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Vi wrote:Benmage 22 wrote:Vote Viobvious scum.Vote: Benmage(L-6)
Clearly a wannabe mage.
This is normally the part where I try to start a conversation toruin the RVS for everyone elsespurthe game on, but I can't think of anything offhand.
See scum, omgus vote and was actively lurking until i applied pressure. Gogo wagon Vi gogo.-
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Why is extending the rvs scummy?? People are lackadaisical and sometimes slip up..plus it tends to be humerous and fun..i loves the rvs.d3x wrote: To answer your question, I do think that extending the RVS is a bit scummy, so Ecto tips a bit towards the Scum side of my scale. Ecto wasn't the only one doing it, though. And I found your reaction more scummy than those who were trying to extend the RVS.-
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Word I like post 61 as well.
unvote vote Nachomamma8
Vi wrote: On Nacho - If his current style of posting continues, it would be no great loss to see him dead before N1.-
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Yes many things people see as 'scummy' both town and scum do from time to time.d3x wrote:@Ben p64- I find that allowing the RVS to continue for an undue amount of time distracts the Town and puts off ScumHunting. I find that it's all too easy for Scum to use the RVS to build a BS case on a Townie. With that in mind, I find it to be scummy to try to stretch out the RVS. Point in case...
...this applies to Townies as well. If allowed to continue on, there is a chance for Townies to say something stupid and end up looking very scummy in the long run.People are lackadaisical and sometimes slip up
Cases based solely on the rvs are bad cases and I doubt scum would play so poorly, but you never know.
I dont think the rvs puts off scum hunting or distracts..its fun, lighthearted, and relatively brief. I've never seen one in a mini go over 5 pages, or 4 days long...with deadlines avging 3 weeks..i think we can afford it.-
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VP Baltar wrote:You also thought post 61 was by porkchop express.
Quit making me look bad! But seriously i do need to read more carefully and not post off memory alone.
Bladdy bladdy bladdy ask some smarter questions please or dont mind me when i dont answer all of em. "Scummy to extend rvs"... Yes, no depends...bad question.Nachomamma8 wrote: @Ben:
But when the RVS has already ended, is it scummy to attempt to extend it?
Are you saying that people who do "scummy" things should be excused? Because you DID say that "many things people see as 'scummy' both town and scum do from time to time". If not, what was the point of that statement?
Do you believe that the RVS is beneficial to town?
Next one: No you cant excuse scummy behavior, but you cant/shouldnt condemn people on minor things alone; usually...Things that are all wifom, would scum do this... would town do this etc etc crap like that. I've been in games where buddying, bussing, answering/defending questions geared toward another..things town, scum, just players do..and that was considered a case. Its sort've what I was referencing with that statement.
"Rvs benefical to town"...bad question...yes, no, i dont care...i like it, what do you think? How is it bad, how is it good? (see those last 2 questions I made...they sound like things you'd ask... quick meaningless questions to make me look like i'm being inquisitive hoooray)-
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Why VP?Vi wrote: I like my vote but would freely switch to whichever of VP, Sotty, and Amished has the largest wagon.
This unfortunately has the side effect of alienating half of my fan club at once, but etc.
Pfffft...this is terrible reasoning for dislikeing me...so i confused u and ecto for a post i liked....i said it was post 61 which is true. Zomg i am human and thought it was by someone else.PorkchopExpress wrote: I don’t like this post. I don’t like that Benmage doesn’t seem to be paying attention to the very little play that has transpired so far. I really don’t like that he doesn’t seem to be paying attention to the details of the bandwagon that he joined. This was a pretty huge gaffe for a simple memory failure. He ignores Ecto entirely (even though he quotes a link to Ecto’s argument) and then possibly tries to hide his band-wagoning behind my band-wagoning.
You're reaching farrrrr here. Scum are nitpicky as hell...they make sure to be errorless...so i was semi nonchalant in my posting thus far. It cause i'm town. I dont need to tread on thin ice because I dont need to act town, i just can do whatever the hell i want...(basically).
I made a simple name mistake, to hop on that is comical...but its cool we'll(me, + the town, not you..)progress from here.
I dont understand wat you're quoting here.PorkchopExpress wrote:
Oh dear.
Except that this isn’t a helpful, pro-town attitude and it will lose you support. Like so.Unvote. Vote: benmage-
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i never said i was playing bad...i mixed up two people....jebus.Sotty7 wrote:
You are playing bad because you are town? Yeah, that doesn't work for me.Benmage Post 133 wrote:You're reaching farrrrr here. Scum are nitpicky as hell...they make sure to be errorless...so i was semi nonchalant in my posting thus far. It cause i'm town. I dont need to tread on thin ice because I dont need to act town, i just can do whatever the hell i want...(basically).-
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Lets see some of the voters iso’s for reasoning why:
why me?Amished wrote:Unvote
Vote: ConfidAnon
Also vote for d3x, and benmage, if I could.
Oooo tis a good point.Amished wrote:
Pretty much sums it up. Why would you keep your random vote (that you've now talked about random votes have no meaning); instead of voting for somebody obviously scummy? It's a sure sign of scum not wanting to vote for somebody (buddy, town, either way works; initially leaning towards town).ConfidAnon wrote:Right now, Nacho is obviously scummy . . . but not enough so that it warrants a vote from me yet.
This point again…ok, ok.Sotty7 wrote:Unvote, Vote: Confid
The “So obviously scummy but I won't vote” thing pushed me over the edge.
This point again!VP Baltar wrote:Unvote, Vote: ConfidAnon
Not voting "obv scum"....priceless.
Word. But than he calls him scummy town, not scummy scum…tough reach there. Scummy town to me is usually referencing players playing poorly/badly…its early for that deduction. So a little confused by his statements.VP Baltar wrote:It's not that he's not explaining why he finds him obviously scummy. It's that he says he's obviously scummy but doesn't vote him. Does not compute.
I didnt understand this DJ, could you explain please or rephrase.don_johnson wrote:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------confid wrote:Please explain to me why a random vote requires justification?
4. "omg! why are you questioning me?! that's an overreaction! you must be scum! RVS vote stays."
hint: its number 4.
vote: confidanon
Con's wagon seems good. Could be some sorta slip he made. I dont see any better options atm, gonna re-read that nacho thing.
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He isnt voting for someone he believe is obvious scummy..then gives a later explanation that he views him as scummy town, not scummy scum which doesnt make sense to me at this point of the game.pwnz wrote:I'm sorry, and maybe I'm just crazy, but why did you just vote for ConfidAnon, Benmage? Where is the rational thought behind that one?
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Its a decent, illogical offence no?Vi wrote: I'm not sure what to make of Benmage putting ConfidAnon at L-2 tbh... for the same reason as everyone else... after acknowledging everyone on the wagon having the same reason.
L-2 isnt exactly a death sentence...but it'll make Con forced to come in and clarify (not lurk it off) and if he/she doesnt, or messes up it'll be a fast D1.-
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So original thought is a requirement for all wagonvoting... I told you what outcome i'm looking to achieve, and my reasoning same as yours for initial voting...but i need original thoughtVP Baltar wrote:It's my new two strikes policy. You really do seem to be following wagons with no original thought whatsoever.-
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And than i read all the voters isos, voting him for insight. Dont tell em i jumped or rushed this one harshly...i wasnt sinking my teeth into the game yet early on...made a misname and didnt see 1 vote. Geeeeze.VP Baltar wrote:Yeah, I mean, you followed the nacho wagon without even really understanding it and now you're far to eager to jump on ConfidAnon before he has even had a chance to explain himself. If you have nothing original to add to it, I don't see any real reason for you to be in a clamor to join the wagon, especially when your previous post said that you had JUST read him in iso and didn't see any reason to be voting him.
He explained himself. Me putting him at L-2 will make him come out and defend himself, if he fails to do so properly he hangs. Its fairly simple.
I read the clarification.Vi wrote:
ConfidAnon has already clarified that statement. I even quoted where he did it.Benmage 147 wrote:Its a decent, illogical offence no?
L-2 isnt exactly a death sentence...but it'll make Con forced to come in and clarify (not lurk it off) and if he/she doesnt, or messes up it'll be a fast D1.Thatactually makes it worse for me. Me, not the other PoV's who are voting.
He said he reads scummy town, not scummy scum...What is your interpretation of scummy town?-
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Hell no. They're everywhere. But my interpretation of scummy townies are bad/novice-like/poor players....I think it a bit early in this game for Con to be suggesting that of Nacho.Vi wrote:
Are you suggesting that scummy Townies are somehow rare?Benmage 156 wrote:He said he reads scummy town, not scummy scum...What is your interpretation of scummy town?
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Noticed this too, i need to reread his iso, and that 1st wagon on him.Sotty7 wrote:Nacho has gone MIA since the pressure left him, I don't like that.
You think theres already ample information to decide someones scummy actions aren't because they're scum, but that they are town and just did a scum-like-action-slip. That would mean the player would have to have already contributed significantly indicating clear town-like play, and then have a scum slip or two or bad move...i just dont think there's that much info yet in the game...so when a player this early is scummy, i dont see how one can call it or write them off as "scummy town"...but then again, we'll wait to here from Con.Vi wrote:
People who act scummy, and yet happen to be Town (or are probably Town).Benmage 158 wrote:Again, how do you define "scummy townies"?
I have no idea why you think it was too early for that suggestion to be tossed around.
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Dudet i dont know exactly, absolutes suck in this game. But generally i'd say when you have a good town read on someone throughout a game and they slip up. Do a novice/poor/scummy move.Sotty7 wrote:Benmage, when do you think you can call someone scummy town?
I like that analysis by ecto about x scummy and x antitown..tho i'm sure i've interchanged the two.-
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dur...welcome to mafia...iso reads aren't nearly as good as rereading whole thread..reading the others isos put things in perspective..how can i interpret his answers without the questions...dunt dunt daaaaahVP Baltar wrote:
That doesn't make you look better in my eyes. You are essentially saying "I didn't see the problem until other people pointed it out for me and I think it's GRRRRRRRRRRRREAAT!" It's a scum mentality of scum hunting.benmage wrote:And than i read all the voters isos, voting him for insight.
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Every...2...but every does sound worse, so nj.Nachomamma8 wrote:Unvote, Vote: Benmage
He has hopped on every bandwagon that looks good to him, he has been posting zero content, and I hate the majority of his posts.
I thought that was damn good reasoning..and what'd u do after it..ask bs questions which by the way you didnt answer mine.Nachomamma8 wrote: First, his piggybacking off Porkchop's vote with absolutely no explanation whatsoever except for "I like this post."
zzzzzz..heres a question name the colors of the rainbow.Nachomamma8 wrote: He then refuses to answer two questions asked of him because they're "stupid questions".
Argue this logically against me...PUHleease. Tell me which scenario you think the scum player is more likely to act.Nachomamma8 wrote: Then, there's this.
Instead of defending himself, he basically says "if I was scum, I'd be playing a lot better right now." I don't like this at all.You're reaching farrrrr here. Scum are nitpicky as hell...they make sure to be errorless...so i was semi nonchalant in my posting thus far. It cause i'm town. I dont need to tread on thin ice because I dont need to act town, i just can do whatever the hell i want...(basically).
1. Do you think scum in general take a more careful approach towards games? Making sure to play as flawlessly as possible?
2. Do you think town is more or less likely to take a laid back approach towards the beginning of a game?
Just tell me logically which makes more sense.
Rofl...first i beg to differ...2nd you used my point against you...you asked the dumbest questions ever to be "inquisitive"...zzzz i c thru u, and u didnt like it...nice omgus vote.Nachomamma8 wrote: Other than that, he hasn't done any scumhunting whatsoever, and it seems he's just trying to coast by.
i'm confused by this point... rephrase??(if its worth it)Vi wrote:@Benmage: You're making this into much more of a Burden of Proof argument than it needs to be. You don't need a long history of posts to be able to see the intent behind what people say and do.
I seriously don't think this is the first time you've ever run across the distinction between "scummy" and "anti-Town".
For your sake i'm going to assume this is a rhetorical question.Sotty7 wrote:
Do you think Vi's “scummy town” of Confid is set in stone?Benmage Post 168 wrote:
Dudet i dont know exactly, absolutes suck in this game. But generally i'd say when you have a good town read on someone throughout a game and they slip up. Do a novice/poor/scummy move.Sotty7 wrote:Benmage, when do you think you can call someone scummy town?
This is post 61 you are referring to right? The one i agreed with? I think? There was another agreeing with that post too right?Amished wrote:Reading through, nm8 looks more town, porkchop (and by extention, ecto) look more scummy due to ecto's bad vote; and porkchop just agreeing with it and not adding anything more to the game at that point (65). Benmage hopping onto the same vote for the same reason makes me think that both PCE and Ben wouldn't be scum together (too obvious), but one is scum almost for sure. I stand by 106 for my views on Ecto.
Nah, yeah, wagon it up.Amished wrote: I would like to vote for Vi, but I don't see that taking off. Benmage is scummy as well and should be voted for.
Give me a real question..with some depth to it, and i'll be happy to oblige. I'll help narrow it...on what issue, or thing do you want my opinion on?Nachomamma8 wrote:Any other opinions? (Ben, maybe you could actually give us a real one?)
Man you should get a little award for embellishment.Nachomamma8 wrote:I was also trying to force the king of bandwagon jumping (Benmage) to take an opinion on something :/
I'll bite, lets hear some clarification.Amished wrote: my post against benmage, I was pointing to why I feel he's scummy, and if anybody wants to question those reasons, we both have a good starting point to work out why I feel he's scum; and I can clarify further instead of having to rehash everything.
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Uhhh False....Here's my post reading Con's iso before reading the iso's of those voting him:VP Baltar wrote:
But the problem is that the line you attack him over, the line that everyone else attacked him over, doesn't need any context to appear scummy. If you were actually scumhunting on your own, it might have stood out to you. As it is, others had to point it out before you found it scummy.benmage wrote:dur...welcome to mafia...iso reads aren't nearly as good as rereading whole thread..reading the others isos put things in perspective..how can i interpret his answers without the questions...dunt dunt daaaaah
So, yeah, vote stays.
Benmage wrote:I read Con in iso...nothing really stuck out for me as too terrible...why's he have so many votes?
One thing that struck me as peculiar was him saying nacho is more scummy town..than scummy scum...whats the difference there...??-
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Vi, this aint your first game with me...thats how i play especially if i fall behind in a thread and catch-up.Vi wrote: @Benmage: If you make another post like 190 youdeserveto die. Summary paragraphs make kids happy and rainbows appear in the sky even when it doesn't rain. Plus what you said is more sniping than defending.
What you mean by summary paragraphs? You dont like my quote/response/quote thing...
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This is gonna be a fun trend.Nachomamma8 wrote: If you don't answer my questions, do you honestly think I'm going to answer yours?
Wow!...Equal...equal!!! I'd yield that there's a chance of both...but an equal chance. geeze you'll say anything to make your point more believable. terrrrribad.Nachomamma8 wrote: There's anequalchance of both.
I was being comical...but your response makes me think your sweating....i likeNachomamma8 wrote:
The Third Vote Theory is only effective if the person placing the vote isn't aware of said theory. Also, if everyone were to buy into that, then no one would actually be lynched because everyone would be afraid of casting the third vote.(Ohh goodies, nacho was 3rd voter on me too )-
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Ohhh right right right... Quick synopsis.
I'd love to vote Nacho, because this whole exchange between me and him seems like a desperate attempt to push my lynch on "easy terms"...and its not workin out.
But my votes going to VPB...and i'll try to expand on this maybe later to help convince why, because right now its terrible reasoning. Well not bad, but bad in getting you all to lynch. Its based off a meta between me and her, and she just isn't playing at all how i'm use to (so clearly i think shes scum)...obviously meta is something only for me, so i'll try and expand on this later.
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Well than what from him reads town?ConfidAnon wrote:
Someone doing a scummy action does not neccessarily make that person scum. Town do scummy things, as do scum. To me, NM reads more as a townie who has done scummy things than actual scum trying to cover for his mistakes. The read can definitely change, but as of right now I think he's town.Benmage, 208 wrote:@Con can you explain further your interpretation of a 'scummy town' vs a 'scummy scum'.
Reading post 115 I dont see where I explicitly state this.. Please link or quote....Amished wrote: 115:You explicitly state that you can't condemn people on small things alone.Unfortunately, this is exactly what you do to CA; especially after seeing the reason that all of us had voted for him at the time. You went back and quoted the fact that it was a small thing that we all went against him for, but you decided to vote for him and do exactly what you thought was scummy previously.
Also pretty sure i said from beginning my vote was to see his response/hear his view on "scummy town vs scummy scum(clearly-er)" ...and was in no way the nail in the coffin, so stop pushing that false point.
(I cant believe i have to respond to this)Amished wrote: 127: "wtf" does nothing to express your opinion. I get the feeling you posted it for the sake of posting it (and it was right after I started attacking CA, and DJ attacked CA as well (hrm). It's a post that allows you to say it means whatever you want it to mean, while not advancing the game. Anti-town at best.
Lets see....omg, its so simple. It was in reference to post 126...the??? post right before it..i didnt understand the point or what dj was really doing, and i think i clarify so later.
Anti town …this case is awesome (massive sarcasm for those of you who cant read between the lines)
This is false...simply you can't use absolutes. Welcome to mafia. I understand you're trying to sound convincing, but this isn't a high school persuasive writing assignment. Just me alone as a sole person, based off my experience I can disagree. I read every line slowwwly as scum…as town i skim here and there occasionally (i try not too ) But my point was/is, as town i sometimes post without having my reference in front of me or writing in word or previewing or making sure everything is 100% perfect. As scum I do. And my point is i believe most people make sure everything is 100% perfect as scum, but might get lazy a little as town and rush something.Amished wrote: 133: Terrible WIFOM about scum try to play flawlessly. Everyone tries to play flawlessly as they can.
Do you disagree?
Uhm, wrong interpretation. Con didn’t reference someone wrongly, or quote some one else…he made his point, his belief, and it was a scummy one. He might not of believed it scummy…there was no error... just a scummy statement. Hence ze votes.Amished wrote: This relates to the CA vote: wouldn't scum be more likely to vote *for* CA for his comment rather than leave it be? Yet who did you suspect, the person who has been nitpicked upon. This does not look like a vote that should come from your perspective and opinion about what makes scum.
Terrible reasoning It was 3(it think 3) other people's reasoning..that i saw clearly when rereading...but sure only I had terrible reasoning. Please tunnel me more my wagon and your case rocks. (more sarcasm) (comments from 133...oh yeah those inaccurate interpretations)Amished wrote: 142: Terrible reasoning for your vote (especially with my comments towards 133).
Is this a point....is this really a point. Holy crap. I haven't read the posts following this but god do i hope someone who isnt tunneling me, or is good (because theres some good players in this game) have looked and read this, and nicely insulted or ridiculed you/this post. Of course I have general opinions. This doesn't suggest anything about not having a general opinion.Amished wrote: 165: It's the first part of this where you say you'll have to reread him in ISO. You generally should have an opinion on every player without having to read them; while your comment to reread in ISO sounds like you're gonna go look to see what you can find scummy now that somebody else has expressed suspicion on him.
Let me break this down for you: It is a town thing to do to read, and reread and re-reread, and than re-re-reread again. You learn so much and that is one of the better ways to scum hunt and find scummy things..you never catch everything the first time (yeah i just used an absolute) Especially if it concerns a certain or individual issue. I have a general idea, but i want to refresh my memory on said specifics.
Can you please start reading this thread. Becaus eyour case is evident that you dont. Vi complained about my posting style. I told her thats how i post in every game and she should know it because shes played with me a lot...in fact its how tons of players post..i dont know what she was really getting at, but throughout all the midsts of mafia and finding scum i jest a little here and there with people i play with.Amished wrote: Also, I *hate hate hate* 201. You should not feel it necessary to rely on another player for your defense. I have also played with you, Ben. So has VP Baltar. There might be others, but VP and I playing with you is something that I've seen directly.
So go find something of worth and come back because your case blows worse than the refs who missed that french soccer players obvious handball.
@Pork. Amished took a lot out of me. But “whats the difference” was me wanting him to explain it, not me not having a view on it. And my vote was to get him to explain things further? Good, or did I miss something you want explained further/revisited…its late here I am tired.-
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I told ya its a bad vote already lol, because its based solely on my eperience with VP.Sotty7 wrote:
Please do explain because to me it is looking a little like OMGUS.Benmage Post 205 wrote:But my votes going to VPB...and i'll try to expand on this maybe later to help convince why, because right now its terrible reasoning. Well not bad, but bad in getting you all to lynch. Its based off a meta between me and her, and she just isn't playing at all how i'm use to (so clearly i think shes scum)...obviously meta is something only for me, so i'll try and expand on this later.-
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Ahh ty. Maybe it was poor wording on my part that led to this confusion. But the minor things I was referring to was largely wifom arguments. As i tried to go on and explain later in the paragraph. This question was also a response to Nacho who asked if we should ignore scummy things. (humorous question, i know)Amished wrote:
Bolded mine. One line by CA was enough for you to vote for him.Benmage wrote:...
Next one: No you cant excuse scummy behavior,but you cant/shouldnt condemn people on minor things alone;usually...Things that are all wifom, would scum do this... would town do this etc etc crap like that. I've been in games where buddying, bussing, answering/defending questions geared toward another..things town, scum, just players do..and that was considered a case. Its sort've what I was referencing with that statement.
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The one line of Con's was vote worthy...again. He isnt hung, and my vote was to see his response/attain more information...i really dont see the issue or why so many have sprung on me.
His answer or statement in the representation of a list of possible answers, was really peculiar and pointless in my opinion..hence the 'wtf'...Amished wrote: {wtf}If you had been following along, you would know that DJ's 126 is what DJ thought of CA (explaining his vote)
Yes, but then i ask you something, for which i asked if you agreed or not. I can requote the question if you like.Amished wrote: {playing flawlessly}Obviously you're aware of this sort of meta in yourself, so you can subvert it at any time. More WIFOM.-
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I'd love to, but have been busy and always come back to this thread behind, spend all my time catching up, answering people and get burnt out.Vi wrote: Benmage, why the Veep-Beep vote? I can respect it on an intuitive level, and there are a number of nice reasons to vote him just based on this thread, but I would like for you to explain yourself.
Why didnt you ask this 4 pages ago..now i have to look back recall what i said, what i quoted what my thought at the time was *sigh*:VP Baltar wrote:
yer...and then your next post just quotes people talking about that post and features you saying:Benmage wrote:
Uhhh False....Here's my post reading Con's iso before reading the iso's of those voting him:VP Baltar wrote:
But the problem is that the line you attack him over, the line that everyone else attacked him over, doesn't need any context to appear scummy. If you were actually scumhunting on your own, it might have stood out to you. As it is, others had to point it out before you found it scummy.benmage wrote:dur...welcome to mafia...iso reads aren't nearly as good as rereading whole thread..reading the others isos put things in perspective..how can i interpret his answers without the questions...dunt dunt daaaaah
So, yeah, vote stays.
Benmage wrote:I read Con in iso...nothing really stuck out for me as too terrible...why's he have so many votes?
One thing that struck me as peculiar was him saying nacho is more scummy town..than scummy scum...whats the difference there...??
As if you hadn't realized it before.benmage wrote:Oooo tis a good point.
If you saw it before, as you are claiming, what happened between that post and your voting post to make you think the wagon was now voteworthy? As far as I can tell, it was simply the fact that others were voting there.
Reading amish’s view on it, another perspective even on the same issue I liked the part now underlined.Benmage wrote:
Oooo tis a good point.Amished wrote:
Pretty much sums it up. Why would you keep your random vote (that you've now talked about random votes have no meaning); instead of voting for somebody obviously scummy?ConfidAnon wrote:Right now, Nacho is obviously scummy . . . but not enough so that it warrants a vote from me yet.It's a sure sign of scum not wanting to vote for somebody(buddy, town, either way works; initially leaning towards town).-
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Word. First game i thought she was a he. The name seems masculine to me..than i saw the little pink symbol, and was like w.t.f.VP Baltar wrote:
I'm quite surprised at how confused the site has generally been me switching my gender icon. Interesting sociological experiment. Anyhow, I may have a penis and just switched it for another game I am currently in.Porkchop wrote:After playing in a couple of games together, I am just learning that VP is a woman. This does not bode well for my attention to detail.-
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Scum have guns too?? hmm..if 3 scum shoot, and we assume they have NK's aswell although maybe they dont...what by day 3 they can just blast the remainders alive and win...Vi wrote:Ectomancer: Everyone has a gun. I think that has been made rather apparent by now.
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VP Baltar's response doesn't do anything for me but solidify my previous read. Please kill him and add another scum game tohiscollection.
his!?!?her!
I dont have a good feeling about VPB this game..i'd have to reread ecto for a better read on him.
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Yes i made an obvious quote of urs Vi. That made me believe you had a gun, similar to mine which made me believe you to be town. I quoted you, but didnt say anything to show you i picked up on the slight crumb...if it was a crumb, did you see that?Vi wrote:
Actually, Amished obviously hinted at having one when talking about Benmage... and my response crumbed that I did too.Ectomancer 249 wrote:
Apparent by now being the operable phrase. Prior to don shooting you, it was apparent only that I had one.Vi wrote:Ectomancer: Everyone has a gun. I think that has been made rather apparent by now.
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Bull crap. I told you why i am most confident shes town, and feel even stronger about since your trigger happy move.don_johnson wrote:
anyone shooting me now, or pushing my lynch is going to be obvscum.
can you accurately make this call without vi's flip? i don't think so.bendovermage wrote:ecto, dj, or vpb seems good to use before death.
vote: benmage
I really dislike you're attempts at auto clearing yourself and desire to see vi's death to the end...when she flips town then what? We shoot you? Cool.-
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So we all fire, this spins into mayham.don_johnson wrote:
fire away, sally.Benmage wrote:
I really dislike you're attempts at auto clearing yourself and desire to see vi's death to the end...when she flips town then what? We shoot you? Cool.
daykill: benmage
You can actually only shoot once per day
let's see if that works.
Your quick trigger action, and attempt to than shoot me is laughable...You really think Vi and I are the scum.
Terrible.
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It is possible you could be the GF trying to entice and investigation.don_johnson wrote:^^ obvscum
(psst... i didn't really think it would work twice.)
please enlighten me as to the benefit scum would have for dayvigging on day 1? do you think i possess a "godfather" role that i would be so brazen as to fire in broad daylight? if you really think i'm scum, so much so that you are prepared to face the repercussions if i'm not, why don't you shoot me?
I dont get why you would vig vi, nor do I see why you think i'm scum. I dislike you avoiding using vi's vote who i think is town.
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Explain, oh mighty logic maker.Amished wrote:Oh come on, DJ is pretty obv town if you really claim to be town-aligned.
I mean your case on me was so amazing, I'd love to see why him killing vi was obvious town. I had a town read on vi.
(lotta sarcasm, on your case being good and all if you missed that..but still do explain why dj is obv town.)-
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Yeah whose to suggest what a scum PM looks like, plus hohums snip.Amished wrote:Oh, I dunno, how about rereading your (hypo) town PM and rereading hohum's last post. Also, I believe Vi said she was playing deliberately scummy this game, how did you happen to get a town read on her?
What of hohums last post? Me being a lead wagon..yeah that makes dj town. Most of the votes on me are really rather poor, even dare i say opportunistic.
And i havent shot dj, which shows some damn restraint. He might be town, as vi believes as well...but sometimes they gots to go for the greater good especially since well he wants me lynched (a bad move as i am town) and more over is willing to kill me (2nd shot attempt, and will undoubtedly try this again tomorrow)... So logically he should be lynched or shot, in just a self preservation manner, no? Not to mention I also believe it beneficial to the town...why me die, when a ?? can die.-
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I'm not looking at any alternative games. I've played in quite a few with VPB as scum and town, and in some ongoing... So its just my personal experience that this play is reminiscent of her scum and not her town...i dont plan on selling a meta argument the (case) will hopefully show her scumminess in this game alone.Amished wrote:Fine, Bm not BM. You're the only one that could be BM here.
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There might be somethings i rehash or reference to meta/my experience with VP as I said i'll try...why are you guys getting so hung up on this and expected so much of it... I said it was a bad vote.Amished wrote:Your 205 suggested to me that you were going to expand on your meta of VP.
You guys are tunneling on a nonissue, it'll come. Rehlax. Trust me i'm one of the more active here, its not like this will be forgotten, just give me a little time.-
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Okay heres a PBPA of VPB to help refresh my won memory and to maybe highlight some things and even perhaps reference something that caught my initial eye….les see how it goes:
0 confirming
1 RV
2/3 fluff on westerns
4 half fluff half dislike on d3’s vote on nacho and the following wagon.
5 answers a question
6 fluff
7 clarifies a mistake of mine
8 another clarifier
9 willing to vote ecto for stubbornness. Votes ConA for his “not voting obv scummy”
10 confirms vote
11 fluff
12 pointless question (?)
13 asks ConA questions on don, and scummy things from Nacho
14 defends the wagon and her vote on ConA. Had to quote this:
15 N/AVP Baltar wrote:cognitive dissonance coming from him is pretty outstanding.
16 votes me (no explanation)
17 poor explanation
18 explains further, disliking my wagon hoping. (didn’t she defend it(the wagon) in post 14, some in 10 and my vote was similar to her vote/point in 9 and the defense of 14…so I cant switch to a good wagon…ok??)
19 asks vi to vote me
20 defends points against ConA again, but wants to pursue me for my wagon hoping.
21 Now likes vote on me for me not being original in scum hunting but for finding out the flaw through rereading others. (really dislike this point)
22 As far as I can tell (since this is an iso and not intext) I think this was a misinterpretation of VPB’s that I already answered/clarified (feel free to correct me if I am wrong)
23 (Catch-up post) Doesn’t like amish 3rd party theory…wants don and con to participate more..jests a little...(overall not much substance)
24 asks for last words from Vi
25 thinks dj is town
26 defends dj
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So real quick conclusion. Her overall play is just really poor. Its reminiscent of a coaster style which just isn’t what I’m use to from VPB when shes town. Lots of fluff and useless posts which isn’t character-like of her at all. She’s usually quite good if not much better than this. Mafia 98, ongoing game. This games play is somewhat close to Mafia 91 where she lurked/played bad and was scum.
This game standing alone she hasn’t really contributed much to discussion or scum hunting. Shes asked a few questions here and there (nothing too inquisitive)…Shes tunneled me now for a few days on really poor premises even poorer now looking back. She defends the points against ConA and the wagon on it, yet questions me for joining the wagon on the same point…and also for attempting to achieve what I can assume a similar thing she desired from ConA…that is the point I quoted from iso 14….i wanted more from ConA on his comment, and his distancing from the whole thing was why I added my added pressure…something apparently VPB didn’t like…was this a Bus turned Chainsaw? Stay tuned to find out.
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