping e-penguin at the forefront for no apparent reason) reeks of distancing. reeks of it. i get thrown into the pot too here, probably as a wishy washy insurance thing in case real suspicion of me ever builds up.

I'm also keeping a close eye on IdiotKing - his fence-sittingy post (652) gave him ample room to join the wagon but makes him look good if it goes nowhere.

i actually pounced on this when it happened, but now that we know he was scum, his unwillingness to ever put idiotking in actual danger while making random points against him is distance-tastic.

Of course, all this doesn't mean crypto is definitely town, he could just be on the different scumteam to EP/EK/IK. But I'm not convinced by charter's 682 about crypto backing down in 676. I think crypto is most likely town.

here's another heel face turn he made in this post, suddenly backing crypto (but still hedging his bets). i get the feeling crypto was rabid enough to scare him off of directly supporting elvis against him.

Anyhow I like my vote on EP even more now. EK would be a good vote too though because of this plus being on ConfidAnon wagon (like EK) plus the deflection thing. I think we should wagon one of the two of them, I don't mind which but EP still has more votes on him (I think) so I'll keep my vote on him.

keeping your scumpartner at spot number two on your scumlist is a

classic

scum move. the "penguin wagon is bigger" non-excuse for not changing ever after presenting an overwhelming amount more evidence against elvis is just icing on the cake.

Maemuki's sniping of crypto from the sidelines looks scummy, and in other news the case against CSL also looks good to me. Conversely, I think Pads and RC are more likely town and I like Sotty's posts too.

this seems like easy distancing from mae and more buddying up to crypto. he also lays the groundwork for hopping on csl later.

i have a hard time categorizing all the people he's calling town (remember he got in on the hoopla and charter town love earlier too), but its very likely he threw a scumbag into the "i think these people are town" bonanza for variety. something to keep an eye on.

he used it to accuse idiotking of exactly the same thing - not taking a stance on anyone and leaving himself room to adjust his views to get in line with what other people are thinking.

More scum points to Imaginality for softly accusing like fifty different people of scumminess.

Not seeing either point. In that post:

People I said look scummy: EP, EK, Mae, IK, CSL
People I was ambiguous about: Hoopla, rofl
People I said look towny: crypto, charter, Pads, RC, Sotty

well he's got the reserve townie on his scummy list, who he later hammered, and i'm pretty sure at this point that e-penguin is town too. i would say that at least two of elvis, mae and idiotking are scum.
the ambiguous list is all town obv
crypto goes on the town list along with charter who i have a town read on and three people i have had a very hard time reading. again, something i'm keeping my eye on. there's probably scum on that "towny" list.

2. because I was the one who brought up the case against Mae, and if you look, Imag has a scum read on Mae. If he thinks Mae is scum, why is he so quick to be leaning toward a scum read on me?

Multiple scum groups means this point fails.

what appears to be evidence of a single scum group means this point wins. obviously it turned out crypto is town, and its looking more and more like mae is scum with imag

I like how you say this without commenting on the fact that I repeatedly tried to point out that it was an assumption. I made it very clear that I thought it was

stupid for people to vote for that reason

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Tempted to vote crypto, but it's

a reasonable assumption to make in a game this large, isn't it?

The 'but it's...' implies that's why you were 'tempted to vote' for him. So you were tempted to vote for him for a stupid reason?

I agree that your following posts were more clearly against voting him for that reason, but the 'tempted' in that first post in the sequence sounds more fence-sitting-y.

again, post after post dedicated to idiotking, or mae, or elvis knits, or befriending crypto, and yet his vote sits on e-penguin, who he never actually makes a real point against.

conclusions

elvis is scum. lynch her now please.
mae is very likely scum.
idiotking is very likely scum.
spyrex is still in the might be scum category.

e-penguin is town.
rayfrost is most likely town.

This post is 1167 words. Way over the 750 limit.

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i completely forgot about the word count rule. sorry for blatantly breaking it. won't happen again. i also broke my first quote tag because i'm on a roll today.

Fixed the quote tags. Sent a PM warning for good measure, but I know you realized it pretty quickly

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obv i understand you disagreeing with me calling you scum. but i hope you understand where it comes from, since imag directly defended you in his first post.

otherwise, yes, pads could very, very easily be the guy on imag's "town" list that is a scumpartner. he's still not the best lynch today because of the weight of evidence against elvis, mae and idiotking.

another note: imag totally ignores a lot of people, but ignoring vi (by far the loudest player in the game) is definitely quirky. don't know what to make of it yet.

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oh yeah, dayvigging elvis would actually be great. not only would it free us up to lynch more scumbags, it would free me from the onerous task of lynching someone i like so much.

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E-Penguin is still likely lurkerscum.

please provide a more enthralling reason to believe e-penguin is scum aside from lurking, and please explain why you don't agree with my conclusion in regards to imaginality and penguin not being scum together.

vi jumping off the elvis bandwagon is also terrible

elvis has focused exclusively on combating vi's reason for voting her, which is strawman-ish considering other people (read: me) have provided more compelling reasons to lynch her. sorry e_k.

and i'm pretty sure redcoyote is not scum after his last post

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Quick EBWOP:

Saying that he's not scum because known scum was fifth on his wagon is somewhat unsatisfying,

This isn't what you're saying at all, although that was my initial impression before I read the longpost :\

ok, so you just gave an excuse based on an incorrect assessment of what i said, ebwop'd to say "woops," but didn't find a better excuse or change your mind? am i missing anything here?

if i can't have an elvis lynch today, i'll take a vi lynch

For now, it shouldn't tear at your inner being that I'm voting a different scum that I can identify more easily.

but it does. you should know very well that leaving a burgeoning wagon on a scumbag will look terrible for you.
seems like vi thought he had some safe distancing from elvis to do, then all the sudden found out it was actually a dangerous wagon and now he's trying to make everyone change direction.

And it would hurt too much for you to tell why? Aside from "he agrees with me", of course.~

actually a bigger factor in my read is your stance on him

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with Xyl pegging his targets even with flawed premises

You

do

realize I was scum in that game, right?

also wow, vi, way to go fearmongering about my connections-to-imag post by linking to a similar post made by scum in another game. if you're going to do that, are you suggesting i'm scum? would you like to provide evidence other than "made a big post about the dead scum"? otherwise would you like to find a real reason not to agree with any of my conclusions?

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rayfrost, why don't you have a vote placed?

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Plus, none of the people voting Elvis are giving me much of a reason to vote her

you're kidding, right?

ray, why is hito a better lynch than elvis?

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ray, vote for elvis

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hiphop, please vote for elvis. your argument that a lack of elvis->imag connections means the imag->elvis connection isn't as strong is flawed.

this is the only time elvis mentions imag yesterday:

Imaginality's reads are all over the place

its an incredibly noncommittal comment. it draws no conclusions one way or the other as to what this could mean about imaginality's alignment. believe me when i tell you that scum are absolutely loathe to commit to an opinion about their scumpartners, to the point where they often ignore them altogether.

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FOS RayFrost

for an idiotic appeal to emotion. "Kill me or get over it" is a mind-numbingly stupid thing to say regardless of your alignment.

if it's mind-numbingly stupid regardless of alignment, does it have any bearing on his alignment?

if it has no bearing on his alignment, does it really warrant an fos?

if it doesn't really warrant and fos and you slap him with an fos anyway, does that just make you look like you're sniping at easy targets?

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ik, do you think rayfrost is scum?

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do you see any evidence of a connection between rayfrost and imaginality? if so, please point the rest of us to it.

what beyond the appeal to emotion is the basis for your suspicion?

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i'm isoreading some people to figure out who gets to die next. y'all can thank me later for totally blowing up elvis' spot.

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actually guys, we're lynching maemuki.

unvote, vote: mae

please refer to my earlier megapost to see where i pointed out imag's clear cut distancing from mae.

elvis chainsaw defends mae vs crypto here and from that point on

elvis probably thought she hit the jackpot when i called mae town, and trying to keep that read where it was and spread it to as many other people as possible (and attack all opposed to it) because here modus operandi for the rest of the day.

the following posts should be self-explanatory in why they make mae scum:

elvis_knits:

only one game post at this time, voting vi for a dodgy reason. keeping an eye on her.

Why single out a person that only

posted once and RVS voted

when the game started yesterday and there are more people of that kind?

My guess it's that e_k decided to use the fact that Vi never saw the "I don't know you I vote you" method before as her random vote. But each to his own. That's something that e_k has to answer, not me.

After this fiasco I'd be down with an elvis lynch as well as Budja. Semantics are sweeetttt.

Explain please?

And now to reread Day 1. *headdesk*

Vote: elvis_knits

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crypto's death strengthens this read.

Why do you think so?

Vi, why e_k over me for example? We all know crypto suspected me waaaay more. Also that could be scum framing e_k.

Right now? You. Wishy-washy wagon jumping with poor reasons. Do I even need to explain?

@Maemuki: Please do. I'd love to see an opinion you didn't steal from someone else.

*claps hands* With this, I assume you have no comeback, correct? Correct.

Also, why so desperate to jump in front of e_knits? And where did crypto suspect you "waaaay more"?

I'm not desperate, I'm just saying that that logic of yours has some serious flaws. I was just pointing them out. She could have been framed, that's all.

*raises eyebrow* Read D1 and come and talk to me. Crypto was on my back on pretty much the whole day.

Well, mind to refresh my memory then? When did you call e_k scummy yesterday? So I can see what your reasons were. Aside from being on crypto's wagon of course.

mae also hasn't placed a vote since sitting on her random vote for pretty much ever, and she's been bunkered down for the last long while in a holding pattern of only every asking people why they're voting for her and why they're voting for elvis.

so yeah, all you guys voting pads, idiotking, hiphop, rayfrost, redcoyote and vi please unvote and vote for maemuki.

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I'll reread tomorrow looking at EP EK.

did you ever do this? what did you learn? why was mae a better initial vote for the day than one of these two players?

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so i thought charter was a sure thing for town for a while there, but he's really going downhill lately

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vi, why do you feel the need to bitch at people for joining the wagon YOU ARE ON?

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more importantly, why is joining a wagon simply because someone else made a point you agree with a bad thing?

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Vote Count, Day 2, Post Day Kill

hiphop ( 1 ) - Xylthixlm
shotty to the body ( 0 )
charter ( 0 )
Energetic Penguin ( 0 )
hitogoroshi ( 1 ) - RayFrost
Idiotking ( 0 )
Infinis ( 0 )
Xylthixlm ( 0 )
Maemuki ( 7 ) - Infinis - Vi - roflcopter - charter - Zakeri - RedCoyote - sigma
Pads ( 1 ) - SpyreX
popsofctown ( 0 )
Zakeri ( 0 )
RayFrost ( 1 ) - Idiotking
RedCoyote ( 1 ) - hiphop
roflcopter ( 0 )
sigma ( 2 ) - shotty to the body - sotty7
Sotty7 ( 0 )
SpyreX ( 0 )
Vi ( 0 )
Unvote ( 5 ) - Energetic Penguin - Maemuki - popsofctown - Pads - hitogoroshi
Total Votes ( 19 )

With 19 alive, 10 needed to reach a majority.
Deadline is at December 12th, 10am EST

xyl, what do you think of maemuki?

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xyl, what do you think of maemuki?

Seems to be an interaction-based case, I'm not really in a position to judge it yet because I haven't caught up on the game. On pure iso read I'd say leaning town.

how does her complete lack of voting factor in? her spending 90+ percent of her time dealing with how people feel about her?

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xyl gets one more post to switch his vote to mae before i start giving him a hard time

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what happend to the infinis wagon? I'm specifically directing this at charter and rofl.

the imaginality death happened, which led directly to elvis (ding!) and mae (soon to be, ding!)

infinis is still scummy, even moreso given his disappearing act today, but if he wants to help lynch mae i'm not going to complain about it.

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xyl, how'd you like mae's post 1106?

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pads should be killed tomorrow. mae should be hammered.

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no we can just kill inifinis tomorrow too

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Well, I have mislynched town-lurkers in lylo

twice

There is a 100% foolproof way to never lose in lylo because of a lurker.

Kill them beforehand?

Got it in one.

A+

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careful study during the night phase (thanks for not killing me and wasting my time, scum!) have led me to this conclusion - today we're lynching charter.

here's why:

VOTE SPYREX!

Traitorous scum!

Now that that is out of the way, I think pops is scum. I actually have like five likely scum candidates, which is kind of awesome. Others to include:

imaginality

, Energetic Penguin, and hitogoroshi.

unvote, vote Pops

Pops for his K7 tangent and his 'why aren't you opposed to Hoopla's avatar' comments.
imaginality for posting to say he isn't going to post.
Energetic Penguin for his FOS of Sigma and then vote for Hoopla.
hitogoroshi because I don't like his last two posts.

I don't think sigma is scum.

note the bolded, imaginality's ultra safe position somewhere in the "lesser degree of suspicion" category. also, pops is town.

201, pretty good point by rofl about Confid doing this right after sigma voiced suspicion of Confid.

229, Confid is just pretending like he isn't doing anything scummy. It's about to catchup to him. He's also clearly scum.
unvote, vote Confid

parrots my point about confid, then makes another vague point and joins the wagon as vote number nine, pushing it one step closer to the mislynch it would have been if not for awesome daykilling

blah blah argues with pops, argue with crypto

charter, does elvis seem obviously town to you?

No, but she's not as scummy as others, and I certainly wouldn't follow crypto's suspicions.

this post shows how awesome i am at sniffing out the weirdness between scumpartners. since elvis was scum and charter is scum.

Now to read up day two after football and what the Elvis deal is about since I don't remember what it was.

the rest of this post was his bogus case against vi[town], then this excuse to not deal with elvis til it was more obvious whether she was really in trouble

Will get to Vi's post momentarily. I'm not going to be voting for Elvis. She is kind of scummy, but no where near Vi levels. Sorry for such a crappy read, I can elaborate tomorrow if someone direly wants an elaboration.

Plus, none of the people voting Elvis are giving me much of a reason to vote her, and I haven't filed any of them under town, all of them are neutral at best, so yeah. No real incentive to vote for Elvis.

scum with elvis

demanding that scum didn't kill crypto seems like a desperate "this is a bogus reason to suspect my scumpartner!" deal, and also probably an admission that scum really didn't and therefore fishing for whoever did kill him

this post is going to need to be looked at again when charter dies and flips scum

towards the end of the day sigma[town] is giving charter issues. then he dies at night. the best kind of wifom.

ends the day yesterday making excuses for why he's not really suspicious of infinis. not the first time i've looked at their interactions and thought "scumpartners." deal with infinis too after charter dies.

and i'm pretty sure i came in under the wordcount this time, too! woot

now lets lynch charter folks

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durp durp i'm dumb and forgot to actually vote

vote: charter

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because i say so. that's enough, isn't it?

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is it guaranteed that the daykiller has unlimited shots? unless there's something i missed in the rules/setup info i don't think its safe to assume that we will continue getting a daykill and a lynch every day.

and charter is the better lynch because infinis was setup by too many people yesterday to be killed today, and i prefer to do things the difficult way.

shotty, what do you think of the other specific points i made in post 1187? you seemed to just imply that the whole case against charter was hyperfocusing on vi, which is untrue.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but rofl's case on charter kind of seems like a pretty similar argument to the one that was made against Mae.

this is worthless fearmongering.

Cases based on connections alone make me nervous.

the case against elvis was based on connections. bizzow! bad excuse for ignoring charter. look at his posts in iso yourself.

spyrex keeps going against the grain and its starting to get obnoxious. spy, did you ever vote for elvis yesterday?

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we really need more votes on charter. the people who are subtly defending him by pushing alternate wagons or calling him only sort of scummy but not as scummy as someone else are quickly rising on my radar (looking at you, sotty and xyl)

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no but charter is scum

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I've had it happen that I was pressing one person (who happened to be scum) while most of the town was pressing someone else (who also happened to be scum). I took some unjustified flak for the second person flipping scum.

And you believe that is happening now?

this could very easily be happening. i still think hiphop is probably scum. but i also know that charter is scum.

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spyrex, why aren't you voting for charter?

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charter, if you're for real real and not for play play, shoot redcoyote tonight

unvote, vote: hiphop

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unvote, vote: redcoyote

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guys we need to lynch redcoyote

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If you want charter to shoot rc tonight, why are you pushing for his lynch now?

i realized that charter is not guaranteed town, just guaranteed not mafia. if he's an sk he can't necessarily be trusted to shoot the scum. therefore i'd rather just lynch rc now.

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Everyone elvis called out in 295 has came up town, so I feel like we must continue to press on with her. She had to have mentioned her partner at some point.

"This strategy has had a 100% failure rate, so we should keep trying it."

yeah i noticed that too, though rc is right that idiotking needs to die. its probably just a desperate attempt to bus for town cred.

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Does that mean you think hito and Idiotking are guaranteed town?

wow loaded question

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It's my experience that scum tend to mention their partners at some point, so I don't buy the idea that we should just stop looking at people elvis mentioned as possible suspects because of townflips.

its my experience that scum tend to try to set up town lynches in such a way that they can go on to lynch more town afterwords.

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unvote

turns out rc is indeed town, sorry about the mixup. charter had me going with his claim.

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i sincerely hope redcoyote will accept my helping him lynch idiotking as an apology for trying to lynch him just now

vote: idiotking

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now that charter is dead and confirmed scum, i'm willing to lynch hito based on this snippet alone:

Correct me if I'm wrong but rofl's case on charter kind of seems like a pretty similar argument to the one that was made against Mae.

but for the time being i'm sticking with my idiotking vote. if xyl and/or rc want to switch to a hito wagon i'll jump.

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Vote Count, Day 3

hiphop ( 3 ) - Sotty7 - SpyreX - RayFrost
shotty to the body ( 0 )
fhqwhgads ( 0 )
hitogoroshi ( 1 ) - Pads
Idiotking ( 2 ) - roflcopter - RedCoyote
Xylthixlm ( 0 )
Pads ( 0 )
popsofctown ( 0 )
Zakeri ( 0 )
RayFrost ( 0 )
RedCoyote ( 1 ) - hiphop
roflcopter ( 0 )
Sotty7 ( 0 )
SpyreX ( 0 )
Unvote ( 7 ) - fhqwhgads - hitogoroshi - idiotking - zakeri - Shotty to the Body - popsofctown - Xylthixlm
Total Votes ( 14 )

With 14 alive, 8 needed to reach a majority.
Deadline is at December 12th, 4pm EST

mod: please prod zakeri and idiotking

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spyrex, do something with the rest of the town for once. your constant need to ignore the main wagons in favor of your pet project is getting scummier by the day.

what do you think of idiotking?
what do you think of hito?
do you see any connection between either of these two players and the three dead scum?

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zakeri, vote for someone

pops, xyl is a pretty solid lock for town right now

having replaced e-pengin, fhq is also very very town, despite the fact that he really needs to be posting more

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idiotking is not only connected to elvis. imaginality constantly made mid grade attacks against imag, but left his vote on e-penguin the entire day instead of ever backing them up. thats much more damning than anything having to do with e_k.

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unvote, vote: rayfrost

claim

also, never join another game again

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we are lynching rayfrost, and i would ask everyone not voting for him to stop being stupid. the daykills were fun while they lasted, but its time to get real.

also, fhq is town, we've been over this. i suppose i shouldn't be surprised that the sk and scum tried to get him quicklynched inside the 24 hour window.