And no matter what, carrot top won this game since he was a jester: sorry Neto
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Yeah, but I have yet to see a scum faction in any game over 4 people...if there is 6 or 7 as you say, I would think ti would be spread out over 2 factions, don't ya think? I personally joined this game for two reasons: I have played with quite a few of the people and I thought it would be an easy win in the books as town or an interesting game as scum with the difference in way scum wins...so I disagree that its easier for scum to win and expect this to be an easy win in the booksYosarian2 wrote:Hello, everyone. No vote right now.
On a side note, this is probably pretty obvious, but it's probably a good idea for people to not talk about their "lists" in thread at this point, since making that information public just makes it easier for scum to manipulate the game through nightkills (IE: killing someone who has a scum on top of their list to get their votes themselves, or if that's too obvious, killing someone to increase the voting power of their "pet townie".)
Talking about strategy, that whole "mafia win if they control half the votes" thing is also kind of scary, in the rules. If things go badly, town could lose really, really early because of that; say 25% of the people in the game is scum, which would make 6 people. That means scum control 6 votes out of 25 on day 1 (25 because of the double voter.)
That means that if the 7 townies die, or the double voter and 5 other townies die, and if the scum get control of all those votes, the scum end up with 13 votes. Which means that town could lose as early as day 3; even sooner if there's more then one kill a night.
I guess the best way to avoid that might be to try and keep our votes spread out, at least until we have a confirmed innocent to give them to; we don't want to put all our votes into one giant stack-of-doom and then have that person either be scum or accidentally give it all to a scum when they die. So if you see someone having control of a bunch of votes, you might want to move someone else to the top of your list. (Again, though, don't tell us when you do it).
Meta and random are the only choices right now...I will act later on the info we gain in these 5 daystatetothetot wrote:For starters, I don't like Yos' post. Most of that is fairly standard stuff and doesn't seem necessary to post. I can only assume it was done because he wanted to seem more pro town to gain votes. Not something I can go off of right now, but I will not be voting for Yos to receive the double vote.
Seeing as what we are going for here is to find at least one unanimous person that we can consider town, I suggest we don't random vote it. I don't know very many people on the player list but for those of you who do know, please don't go off meta. If anything, a good player is not who should receive the vote because a good scum player with a double vote does not balance out a good town player with a double vote, imo.
Thoughts so far?
I unvoted without contributing because u guys won't let me catch up...everytime I get close to finishing the thread, there are 2 more pages...holy crapDr Pepper wrote:Things I find ScummyThings I find Weird
- raider Archon wanting hp[leaves] as mayor for using dice
- tate's further reaction to Yosarian2
- tate's patronizing of the other players
- tate's defeatism
- Gayle getting creeped out by Yosarian2
- Cry unvoting without contributing
- viking implying that FOS are currently useless
- hp jumping on the strongest bandwagon
Things I find Townie
- Ray faking a daykill to get reactions
Conclusions
- Ray's correct identification of the dice random voters
- Netopalis analysis of the NO YOS MAYOR paranoia
- Yos warning the town it could lose by Day 3
- tate is prob scum
- My vote on Yos stays
To which I experienced firsthandGayle wrote:RayFrost's patented "Hammer out of Nowhere" technique.RayFrost wrote:unvote, vote: yos2
Explanation:Vote: tatetothetot
This is a lame reason, and I understand, most of us didn't have great reasons at first...this was page 2 and early...lets move on, shall we?You, mainly because of this:
tatetothetot wrote:
For starters, I don't like Yos' post. Most of that is fairly standard stuff and doesn't seem necessary to post. I can only assume it was done because he wanted to seem more pro town to gain votes. Not something I can go off of right now, but I will not be voting for Yos to receive the double vote.
Due to the fact that you had the exact same mindset while reading that post of his.
This post I absolutely hate, he is clearly buddying with tate and doesn't explain his reason for not like Yos...And especially now that tate flipped scum, this is a HUGE red flag in my mind...though I have misunderstood jokes to be serious in the past, I see no joke in this at all...And the fact that tate doesn't respond to this at all, makes it more scummish IMO...even if it was a joke, you would expect his opinion to change with new info...we'll see...Next post...Less voting Yosarian2 for being smart and more voting tatetothetot for being town please.
This is great...except for the fact that this was his last post...he never provides any "read" for us...and if his vote for tate and push for tate was a joke, he doesn't indicate this by changing his vote...and he never indicates that he voted for tate based on playing with him in a previous game and liking his play...This is before I've read anything since the day started, but till I read that...Oh hi. No school/work tomorrow due to family day so expect a read/post from me.
EBWOP: The last part under my vote was from the "This is great...except..." part...I thought I had already typed that but I guess I lost it...lolCryMeARiver wrote:Wow...strategies often fail...Ok, I'm gonna come straight, I'm usually rather active on the site, the reason I wasn't active during the double vote session is because I'm still rather new to the site and didn't feel I could handle the responsibility of multiple votes early in the game...kinda curious how this blew up in my face, but thanks for the multiple votes I guess! Thanks for painting a target on my back tate!
Ok, analysis of night...
3 deaths = 2 scum teams and a third party or 3 scum teams...never come across 3 scum teams, not sure how often this could actually happen...it usually helps when the mod posts how they died to keep track throughout the game...I was hoping a doctor would find the sense to protect Yos since we trusted him with out double vote, but either this didn't happen or the mafia/3rd party has some kind of power to go through the protections (is there a antitown role like that?) Interesting that Tate left his vote for me...perhaps because I placed my vote on the double vote on him and he's trying to frame me? Not sure, there is so much WIFOM in the reasoning of the will
ZEEnon is definitely my #1 candidate for a lynch right now...Lets run through his posts, shall we?
Explanation:Vote: tatetothetotThis is a lame reason, and I understand, most of us didn't have great reasons at first...this was page 2 and early...lets move on, shall we?You, mainly because of this:
tatetothetot wrote:
For starters, I don't like Yos' post. Most of that is fairly standard stuff and doesn't seem necessary to post. I can only assume it was done because he wanted to seem more pro town to gain votes. Not something I can go off of right now, but I will not be voting for Yos to receive the double vote.
Due to the fact that you had the exact same mindset while reading that post of his.This post I absolutely hate, he is clearly buddying with tate and doesn't explain his reason for not like Yos...And especially now that tate flipped scum, this is a HUGE red flag in my mind...though I have misunderstood jokes to be serious in the past, I see no joke in this at all...And the fact that tate doesn't respond to this at all, makes it more scummish IMO...even if it was a joke, you would expect his opinion to change with new info...we'll see...Next post...Less voting Yosarian2 for being smart and more voting tatetothetot for being town please.This is great...except for the fact that this was his last post...he never provides any "read" for us...and if his vote for tate and push for tate was a joke, he doesn't indicate this by changing his vote...and he never indicates that he voted for tate based on playing with him in a previous game and liking his play...This is before I've read anything since the day started, but till I read that...Oh hi. No school/work tomorrow due to family day so expect a read/post from me.
Vote: ZEEnon
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I agree with that statement completely, its too dangerousraider8169 wrote: @Everyone, I would really rather not a bulk of our votes land upon one person can everyone make sure their votes are not set to go to Crymeariver and Netopalis if you happen to die. I would also like to hear other peoples thoughts on this.
Netopalis wrote: Incidentally, we should all be aware of the probability of multiple scumgroups. Note that Tate was listed as Egyptian mafia.
raider wrote:Interesting Theory defiantly worth talking about. If I was scum I am not sure what I would do. Passing it to a scum buddy this early would be risky as everyone would know who it was passed to and that would draw unwanted attention. Also I am sure scum would love to control as many votes as they can.
DocPotter wrote:Well, the Egyption thing and three NK's kinda sound like two groups.
Netopalis wrote:Analyzing who scum gave votes to is a bit too WIFOMy for my tastes....
That's completely possible and makes total sense...they would hope I slip up or something and give them back even more votes...hopefully I don't!Socrates wrote:(Another strategy the scum could use, btw, is to give it to someone with bad reads and/or a scummy player in the hopes that the vote will eventually find their way back to them. Looking at Cry's join date, that might be the strategy here. No offense to Cry.)
DocPotter wrote:I'm not sure there could be an SK in this game due to the win conditions.
Wow, it looked a lot bigger when I was typing it...lol...maybe I'll finish now after allCryMeARiver wrote:As I read through...I agree with that statement completely, its too dangerousraider8169 wrote: @Everyone, I would really rather not a bulk of our votes land upon one person can everyone make sure their votes are not set to go to Crymeariver and Netopalis if you happen to die. I would also like to hear other peoples thoughts on this.Netopalis wrote: Incidentally, we should all be aware of the probability of multiple scumgroups. Note that Tate was listed as Egyptian mafia.
I agree...as I said, either 3 scum groups or 2 and a 3rd party...
raider wrote:Interesting Theory defiantly worth talking about. If I was scum I am not sure what I would do. Passing it to a scum buddy this early would be risky as everyone would know who it was passed to and that would draw unwanted attention. Also I am sure scum would love to control as many votes as they can.
Yeah, this is a great point and probably what's going to make this game so much fun...The intense WIFOM in this is almost comical...If you think about the two sides
1) He was leaving it to his scumbuddy, which I'm not...I suppose the discussion would have come up between his scumbuddies whether he should leave it to them or someone else to frame them...this early in the game, risking leaving it to a (hypothetical) scumbuddy would be stupid
2) He would leave it to someone else...I would be the obvious choice because I make an easy frame since I voted him at the end of the double vote session...he would be trying to make it look like I was making a vain attempt to get my scumbuddy to get the double vote (which doesn't make much sense) and that's probably why he chose me for the vote in case he died
DocPotter wrote:Well, the Egyption thing and three NK's kinda sound like two groups.
How do you figure 2 groups? Am I missing something or do you know something town doesn't?
Netopalis wrote:Analyzing who scum gave votes to is a bit too WIFOMy for my tastes....
Like you read my mindThat's completely possible and makes total sense...they would hope I slip up or something and give them back even more votes...hopefully I don't!Socrates wrote:(Another strategy the scum could use, btw, is to give it to someone with bad reads and/or a scummy player in the hopes that the vote will eventually find their way back to them. Looking at Cry's join date, that might be the strategy here. No offense to Cry.)
DocPotter wrote:I'm not sure there could be an SK in this game due to the win conditions.
You're right, a one/multi-shot vig or something would make more sense
I feel like this is already a big block of text and almost too much... will finish tomorrow...plus I'm tired
Nevr mind...just read through it and there isn't much left...all I'm wondering is why Ortolan posted this:CryMeARiver wrote:Wow, it looked a lot bigger when I was typing it...lol...maybe I'll finish now after allCryMeARiver wrote:As I read through...I agree with that statement completely, its too dangerousraider8169 wrote: @Everyone, I would really rather not a bulk of our votes land upon one person can everyone make sure their votes are not set to go to Crymeariver and Netopalis if you happen to die. I would also like to hear other peoples thoughts on this.Netopalis wrote: Incidentally, we should all be aware of the probability of multiple scumgroups. Note that Tate was listed as Egyptian mafia.
I agree...as I said, either 3 scum groups or 2 and a 3rd party...
raider wrote:Interesting Theory defiantly worth talking about. If I was scum I am not sure what I would do. Passing it to a scum buddy this early would be risky as everyone would know who it was passed to and that would draw unwanted attention. Also I am sure scum would love to control as many votes as they can.
Yeah, this is a great point and probably what's going to make this game so much fun...The intense WIFOM in this is almost comical...If you think about the two sides
1) He was leaving it to his scumbuddy, which I'm not...I suppose the discussion would have come up between his scumbuddies whether he should leave it to them or someone else to frame them...this early in the game, risking leaving it to a (hypothetical) scumbuddy would be stupid
2) He would leave it to someone else...I would be the obvious choice because I make an easy frame since I voted him at the end of the double vote session...he would be trying to make it look like I was making a vain attempt to get my scumbuddy to get the double vote (which doesn't make much sense) and that's probably why he chose me for the vote in case he died
DocPotter wrote:Well, the Egyption thing and three NK's kinda sound like two groups.
How do you figure 2 groups? Am I missing something or do you know something town doesn't?
Netopalis wrote:Analyzing who scum gave votes to is a bit too WIFOMy for my tastes....
Like you read my mindThat's completely possible and makes total sense...they would hope I slip up or something and give them back even more votes...hopefully I don't!Socrates wrote:(Another strategy the scum could use, btw, is to give it to someone with bad reads and/or a scummy player in the hopes that the vote will eventually find their way back to them. Looking at Cry's join date, that might be the strategy here. No offense to Cry.)
DocPotter wrote:I'm not sure there could be an SK in this game due to the win conditions.
You're right, a one/multi-shot vig or something would make more sense
I feel like this is already a big block of text and almost too much... will finish tomorrow...plus I'm tired
Any particular reason? it seems like buddying to meI highly doubt zEEnon is scum with tate
He quite possibly might not have thought his partner would be lynched that early and that no one would remember a minimal day 0 vote for his partner...but it seems like blatant buddying and I doubt anyone would be trying to attach themselves to someone they thought was town that early...I think he is also part of the Egyptian Scum Mafia or whatever its calledortolan wrote:Earlier on I had zEEnon down as a suspect and when I looked over his day one interactions with tate e.g. calling him obv-town I highly doubt he would do that if he was tate's scumbuddy. It's still possible he'd do that if he were in an alternative scum faction and expected tate to actually be town though.CryMeARiver wrote:Any particular reason? it seems like buddying to meI highly doubt zEEnon is scum with tate
@Mod: Bogre is being replaced elsewhere, could your replace him here? It's been 6 days since his 1 post in this game and I'd rather not waste a daykill on a possible inactive townieNetopalis wrote:I do find Gayle scummy, but he's not the play today. He's been active, and if we need to, we can take care of him later. I also am much more sure that ZEEnon is scum than Gayle is now that I've seen Tate's flip. Doc satisfied my points, and I feel fairly good about putting him in the null-to-town zone. I'd much rather see Bogre replaced; the votes were mainly there to impress upon him the importance of posting when he shows back up.
Sorry, just trying to make up for lack of posting on Day0Dr Pepper wrote:Things I find ScummyThings I find Weird
- Netopalis' comment regarding the night kills
- WIFOM argument that scum will pass votes to buddies in wills
- Gayle complaining about lack of content when he filled day zero with noise
- hp[leaves] jumping on the easiest bandwagon
Things I find Townie
- animorph not reading the thread
- Cry's massive posting
Conclusions
- Me predicting tate scum
- raider warning people to keep their wills spread between players
- ortolan reminding people how the town win condition is different from non-town
- Scum win when they control votes
- Town win when all threats are gone
- No player's will should not be used to determine the alignment of any player
- Gayle is paranoid and prob scum
was scummy...we lynched scum and that's good...his comment could be read as "Drat. My scumbuddy got lynched...that's crappy"Drat. That's...that's a really crappy night.
It's probably just the avatar lol, but on Day 0 you seemed rather defensive and paranoid which led to a lot of argument and a lot of fingers pointing at you to be scumGayle wrote:I don't see anything scummy about that. Two townies were killed, among them the person Netopalis considers to be the best player. And what do you mean by "we lynched" scum?CryMeARiver wrote:I agree that I think that Neto's comment:was scummy...we lynched scum and that's good...his comment could be read as "Drat. My scumbuddy got lynched...that's crappy"Drat. That's...that's a really crappy night.
Yes, I realize the loss, but the #1 priority of town should be to lynch scum, not stay alive. I'm pretty sure it was obvious that I meant "scum was lynched last night" and that's why you didn't make that big of a deal about it
That comment was supposed to be a response to Netopalis. He said something along the lines of we needed certain players to speak up, and I commented that we actually need a lot of players to speak up. Even if you don't believe that, can you tell me why the comment is scummy?CMAR wrote:It's a bit scummy the comment you made about lack of content as he says...
I was comparing it to the chaos and lack of substance you really gave on Day 0 and it was ironic that you were now saying that we needed more content...It's not so much scummy, but its a contradiction nevertheless
CMAR wrote:that Ortolan stating the game rules is town (kinda obvious: here we go with the Yos argument again:) )What Ortolan said was less obvious than what raider said?CMAR wrote:I do agree that it is protown what raider said
Ortolan pretty much stated the rules...Raider did nothing of the sort, but stated what he should be done:That's not as obvious as what Ortolan said at all...do you really think that?Raider wrote:@ Everyone,
Once we get someone with like 4 or 5 votes I think it might be a good idea for them to announce who they wish to lynch but not vote unless it is the hammer and everyone else had has enough time to chime in and say who they would like to have lynched and whatnot. Thoughts?
Can you show me what you mean by paranoid? No worries, it will not lead to a 20 page long argument.CMAR wrote:You are very paranoid, though that does not automatically make you scum...
It was my understanding that an NK is just someone being lynched at night...I still think it is, but whatever, you knew what I was sayingCMAR. Why do you say that Tate got lynched?
Also CMAR, exactly who predicted Tate as scum? I only remember Dr Pepper and Neto doing it.
I thought I had stated more explicitly that I thought he was scum, but apparently I didn't...but in my head I didCMAR wrote:tatetothetot has a good chance of being daylynched day 1 for somethings that have happened, I place my vote on him
Vote: tatetothetot
hp leaves wrote: CMAR is also scum, trying hard to look townie with his increased activity and bussing his scummate ZEEnon.
Could you explain why it indicates he town? All you are doing is setting yourself up for a "buddying" tag with Zeenon if he does flip scum by saying he's town without reasoning...Ortolan wrote: don't like the zEEnon wagon, as I said I think his attitude towards tate is more indicative of him not being scum with tate than being scum with him.
That would be because I was the one to start the bandwagon? I didn't hop on with no reason like you did...hp [leaves] wrote:If trying to lynch scum makes me scum, then hell yes I'm scum.Elscouta wrote:@hp[leaves]: Care to comment on the fact that at least two people (including me) called you scummy for having jumped on the first easy wagon.
Also I don't recall anyone else labeling CMAR as suspicious.
Yeah, I agree that this is the case we would kill and not lynch, but this is the opposite of the case we're actually inraider8169 wrote:Anti-town people are worth killing as with them being alive they are more of a liability to town. It works best if town vigs taks them out as lynches are best suited for scummy people. Granted that is assuming we have a town vig and that they have the same mindset as me. Rarely is this the case.The1fifi wrote:Lol, that definetely didn't make sense -.- How can someone not be worth of lynch, but wort of killing?Elscouta wrote:Excuse me?ortolan wrote:don't like the zEEnon wagon, as I said I think his attitude towards tate is more indicative of him not being scum with tate than being scum with him. Plus chances are good we have a vig we can leave him to.He is not worthy of a lynch, but is worthy of a vig? And since when telling the vig who to shoot is townish?
@hp[leaves]: Care to comment on the fact that at least two people (including me) called you scummy for having jumped on the first easy wagon.
I'm not sure if this is possible and don't want to get caught based on role speculation, but any chance this could be his flavor?Gayle wrote:I do, as what Raider said has already been mentioned several times.CMAR wrote:That's not as obvious as what Ortolan said at all...do you really think that?
You are. Your posts are a list of 'facts' with no explanation. You don't question anybody, you don't try to bring up new points, you just post a list of things you find scummy or weird and vote. Essentially, you are letting everybody else do the scumhunting, while you pop in to comment and vote.Dr Pepper wrote:[*]hp[leaves] accusation of me slipping by
Okay, so show me the actions I did that you find scummy. Why do you say Day 0 was drowned in noise?Dr Pepper wrote:[*]I find actions scummy
[*]I dont find people scummy until they commit multiple scummy actions
[*]Gayle is paranoid for suspecting Yos when Yos did nothing scummy
[*]Gayle is prob scum for drowning day one in noise
Another question, why is my questioning of Netopalis' sig wierd?
Also, I frown upon your shenanigans of explaining bullet points with more bullet points.
Now that that's established, lets move on to a sensible topic: lynching scumNetopalis wrote:CMAR: You may be right, it may be a post restriction. I just looked up another game that he played, and he didn't post like that.
I wouldn't necessarily mind lynching him, I just think he's a lurker and lurkers shouldn't be bothered with the lynch...its better if they are vigged (if there is a vig, which is kind of a big risk...)Netopalis wrote:CMAR: Actually, I disagree. I feel fairly strongly that he's the best lynch candidate for the day. We *might* not have a vig, and lynching also generates a lot of responses. I want to see how everybody feels about a ZeeNon lynch before he dies.
I know, I was just saying now we don't have to get on his case about the template of his posts since it could possibly be forced upon him...Gayle wrote:Haha, no. Everything I just said about DrPepper stands. Speculation about his role changes nothing.CryMeARiver wrote:Now that that's established, lets move on to a sensible topic: lynching scum
@Netopalis:How does such a posting restriction fit in with this setup?
About Zeenon, lynching him without more posts is ridiculous. He hasn't posted in six days, and what hehasposted isn't enough to make any sort of conclusion. Lynching him would essentially be a policy lynch.
I think he's referring to the fact that posting restrictions usually relate to theme, but I think in this case its a moot point...Netopalis wrote:Gayle: What do you mean, how does a posting restriction fit into the setup? I'm not sure exactly what you're asking.
That's what I was thinkingNetopalis wrote:If we're going to lynch him whether he's replaced or not, there's no point in making a replacement slog through the 25 pages of this game...
What did this have to do with anything? You said you could tell us what he'd claim then randomly posted that he was a neighborNetopalis wrote:Actually, I just remembered. I can tell you what he'd claim if he were here, due to my role. It's a pretty crappy one, so I don't mind telling you folks this. We're neighbors, unconfirmed alignment. I won't reveal who else is in the neighborhood. I also cannot confirm whether any members of the neighborhood have additional roles or not.
So why would he claim that if he we're here right now? But now we know someone's role is town neighbor at least...that narrows the scum hunt by 1Netopalis wrote:That's what I'm saying - he'd claim town neighbor.
I was talking about DrPepper...didn't Neto just say he was town neighbor (or would claim it...)?The1fifi wrote:How are you so sure neto is town?CryMeARiver wrote:So why would he claim that if he we're here right now? But now we know someone's role isNetopalis wrote:That's what I'm saying - he'd claim town neighbor.townneighbor at least...that narrows the scum hunt by 1
No, I think he said DrPepper is a neighbor, didn't he? I'm so confused right now...Gayle wrote:@CMAR:If we don't have enough information to lynch him now, why would we lynch him when he is replaced? If he is replaced, we form an opinion on his replacement and then decide what to do.
I just found it strange that you would suggest he has a posting restriction that doesn't seem to fit with this setup.Netopalis wrote:What do you mean, how does a posting restriction fit into the setup? I'm not sure exactly what you're asking.
Can you clarify your stance on Zeenon? Are you willing to lynch him or not?
brb, I'm a newbie so i have to go look up the neighbor role. But.. um.. we are talking about Zeenon, right?
Oh, well screw everything I said...I thought you were saying you and DrPepper were neighbors and that DrPepper was a "town neighbor"Netopalis wrote:Myself and Zeenon are neighbors. I can't guarantee alignment. There are more in the neighborhood than just the two of us.
I've been in games where players can't establish posting restrictions till after the game ends...just sayin'Gayle wrote:So his grand total of 4 posts were enough to convince you that he is scum? Scummier than the player you spent all Day 0 arguing with?Netopalis wrote:I am perfectly willing to lynch Zeenon.
I mean his particular posting style as a posting restriction doesn't seem to fit with the "attempt to gain voting power" element of the game. But it would be quicker just to ask him.Netopalis wrote:Also, I'm still not sure why a posting restriction wouldn't fit with the setup. Exactly how would it not?
@DrPepper:Do you have a posting restriction?
Doesn't matter...if someone with multiple votes is scummy, I'd still lynch them...But I agree with you for a different reason, players with multiple votes already have a target on their back (which is why I believe Ray didn't want the double vote, but that backfired...) and are likely to die that night or soon after anyway...raider8169 wrote:Lynching Netopalis today is BAD. That would mean tomorrow someone would have 4 votes (at least).Gayle wrote:Well, I think those first two points are speculation and the last point can be attributed to anything. The remaining point is doesn't make me think "Yep, scum.".
The deadline is March 13th, and there is the possiblity of Zeenon being replaced. Why are you making a vote that "puts him close to lynching" when there are several players we need to hear from, including the replacement of a player with a single post?
Vote: Netopalis
Once I understood what you were saying, I agreed...especially when ZEEnon hadn't posted all dayortolan wrote:Wait, isn't this exactly the same as my attitude towards zEEnon, which you were questioning moments ago?CryMeARiver (609) wrote:Now that that's established, lets move on to a sensible topic: lynching scumNetopalis wrote:CMAR: You may be right, it may be a post restriction. I just looked up another game that he played, and he didn't post like that.
ZEEnon buddied with tate, proven scum (saying that "tate is town") and is now lurking...If he doesn't post within the next day or 2, I agree that he should be vigged (if we have one) rather than lynched
There's far too many of those I'm afraid. I don't think a zEEnon-wagon will be an information-rich one, I would even prefer TheLonging at present. Don't feel enthused about the Gayle wagon either, I suspect she's town.Netopalis (641) wrote:I am not advocating Lynch all Lurkers, I am advocating lynch all scummy lurkers.
That's the exact possible coaching feeling I got...Great minds think alike, they always did call me Aristotle...Socrates wrote:Pwnman is scum guys. Lynch him.
Neto-Pwnman scum buddies? Hmmm...Netopalis wrote:Pwnman: Please, for the love of all that is good and holy, post something substantial. Your lack of content makes all the little babies in the world cry out. It's like there's a massive black hole where your contribution to this game should be, and it's sucking all the life out of the day. This is only exacerbated by your semi-regular vague attempts at excuses, promising posts at an eternally moving "tomorrow". I guess it's not tomorrow yet, given that, in a fashion not unlike Zeno's Paradox, we're continually moving towards tomorrow but will never reach it. You never look at a day and say, "Wow, it's tomorrow!" So, I suppose that you haven't been wholly inaccurate, but it's still incredibly misleading. But, back on topic, it's hard to veil the absolute rage and disgust that I have for your lack of posting. Every day that you go without posting, it's like you're just tossing more and more kittens into a meat grinder. Post or replace out.
Rather paranoid about that suggestion...sir, you need to calm down or I'm gonna have to call securityNetopolis wrote:The crap? How do you get scumbuddies from that? And how are you so sure that he's scum and not just inactive?
Only if they're experienced scum and the way you phrased your question makes it seem like you are not...Plus, if you are his scumbuddy, you probably didn't expect tate to die that quickly so you figured no harm no foul in trying to give him the double voteZEEnon wrote:I dunno what i'm missing but don't scum usually buddy town, not their supposed scum partners?
Him and pwnman are definitely next scummiest but ZEEnon's post didn't seem to cut it for me...I keep my vote on ZEEnon...would like to hear from Gayle and Ortolan though now that ZEEnon posted...Vote: hp [leaves]
* Joined an early bandwagon (the fact I didn't like the bandwagon doesn't help)
* Most posts are one, or two-liners. Not many posts. I feel like he is trying to be just active enough to not be a lurker, but don't commit too much either.
* He called ZeeNon "obv-scum" without much reasoning. I can understand how Zeenon could give scum vibes, but obv-scum. Seriously?
Also, I didn't like his answer to my remark :
hp leaves wrote:Elscouta wrote: @hp[leaves]: Care to comment on the fact that at least two people (including me) called you scummy for having jumped on the first easy wagon.
If trying to lynch scum makes me scum, then hell yes I'm scum.
I meant referring to the ZEEnon case...I believe they were the ones saying that they didn't support his lynch especially since he hasn't posted yet...Netopalis wrote:Alright....Hi stop calling me a lurker thanks, my computer has not been co-operating.
That's too bad. I hope that you're able to post more in the future. We'll still call you a lurker.
Oh, yeah, I was scum and I did this once, so that means that everybody who's scum does that. But, wait! Just a few paragraphs earlier, you said:I did not immediately trust Yosarian because I have made an initial post in a game as a Serial Killer that seemed pro-town and instantly made everyone view me as town for the majority of the game...
How do these two mesh up? It seems as if your second part indicates a null read, while your first part indicates a scum read, both coming from the same post.Post 20 written by Yosarian2 seemed like an attempt to appear more pro-town to me.
Didn't mean he was scum because town want to seem pro-town as well.
So, this vague dissent post means that you need to call him explicitly pro-town without reasoning twice? It seems like your supposed evidence doesn't mesh with your statements.Post 23 written by tatetothetot seemed like it came from a pro-town player due to the fact that I am one to believe that those that provide dissent early on are more likely to be town as mafia would not want to go against people early on. Guess I was wrong, big deal. No reason for you guys to hop all over me because of an incorrect read.
CMAR: You need to hear from Gayle and Ortolan? Exactly why and about what? I would think that you would be waiting more to hear from the inactives...
It's not "displeasing", I just don't feel that it provides a viable reason for you buddying with said scum tate and therefore my vote stays on youZEEnon wrote:Hi CryMeARiver i'm ZEEnon nice to meet you. How about you answer my question?
ZEEnon wrote:Could you explain what in particular you find displeasing about my post rather than just stating that it "didn't cut it" for you? It makes it difficult to counter-argue that point if there is no point.CryMeARiver wrote:Him and pwnman are definitely next scummiest but ZEEnon's post didn't seem to cut it for me...I keep my vote on ZEEnon...would like to hear from Gayle and Ortolan though now that ZEEnon posted...
Seen in preview: more coming...Amished wrote:@CMAR: And?
Don't recall fifi's vote on you...will look it up...hp [leaves] wrote:What makes you think I have inside information?Amished wrote:hp is a good choice for another scumbaggo (partially due to the wagoning of ZEE, partially to looking like he has inside information)
Also CMAR, if you don't like my vote on you; you'll hate The1fifi's vote on me. Just sayin'. Also, why is electing someone who's going to be lynched pro-town? It looks like a cover for electing your scumbuddy.
I absolutely agree which is part of teh reason I didn't want double vote...I'm probably dead tonightAmished wrote:And why do you think he's scummy as heck? What do you think of Fishy's thought that the large vote getters will be a prime target for night actions?
I thought that was obvious...1 bandwagon vote, one vote that I don't remember where it was both with little to no reasonAmished wrote:*sigh*
I wanted an answer to the:
"Why do you think he (hp [leaves]) is scummy as heck?"
part.
hpleaves wrote:Thank god we can vote to lynch now.
So, as we all hate lurkers and the guys buddying scum; here's a lynch candidate that you'll all agree on!
Vote ZEEnon(aka obvscum)
Also CryMeARiver is his scummate and is bussing him.
pretty sure I stated I suspected him before you got here or no?Amished wrote:Ahh, so basically everything that I said was scummy about hp. K, good to know.
(Are we sure we can't lynch CMAR now?)
I have mentioned hp a few times since then and the fact that he hasn't defended his seemingly random wagoning makes it all the more plausible...Still don't understand how this makes me scummy...I'd love to hear a caseAmished wrote:Funny, the only thing you've said about hp all game is:(bolding mine)CMAR in ISO 18 wrote: hp jumped on the bandwagon with little to no reasoning,while it could be scummy, it could be just because I pointed out the obvious
Are you sure you don't wanna lynch him now, Fishy? Pretty pretty please? (I'll throw in 500 e-bucks to sweeten the deal)
Disclaimer: e-bucks are not a valid currency in any way, shape, or form. If you find a sucker, you may be able to trade them for something of value, but they'd have to be pretty stupid /disclaimer
What's DR Pepper's avatar on your screen?DeathRowKitty wrote:I have no idea what you're talking about
ON my computer his avatar is the same as Gayle's almost...except there is a little square on itDeathRowKitty wrote:I don't know what you're looking at, but his avatar is NOT the same as anyone else's. To accuse him of copying someone else's avatar is a huge misrep.FoS CMAR
I don'tDeathRowKitty wrote:I don't know why you insist on trying to make DP look bad. Don't make me upgrade that FoS to a vote.
I haven't read through the past like 5 or 6 pages, but that really makes me want to hammer...but I am very interested in his (fake)claimThe1fifi wrote:Gayle is posting on other games with me and ignoring this...
wow...Once I finish reading, your lack of claim on top of what made 9 people vote for you will probably make me hammerGayle wrote:Unfortunately, I can only post in one game at a time.
I'm the stubborn type, so I am not going to claim. I standby everything I said.
Remember the smugface.png. That is all.
I agree with most of your points, but I haven't finished reading (some exams tomorrow)...If I just bandwagon, I'll be considered scummy, even though I highly doubt there is any chance of this wagon turning around without a claim from GayleNetopalis wrote:1) You were willing to do practically anything to prevent Yos' election, because you felt he was "creepy" and you "didn't trust" me, although you contended that he wasn't scummy and that you really did have good reasons, which made sense to nobody but yourself and which required more than 10 pages of back-and-forth to establish.
2) You denied attacking Yos, despite the fact that it was mathematically proven that almost 2/3rds of your posts mentioned him in a disparaging fashion.
3) You immediately backed off on this when Yos flipped town because you wanted to look more town and you failed to own up to your D1 statements.
4) You call for more votes on Dr. Pepper without stating a reason other than you don't like his outlined post format. It is later explained why this is found to be scummy, but it seems that you follow the format of "Accuse first! Then, if you can find a reason, try to justify it, but only when forced to."
5) You tunnel against Dr. Pepper for most of D1, failing to produce substantial content against or in support of any other player.
6) You practically avoid saying anything about the popular ZeeNON wagon, aside from a few oblique comments against it.
7) You drop off the face of the earth when attacked, then are shocked when people don't lessen their suspicion against you.
8) You buddied up to a confirmed scum.
9) You support odd people in the game but don't seem to like anybody who is really advancing the game.
10) I wanted to make this list end at an even 10 bullet points.
Not at all...I'm still on page 34 and haven't read most of the cases on Gayle yet...I will hammer him once I have reason too...I don't find the DrPepper points on your list that scummy purely because they are his opinion and he provided reasons for why he finds him scummyNetopalis wrote:And, CMAR comes in with yet another reason to bandwagon him instead.
"Hey, guys, hold the press! I still need to look like I'm town today!"
Unvote, vote: CMAR