Newbie 980 ~ Game Over

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I've always been confused by people quickly, and randomly voting.

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Ah I see. Thanks for explaining that.

I'm going to

vote a2rudeboy

because pandas should never be sad.

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I've never played before. I've literally just started this game, and another game on another forum. That's it.

I've been a bit wary about keeping silent, but I don't particularly want to fuck up.

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...what're the rules on swearing around here?

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I've just got the feeling that millar13 saw that I was new, and so tried his best to like..confuse me and make me make a panic snap decision. I've tried to keep calm and see whether he shoots himself in the foot or whether his attitude changes.

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Sorry CSL, that wasn't aimed as a slight at you, I'm just trying to generate discussion and suchlike x]

Apologies.

On the contrary, I was talking about millar and Earlder1

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Ah. I misunderstood again. Sorry.

So anyway. Back to the game. Most people have been fairly quiet...I'm not sure what to make of that.

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Thansk, jmurph3

Following suit, I'm going to

unvote

I think that voting for millar13 on the basis of him being a fail troll towards the mod might not be a good idea.

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1) Doesn't really mean anything.

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It is suspicious that he wants to prolong the RVS. Other than that though, it seems to be trolling.

I dunno what else I can say to input into the discussion.

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o.o

Replacement because we won't take his crap, or what?

Either way, part of me thinks it's suspicious, because we're all thinking he's mafia, and so, before he gets found out, he's abandoned ship. Or, he might just not want to play with us anymore.

Remind me after the game is over.

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o.o

Replacement because we won't take his crap, or what?

Either way, part of me thinks it's suspicious, because we're all thinking he's mafia, and so, before he gets found out, he's abandoned ship. Or, he might just not want to play with us anymore.

Remind me after the game is over.

Because of issues i have with CSL.

so STFU n00b

C'mon dude, why do you have to be so damn rude? I was simply trying to stimulate some kind of discussion, rather than it stagnating like it had been.

You've been nothing but belligerent towards me the entire time, yes, I'm a noob. Deal with it. I thought that the SE members were supposed to help us new ones out, rather than try and make the experience shitty for us.

Whatever. I'll be glad when you're gone.

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Welcome :3

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Thank you for all the information, Haylen, I'm sure it'll be a fun ride.

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What makes you say that? I assume 'cos he/she's been lurking?

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Do you just want us to post anything, just so as it stimulates some form of discussion?

Isn't deciding that your job, because I'm not supposed to directly answer this.

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Vote: Earlder1

He seems to be very very fixated on our various experiences-it might not be anything, but he might be trying to feel out who he can probably bluff out. As I have nothing else to go on....that's my reasoning. Plus the fact he didn't speak for ages, and then made two posts in quick succession, one basically reiterating what he said before. x]

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Exactly. Earlder's posted three or four times. Once to vote for me in RVS, and then twice saying the same thing.

The people who are currently posting have answered his question, so there is no need for him to ask it again. If the others cared to have answered it, they already would have. He's achieving nothing by asking it, besides deflecting attentions away....

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Hi Zajnet, welcome.

Just a random point. I'm off graduating tomorrow, so will be away for most of the day...not that it'll probably affect the pace too much x]

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University having wasted the last three years of my life studying History

I was looking for jobs today. Goddamn it's a pointless degree x]

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Owch. It was looking like I was going to have to retake my year, since I missed a good chunk of the last semester with illness, then had gastroentitis during both my exams. Luckily I caught up and did better than expected with a 2:1 so didn't lose out...

Thankfully. And now, sleep as I'm up at 5am to travel back down to Norwich >>; curse the 9.30am graduation.

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I'm back. Nothing has happened.

Awesome.

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Vamparific has two votes. I'm not sure if they're Random votes, but then they're also by people who have hardly posted. Take anything from that or not?

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1. Earlder1
2. Brought up the same question again, doesn't contribute anything else.
3. Irritating. Unfair if they are townies and haven't done anything.
4. V/LA? I think that's being away? and no, unless I need to go back to hospital again/
5. No, it wouldn't be either.

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Not really, but I was asked to point a finger, so I did.

It's also the fact that you go quiet for ages, and only post to repeat things.

Other than that, it was a hunch. Nothing more.

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It was also partly to finally get some for of discussion going. It hasn't really worked, though.

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Man. We have two weeks before the deadline. These lurkers/non posters are really screwing things up.

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Dum dum durrrrrrrrr.

Well, I'm not scum, but I have no way of proving this to you.

I'm only overposting in the hope it'll actually make something happen, because otherwise those who are scum are going to end up with an easy task, with the rest of us running around like headless chickens whilst they pick us off one by one.

I'm not sure what more I can do to prove different, though.

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Oh, plus there's the fact I'm recovering from an operation, and house bound, so have like. Nothing better to do besides post.

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1. Can you explain why you are worried about keeping silent?
2. Why are you fixated on Earlder?
3. If (hypothetically) we lynched Earlder today, and he flipped scum. Who do you think his scum buddy would be?
4. If you couldn't lynch Earlder today, who would you lynch?
5. What do aim to achieve from discussion on Day One?

First of all, I'm not a chick. I'm a dude.

1. Keeping silent is the equivalent of lurking. Although, since you've decided I'm scum anyway, that doesn't make any difference now. Although, if I were scum, I'd not answer you at all.
2. Nothing else to go on. That's the simple truth of it. Noone else was doing anything besides lurking, so I went with what I could find.
3. No idea. Probably one of the lurkers.
4. One of the lurkers.
5. Some form of idea bout everyone else.

Your reasons for voting for me are pretty similar for me having an opinion on Earlder-you're saying I'm focussed on one thing, now you're focussed on the same thing and using it as a reason to vote for me. Sooo...yeah. That doesn't really make sense.

I exaggerated it because I wanted to highlight it as I thought it was relevant. Not because I am scum and want an easy lynch, but because I'm town and want to highlight what I see as suspicious activity. No other reason. Likewise tunnelling it-there is nothing else to go on. We had millar being a douche, you being helpful, and earlder asking the question. Out of the three, that seemed the scummiest. I didn't want to point the finger at one specific lurker because there were so many of them.

I was worried about not speaking because of the lurking thing. Seems to me that I'm doomed if I do, and doomed if I don't. If I don't speak-lurking-scummy, if I do speak, then it seems as suspicious.

I have nothing else I can say besides the fact that I'm 100% town, and so your suspicions, whilst I can see where you're coming from, are entirely unjustified.

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Well, yeah, i know that fluff now is a bad idea. I didn't know that at the time. Since I've been told that, I've tried to cut down.

And, of course my defense boils down to "Well, I'm town, so your case sucks," because it's entirely true. I don't quite see how else I can defend myself. There is no way of proving I'm town until you wrongly lynch me, and CLS says "Nexus: Townie" or whatever, as (s)he summarises the night events. So I'm not quite sure what else to do.

It's my first game, I've made some mistakes, but you guys will make an even bigger mistake lynching me. ESPECIALLY when we don't know anything about other members; namely those who haven't posted.

In other news, I'm slightly suspicious of how Haylen's analysed everyone elses posts, because, to me, that means that Haylen is trying to show that they are being proactive, which yes, could mean that they are town, but on the other hand could be scum, especially when I know that I'm a townie and to vote for me and lynch me is a dumb idea. So I'm going to keep an eye on how Haylen continues.

And, if we're all wrong, and the lurkers are scum, they're going to be rubbing their hands with glee.

Still, it's my first game, and I'll learn from whatever happens here.

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I'm going to use the area tags Haylen used. Those were pretty sexy.

First suspect: Nexus
He's been giving me bad vibes lately. He's definitely hiding something. He's pretty active lurky. Most of my suspicions have already been brought to the table by Haylen. Some additional points:
ISO26 appears to divert suspicion by indirectly attacking all the lurkers.
ISO27 strikes me as odd. He doesn't even try to defend himself properly.
ISO29, answer #1 reeks of WIFOM.
ISO30- I'd like to say that fluff doesn't matter per se- Content is all that matters. Posting

content

is townie, even if it is somewhat fluffy. Posting

nothing but fluff

is scummy.
I'm really not liking Nexus's defense (or lack thereof).

Vote: Nexus

If I had to pick a third suspect, I would go with Haylen, for one reason and one reason only: wanting a full scum list. Aside from that, her play has been pro-town.

So basically anyone who's posted, to you, is suspicious/scum? Okay..

I'm not hiding anything, I have nothing to hide.

ISO26 I was trying to explain that I thought something needed to be done about the fact that nobody was posting, and the deadline was fast approaching, so we needed some leads. Turns out, I've inadvertantly given you the leads, albeit that you're all mistaken and are all voting for me. I'm town, not scum.
ISO27 I haven't played Mafia before, I have no idea how to defend myself properly. That was the only thing I could think of, because, it's true. There's not much more to my defense except "I'm not scum, I'm town," because there's not a lot else I can say. Surely if I was scum, I'd be making more of an effort to convince you I wasn't?
Once again, ISO29 is the same as ISO26. I have no idea how to defend myself from false accusations, because there is only one way I can definitely defend myself, and that is against the rules.
ISO30-We were in RVS for a while. We had nothing else to post. I didn't understand that posting fluff was going to be seen as suspicious, now that I do know, I'll endeavour not to.

I know you're making a mistake, but even if you do continue to go ahead and vote for me, can I suggest holding your horses and waiting to see what the replacements say, too?

You're making these accusations, despite the fact that there are other suspicious people. Still, I can't blame you. It's been a slow game, and you're clutching at straws.

I may have inadvertantly made scummy posts, but that was/is inadvertant. If I were scum, I'd have taken more care to watch other games, see how the scum acted, and follow their example, because that'd be the sensible thing to do.

I've got no other defence, so anything else I'd post at this current moment would be redundant.

Although, I will point out: If you're in any way suspicious of Haylen, why would you take her analysis at face value? She could be dissecting things in a way to make me seem scummy so as to deflect suspicion from herself.

As for jmurph, I have not spoken to her at all.

You're simply agreeing with Haylen, adding a little more, the same as you claim jmurph has been doing with me. You can't have it both ways.

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EBWOP.
Oh, and with regards to jmurph "coaching me", it isn't a scum tell to me, it's simply an SE showing me where I'm going wrong as a newbie, which is the same as what Haylen was doing earlier in the thread....

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Bugger.

I can't actually think of any other way of defending myself, so I'm not going to try. I'm town, but it doesn't seem like I'm going to change your mind. Nevermind.

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Bugger.

I can't actually think of any other way of defending myself, so I'm not going to try. I'm town, but it doesn't seem like I'm going to change your mind. Nevermind.

Sorry. I realise this is self-hammering. Or. What I understand to be self-hammering. That wasn't the intention.

I've obviously never been in this situation before, but I dunno what else to say. I mean, yeah.

I'm probably digging myself further here, but I'm trying my best to prove I'm town.

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Mmm. Ok then.

If you lynch me, then I sincerely hope the rest of you townies succeed in lynching actual mafia. Let's hope that we don't regret this, and the scum don't win.

It was an interesting experience, anyway.

Before I do get lynched, I have this to say:

Haylen has led this lynch. Keep an eye on her.
Kov has come in and jumped on the bandwagon. Not enough time to form an opinion.
Earlder's posted very sporadically, two posts saying the same thing, one to lynch me, and random fluff for the rest of it. I'm still suspicious.
Jmurph has posted to try and help the newbies, I'm not suspicious of her.
Beefster claimed not to have internet, which is probably true, but he has come back and immediately gone for a lynch.
The others haven't really done anything.

Mreh. Sorry guys.

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I'm L-1. All it needs is for one of the actual mafia to now waltz in, and vote for me, and you've lost a townie.

I know they've given me a reason, and they're understandable, and they're all ones I can't argue against. I dunno what else I can say to defend myself because I was playing how I thought I should. I know for future reference, and any future games I'll do better, I guess.

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You're still the one behind the spurring people on into pointing the finger, whichever way you went about it. I was merely commenting, so as people don't forget that.

You're getting pretty defensive now, as well.

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So it's ok for you to be paranoid, that's not scummy, but when I'm really paranoid, that's a scum tell?

unvote

I'm suspicious of you.

FoS Haylen

for what it's worth.

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"Nexus wrote:I've been a bit wary about keeping silent, but I don't particularly want to fuck up."

You responded with "Why would a townie be worried about keeping silent about anything."

That's me being paranoid about fucking up.

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EBWOP:

Sorry. I should've added that as a reason for me being wary about being silent and suchlike. I was paranoid that not speaking would be seen as lurking.

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Alrighty. Sorry for the confusion.

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I'm going to come clean and admit my role as Vanilla Townie.

That's my role, and that's all I can say.

As I've already said, I found Haylen's leading of the votes towards me as scummy, and it wasn't just an OMGUS FoS, I genuinely found it suspicious. OMGUS, as I understand it, is for RVS.

I wasn't trying to do a temper tantrum, I was just struggling to think of anything else.

Vote: Haylen

reading Jmurph, Mr. Flay and a2rudeboy's posts have confirmed my suspicions.

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I am also seeing Nexus's vote on me as an attempt at shifting the bandwagon from himself to me, which he has successfully done. With the help of Mr Flay. Which is why I could definately see a Nexus/Flay pairing.

Sorry for yelling, I'm really not feeling very well right now. It's odd, for the past month, everyday I've worked, I've developed a really bad migraine during and afterwards.

A pairing of two townies? Yup, quite likely.

I have not spoken to Flay at all outside of the thread.

I had my suspicions of you as I outlined them when I was on L-1. I have suspicions on other people, but the fact that other people shared my opinion spurred me on.

You're getting agitated now, which could be a mafia tell, as it seems like you're close to being rumbled. Your tactic of trying to shift everything on me because I'm a newbie was working, and kudos for that, but as I keep reiterating, you've made a mistake.

I think everyone needs to take a step back and calm down.

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Why did you read the game two days ago?

Well, I read all the begginer guides I could find but i had to look at how people happen to play it was complete luck that i got replaced in.

BagSquad/Kov's #50 is pretty flippant. "A lady in the house" - really? Also, a third fourth unvote in a row is NOT the way RVS usually ends... BagSquad or Vamparific (whoops, that's me) scumpair with millar/Haylen?

Bagsquad was a lurker voting on anyone and everyone mabye hoping to get a bandwagon lynch on who they thought was scum?

For now, I'm going to say

vote: Kov

. Your vote on Nexus seems very opportunistic, and I don't like the way you didn't give a real explanation for it. It's a perfect move for scum to make at this point.

well i guess i need to defend myself. I voted for nexus because he seems very naive but in a fake way(I hope this makes sense) and if they weren't scum to hopefully entice a Mafia member to quicklynch(unfortunatley mabye the mafia are too big a lurkers and missed it) giving us an idea who to lynch and the doctors/cops (if we have any) who they should use there powers on. I just assumed that's what you do at this stage go with who you thinks the most suspicious and hope.

I won't change my vote but again I still have a bad feeling about Haylen

Bait me into doing what, exactly? REVEALING MY ROLE AS A TOWNIE? ohnoez.

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...for some reason it didn't even quote the bit I Was referencing to. Fail.

Enticing people into a quicklynch, you mean like you have done by posting like...twice and voting to lynch?

You're willing to risk losing a townie in the hope a mafia member jumps out? Pretty silly.

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I have not spoken to Flay at all outside of the thread.

Wouldn't necessarily be a lie. Flay's only just replaced in and scum are only allowed to night talk during confirmations and at night.

You're getting agitated now, which could be a mafia tell, as it seems like you're close to being rumbled.

No...I'm annoyed that people are twisting my words.

Your tactic of trying to shift everything on me because I'm a newbie was working

I'm not attacking you or shifting anything on your because you're a newbie. I am not a newbie hater, This whole post is testiment to that fact. I'm quite offended about that being called that actually.

But only the innocent are going to be able to do it with a level head.

That's an incorrect assumption to make. Every player has their own individual things that wind them up, make them agitated or squirmish in games and makes them go on the defensive. They all have their own playstyles, their own scumtells, their own towntells. Standard tells can only go so far in games. Eventually, you'll be forced to look at another players games to see if they are complying to their usual meta or not. The only thing I know about my own meta is that I'm primarily a gut player. Only two players (Incognito and Zachrulez) can consistantly tell whether I'm town or scum in a game regardless of how I act in it.

Btw, I am genuinely surprised none of you have suggested that I've been buddying yet.

I am very suspicious of the way people have jumped on me over the last post expecially Nexus. His vote put me to L-2 and seemed very opportunistic.

I would also like to post out that I completely disagree with sacrificing a player to find out who the scum are. I can see the point in doing it, but I have never liked it and will never like it.

Btw, have a quote in my defence. Yes, it's meta based, but it's not based on how I play, it's about how everyone else plays with me in games.

Haylen's meta:
She's being attacked by everyone and their mother and their grandmother's too --

Town.

She's coasting... somehow --

Scum.

Bold point 1: I'm a newbie. You shifted the blame onto me. So my point is somewhat valid. However, I phrased it wrong, and I apologise for any offense caused. Twas just how it seemed to me.

To be fair, I posted that I was suspicious of you before everyone voted for you. I then wandered off, came back, and others confirmed my suspicions, so the natural thing to do was to vote for you.

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Sorry /o\ didn't mean to come across as smug.

I'm also still suspicious of Earlder, and of Kov, because of his/her changing of vote so quickly.

I can't win-if I'd been the last person to lynch Haylen, I'd be wrong, if I was the first, I'd be wrong. So nevermind.

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Except you had no qualms in initially voting for me, which is quite scummy, because you, as mafia, thought "Quick, get rid of the townie." I KNOW YOUR GAME. <-theoretically possible and reason for suspicion.

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Kov is really confusing me. They're a newbie, yet they seem to know what they're talking about. They also seem to have spectacularly changed tack, from voting really quickly, to now saying that they aren't going to do that.

I'm not sure if it's the fact that they are a newbie, or that they're scum, but it's suspicious to me.

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Sorry. I'm slightly worried about the way that Haylen's reaction to people calling her scum, and I don't want to say anything that's going to make her get any worse. I've already placed my vote, and, whilst I mentioned that I see Kov as slightly scummy, I don't really have much else to say.

I was even more talkative because I needed to get the focus away from me, because it was heading for a town lynch, and nobody wanted that.

Haylen is getting angry about people twisting her words, but I always thought that was the nature of the game? Especially if you're scum, you want to make it seem like town are scum, and so get lynched. This could be proof that she's town, or proof that she's scum, because she knows the best way to defend herself.

I've not looked at her previous games, because I believe that if you act one way in one, it doesn't mean you're going to act the same way somewhere else.

Oh, and I've just thought: she put FoS on herself when she came in. That threw me initially, and I imagine threw a couple of other people. Surely a townie wouldn't FoS herself? I think it might've been an attempt at making us think she was town, and was trying to stimulate discussion. I'm struggling to explain my reasoning, but I think it might've been a scum bluff.

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I don't see the point in repeating what has already been said, though. Sorry.

Her erratic behaviour is what the biggest problem is, it's making it difficult to pinpoint what role she has. That in itself could be a play, but I don't think it is. However, when I was challenged for getting overly emotional, I can't remember who by, I tried to explain that it was because I was a newbie. However, Haylen's not, so I can't really see any reasoning for her to be getting so emotionally involved-it's a game...

So yeah, erratic behaviour, on top of the posting of WoTs which really haven't been that useful, perhaps there is also a little OMGUS there, because I did feel angry that she had almost led a lynch on me. However, that passed quickly, and the other reasons all added up to reinforce my vote.

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Having read the WIFOM explanation on the wiki, I still don't understand. Can someone explain it in laymans terms, please?

Another reason why I kept quiet is I keep making mistakes, meaning people keep thinking I'm mafia...

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Oh. Ok. Yeah, that describes me pretty well. That's how I think of everything. It's how I figure things out, I overcomplicate them, often inadvertantly. I'll look at trying to do that less, I can see how it muddies the waters.

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But it was OK for everyone to tunnel on me earlier?

If we don't trust you, why would we believe who you say is scum. Especially 'cos you voted for me, and that's wrong...

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I don't see the point in repeating what has already been said, though. Sorry.

Her erratic behaviour is what the biggest problem is, it's making it difficult to pinpoint what role she has. That in itself could be a play, but I don't think it is. However, when I was challenged for getting overly emotional, I can't remember who by, I tried to explain that it was because I was a newbie. However, Haylen's not, so I can't really see any reasoning for her to be getting so emotionally involved-it's a game...

So yeah, erratic behaviour, on top of the posting of WoTs which really haven't been that useful, perhaps there is also a little OMGUS there, because I did feel angry that she had almost led a lynch on me. However, that passed quickly, and the other reasons all added up to reinforce my vote.

Do I really need to repeat my reasons yet again?

The initial FoS was a combination of OMGUS and actual suspicion. Then, others aired what I had been thinking, and your continued way of posting raised my suspicions further, leading me to vote, and to stick with my votes.

We're going round in circles here.

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EBWOP: I'm professional and mature enough to have explored other avenues and suspicions on other posters, meaning that the fact it was initially an OMGUS redundant, because I do genuinely think you're mafia.

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EBWOP again. And you're taking that quote out of context. I was simply asking why I should believe what you have to say, when you voted for me, despite the fact I know I'm innocent? If you've made a mistake with me, that undermines all your other credibility....

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Ok. Here's a question. Player D is very strong on Player E's lynch wagon on Day One, in fact, he is the leading participant in the lynch, it turns out that the player being lynched is a townie. Player D then claims Cop on Day Two with a guilty on Player F. Does the fact that Player D was wrong once completely undermine his claim that Player F is scum?

No. But if that happens, I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. You're the most suspcious to me atm. Sorry.

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This is another thing I don't like about you. Yes, you're V/LA, but you still find time to come in and post 1/2 liners, which don't really do much, but you don't really defend yourself.

However, everyone else has been quiet recently too. *pokes people*

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I don't think that's going to stop. If you think your words are being twisted, maybe that's a sign that those twisting it are mafia? I'm just exploring all avenues.

I'll go through the posts at some point and see what I think.

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Ok. I was just trying to do what was best to stop myself from being seen as scum. Apparently that didn't work either. So. I need to keep being active, and I need to make sure that I'm actually contributing.

I'm going to bed now, as it's like 1am nearly, but I'll re read the thread tomorrow and try and be active. Sorry and stuff.

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I object to that last statement. I'm perfectly capable of making up my own mind, and yes, Mr Flay might've influenced me a little bit, but I had my own views on you before hand.

I think you've been really unstable, so it's difficult for me to take your word. Sorry.

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Specific quotes or what?

You've been letting real life feelings seep into the game. You've gone from nicey nice to bat-insane in the space of 13 pages. You seem to be angry about everything, your reaction to people being suspicious of you has been one of rage, rather than reasoned discussion. It seems like you've let your frustration with people "twisting your words," cloud your judgement, and all in all it makes me think that either it's a really good bluff, or a really terrible one. At the minute, though, it's really quite suspicious, to me at least.

Once again, I apologise if I've misinterpreted anything, this is just the way I see things.

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Alright. Thanks for the explanation.

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zajnet has been slipping under the radar somewhat, but what about earlder? He's been prodded twice, and when he does come in to post, he says "I'll post more tomorrow."

That in itself is damaging, especially since by the time he posts tomorrow, let's say he sleeps for seven hours, that leaves a day and 16 hours ish to make a decision. He's keeping his head down, whilst occasionally posting.

I'm intrigued as to why he still thinks I'm scum, though.

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Sorry, that wasn't directed at you. I mentioned you slipping under the radar in a prelude to then mentioning earlder and how most people have forgotten about him.

Don't worry! I have no more suspicion on you that I already had. Apologies for the misunderstanding.

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What argument? He just misunderstood who I was directing my suspicions at. I believe.

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On the other hand, I think that Haylen's been better analytically. Yes, she did lead the vote against me, but she was actually doing

something

.

Whereas Zajnet hasn't done much at all. But, then, we need to give him a chance to explain himself, whereas Haylen's had plenty of opportunities.

I dunno though. I'm happy to stick with Haylen, but I'm also happy to go across to Zajnet if needs be.

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I'll just quickly defend myself and say that I'm still learning how to play, but I'll bear that in mind, earlder.

In other, more annoying news.

It's nearly midnight where I am, I dunno what timezones everyone else in in, but I assume the American ones. So, I'm gonna be unconscious for at least 6 hours, possibly 9. I apologise for this. I'm going to

unvote

so as a quicklynch doesn't occur before the Zajnet situation has been explored.

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Because Haylen was on L-1 as well, so Earlder or rudeboy could just come in and lynch her...

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EDBWOP Let's say Earlder or a2rudeboy is Zajnet's scumbuddy. And they see he's getting heat. So, they could've quicklynched Haylen before my unvote, meaning that they could then night kill Flay, or whoever else was most vehement at Zajnet. So, by unvoting, I'm preventing that from happening until I wake up again.

Sorry if that isn't the right thing to do. It made sense at the time. you were unvoting from zajnet, keeping him from L-1, I was unvoting from Haylen to do the same.

You posted at the same time as me x] That makes it redundant. I'll leave it up so people can see my way of thinking, however.

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Well, I was just using you both as an example 'cos you both aren't on either of the lynch wagons.

Also that was me being incredibly thick, and forgetting you'd already voted Zajnet. You were on a lynch wagon, and that was me making a monumental mistake x]

Apologies! But yeah, my point about rudeboy stands.

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Oh, mod: you've still got earlder voting me on the latest round up post.

/actually goes to sleep.

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Nothing's changed. So, I'll put my vote back on.

Vote: Haylen

Same reasons as last time. I just didn't want a quicklynch whilst I was asleep.

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If we're going by a newbie, then surely it's likely to be Kov? For the reasons from Day 1.

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Still waiting for Kov to touch base as well, though. I'm as suspicious of him as I was before the lynch. Likewise with Zajnet.

I don't think we should vote anyone yet either, though.

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Ok.

Going through the past posts, I noticed that Haylen, for all her faults, was building quite a big case on Mr. Flay. Having read jmurph's post as well, I'm beginning to feel that Haylen had a point. Once Mr. Flay got involved, it was difficult for anyone else to get accused. Yes, Zajnet ended up on L-1 too, but I think that was more to do with the fact he had been lurking, whereas Haylen was lynched because the case against her from Flay.

On Kov: I think his post, post 417, indicates he's town, because if he was mafia, that would be a stupid thing to say. "How do you know flay will make it through the night" reeks of trying to make a joke as a townie. HOWEVER. a2rudeboy had a vote on Kov for a long period of time on Day 1, so it might be a revenge kill.

On Earlder: I think that yes, he said "I'm voting you because you posted first" to Zajnet, but I don't think that this means he's scum. However, the fact that he then claimed that it was jokey, backpedalling is in my opinion a sure way to get yourself under suspicion, because it shows desperation to not be lynched. He then tells us to look at his iso post for his actual reasons, why not say that in the first place? Day 2 isn't a day for jokes, as a townie, especially when the town is 2 down. So, that's suspicious to me.

On Zajnet: I find it slightly suspicious that he's gone from lurking to being the first Day 2 poster. However, that might be him being a townie, not wanting the lurking suspicion on him anymore, as it's distracting. I'm gonna watch how he posts for the next couple of days. Also, it was a2rudeboy who put him at L-1 so the kill might've come from him for almost getting him lynched first day.

On Beefster: I'm surprised he wasn't killed last night as well, along with Flay, because they were two of the more analytical. So, that's slightly suspicious. PLus, by bringing up "I'm surprised they didn't lynch me," it could be seen as a scum trying to cover up himself because he is desperate to avoid being seen as scum.

On jmurph: No real suspicion, as I haven't had all game.

On Mr Flay: Tunnelled Haylen, he knows her better than most of us, so probably knew this was how she acted as town, and went ahead anyway. So, most suspicious.

FoS: Earlder1

Vote: Mr Flay

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Once again, to give Flay the chance to defend himself, I'll

unvote

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I did vote for Haylen, but that was for my own reasons. It's already been discussed that I am scum, and I've refuted them over and over again. Your "+5 buddy points" point thing I can explain in that I was just rambling, and didn't take a moment to order my thoughts before posting.

I realised I made a mistake voting Haylen, but her instability was damaging to the game, so I don't necessarily regret it.

As it is, I'm suspicious of you and Zajnet. I'm refraining from voting for you as I don't want someone to quicklynch before others have aired their views, or you've satisfactorily defended yourself.

Clearly Haylen must have had some good points otherwise you wouldn't be demanding Zajnet to make his own case. Why make his own case, when Haylen's appears to be causing you discomfort?

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Sorry, that should be "I realise now that voting Haylen was a mistake."

Also, you're not on L-1. I unvoted to give you a chance to explain yourself. You've still not really defended yourself, you're just telling us what we're doing wrong. Cast suspicion on someone else if you don't want to go back to L-1, or show me why I'm wrong.

So basically we should ignore everyone else's play because they're now dead? Seems like a fruitless exercise to me-If we're agreeing to what Haylen said, why does that mean you can't then argue against us, if we have the same train of thought. Plus, if someone says "I didn't say that," especially if they've already posted in agreement to whatever "that" is, then they have like...zero defense, and that'd be a scummy thing to say.

I've already outlined the reasons why I think you're scum, and you at least refuted one of those ones-the tunnelling. Which is why I'm continuing not to vote, until I've looked at other people. Stop getting so defensive when you're only at L-2, and help find someone else, otherwise you're probably going to get lynched.

I think most of us are probably aware of the consequences of lynching wrongly today, we don't need you to reiterate it again.

I was entirely wrong on Day 1, I admit that. I just went with the player who was acting most suspicious, in my eyes, and that was Haylen.

Y'know, I'm slightly suspicious of Beefster. His latest post doesn't really say anything at all...

More suspicious of Kov, though. He's gone from being really active on Day 1 to saying next to nothin today, whilst we all wagon on Flay and Zajnet. I think we need to take a closer look at Kov.

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Sorry. I just don't see the point in re-explaining myself over and over, especially when people don't seem to listen anyway. So I lost my temper.

It's not a threat, I was merely pointing out the way I see it: if Flay continues to be really defensive, and just argue, it's probably not going to help him, I don't mean it to be like "talk or you're gonna die..." because I don't really have any control over that.

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Oh great.

Well, I'm not the doctor either. Zajnet: can you explain your reasons for, as a doctor, playing the way you've played, please? To give us some kind of idea as to why you were so lurky and quite anti-town, only posting to defend yourself?

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I don't quite understand why beefster's voting Zaj, when noone's counterclaimed.

beefster, would you mind explaining your reasoning?

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I've not posted because I'm so confused about the Zajnet situation, so I was waiting to see how he explained it. I'm still confused.

I thought Zajnet was an experienced player, so find it difficult to see him make such a silly mistake.

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*to understand how he could make such a silly mistake.

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@singersigner *shrug* If you have any questions for me, I'll be happy to answer them.

As a side note, my activity may be somewhat limited this weekend. I'll be able to read, but not necessarily post (unless a lynch is looking likely, in which case I'll make time.)

v/LA until the 18th August from tomorrow

as it's my 21st birthday and my girlfriend is coming to visit.

Noted

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This'll probaly be one of the last things I'll say before I go v/LA, but I unvoted to give Flay a chance to explain himself. I haven't put my vote back on because I haven't felt the need to yet.

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I'd like to know, just for future reference and some such so as I know what to do next time. (Since this is a newbie game and all).

I think it's a given you're probably gone for the next night, so we need to make sure today we find a townie.

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EBWOP!

...damnit.

That'll teach me to post straight after waking up. We need to make sure we find a scum! Not a townie. Townie would be very bad indeed!

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Yeah, I know. I wouldn't have asked that if I hadn't have been cleared, that would've been even stupider than my current play xP

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Hope this is alright, thought I'd try and be helpful.

BagSquad/Kov/Singersigner:

Bagsquad didn't really do much-four posts: random vote, unvote two days later, telling millar13 to behave, and then to claim he was reading the thread. Which didn't amount to anything except replacement.

Kov. Says it's his first game. Fine. Answer's Haylen's questions, but from BagSquad's perspective...not sure how that's possible, but whatever. He votes me, but then apologises for it, but still keeps his vote on. He didn't give a reason for himself, either, he just said "Most people who have voted you gave a reason, if you want I can quote them." He doesn't quote them.

He then tried to justify his vote on me, when challenged by jmurph3, as a "gambit." Except, he was happy to sacrifice a townie for his own ends. Fair enough. He then says "Even if I bait you and failed miserably." Bait me into what, exactly? I'm town, so why would I deliberately make myself look scummier when I've got nothing to lose.

Posted fluff.

When challenged about his vote, he decides he should suddenly ISO (yeah, reading the thread is a good idea), and unvotes.

He talks about the night kill. However, it is Flay who picks up on it, and as we know, Flay was scum. So, that leads me to believe that Kov is town, and Flay's trying to hang him out to dry-he could be betraying his scumbuddy, but since there's only two of them, what would be the point?

He went from being happy to vote, to not wanting to vote until near the deadline, which was confusing to say the least.

His last four posts-two of them were vote changing. Take from that what you will.

Singersigner: First post is good analysis, so well done there. There's not a lot else in her posts except general analysis of people which was/is mostly correct, imo.

I think Singersigner is town, purely because of the way Flay talks about Kov's mentioning of NK in an attempt to get him lynched. I can't see why Flay would lynch his only other scumbuddy.

Beefster:

First post: Random vote. Second post: Making sure the mod sees a vote against a confirmed (now) townie? Why would he care that early in the game? Seems alittle scummy.

He then unvoted, and then argues with Millar-as did most of us.

Votes Vamparific for no real reason or substance. Trying to get another wagon going to get rid of another town? Hmm.

He forgets that he had a vote on Vampirific when Haylen asks him. "Forgets."

His first real suspicions are of me: confirmed townie, and jmurph3: confirmed cop. And his third suspect is Haylen. So, three townies. Pretty hard to do unless you know who your scumbuddy is-it's possible, but highly unlikely.

He changes his vote from me, to jmurph, to Haylen, in the space of three days. I see this as scummy. He was also considering changing votes to Zajnet, another townie. SO, that's 4. I mean, I had suspicions of two of them, but even so.

He was sure he would be killed because he's a "pro-town" player. Why would a pro-town player say that? Surely you'd want to not highlight that. So yeah, I'm not liking him.

Votes for Zajnet despite Zajnet revealing his role.

Vote's Nikanor, but hasn't said anything since.

I'm very suspicious of Beefster.

Earlder1/Nikanor:

Random vote on me. Fair enough. Asks for previous experience...I don't really see the point, but whatever. Doesn't say anything for the entire millar13 drama.

His suspicions are: Haylen, Kov, myself, and jmurph. Three of them are town, and I believe Kov is too.

He puts Zajnet at L-1, but tells people to wait to hammer him. Possible scum-coaching? Although, his other scum buddy was Flay, who was on the Haylen wagon, so I dunno whether he'd hammer Zajnet having been such a follower of the Haylen wagon. So, I don't see too much in that.

Votes Zajnet the next day for being first day poster. Whatever.

He's another one who has only had suspicions on pro-town players. He also had very little interaction with Flay, whether that's a scumtell or not, Idk.

Nikanor hasn't done anything. Although, I don't like that it'll take three weeks to catch up, that's quite anti-town. Whatever.

Out of the three, I think Beefster is scum. His reasoning for voting Nikanor is flimsy-have you had that much interaction with Flay, Beefster? You were on the Flay wagon during the lynch, and you were on the Haylen wagon with myself, Flay and jmurph during the lynch of her. I haven't sene you and Flay talk all that much, though.

FoS:Beefster

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Damnit bbcode tag fail.

Ignore the "I haven't seen you and Flay talk all that much, though, and the interaction with Flay bit. I meant to delete them, but got distracted-thinking about it, that's not really that good a case.

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Just because I'm confirmed town, it's not guaranteed that we'll win. So, I thought I'd best get round to doing stuff and trying to weed out this remaining scum.

I'll be honest-I was convinced Kov was scum. However, reading through his iso, the fact that Flay almost threw him to the lions meant that I've lost some suspicion of him. That's not to say it's not still there, but eh.

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I know. I re read it all at the end of Day 2. It didn't take three weeks. It took about an hour.

Why didn't you start catching up from Friday when you first posted, out of interest?

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Fair enough, I apologise Nikanor if I've caused any offence.

singersigner I will do. Don't worry too much about the game-RL comes first.

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Please do go into specifics at some point, we could really use a lead x]

Your avatar makes my eyes hurt.

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Sorry x: I need to remember to be good. I apologise to all for my language. (although that was then checked by CSL and he said I was fine) But I'll be good.

I said I was most suspicious of Beefster, so if jmurph agrees, I'd be happy to vote for him.

Why are we gonna hate you? x]

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Well, more the fact jmurph is the cop, and she's at risk if we get it wrong...

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Singersigner if he's threatening to self-hammer, would you mind unvoting just so as we can wait and see Beefster's post, please?

Nikanor calm the hell down. I want to cover all eventualities, and want to see what Beefster has got to say for himself.

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Also, I point you to general rule 1. CSL made a point of reiterating it during the game, and I wouldn't wish for your slot to be mod killed, so just tone it down, y'know?

I mean, I'm not fussed, but as I don't personally know the others, I can't really comment on how they'll react. Better to be safe than sorry, non?

Also, don't self-hammer. In no way will that be helpful.

Also, please don't misquote me. Tnx.

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I'm not trying to get rid of you, I'm sure you have some kind of purpose, I'm just asking you to tone it down a little

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Will you stop with the foul and abusive language, please. Jeez.

Look, I'm inclined to agree with you that scum would be stupid to self-hammer, BUT it also could be used as a threat "I'll self-hammer if you vote me and you'll lose a townie." So, it makes people think again.

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It's highly likely that Beefster would be my next target, yes. However, I don't want to discount the possibility of singersigner being scum just yet.

That said, I don't want to vote you yet either. I want to try and gather more information either way before anyone gets lynched.

Beefster's analysis holds a lot of water, but I'm not entirely convinced that the scum would, if they can talk together, make sure they were away from each other for the whole game-it's too easy to pick up on.

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Seems alright to me, CSL. It provides the information needed, but it's concise.

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jmurph, I sure hope you can help me make sense of all this when you get back tomorrow. I actually am struggling to make a decision.

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Ok, going back to do my own isos/analysis/things like such as. I will post more thoughts either later tonight or tomorrow. Thanks for your input Beefster. I'll take that into account when I'm looking at you two again tonight.

Hey singersigner, any chance you could get to this? I'm interested to see your thoughts.

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That's it? That's your grand argument to stop me voting you?

Are you serious?

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I've probably made a mistake, but since he's all but given up:

I can't say much more about singersigner than I haven't already said, since she was v/la for the whole day until nikanor got modkilled. Soooo:

Beefster:

41 posts as a VT, lynched Day 3. 41 posts out of 543. 7%
34 posts as MG, End game. 34 out of 396. 8%
37 posts as MG, lynched Day 2. 37 out of 276. 13%
18 posts as MG, lynched Day 1. 18 out of 340. 5%
40 posts as VT, lynched Day 1. 40 out of 499. 8%
29 posts as VT, killed Endgame. 29 out of 456. 6%
72 posts as ?, Day 4. 72 out of 695. 10%

More active in his games a scum. Marginally. Yeah, probably pointless, but eh.

He votes Mr. Flay. Probably agreed upon to deflect suspicion off himself. This is backed up by his attempted arguments re: Nikanor/earlder.

He voted, on Day 1, 4 confirmed town/town PRs, and then Kov/Singersigner. Day two, he votes 3 confirmed town/town PRs, and then Mr Flay. Day 3, he votes a now confirmed Town.

I can't see past Beefster. I think he's scum.

The fact is, I can't see a scummer slot flaking out twice. So, I can't see Singersigner's slot as scum. This, coupled with my earlier reasons, coupled with the fact I think Beefster is scummy, leads to this:

VOTE: Beefster

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Damn. I'm sorry Beefster. I was convinced you were scum.

I should've kept with the Kov wagon when it first went.

My sincerest apologies to everyone.

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I'll also say that Beefster, not voting singersigner didn't really help matters either. It just appeared to me that you were giving up.

Once again, apologies.

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Sorry Haylen.

I tried my best, but in my defence, it was my first ever game. I went with who I thought was scum. I got it wrong. I'll learn from it. It's a newbie game for a reason.

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Might I ask why we can't see the QT?

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Oh. Ok. Well. No, it's fine. I was just wondering is all.

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Also, NEXUS, I told you that we'd talk about your play style after the game if you wanted, so if you have any questions about what people found scummy/why they found it scummy on D1, just ask.

Go go gadget answers plz

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THANKS FOR MODDING CSL.

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