Newbie 870 - Game Over

[Nikanor]

/confirm. Heya Neto!

Some things you all might find useful:
A Newbie Guide
Commonly used abbreviations. This list is incomplete, so if you see something that is not on this list, feel free to ask me what it is.
Frequently Asked Questions. Pretty self-explanitory. I highly recommend reading this.

If you have any other questions, ask me in-thread. If it's something I can't answer, like a question about your role, pm the moderator.

[Nikanor]

Oh, and I'd appreciate if you all grabbed an avatar. It makes reading the game so much easier.

[Nikanor]

How about this:

@Mod: Karth is probably a flaker. Can we just start the game, and replace him if the need arises?

[Nikanor]

You can always ask for special exception, as well. The mods here are human, they can improvise.

[Nikanor]

Oh fine. :<
<-- Impatient.

[Nikanor]

Most mods would have started the game by now. I'm just impatient to get this game going, don't mind me....

[Nikanor]

This will be my first mafia game ever. I'm so eager to play that I'm trying to analyze the posts requesting to start/wait and see if they indicate scummy behaviour...

Your first lesson from the Nikanor:
Looking for scumtells is all well and good, but don't forget to look for town tells!
Looking for scumtells is useful, but when you have talented scum, they might not drop enough scumtells for you to catch on. This is when towntells come into play. In a three person lylo (lynch scum or lose) scenario, looking for towntells often makes the difference between winning and losing.

The alternative to this is called Texas Sharpshooting, where one ignores all the towntells and goes straight for the things that can make a person look scummy. This can be scummy if one person uses it repeatedly, especially now that I've told you all that it's scummy.

[Nikanor]

Personally, I find scumtells to be questionable mainly because experienced players know what to avoid doing to fit into the common one. However, this is a minority position.

You're just not looking for the right scumtells.

I'm looking forward to this.

Same here. It's good to see such enthusiastic newbies.

[Nikanor]

Oh, and in case you didn't know, the code for putting a person's name at the top of a quote is this:

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[quote="Nikanor"]What Nik said goes between the quote tags.[/quote]

It'll look like this:

What Nik said goes between the quote tags.

[Nikanor]

You guys use some pretty different rules though.

Yeah, so I've heard. The most common complaints I hear are:
-Days are too long.
-Can't talk in-topic during the night phase.
-No outside communication.
-The game starts in the day phase as opposed to the night phase.
-Half votes needed to lynch at deadline (I personally don't use this rule in the games I mod, but some people like it).

Honestly, I think the rules we have here are the best, simply because these rules have been hammered out by literally thousands of games over the six years this site has been active.

[Nikanor]

Really? Most people like night start because it makes more sense story-wise. (How do we know there are mafia about if nobody's dead?!)

[Nikanor]

Vote: ace5993

for using a PSP. Don't you know those things cause cancer?!

[Nikanor]

We have plenty of time to discuss, there's no need to rush.

I can't think of any questions at the moment.

Orly?

Unvote. Vote: chauchaudotcom.

[Nikanor]

1) I think like a kitten: playful most of the time, but I can be serious if the need arises.
2) This just opens the door to a whole mess of WIFOM. I'm not answering this, and I suggest no one else does, either.
3) I first played mafia on this website. Since then, I've played mafia on IRC and face-to-face.
4) Clairvoyance. But seriously, the ability to see things clearly is a great asset.
5) Fourty-two.
6) Mafia is like excercising the mind. That, and I was bored.
7) I'm not giving you a strategy for how to survive endgame, Neto. This is a very scummy question. I don't know how in the world this would help you if you are town.

Unvote. Vote: Netopalis.

[Nikanor]

ace: The point of the game is to probe others to get reads and whatnot. The series of questions Neto just asked is Newbie Game standard operating procedure. Well, most of the questions, anyway.

[Nikanor]

In re: Question 7, I'm trying to do two things. 1) I want to see how the new players think about their suspicions and 2) I want to make them consider why they suspect people. I will play the same either way in my normal obsessive-compulsive posting style.

1) That's not how the question looks to me. I see subtext: 'Would you rather lynch a lurker or an active player? Is it alright if I lurk?'
2) The decision you gave was between an active player and a lurky player, all other factors controlled. How is it not a question of, 'Will you lynch the leader or the lurker?'

[Nikanor]

In that case, I think it is best that the question be left as a statement,
'Beware voting for someone who is a leader just because they have said more scummy things. It's likely that the lurker has said more scummy things per post as compared to the leader.'
I don't think that question seven is a good question to answer, since it gives scum an unnecessary amount of information.
Do you agree?

[Nikanor]

In some cases, hiding information is not a bad thing. By telling everyone which you'd attack in endgame, you're basically telling the scum who to leave alive based on how they're playing. Then, you open up a can of WIFOM when you come back to this question in lylo and ask, 'Is this the reason I'm still alive?'
Remember that by posting thoughts in-topic, you're not only sharing your thoughts with town, but also allowing scum access to your thoughts. It's for this reason that we don't speculate on nightkills. It only gives scum information on who to kill and who to keep alive, and inevitably leads to anti-town WIFOM.

[Nikanor]

Anything to add bn?

[Nikanor]

Original Roll String: 1d9

1 9-Sided Dice: (4) = 4

[Nikanor]

Vote: tokillablockingnerd.
(Just kidding).

[Nikanor]

Well, I should probably let you know that, as per the rules of the site (as I understand them), we cannot mislead you as to any facts regarding gameplay mechanics or generally accepted rules of site behavior. Generally, the aim of the newbie games is to let you folks learn, so ICs and SEs generally are more helpful than they would be in a regular game.

That being said, we're still going to play it to win. Just know that when we say something broad about gameplay mechanics, we're not going to lie to you about that. Probability dictates that at least one SE or IC will most likely be mafia, although this is not an ironclad rule, as all roles are randomized together. You should still be suspicious of our actions.

This.

Sorry karth!

I'd go for the Doctor first, then the Cop, then the Vanillas. The Doctor is easily the most powerful role.

Actually, the cop is the most powerful role because it gives mod-confirmed alignments. The doc is the most powerful role if you play so that the doctor's protect is named upon a successful save, but we don't play like that on this particular site.
In other news, this looks like a roleblocker slip, but there are other explanations for that, so I'll just tuck it away in my notes for future reference....

[Nikanor]

do you make notes about players?

I have an amazing memory for small details, so I don't feel the need to take notes. Other players do take notes, however. It's up to you really. Taking notes would be better, since that way you don't forget about your gambits/traps/whatever. Again, personal preference.

can you offer any tips for deduing who is scum?

Gut is a valuable asset to any scumhunter.
Other than that, look for inconsistencies. Remember that the scum only have to do one thing to win: survive to endgame. To do that, they need to a) lynch town players, b) appear to scumhunt, c) defend their buddy, and d) hunt for power roles (rolefish).
The best way to find scum would probably be to look at voting patterns. Who jumped on whose bandwagon when? If a bandwagon starts and a whole bunch of people jump on right away, it's likely that person is town and that at least one of the wagonners is scum. I'll teach you more about wagon analysis tomorrow, assuming I'm still alive.
Other than that, just look for things that scum do that town wouldn't. *Shrug* Experience plays a big part, since catching scum often requires you to pick up on subtleties that most new players would miss.

Nikanor are u saying u think BV is a mafia roleblocker? and how did you reach this.

He assumed that both the doc and cop are in the game. He would have this information only if he is mafia, and if the mafia has a roleblocker.

[Nikanor]

Oh, and I haven't read the walls of text yet. I'll get to that tomorrow.

[Nikanor]

Then post them.
Myself, I've been swamped with work and school. I promise to be caught up tomorrow.

[Nikanor]

Either way, this was the first post anybody made that drew attention to themselves

Do you think mafia would rather draw attention to themselves or hang back?

However, I'm more suspicious of the fast wagon that has grown up around him.

The fast wagon? You mean the one vote on him from ace?

In general, scum attack the wagon more, TKABN is just trying to argue for why the arguments against him are crap.

You mean the way he's attacking ace, the only guy with a vote on him?

I've got my eye on Ace, as he seems a bit opportunistic with jumping on suspicions already in place. It's a very light tell.

ace's vote on TKaBN was the first suspicion on TKaBN, iirc. I don't know from where you're getting 'opportunistic.'

Personally, I agree that ToKillaBlockingNerd is a bit suspicious.

Then why are you defending him?

Isn't it a little early in the game to be associating scum buddies? We should focus on catching one scum first.

Yes, but catching connections between players is a help when it comes to catching scum.
For example, Neto is defending TKaBN with crappy reasoning. Neto even goes so far as to call TKaBN suspicious before defending him. Why is Neto defending someone he finds suspicious? Scumbuddies would be my first guess. Scum defending someone they know is townie also comes to mind. If Neto knows TKaBN is town, he would see TKaBN as a future lynch; he doesn't want to call him town, because then Neto won't be able to justify a vote on TKaBN. But at the same time, Neto would want to defend TKaBN to get cheap townie points when TKaBN flips town.
Also, ace is pretty quick to call Brock 'cleared' in his eyes, just because of one post. I see scum doing this to town more than scum doing it to scum, because declaring someone as town can seem pro-town.
Understand?

[Nikanor]

I also don't like how you set up a situation whereby if TKABN flips town, I'm scum, but if he flips scum, I'm scum.

What I'm saying is that no matter what TKaBN flips, you're scummy for defending him.

[Nikanor]

Essentially, the action of defending another player should not be considered scummy in and of itself.

It's scummy to defend someone you explicitly say is scummy in the same post.

[Nikanor]

Neto, you said he was scummy in one sentence, then defended him in the next. I'm not talking about voting at all.

[Nikanor]

Have you ever heard of fencesitting?

[Nikanor]

1) fencesitting (I'm guessing that its having reasons to believe someone is both town and scum, and then being right in any case)

Fencesitting is giving a neutral read on players so that you don't have to take a stance. It's often done by scum when asked his thoughts on players, but when the scum doesn't want to take a stance because it means he'd have to provide evidence.

2) flipping. Is it "what you turn out to be after death/endgame"?

Flipping is your alignment as revealed by your death scene.

[Nikanor]

I really don't understand the ace wagon. I'd bet money that there's at least one scum on that there wagon.

Unvote. Vote: Tokillablockingnerd.

[Nikanor]

Is everyone still on V/LA?
(Stupid American Thanksgiving.... *grumbles*)

[Nikanor]

Who do you think is scum, chau?

[Nikanor]

<Insert copy-pasting of apologies for inactivity>

Work has been killing me with long hours. I'll get to posting something useful soon.

[Nikanor]

Okay, I am....
CAUGHT UP~
Posting now.

[Nikanor]

Okay, here we are, a list o' suspicions!

Town:
chauchau - Just looking at her posts, I get a very pro-town vibe from them.
Brock - His reaction to the 'Posting is scummy,' misinterpretation gives me town vibes. Seems more like pouty (for lack of a better word) town than frustrated scum.
ace - I still don't see the case against him. He's been consistent (which is a conditional towntell) and open.

Scum:
TKaBN - I've outlined why he's scummy.
Netopalis - Probably scum with TKaBN. I still see no reason for why Neto defended TKaBN.

Lurking:
billybailey - Lists everyone as town; is non-confrontational, which is a scumtell. billy is at the top of the lurker list in terms of scumminess.
brothernature - Second on the scummy lurker list, bn has no reason to not post something substantial after his week-long V/LA.
kirby - I keep forgetting about this guy. That's a bad thing. He hasn't exhibited any scumtells yet, but that may be because he's lurking

@chau: I voted for TKaBN instead of Brock because of what I said in my long post with the analysis of Neto's defense of TKaBN.

[Nikanor]

@Mod: Fix color tags pleaaaaase? *bats eyelashes*

Your wish is my command.

[Nikanor]

He could be the second scum, taking advantage of the votes against me.

TKaBN, I had one of the first votes on you. Don't give me that bandwagon crap.

Neto. It's not scummy to defend someone who you think is town. I'm not trying to make it look that way. However, you VERY EXPLICITLY said IN THE SAME PARAGRAPH that YOU THOUGHT HE WAS SCUMMY.

First sentence:

I agree that ToKillaBlockingNerd is a bit suspicious.

Second sentence:
<<Neto defends TKaBN.>>

This is from post 131, just in case anyone wants to look it up for themselves.

[Nikanor]

Wait, what?

[Nikanor]

I believe you used the exact same reason to vote against me didnt you? (a wagon against ace, in which I had the first non-random vote)

My reason for voting you wasn't just the ace wagon. Your reason for calling me suspicious is that I'm voting you. Also, what ace said.

a townie lynch is better than a no lynch on Day 1.

Actually, no it isn't. If you think someone is town (and I mean 99% sure), you should be doing everything you can do to derail the bandwagon on that person, even if it means a nolynch. To not do so is borderline scummy, and would be more scummy if the site meta wasn't 'Avoid a nolynch at all costs.'

[Nikanor]

chauchau, if you were a daykilling vigilante, who would you kill right now?

[Nikanor]

I myself am guilty of suspecting tokill but defending him.

Other than this post, where?

[Nikanor]

Crap. Wait. Just saw that the deadlines not until next week. My bad.

So your excuse is invalid. Any other reason for why you didn't change your vote?

[Nikanor]

@chauchau: Killing one of the lurkers is probably the best idea. Kill/inspect the lurkers, save the active ones for the noose. I would probably kill billy, though. His lurking is making me think he is scum.

[Nikanor]

what do you mean save the active ones for the noose?

If we had a vig, we'd vig the lurkers and lynch the active people, since active people are easier to get a read on and result in a more accurate lynch.
And when I said I'd kill billy, I was talking about who I'd kill if I was a dayvig, not that I wanted to lynch him. Only fair to give my own opinion on something I asked you, eh?
About your defense of TKaBN, it's actually justified. You don't contradict yourself by calling him scummy while in the same breath defending him. You say you don't understand the case against TKaBN. Neto is saying that while TKaBN is scummy, the people attacking him are scummy as well. Also,

Personally, I agree that ToKillaBlockingNerd is a bit suspicious. However, I'm more suspicious of the fast wagon that has grown up around him.

In general, scum attack the wagon

*Nods* I agree that scum like to attack the wagon.

[Nikanor]

Didn't you attack the ace wagon as well?

That was just a snarky comment. I don't actually think that scum like to attack bandwagons. In fact, wagon analysis is town's best weapon in finding scum. Those words you quoted were only meant to help me use Neto's words against him.

What I'm wondering is why Neto hasn't drawn more attention to the fact that TKaBN's analysis was really an attack against everyone on his wagon, especially when Neto seems to find wagon-attackers suspicious.

[Nikanor]

So yeah, I'm still here. It's late, though. Too late to start a TKaBN iso. It'll come tomorrow though, no worries.

[Nikanor]

Another Nik? Great. :S
Anyway, don't make excuses for not reading the thread. There's only a couple walls of text, so it's a light read.

About my TKaBN vote....
I just re-read TKaBN's posts in isolation, and I can't find anything really all that scummy about him (aside from the OMGUSing). I forgot about the case he made against ace, and it's not scummy (I don't agree that the things he points out are scumtells, but he's a newbie, so meh). I was thinking that his lurking while so close to a lynch was scummy, but I see that back at the beginning of the game he said something about being V/LA over weekends, so that's a nulltell.
That said, I'm still sticking to my Neto+TKaBN scumteam theory. I'd rather lynch Neto, but seeing as how nobody else wants to lynch him, I'll settle with TKaBN.

About the Brock wagon, I really don't see any merit in it (see my conclusion on Brock's behaviour in my stances post). I'd switch over for a deadline lynch, since I'm not 100% convinced he's town, but I'm confident enough in his townieness that I don't want to see him lynched today.

[Nikanor]

You just don't drop it, do you? Your entire case against me is built on what, my one-line statement that his actions could just be newbie-town instead of scum

You expect me to drop scummy things?
And that's not what I'm calling you suspicious for. But this horse is already beaten to death. I'm not going to distract everyone else by arguing the same thing with you ad nauseum. I'm willing to lynch you based upon that one post. That's all I'm going to say.

[Nikanor]

The crap? How is showing frustration over this scummy?

I never said your rustration was scummy. By 'that one post,' I meant the post we've been arguing about for the whole bloody game.
The only reason for why I don't want to argue this any longer is because I've seen games drowned under an argument between two players. I don't want to see that happen to this game, so I'm going to stop this argument right now by saying my point is made to the other players. If you want to continue to argue in your defense, that's fine, but I'm not going to bother arguing with you over that one point for any longer.

[Nikanor]

Neto, why aren't you voting?

[Nikanor]

Why did you think this? Why did you change gears so suddenly [heavy questioning of Netopalis, whom you made a good point about, and then a TKaBN vote]? Why did you target TKaBN rather than Brothernature or bv310?

Because I don't want to succumb to tunneling on one person for the rest of this game?

Also, how many people are we planning on driving up to claim today? Can we please just stick to one person and lynch him? I'm looking at Neto here, who has switched his votes around after asking TKaBN to claim at L-2 earlier today.

[Nikanor]

Sounds good to me.

Unvote. Vote: Netopalis.

[Nikanor]

If possible, I'd like for us to not push another person to claim. However, since the TKaBN lynch simply isn't happening today, I'm happy with running Neto up to claim.

Also, deadline's in two days. Some more activity might be warranted.

[Nikanor]

Seriously Neto? You're the one who put a second vote on Brock even though TKaBN was at L-2 already. Are you f*cking kidding me? The only reason for why you don't like this wagon is because it's on yourself.

@Everyone: Lynch Neto now please.

[Nikanor]

Why did you target TKaBN rather than Brothernature or bv310?

bn has been gone the whole game, so I wouldn't have gotten anything from that vote.
I still don't see why Brock is considered scummy by most people; I was leaning slightly town on him at that point, and still am.

P.S. I'm not hammering Brock, even if it comes down to a possible no-lynch. I just don't see Brock flipping anything other than town. Heckle me about this all you like, I'm not hammering someone I think is going to flip town.

[Nikanor]

I don't think you're actually allowed to post anything but a contentless 'Bah' post, but it's not like the mod can do anything about it now. We'll keep it in mind.

[Nikanor]

What changed your viewpoint [specifically]?

If you mean, 'Why weren't you willing to hammer Brock at deadline,' the answer is that I still don't know why he was lynched. It wasn't a very good wagon, and I fail to see why you all seemed to think he was scum.
Busy day today. I might post later, who knows.

[Nikanor]

Sorry folks, I was busier than expected (moving from house to house while working is tough. :/) Catching up and rereading now.

[Nikanor]

Done reading yet, Nikanor?

No.
Off to work soon, hopefully I can get something useful done tonight/tomorrow.

[Nikanor]

Nikanor! Do you realize that you've posted nearly 0 content in about a week?

Yes, I do, and I realize I'm a crappy IC for it. I'm catching up now, though.

[Nikanor]

SorrySorrySorrySorrySorrySorrySorrySorrySorrySorrySorrySorry

Lack of computer access over the Christmas days is what I had.

[Nikanor]

I was about 50% sure chauchau was a cop, but I mistakenly decided to just call her a town read and leave it at that. Had I been playing cleverly, I would have tried to draw suspicion to her, though not enough for a lynch obviously. I believe Nika went the extra step and this is why I believe him to be a townie.

Actually, I had no idea that chauchau was the cop. I was just keeping my eyes open and being flexible with my suspicions, so that I didn't get blindsided by scum who I thought was town.

I'll post more tomorrow, just posting this so that I don't feel as much like a dick as I do right now (for not being able to be as active as I'd like).
Hooray for self-gratification!

[Nikanor]

Okay, here we go. #s are post numbers.

#50, by Neto, the first post worth commenting on. I still find question seven scummy, and the rest are meh. There's nothing that hasn't been said about this, so I'll move along.

#52, ace asks if answering the questions would be 'a tad revealing'. A bit scummy, but probably more a newbie tell than anything.

#55, Neto defends his questions by assuring me he'll act the same no matter what our answers to question seven. A bit scummy, since he's still subtly pushing us to answer the questions, even though I've given what I think are good reasons to leave the question unanswered.

#57, Neto again assures me he won't change based on my answer. #59 and #61 are pretty much the same thing; Neto assures me his intentions were honest.

#62, brothernature pretty much ignores everything important. He's read the thread, since he makes a reference to my vote on ace, but he doesn't say anything about Neto's questions until #64, after I question him about it. When he does say something about them, he refuses to answer all the questions because some of them could lead him into a trap by scum, which is an understandable conclusion, but it doesn't mean he shouldn't answer at least the ones he doesn't think are traps.

#65, TKaBN answers Neto's questions. He seems to have no problem answering question two, which is scummy because it looks like he has no fear of the WIFOM or traps or whatever that might ensue from answering the question. He also suggests random lynching, which I think is more of a newbtell than anything else.

#66, Brock answers Neto's questions, then votes Neto. Not much to read into here, knowing Brock is town.

#67, TKaBN says he realises his answer to question two was the obvious choice. It looks like he realises he shouldn't have answered question two, and is now backtracking. Scummy.

#68, Neto tries to pull off saying that because what he said is logical, it is not scummy. This is not true, and I'd expect Neto to know that it is not true. This is a scummy post.

#69-#72 is Neto teaching TKaBN how to quote.

#73, ace answers Neto's questions, and also answers question two. Same thing applies to ace here as applied to TKaBN. ace also goes to address TKaBN's random lynch suggestion, but doesn't call him scummy for it, which I think is town (he's not jumping on something which could be interpreted as a scummy move). In #75, Neto does the same thing, so the same thing applies to him. However, I think ace slips up here:

2 out of the 7 being mafia.

I've seen this slip before. I'll provide an example if you want it, but I don't feel like digging it up at the moment. The basis of the slip is that ace is thinking about the town only and excluding himself and his scumbuddy, and that's why he puts down seven instead of nine.

#78, ace claims he was 'jumbled up.' I beleive him, but probably not for the reason he's trying to claim.

I'll favor random questions instead of random voting then.

But random votes are so much more fun....

#81, billybailey comes in by answering Neto's questions, then makes a random vote. Doing only what is required of you is a scum tell, so this post is scummy. He also answers question two pretty seriously, which is scummy.

#86, kirby answers Neto's questions. He answers question two the most seriously of all, and thus has the scummiest answer. He also answers question seven, which is scummy. Finally, he plays the newbcard on himself, which is pretty scummy.

#88, Brock answers question seven. Meh.

#89, chauchau answers the questions. She also answers questions two and seven. Maybe I'm putting too much stock into this tell? chauchau also makes several good points here. I already know her alignment, but this is still a town post.

I actually like #91 by Neto. He gives good justification for voting Brock, and answers his own questions. He gives neutral/borderline reads on everyone, which is scummy, but forgivable at this stage of the game.

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I'm starting to lose focus at this point, and I have to work tonight, so I'll leave off here. I'll work on this some more tomorrow.

[Nikanor]

On a scale of 1-10, 10 being highest, how much effort would you say you put into preventing Brock's [whom you firmly believed was Town] lynch?

I'd say about a seven. I was pushing for Neto's lynch for half the day while calling Brock town, which is pretty much all I can do. I could have pushed a little harder against Brock's lynch, I think, but, well, I can't change the past. :/

Nikanor, I meant: What made you go from "I may lynch Brock at deadline" to "I refuse to lynch Brock at deadline"?

Well, what you call 'gut reads' are actually pretty strong town-tells in my book. I've seen townies behave like Brock time and time again, while scum usually try to logic their way out of a lynch. It's harder to fake emotion than it is to fake logic, even on a forum.

[Nikanor]

It's hard to read the posts, cause we're having a slight storm here and it makes my connection hazzy.

That's one freak weather pattern. A storm that goes on for a week? Impressive.

[Nikanor]

Sorry guys, my internet is dead. I'm posting from a cafe right now before I head to work. The cable guy is coming around on Monday, so I hope for it to be fixed by Tuesday.

[Nikanor]

Holy crap, deadline already? I've got about two hours before I have to leave this cafe, so I'll try to get a vote down by then.

ace, why don't you just post that list or whatever you've been promising? Does it really need to wait for Nikola?

[Nikanor]

Navy, why do you think Nikola is scummy? Lurking under pressure is scummy, I agree, but in your list you put Nikola as 'mafia read,' while you didn't actually say that he was scummy anywhere else in that post. Sure, you had some information (that he avoided reading the thread), but no analysis. I don't know how you can get such a strong read on him with so little information.
Basically, I'm accusing you of knowing too much.

[Nikanor]

ace, if you don't post that list by the end of today, I will never forgive you. You know that it's deadline, yet you don't post anything of content. Are you still satisfied with your vote on TKaBN? Why or why not?

[Nikanor]

And of course, his avoidance of the thread is my main reason. I admit that it isn't a real heavy case, but I feel like it is the best shot we have this close.

That's my reason, too. However, you posted your list on the 27th, and Nikola claimed V/LA on the 25th, so I don't see how you would get 'avoiding the thread' from that.

Vote: NikolaSama.

Nikola is a neutral leaning scummy read to me at the moment, so I have no qualms about lynching him at deadline. If he flips town, though, I suggest everyone keep an eye on Navy tomorrow.

I think we should just get Nikola off.

This in particular looks like the push for a deadline apathy lynch on a townie.

[Nikanor]

Yeah, I'm a shitty IC. Don't worry, I won't be doing it again. And yeah, I'll be doing better tomorrow.
*Obligatory comments about lylo being tomorrow, not today*

[Nikanor]

Definitely a lynch possibity for tommorow.

1) Why not today?
2) In your last post you implied that you still thought I was town ('my views on Neto, Nika, and TKaBN I have outlined clearly already'). Why does it change when you post the second part of your post? I see inconsistencies.

[Nikanor]

You're escaping not due to anybody thinking you're town, but due to the simple fact that we have no time to switch over.

Escaping? It is no escape to continue to live in this hell, killing each other off in the hopes that we'll get to live another night. No... death, now that's true escape.

I'd ask that if you don't have time to catch up tomorrow, please replace out.

I'll be fully operational come Wednesday, do not you worry.

[Nikanor]

Well, I'm at a loss for words. That seemed to me more of another apathy lynch than anything else, and I can't say I actually expected him to flip scum.

That said, while Neto has been a suspect of mine for a while (who am I kidding; I've been tunneling on him the entire game), his vote on Nikola looks genuine, i.e. I don't think it's bussing.
Based on that, I'm starting to think that Neto is town. Add that to the fact that I have town reads on ace and Navy, and you get:

Vote: SeerPenguin.

There's only one scum left, and I really can't think of a better lynch than one of a guy who lurked all through the day that scum was lynched.

[Nikanor]

I think we should wait for him to say something before we all leap on a quick wagon. Your eagerness to lynch someone before his replacement has gotten a word in is suspicious to me indeed.

a) He has had lots of words in.
b) His role pm is the same as TKaBN's. I don't see any reason to give him a 'replacement halo.'
c) Where is everyone?

[Nikanor]

ace, if someone were to hammer the Pengu now, what would you think about that person?
Also, I thought we had already gone over why this WIFOM is bad.

[Nikanor]

Seer, how do you know me? Just curious.
Sorry about the contentless post, but I just got off a ten hour shift at work and do not have the energy to pull post numbers to defend myself. I'll be posting something useful tomorrow (hopefully).

[Nikanor]

Sorry guys. I have the entire week off, but weekends are hell for me, since that's all I seem to be working lately.

[Nikanor]

Go for it, Neto. File a complaint. I've already said I'm not going to be ICing any more games, since I don't have the time for it, but go ahead and file it anyway. I don't really care. It will only be making official a personal restraint I've placed upon myself.
As it stands, though, I'm going to ignore/minimally participate in my other games until I can figure this game out. Despite what may look like apathy, I do want to salvage a win, even if I can't salvage my reputation.
But now I have to leave for work. D:
See y'all in ~12 hours.

[Nikanor]

What? Do you expect me to be online all day every day, Neto?
That said, I don't like how you came out at the beginning of the day playing the white knight. I'm referring to your first post of today.

Navy, Nikanor, I want an explanation for this. It had better be good.

Did you realize when you wrote this the impression it would give, Neto?

Navy, what do you plan on doing today? Why did you do nothing but answer Neto's question in your post 557?

[Nikanor]

I'd still like an answer to my question, Neto.

[Nikanor]

Did you realize when you wrote this the impression it would give, Neto?

This.

Also, when I was in the shower this morning, I thought of something. Seer thought Navy was suspicious. A possibility is that Navy hammered Seer because Navy didn't want to give Seer the chance to out him as scum. What do you think, Neto?

[Nikanor]

Navy, ou es toi?
For the non-Francophones in the audience:
Navy, get in here and say something.

[Nikanor]

Vote: NavyCherub.

Navy, if you were going to vote me with such little reasoning, why didn't you do it earlier in the day? Why wait?

[Nikanor]

Yup, congratulations. If I were you, I would have quickhammered me as soon as Navy placed his vote. But then again, I know I'm scum, so maybe it's not as obvious to you as it is to me.

[Nikanor]

And then he killed me. RAAAAAGE.

Of course I killed you. I can't believe nobody caught on to the fact that I was the only one with any motivation at all to kill you. :/