Mini 961: Insane Asylum II: GAME OVER :O!
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I do not confirm.
But what'll I do if TWO people do this? Then the game will never start-
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FYI, I was Insane Confirming. :VGlork wrote:I do not confirm.
But what'll I do if TWO people do this? Then the game will never start
But you don't have that ability!-
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Had unexpected V/LA this past weekend. Will read boring crap later.
Vote: Glorkin th meantime. Dude's probably a dirty scumbaggo.-
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Yeah, mafiawise, there aren't many people left who can call me junior, young'un.-
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Oh yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm a miller, too. One sec.
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EBWOP: Actually, I don't think I'm a miller in its conventional form. I have to check something with the moderator.-
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:bigredx:SocioPath wrote:Iec is doing what Iec does.
Misusing meta.
Obviously he is scum.
Vote: Iec
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Because I kind of forgot the details of my role. Tar bringing up "millerness" reminded me that I had some miller aspect of my role, so I went and checked.
So I was like "yeah, I'm a miller." But as it turns out, after asking the mod something, I am not a miller towards investigative abilities. Sane investigations on me should get a sane result.-
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Protip: none of the rest of us care about your petty squabble. You both sound like you're trying to convince the other that they're scum, not the rest of us. Please end this pointless argument before it becomes even more of a distraction to the game.-
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I wasn't aware that I had a spat with SP. I was just pointing out that voting for Iece is :badposting:.
In all fairness, the Iece/Farside thing did pretty much tell me that Iece is legit and farside has an above average chance of being legit. So in that respect it wasn't useless, but it doesn't need to continue.-
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This made me laugh.Tarhalindur wrote:and her attack on Glork looks craplogic right now
You may proceed with pretending to kill the moderator. I will proceed with keeping my vote safely tucked away until it is needed elsewhere.
Hey, this could be...thegame where I'm actually lynchable and have an effect-
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I will answer this question as soon as you answer a question of mine:farside22 wrote:@Glork: Voting for yourself is helping how?
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He didn't put words in your mouth. He made a reasonable assumption based on this:
Just because he didn't interpret your post the way you intended, doesn't mean that he's scum. It means that you were unclear with your wording. For what it's worth, I made the exact same assumption as Iece did.Iecerint wrote:You voted me and asked me a question. I assumed that the two events were related. Your question was why stalling out on confirmation would be voteworthy. So the implication is that you think it's scummy to vote someone for stalling out on confirmation.-
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Way to go completely out of your way to justify a boring vote by answering a question directly asked towards somebody else about their vote specifically.StrangerCoug wrote:
This is blatant hypocrisy, for one thing. Chances are you know your alignment and win condition; you have no good reason for your vote either.Glork wrote:
I will answer this question as soon as you answer a question of mine:farside22 wrote:@Glork: Voting for yourself is helping how?
Why is your vote still on known town?
For another thing, you'reSTILLtreating Iecerint as confirmed, i.e. nobody votes him; end of discussion. It's fine to think Iecerint is obvtown, and I admit the two concepts are related, but they're not identical.
I'm sure you'll call this OMGUS, butUvnote, Vote: StrangerCoug. I don't see this type of zealotry as being likely protown.-
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Oh, right. I voted for myself because I didn't feel like arbitrarily voting for somebody else.-
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You crazy kids and your inability to understand hyperbole.-
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Also, your last statement is factually false. Theoretically, Iece and I could be mod-confirmed masons. Or I could be a Daycop. Or I could have role-based knowledge about him from some other means. Even if I weren't using hyperbole, the entire basis of your vote is inherently wrong.-
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This is weak, even for you. I fully well know the nature of the game, but that does not discount the possibility of mod-confirmedness, which is exactly the point I was making. Furthermore, I've already stated that I was using hyperbole. It seems awfully silly to try to pile on the nonexistent GlorkWagon because of a statement (there are roles which can confirm innocence D1) which I made very clear was purely hypothetical.SocioPath wrote:[Yes because in this game, given the title and theme and mod, that things like THAT would be SUPER LEGITMATE AND LISTENABLE TO.-
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Also, my use of "arbitrary" was completely correct. More correct than "random," in fact.
Please learn to English language before firing off on stupid shit.Dictionary wrote: ar·bi·trar·y
/ˈɑrbɪˌtrɛri/ Show Spelled [ahr-bi-trer-ee] Show IPA adjective, noun, plural -trar·ies.
–adjective
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subject to individual will or judgment without restriction; contingent solely upon one's discretion: an arbitrary decision.
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decided by a judge or arbiter rather than by a law or statute.
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having unlimited power; uncontrolled or unrestricted by law; despotic; tyrannical: an arbitrary government.
4.an arbitrary demand for payment.
capricious; unreasonable; unsupported:
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Mathematics . undetermined; not assigned a specific value: an arbitrary constant.-
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ITT Socio really needs to work on his conspiracy theories. Also, he still doesn't understand the English language.-
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I've already explained that voting for myself was my way of not voting for anybody else. I didn't feel like putting a random vote on somebody else during the random voting stage. As soon as I found a suspect, I moved my vote off of myself.There is no contradiction because my vote was a temporary, RVS, non-vote, while your vote was a serious vote with intended (if flawed) reasoning.
Also, please go back and read my "I don't know for a fact that Iece is protown, I was using hyperbole" comment from earlier.-
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Except I recognize when to move beyond that to seriousness, making me not mediocre at what I do.SocioPath wrote:INTENTIONALLY OBTUSE?
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Honestly, I can't remember the last time Iwasscum in a game. It had to have been at least a year ago. The most recently completed large game was Mars 3, which finished in November '08, when I flaked off-site entirely.-
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EBWOP: I was a Serial Killer in mirth's "Congratulations! You are..." Mafia, which finished in May 09, but I also flaked off-site then. Beyond that, I think you'd have to look for meta examples from completed games in my wiki.
Although I should point out that you'll probably have a hell of a hard time trying to meta me. I know of only like three people who could actually read me well, and they've all played dozens of games with me over the last five years.-
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If a player targets me with ability X (which is not an investigation), then that ability will have its "sanity" reversed, meaning it will have the opposite effect that it normally would.
Anyway, I think you hit the nail on the head Re: Socio. He may be trying to troll me into doing something stupid, and if that's the case he's mostly failing miserably.-
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For what it's worth, I would argue that self-voting during RVS is a complete null-tell, provided the vote is (re)moved as soon as the game gets serious. The only protown motivation is for discussion, and the only scum motivation is to pretend you're promoting discussion (which you end up doing anyway).-
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I mean anything that you can attempt to jump all over. I think you know I'm an enormous threat to scums in any game I play, so your behavior towards me is largely premeditated.
I'm pretty sure you know I'm not scum, though I love how you seem to have decided I've "outed myself as scum" without actually naming what makes you feel that I'm scummy.-
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Actually, the only games I know of that you've been in were Open Source, which I stopped following as soon as I died; and a certain ongoing. I'm really not impressed by you at all. You evidently think that you're an enormous fucking deal, but from my limited experiences with you, you're a pretty small fish in a very, very large pond. So don't sit here and try to tellSocioPath wrote:Besides, I can say the exact same thing:
I think you know I'm an enormous threat to scums in any game I play.mewhatIthink of you when you have zero credentials and I have read approximately two days' worth of your mafia play.
From your own perspective, maybe they are clear. But I certainly didn't recognize that you were intentionally failing to move your vote, and I don't even bother to understand some of the seemingly-throwaway comments you make, like the whole "arbitrary" thing. As soon as I realized you were trying to make that a distraction, I dropped the subject entirely.SocioPath wrote:
This is off.Glork wrote:so your behavior towards me is largely premeditated.
I've been mostly reactionary towards you.
My first votes on you were clearly not serious, as your first disdains towards me shouldn't have been as well.
UK very clearly in my posts that UNVOTING IS REQUIRED.
So I had an entire slew of posts that were intentionally invalid.
For those paying attention, my first vote without the unvote prior, UK quickly made sure that it was clear it was invalid.
After such, during the slew of non-unvotes, UK made some errors, and then later corrected it, and then commented on each of my invalid votes.
I would think you of all people would realize this, so my responses to your posts of my Iec vote and the Glork vote should have been clear.
What you are evidently failing to understand is that "doing something stupid" is largely independent of my alignment. In fact, I probably "do stupid things" as town MORE than I do as scum. Mith metas that a sloppy/careless Glork is a protown Glork. Sometime later, I'll try to see if I can dig up the game in which he said that -- I forget which one it was, and it was probably 2-3 years ago... but I think it continues to apply. All of my remotely memorable scum games have been characterized by me being meticulous and conniving, while there are probably dozens upon dozens of examples of me screwing up in games, because -- and this is a concept that just might make a little too much sense -- I am still extremely human. Sometimes I let myself get carried away. Sometimes (California Trilogy III) I'm just flat-out wrong on every level possible. Sometimes I make a big deal out of the wrong things and make it easy for the scums to lead the town in the wrong direction. So yeah, when I said "do something stupid," I was talking about the fact that I am bound to make mistakes at every level. In fact, I'll even admit that you've gotten under my skin just a little bit in this game, and I'm trying really hard to not let that skew my scumdar unfairly against you, but you're doing a damned good job of convincing me that you're scum in spite of that.SocioPath wrote:That is quite the non sequitur.
He is the one that mentioned 'doing something stupid' and saying I was 'failing' meaning that there would be methods that wouldn't, as he said, 'fail' at doing such.
Meaning its possible.
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Actually, Socio, I'd like you to explain in a serious, straightforward way why you jumped on "arbitrary" and why you chose to attempt to insult me even after I had pointed out that my use of arbitrary was appropriate.
I want to hear a definitive, constructive, protown reason behind those comments. That's definitely one of the things that, regardless of my misgivings about your playstyle, serves as being distinctly scummy right now.-
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Different points entirely. Does "was Glork's vote for himself arbitrary" in any way help you in scumhunting? I still think you were arguing for the sake of arguing, which is :nothelpful:SocioPath wrote:
Dropped it...and...Glork wrote:and I don't even bother to understand some of the seemingly-throwaway comments you make, like the whole "arbitrary" thing. As soon as I realized you were trying to make that a distraction, I dropped the subject entirely.
...brought it up again.Glork wrote:Actually, Socio, I'd like you to explain in a serious, straightforward way why you jumped on "arbitrary" and why you chose to attempt to insult me even after I had pointed out that my use of arbitrary was appropriate.
I want to hear a definitive, constructive, protown reason behind those comments. That's definitely one of the things that, regardless of my misgivings about your playstyle, serves as being distinctly scummy right now.
But sure, I'll explanionatate that fer yous.
By your use of words, placing the word "arbitrarily" before the part where you reference others, you seem to imply that the vote for yourself is not as arbitrary.Glork wrote:Oh, right. I voted for myself because I didn't feel like arbitrarily voting for somebody else.
I wasn't going to continue with "my use of the word was correct." "No it wasn't!" "Yes it was!" "You're dumb!" "No you're dumb" because that helps nobody.
But in bringing it up again, I'm actively trying to see if you have protown motivations for the posts you make, which is a worthwhile and completely different approach to the topic at hand.
I left myself a day to stew on it and my opinion of your trollishness changed. Not much else to say. Early on it didn't bother me, but after reading over it again, I still didn't see a protown motivation, and then it did end up bothering me. Both of those posts were consistent with my sentiments when they were made.SocioPath wrote:
O RLY?Glork wrote:In fact, I'll even admit that you've gotten under my skin just a little bit in this game, and I'm trying really hard to not let that skew my scumdar unfairly against you, but you're doing a damned good job of convincing me that you're scum in spite of that.
This part says I wasn't:
The "mostly" qualifier is negated by the "failing miserably" implying that my "trolling" was failing.Glork wrote:if that's the case he's mostly failing miserably.
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By the way, my vote for myself was completely arbitrary. I won't deny that. I guess that post should have read "I put an arbitrary vote on myself because I didn't feel like putting an arbitrary vote on someone else." I still don't see how that helps you in any way determine my alignment, though.-
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Fantastic misrepresentation here.SocioPath wrote:That is a nice chunk of name dropping and AtAs.
I guess it would be a good time for my name dropping:
Mentioning mith's meta against me is apparently "a nice chunk of name-dropping." Referencing my own meta as scum is apparently Appeal to Authority. Misrep and misrep.
Your response also fails to address the actual point at hand, which is: You're accusing me of saying that "Glork does something stupid" implies "Glork would have to be scum to do something stupid," when that is completely and utterly inaccurate.
My vote won't be moving off of Socio until he's dead. Between the mostly nonsesnsical attacks, misrepresentation, general unwillingness to answer my questions directly, it seems to me that he's relying primarily on rhetoric to generate anti-Glork sentiment, and it really makes me doubt the sincerity of his attitude towards my alignment.-
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Socio, I understand "method behind one's madness." That's been my own modus operandi in certain games for years. And you're right in that I don't understand it. But that's why I'm asking you to explain the method, becauseSocioPath wrote:
There is a method to my madness.Glork wrote:I still don't see how that helps you in any way determine my alignment, though.
Not understanding something doesn't automatically make that something wrong.I want to judge for myself whether this alleged method has protown intentions... and when I do, you just try to spin it into something else implying glorkscum, which does NOT give me protown vibes. I'm not sure I can make that any clearer. I am very earnestly trying to understand why you do what you do because if you can convince me that it is protown, I'd be more than happy to look for scums elsewhere. But you make ZERO effort to do so.-
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I am quite the pompous ass.SocioPath wrote:Wow Glork, can you really not see how full of yourself you are being when regarding and responding to me?
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EBWOP:Glork wrote:
Socio, I understand "method behind one's madness." That's been my own modus operandi in certain games for years. And you're right in that I don't understandSocioPath wrote:
There is a method to my madness.Glork wrote:I still don't see how that helps you in any way determine my alignment, though.
Not understanding something doesn't automatically make that something wrong.ityour claimed method in this game (or possibly in general). But that's why I'm asking you to explain the method, becauseI want to judge for myself whether this alleged method has protown intentions... and when I do, you just try to spin it into something else implying glorkscum, which does NOT give me protown vibes. I'm not sure I can make that any clearer. I am very earnestly trying to understand why you do what you do because if you can convince me that it is protown, I'd be more than happy to look for scums elsewhere. But you make ZERO effort to do so.-
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Fair enough. I will commit myself to reading through some of those games in the next few days.SocioPath wrote:
Please just read at least some of the linked games then.Glork wrote:Socio, I understand "method behind one's madness." That's been my own modus operandi in certain games for years. And you're right in that I don't understand it. But that's why I'm asking you to explain the method, becauseI want to judge for myself whether this alleged method has protown intentions... and when I do, you just try to spin it into something else implying glorkscum, which does NOT give me protown vibes. I'm not sure I can make that any clearer. I am very earnestly trying to understand why you do what you do because if you can convince me that it is protown, I'd be more than happy to look for scums elsewhere. But you make ZERO effort to do so.
Yes it is an appeal to past authority, much like you, but it helps prove that my intentionally obtuse methods tend to work with amazing accuracy.
I hardly call finding a good chuck of games, and linking to them, and giving a brief overview of them "ZERO effort".
Explaining how I work is like explaining how gut feelings work, its not gut though, its understanding people on a deeper level.
That OS Mafia has some that I've described.
In fact, in most of my games I explain good chunks of how I work.
With enough reading, everything should be clear(ISH).Unvotefor now-
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So far I've only taken a cursory glance at OS Mafia.
But right now, I kind of want to go lurkerhunting. *IF* SP and I are both town, then scums are almost certainly sitting on their thumbs hoping we implode and get each other killed. Obvious observation may be obvious, but it still warrants vocalization.
Tar and CSL have V/LA I think. I don't think anyone else is in prod range, though I'll check-
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It's heavily implied here. The "stupid thing" that SP thinks I'm doing is as GlorkScum, not as GlorkTown.SocioPath wrote:
Doing something stupid?Glork wrote:Anyway, I think you hit the nail on the head Re: Socio. He may be trying to troll me into doing something stupid, and if that's the case he's mostly failing miserably.
Like outing yourself as scum?
Or Coug as your partner?-
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Tar, you are correct. Protective roles targeting me have their sanity reversed. So, um, if you know you protect sanely, please don't target me.
I have also considered the notion that the scums have at least one Miller role, which may reverse Investigations, Protections, and/or even Kills preformed on them, and I have concluded that this is a likely possibility.
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I mostly agree with Kai's assessment of the game. Maybe I should put my testicles on and put my vote back on SP.-
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On the heels of the mod's warning, I will elect not to answer Tar's question about the number five.
Vote: Snow_Bunny
Still not thrilled about SP. I haven't read through many of his listed games yet, though. I'm still not thrilled about the blatant misrep, and there's still something that bugs me about his play. Can somebody link me to games that were not in SP's self-provided meta sample?-
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EBWOP: Can somebody not named SP link me to said alternate games?-
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I'd say it's probably because she's scum.farside22 wrote:@Glork: Why did you switch to SB?-
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SP: For extra credit, name exactly two people who aren't Coug/Glork who are most likely to be scum.-
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...and here I had such high hopes for you.
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:tup:SocioPath wrote:
BLATANT MISREP.Glork wrote:...and here I had such high hopes for you.-
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1) Coug and a lurker. We'll go with Slicey for now.
2) Me, Iece, Farside
3) N/A.-
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Actually, I changed my mind about 1. Let's go with Slicey and Kairyuu for now. I'm kinda flip-floppy on Coug.-
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Actually Coug, I'd rather not say at this time. There are multiple interactions I want to see play out.
If SP is protown, then Kairyuu's vote is most likely to be a worthless pileon vote, hence his inclusion on my "good alternate lynches" status. BV's vote doesn't look particularly great either. I don't really have a problem with Leech at this time.
Slicey and S_B have been particularly worthless. S_B is still voting for the mod (Seriously?), and Slicey put a pretty worthless vote on Tar (in my slightly-to-moderately protown category) before disappearing.-
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Quick! Who are all the scums?Iecerint wrote:Would love it if anyone wants to ask me anything.-
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Seconded. I had no idea there was a deadline so soon, and most of this game is either inactive or just joined the game.farside22 wrote:Mod: Can we get an extension do to the replacement issue please?
Alternately, we could just lynch SP.-
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I'm not really following how you get to the last sentence.Iecerint wrote:I don't know how I feel about farside's pressure on SB. With three parties implicated -- SC/Glork/SP -- I don't see a scum motivation in going for a wagon elsewhere, unless they're quite certain that a townwagon will follow to completion without them. Since SP has been winning for some time and several people off the wagon have expressed interest, I think SB is unlikely to be scum with SP.
I think SP-town implies SB-town, because SB would probably slide onto the wagon, but I don't see how they couldn't be scum together.-
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Ah, I think I see what you're saying. There are two potential rival "wagons" to choose from, so why would she hang SP out to dry? Most people either bus or try to protect in that situation.
I can buy that logic. SP and SB are probably not scum together.-
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Yeah, but Coug has two votes so I still don't see SBscum going to Tar if SP is scum with her.-
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