Mini #1022- PokeUPick(Game Over)

[Xite91]

/confirm.

I've been wondering if, in this game, a mass name-claim would be useful. I know in previous U-Picks it's been productive, and I wanted to see what opinions are.

/Confirm

Bv, we'll discuss that during the day.

[Xite91]

I'll full claim, because it will help town much more that way, I think.
Also, I want you guys to direct me tonight...

[Xite91]

Ice Punch:NicolBolas

for disagreeing

I lol'd. I take it you're breadcrumbing?

[Xite91]

I say we go for it, I have no problem being the first, and again I ask, do people want me to full claim, considering it will help town?

[Xite91]

Alright

Well, I am the Water Type
Each night I get to choose one player to do water-type damage to (Vig)
Which is why I wanted to claim, I want it to be town directed, and I don't think the doc should worry about me, the kill still goes through if I'm NK'd, and I'm sure there's better PR's to protect.

[Xite91]

How the hell are you a type? What did you send in as a choice?

I'm Eevee, by the way. I was going to pick Magikarp, but I figured Eevee'd be more fun. I don't want to claim my abilities just yet, though.

I asked if I could be a type, and if I could I wanted to be water
Then I said if I couldn't I wanted to be Gary Oak

[Xite91]

Well not exactly a single-person direct, but rather a list of the people that I should consider, which I will comment on and choose out of the list I give back to you based on your opinions

[Xite91]

Sorry if I was unclear, what you guys agreed to was exactly what I meant
I'm not going to say who I picked so as not to let scum mess with things.
Lol did everyone pick pokemon?

Off being lurkers. I BET THAT THEY'RE SCUM WITH DAYTALK WHO HATE JESUS. THEY'RE PROBABLY THINKING UP A FAKECLAIM OMFGZ!!!!!!!! Okay, maybe they don't hate Jesus. And forget the fact that there's way too many to make up a scumteam. >.<

I lol'd a bit, that should be put on display somewhere

Vote: Prox

Partly because I want to RVS OMGUS for Nicol and partly because the reasoning for that vote was awful IMO

[Xite91]

That, or I've never played vig before and I feel for my first game doing such it's easier to be town-directed

[Xite91]

Alright

Well, I am the Water Type
Each night I get to choose one player to do water-type damage to (Vig)
Which is why I wanted to claim, I want it to be town directed, and I don't think the doc should worry about me, the kill still goes through if I'm NK'd, and I'm sure there's better PR's to protect.

This pretty much summed it up without quoting it, which is not something I plan to do

[Xite91]

Eh, I love the show as a kid, watched a lot of it, played a few of the games, then got banned from it altogether (Uber christian mom), then when I moved out, got back into it. I'm re-playing fire red now too

[Xite91]

Although, now that I think about it, this won't really do much good since it only has to do with setup spec. and gaming the mod... Why do I not think of these things BEFORE I post???
Nicol, is what is your reasoning for asking?

[Xite91]

Alright

Well, I am the Water Type
Each night I get to choose one player to do water-type damage to (Vig)
Which is why I wanted to claim, I want it to be town directed, and I don't think the doc should worry about me, the kill still goes through if I'm NK'd, and I'm sure there's better PR's to protect.

This pretty much summed it up without quoting it, which is not something I plan to do

Answered it twice.

This was about the flavor I can give without quoting it completely

There ya go.
Also, yes partly that, and partly (because I was getting into the card game) because she felt I was too impressionable and liable to get obsessed lulz

[Xite91]

I was questioning jimfinn because the mod had said only kanto/johto. Also, Prox, usually when players can kill, they are told their kill flavor, i.e. how their target will appear as having been killed in the morning. I was wondering, since if someone shows up the next morning as having been killed through said flavor, it will basically confirm Xine. Also, Xine is not confirmed yet. SK claiming vig is not at all uncommon. But water type is an unlikely SK role, so if that really is her role, then she should have a plausible kill flavor, and someone should show up as killed in that way if there are two NKs. If we have two NKs, but neither is the claimed kill flavor, then Xine is lying SK. PREVIEW EDIT: That said, it's clear that Xine was not told her kill flavor..... Presumably, we'll know in the morning.

Unvote, Vote: Gandalf

For not reading, this is typically a scum trait

[Xite91]

I had read, I saw you post that multiple times, I just didn't understand why you were doing it. It just hit me what you were talking about.

Uhm, after you were the one that asked about it? That seems a bit odd of a thing to slip through the cracks, no?
My vote stays.

Also, espionage, that usually works... if you don't vote for the person and just watch them, trust me, I'm a professional.
Case, plox

[Xite91]

Yes, but you didn't post an explanation for quoting something you had already said. I didn't see the lack of a kill flavor in that post as proof that you didn't receive one. So I wasn't sure why you were doing it.

That, sir, WAS my kill flavour (as far as I'm aware)

[Xite91]

Well, in the morning, it isn't going to say, "gandalf5166 killed by water damage" in the morning.

You never know, it might, or something to the effect of a water-type move? Or maybe just drowning lulz

[Xite91]

But eh, I do understand your reasoning, so I'm going to

Unvote, Vote espionage

Case, plox

[Xite91]

PREVIEW EDIT: I spy a blatant bandwagon.

Who else voted? Also, I'm trying to give him a bit more incentive to give his case

Preview Edit
More for pressure ATM, but could easily become for scum given the way esp is acting

[Xite91]

xite: vote:prox for pointing out that nicol was pointing out lurkers

Flavor claim withheld until other player show up.

First, wrong, not my reason for voting him

Second, hold out for quote 2

I'm Office Jenny.

After 1 post from a player that's been posting?
Why for?

[Xite91]

Okay, why did you guys pick non-Pokemon? Just wondering. Because I didn't even think about choosing a person, or a type, or whatever. The only question was which Pokemon was my favorite.

Also, condensing a paragraph of a post down to one or two words leads to some pretty major misrep.

Why does that first part have anything to do with the game? It came to me in a dream, k? (Maybe that's just what I wanted to be?)

Bolded. Considering those things had to do with nothing else in the post? There's no misrep there, just a lack of what isn't needed/intended for me. Not seeing what you're getting at here either...

[Xite91]

The first part had nothing to do with the game, just curious. Second part was referring to MBF's terrible summary.

Oh ok, my bad

[Xite91]

How about this: vote count please mod. Please no one else vote until we get a count

I'm trying to keep track of all the wagons, but I just want to make sure I have it all correct.

o.o?

Yeah, pretty much every post has been successfully misrepped.

How so? It just looked like his opinion of the game to me, also how do you misrep role-claims?
It'd be nice if you pointed this stuff out for future reference kthnx

I don't think that two Eevee claims = one must be scum. I might if it were any Pokemon other than Eevee.

You never know, maybe they'll evolve into two different evolutions of eevee

[Xite91]

@Mod - We could just tell you who we're voting

[Xite91]

gandalf case coming soon.

FoS: bv

I want a post from you.

Of course it is, when? D4, 5 if we get that far?

[Xite91]

Gandalf case coming

soon

, and not immediately, cause he has to go make one up real quick.

I'm gonna make a prediction, that being that we don't get it at all D1.

[Xite91]

Gandalf is scummy again. I believe he is scum. DIE.
Someone claimed Officer Jenny?
Intresting.

vote gandalf

No one claimed Officer Jenny, it was an example they were using, read the WHOLE game plox
Also, we're already going through this with Esp. Do you really have to start too?
Why is he scummy?

[Xite91]

Kill: Esp

*Waits silently*
...
...
...
Well, it was worth a shot /shrug

[Xite91]

Also, I apologize for embarrassingly sheeping on the subject of your alleged "misrep." Reading it again, I didn't see the inaccurate statements I had earlier, and I'm sure I just skimmed the thread and gathered an osmosis opinion from the screaming of Xite, Gandalf, and Prox.

Yeah, pretty much every post has been successfully misrepped.

How so? It just looked like his opinion of the game to me, also how do you misrep role-claims?
It'd be nice if you pointed this stuff out for future reference kthnx

Osmosis from me? Weird...

Espeonage is probably not scum. The wagon on him grew too fast.

What, you mean the wagon of 3 people? For something he's doing that's scummy?
And IIRC it was over a few pages too?
I'm going to call you as his buddy if he's scum

Yeah. "Everyone thinks he's scum, so he can't be scum." Wtf? And by the way, if a wagon starts on my scumbuddy, I immediately jump on. So the whole, "the wagon must be made of townies if it hits scum" idea is wrong.

Rant much?
First part, what she said would make sense if it wasn't just 3 people on the wagon.
Second, okay? Noted?

[Xite91]

Espeonage is probably not scum. The wagon on him grew too fast.

That's how I felt as well. Although now I'm preparing to jump on it myself if he doesn't start playing seriously.

Mod: Can we get a Milktank-prod on kyle? He's being awefully Snorlax here.

Again, you mean the wagon of like, 3 people? How is that too fast in a few pages?

bolded. I lol'd

[Xite91]

Espeonage [3] gandalf5166, Xite91, Prox

gandalf5166 [4] Espeonage, mikeburnfire, vezokpiraka, Switz

Pulling a Vezo on someone that's it's a little more likely to work with
Gandalf is town because the wagon on him grew too fast.
Now Vezo, give other reasons, kthnxbai

[Xite91]

Nonono, I'm not saying he's town because the wagon grew so fast, I'm saying I (have a null-read) and (am reading him closer than other players because the wagon grew so fast). Hopefully parenthetical separation clarifies my meaning.

That was more a slam against Vezo, if you couldn't tell.
Why did you get so defensive?

[Xite91]

I felt you were comparing me to Vezo and misreading me. I wanted my meaning to be clear.

My post had nothing to do with you, if it did, I would have made it abundantly clear.
You seem

really

jumpy, os IGMEOY

[Xite91]

OMG!

Unvote Vote: Shotty

For everything you've done! lol

Unvote, Vote: Esp

[Xite91]

I see you, bv310. C'mon, post please.

He won't. its his meta lol

[Xite91]

Vote: Xite

for old times sake, jk

unvote

I can see us being good rivals, so to save myself the trouble, I have to ask, are you scum?

[Xite91]

Nope how about you?

Not this time round. But for some reason I can see you being scum

Oy. Nearly Forgot I was playing this game.

Catchup post will be in by tomorrow. Going to work now.

We shall see.

[Xite91]

1) Long version: Throughout this game, Gandalf's been playing very aggressively. He's one of the more frequent posters, but despite this, there's very little content in his posts. In fact, I think it's safe to say there's no scumhunting in any of his play so far.

2) In the span of 15 minutes, Gandalf convinces Xite to claim by encouraging him to commit to his promise to be the first and his promise that there is a Doc waiting to protect him. Aside from the fact that this reasoning is opposite (which someone else pointed out, I don't remember who), this is just anti-town. The pro-town move to make would be to make sure Xite doesn't claim until more than, say, half the people in the game have had a chance to weigh in. Xite's claim broke down the floodgates, encouraging everyone else to join the massclaim.

3) Now, if Gandalf is scum, as I believe him to be, this course of action serves multiple purposes. It forces the town to focus on claims and keeps them from doing any initial scumhunting based on gameplay; instead we're theorizing based on claims. It also, in this particular case, convinced someone who appears to be a power role to claim. Regardless of Xite's alignment, this is bad for us; if he's really the Vig, he's now exposed and likely to get picked off, if he's scum pretending to be Vig, he's been outed in an attempt to gain our trust. And it accelerates the game's speed before everyone can weigh in. Scum have everything to gain from us moving faster than we should and not thinking about our actions.

4) Again, he sees someone hesitating to claim and pushes them over the edge. The only difference is this time he uses the stick instead of the carrot; whereas before claiming would warrant the protection of a Doc, now not claiming has the stigma of being labeled non-town. And his actions afterwards are even more interesting. Which leads me to my next point...

5) Through the game, Gandalf hasn't been actually coming up with any unique theories or arguments against anyone, at least not any with evidence. What he'd rather do instead is parrot back the beliefs of others to gain support. Like in this lovely exchange right after Nicol does claim.

6) Now, Gandalf hasn't been quite as guilty of these former offenses lately, because he's been busy trying to make everyone else (especially Espeonage, MBF, and Vezo) look scummy instead, and this is how: by pushing their apparent scumminess down our throats until we believe it. I'm not going to post quotes here because most of the posts I would quote are so short they'd waste space, but their message is always the same. If it's about Espy, he's saying that he lacks a case and is scummy. If it's about MBF, he starts talking about how his summary "misreps" everyone. If it's about Vezo, Vezo's making up the scumGandalf meta he's using. You get the drift.

7) The point is, if he pushes these ideas long enough, we're going to start believing them. But there's no hard evidence to back any of these assertions up. Espeonage could be making up the case, but we have no way of knowing. MBF could be misrepping, but no one has come forward with examples. Etc. But Gandalf doesn't need any evidence anyways as long as he can convince us to go after people like Espy without thinking about it.

1) I lol'd a bit. It's only a 9 page game, and since when does playing aggressive = scum? If that was the case I would be scum 85-90% of the time, which, come on, that's just against statistics.
2) I was already going to claim, I just figured it'd be better to ask first (don't ask me why, I just did) I even said I don't want a doc to protect me tonight.
3) Getting claims out now will help later in the game, even just name claims
4) IIRC by this time, weren't there already a good amount of claims? I can only see relevance with this if it were coaching, but eh, again we'll see.
5) I can actually see your point in the first example, but the second... that just looks like you're grasping for whatever you can get
6) Esp needs to post a case in his next post (why is he suddenly AWOL anyways?) because he's been trying to convince us that he's scummy but not saying why, I agree with your point with MBF (although I think he backed off with that one, but I'd have to go back and check), and if it's the truth with the fake scum meta then Vezo needs to shut up about it, also she's not really scumhunting IMO.
One point I do agree with on this (even though it seems more implied than said) is that he's going after the likely targets, but it's D1 and that will happen.
7) Okay, so now you're setting us up for "If we agree with him, it's all part of his plan." In other words, discrediting him for the rest of the game.

So, I would love to vote you, but I really want a case from Esp (since what he's doing is one of those things that just piss me off, even when I do it )
So for now

FoS: Switz

For conveying a case in a more scummy light than it actually is, grasping for bad examples and making them seem like good ones, and setting up a player to be discredited for the rest of the game.

[Xite91]

Hmm. I'll wait for Gandalf, bv310, and Espeopnage to post before i make up my mind..

Hmmm.... a great way to be an opportunistic voter, no?

[Xite91]

True.

I just see several people being scummy. I'm not sure which to vote, that's the problem.

I want to see what Gandalf has to say RE: switz's case.

If i had to vote right now, i probably would vote Espeonage, but I'm starting to think Espeonage may not be scum. I need them to post before i can do anything.

bv promised a post, so i'm hoping that he will post it.

I see, but why don't you just vote for who you think is scummiest, give a reason why, and do that whenever someone tops your scum list?
Also, I'm not positive esp is scum either, but with his not making a case/going AWOL when put under pressure, I think he could be and by putting my vote on him (and hoping for more people to do so as well) I'm hoping he'll come back and give us said case.

[Xite91]

Xite- my usage of votes is on whoever i would like to see lynched at that moment i vote. I'm not sure between several people, so instead of placing a vote and changing it when a player posts, i'm choosing to wait until one of the players i mentioned posts, then i'll vote after that. It wont make much difference either way in my opinion.

???
Please rephrase this.

[Xite91]

I believe that whenever i vote somebody, my vote should be on the person i would like to lynch.

As of right now, I'm not sure, between several options possible to me, so instead of placing a vote and then changing it after a player posts, i'm choosing to wait until a player that i previously mentioned posts, then i'll vote, because a post from them will be able to allow me to choose who i feel is more scummy.

I believe that my reclutance to vote is not something that would impact the game, because i will be voting quite soon.

Is that more clearer?

Alright gotcha.
That last line before looked like you had already made up your mind but were waiting for one of them

any of them

to post before voting.
Also, you look kinda like you're fence-sitting

[Xite91]

Oh for the love of god. If I had a dollar for every "I'll post later" post in this game, I wouldn't need to save for a new laptop.

Also, Xite, don't pretend like you know my meta. We've played one game together.

Anyway, I've reread the last few pages, and I have to admit, Espeonage is the biggest standout to me. His refusal to provide a case while still trying to push a lynch is extremely scummy.

Prox is worse though. Softclaiming a scan problem, then not elaborating is a pretty basic scum tactic of claiming Miller.

Bolded. Actually 2 or 3, but you stopped posting after you confirmed.
That's why I said you would this time, too. But eh, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and we'll see how this game turns out.

[Xite91]

Oh yeah, forgot about that one. Not my best moment (committed to too many games at one time). I'm usually quite a bit better than that.

Like I said, benefit of the doubt, now, who's scum?

[Xite91]

One more goddamn person refuses to give their case when they vote and I swear to god they're going to be my target tonight

[Xite91]

sorry xite, my foot is veryyyy broken, and I am very drugged up. I will out the best case i can together later tonight

I'll be waiting, and I see that as an excuse because I know how meds work (I had to replace out of a few games because of the meds I had to be on for about a week and a half)
But I do expect to see that case, and based on what you saw before your vote (because otherwise why would you have voted?)

[Xite91]

VOTE: xite rereading his role claim way back there, I'm feeling something just a little farfetch'd about it. a bit fishy too. /bad jokes. but seriously, xite is pushing everyone way too hard right now I'd say. He's trying to make everyone else make a case, when he's not making much of one himself.

I lol'd at the jokes.
I am scum hunting, will show you how after this

SHOTTY STOP BUDDYING TO ME ASS HOLE.

Okay, now that that's over I will show you where I scum hunted by ISO number

1, 2, 3, 7, 11, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 20, 22, 24, 26, 28, 29, 30, 32, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 43, 45

Most of the rest were responding to what other people were saying, and there were maybe 3 or 4 that did nothing.
Any questions?

FOS Jarti

case coming later.

You have no idea the extent to which I lol'd.

Well because had I remained active I could have posted this case as soon as was perfectly applicible for amximum effect. It has worked for me before.

A lot of things could effect this, including town reactions can be similar to scum reactions so on and so forth.
but, you did give your case, so {

Unvote

Oh yeah, and Shotty is scum

Vote:Shotty

[Xite91]

I have some shotty meta from an ongoing game. This is fair town from him.

so do I and I say it's not
It has to do with the buddying and the FoS on Nicol with no reasoning, and no apparent reason to, unless he's going based on my points against Nicol, in which case, it goes back to the buddying, see?

[Xite91]

Espeonage is probably not scum. The wagon on him grew too fast.

That's how I felt as well. Although now I'm preparing to jump on it myself if he doesn't start playing seriously.

Again, you mean the wagon of like, 3 people? How is that too fast in a few pages?

1) Simply because it was easy to attack him, and

a lot of

the votes were "Oh yeah me too" votes.

2)@Xite
How telling, that you would so readily come to Gandalf's defense. You actually spent time to tear down Switz's case on Gandalf, and really don't seem to give any consideration to the possibility that Gandalf is actually scum. If we lynch Gandalf and he turns up scum, I will look at you next.

3) Xite91 - You made a good case against gandalf, but not much else. I like the cut of your jib though.

4) mikeburnfire - Keep being awesome.

1) What you mean a lot of the three votes? That were for pressure? Are you implying that there was scum in those three people? Or is this just because Gandalf was the first person on the wagon?
2) Uhm, I was just making the point that the gandalf wagon "grew too fast" because it grew in about the same amount of time, but there were and still are.
Also, the switz case looked like crap to me and I was pointing out why.
3) O.o? When did I do that?
4) I lol'd

[Xite91]

Sorry, I switched your names around.

Switz - You made a good case against gandalf, but not much else. I like the cut of your jib though.
Xite91 - We'll see what to make of you in due time.

If I recall correctly, Espeonage said "No case right now", and racked up some fast votes, which were not meant for pressure but legitimate votes. It certainly felt like a speedlynch was in the works.

k. Gotcha
Mine was for pressure, I'm not sure about the other two, but two isn't too fast was all I was trying to point out. Quicklynches don't happen after 3 votes.

Also, look at the points for the gandalf lynch

[Xite91]

Vote gandalf

This is why he's scum.
Also a strong gut feeling

[Xite91]

do you want me to claim or something xite? cause I'm not sure how much you'll believe it.
Any way

Unvote
Vote Xite

It's scummy to take every little thing and turn it against people and misrep them without giving them a chance to explain themselves, sorry I voted your partner

Go for it... Wait, isn't it against the rules to claim scum?
You didn't show any desire to explain yourself, and you were voting for the leading wagon?

Ya he isn't getting lynched today I just got mad and voted cause I was mad now really what I think we should do is start either an esppeonage wagon or a vezo wagon, We need more info before we go to day two, Gandalf may be todays lynch but a wagin on these to may make sense of the night actions and help us in D-2

Unvote
Vote: Espeonage

Nice try.

Hot damn, DMSIS is playing his scum meta.

VOTE: DMSIS

Note: I'm still for an Espeo lynch, but DMSIS is ssssssoooooo scummy right now.

could you give links to said meta?

[Xite91]

I will provide links to all my done games in my next post

No, I want GAndalf to show me his proof for how this is your scum meta. Do not provide your links until he has done so, please

[Xite91]

my mfaia games
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... &start=400
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 11&t=14759
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... &start=425
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... &start=725
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 50&t=14105

My town games
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 23&t=14660
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 51&t=14151
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... &start=450

Three more games are almost over will link to them when they end. Have fun meta reading me
I posted all my games, have Gandalf point out which ones he wants you to read

You're an idiot, and when you flip scum I'll be sure to look way further into gandalf

[Xite91]

Would you like me to claim xite?

Again, I'm pretty sure it's against the rules to claim scum, but go for it

[Xite91]

I am ampharos and my pr is this
At any night I wish, I can make all actions happen to you instead of their regular target. I can only use this ability once.
It's like a lightning rod

"all actions happen to you?"
Do you mean me or you?
Also, didn't he say that there would only be basic roles?

[Xite91]

Once everyone has signed up, and I have made the thread, you will PM me the character you want to be from Pokemon. Can be a character from the Show, the Game, or a Pokemon itself, a type, a gym leader, anything. I the will make a role around your choice, try and be creative of your choices. Also, if you wanna help me out you can also put some links to background info to help me out. Then the game will start.

Like any normal game. No weird game mechanics. Just your roles, your game. Expect my making the setup to take a little bit.

because I want it to be Perfect, balanced and nice.

Also, Must be from KANTO or JOHTO, The Cool School, not this newer stuff they got going on these days that are redundant, predictable and going off path.

(From sign up queue)
Underlined is what got me confused. Although I still don't believe the claim

[Xite91]

Also, what's the name of your pr?

[Xite91]

What does it say your role is equivalent to?

[Xite91]

Shotty, you don't have to point me to it.
Also, I still don't much believe in your claim.

@Mod: Thankies!

[Xite91]

@Mod - I lol'd
@Shotty - That's up to the rest of the town, as for me, I am going to try to get you lynched
@Gandalf - I can see that, but at the same time, if there's a doc role it keeps him alive, and if there's an RBer role, it opens a paradox.
Also I can't see it being a scum role unless there's more than one vig, which I can't see, I just don't think he's telling the truth about his role

[Xite91]

Gandalf, why didn't you say that sooner instead of waiting until I said the paradox thing?

[Xite91]

But nothing changed, no one voted or unvoted, and only the three of us have even posted

[Xite91]

unvote: vote: gandalf

did not follow through; pretty sure there's a lot of that this game thus far, but now he's already claimed and it's not hard to see his role being scum so let's do it

When did he do that?

[Xite91]

That case is kind of hilarious. By taking my posts out of context, you've managed to twist them to sound scummy. I'll show you exactly why in the morning, I've got to eat and go to bed now. And by the way, I believe MBF is 100% town. I just don't like his summary.

K see that. Still not sure about gandalf scum just yet though

[Xite91]

Hot damn, DMSIS is playing his scum meta.

VOTE: DMSIS

Note: I'm still for an Espeo lynch, but DMSIS is ssssssoooooo scummy right now.

could you give links to said meta?

I will, however, if he doesnt specify SOON where this meta is.
Also, I want him to point out specific instances, etc etc etc

[Xite91]

Starting to lean scum on vezo...

@Mike - reading your posts, only feel it necessary to comment on what I find wrong/interesting/super town/scummy.
Anything that doesn't fall in that I probably won't comment on because it clogs the thread

[Xite91]

No, I know that's probably true. I just hate the playstyle. It makes me yearn for a policy lynch

[Xite91]

No, I know that's probably true. I just hate the playstyle. It makes me yearn for a policy lynch

Trust me, everyone who has ever played with him has had the same urge.

I know, this isn't my only game with him, but because of the playstyle, you can never tell which one he is, and if he's alive D3 I'm prolly gonna push for his lynch...

[Xite91]

Ok. Here I am presented with a choice. On one hand is Shotty and on the other is Gandalf.

Gandalf has promised to rebut a strong case on him, something that never materialized. I look at Gandalf's posts and it really looks to me as though he is really jumping on Shotty and ignoring everything else directed at him. I am choosing to read this as Gandalf's efforts to deflect something from him to Shotty.

Shotty has claimed a role that would be harmful to the town if Shotty was town. What I mean is that if Shotty was town and he used the action tonight, this would make everything bad for town, because the town would be incapacitated tonight. BUT, if he was scum, It could potentially help us. Think about it- a lighting rod that redirects everything to him would also make him eat the scum kill.

I'm unsure which one i want to lynch.

GANDALF- REBUT THE CASE, then i may be willing to lynch shotty before you.

vote stays.

Here's the thing, based on a post from shotty, I can see him being a scumteam WITH gandalf, but eh, that's my gut opinion.
If he's not scum, then I'm not sure Gandalf is either

[Xite91]

read 314-319

[Xite91]

Elaborate. I can see them being scum together, or gandalf being scum. Shotty is less likely to be scum, IMO.


ALSO- I realized this: a roleblocker would help the scumteam a lot in this type of game. it seems like a useful scum role. hmm.

elaborate "this type of game"
Also, just the way he came to gandalf's rescue and posted his links AFTER I told him no, I wanted gandalf to do it, which was obviously for a reason

[Xite91]

xite- a upick game, which could be a novanilla game.

Ah. I see. HMM. So you're making the argument that has to be town/town or scum/scum?

Not necessarily, but definitely plausible

Well, kind of, but it's because I don't much suspect Gandalf, and didn't before shotty posted that

[Xite91]

My suspicions is on Gandalf. If he manages to convince me to move away from him, I'll go after you next. Have patience.

By the way, you could try convincing people why being lighting rod isnt an antitown role.

the role could be either, but it's not the role I'm so much worried about, its the actions

[Xite91]

Then tell him to never use it. If he lies, he dies. if he doesnt, he'll live. hmm?

I meant it's his actions that make him scum, not his role

[Xite91]

I forgot about our vig.
Ahhh. I shouldn't have lurked that much.
Xite please don't kill. If you want I will claim just so oyu don't kill me.

I have to make my list, yes you are on there, but probably not top priority. Or did you mean please don't kill at all?
Speaking of which - Hey, if you guys want a Gandalf lynch that bad, I can hit shotty (because he's just playing so.... off)

Wow, at this point we may as well get a mass claim going

[Xite91]

We already have a mass claim going. On Day 1. Might as well just paint bullseyes on our foreheads.

Lulz, I know, that was the point. Shotty, I can see why he claimed, but Gandalf... Iunno.
And me, I gave my reason

[Xite91]

For the record, I still think Gandalf is scummy. (I realize that if he flips scum, I'm going to look suspicious because he called me 100% town, and I unvoted him when he was close to lynch).

vote: piraka

because even if there's a better chance of Gandalf being scum, I want these useless players gone. I might hammer drmy later, we'll see. I think there's too much focus on his role right now.

Wait.... seriously?
You do realize how high you just shot up on my scumdar right?

[Xite91]

Gandalf, you damn me with faint praise; aka stop helping me, scum.

Massclaim is bad, Shotty or Gandalf lynch is good. And I'm sorry, but Xite is playing way too erratically for me to implicitly trust that he's actually a Vig and not scum or an SK.

And trying to reason out the pros and cons of letting Shotty live for days and days is exactly what scumShotty would want us to do. If Xite is a pro-town Vig, he's got lots of options and we're not directing him anyways, so why not go for the most protown move we have?

First, I feel that I'm the NK of the night, so I'm getting my opinion out there.
Second, you guys are directing me, but only to a group of people so it's harder for scum to change events.
Massclaim was a joke, hope people aren't actually considering it in the first place
What do you mean by that last sentence?

[Xite91]

Since nobody seems interested in this game, would anybody object to me hammering Shotty? I want gandalf lynched, but it does not look like it will happen "today"...

Well, what are your reasons for it?

[Xite91]

For hammering shotty. Is it just to end the day, or do you find him suspicious and why?

[Xite91]

It would be to end the day. I do not see anything else that can happen right now.

Shotty's claim is believable, but useless to us right now, after it has been claimed.

Really, i would prefer Gandalf lynched but it seems it wont happen.

If you don't think he's scummy you really shouldn't hammer unless all convo stopped, it was nearing deadline and otherwise there would be a no-lynch.
It's up to you what you do, but that's just my opinion

[Xite91]

I targeted Esp.
I figured he was the most likely scum. Why my kill didn't go through though.... I have no idea.
Gandalf, what was your rolename again?

@Prox - Because he always looks like scum

[Xite91]

I roleblocked Espeonage. I suspect that I may have blocked the mafia kill, and that Xite shot vezok. I'll have to look back at Xite's posts first though.

If you are town you sir are an idiot.

I actually have a role that can clear myself at night

hence why I can do scummy things in the name of town progress. If you are scum it wouldn't matter anyway because you wouldn't have helped me out. Where is bv and did anyone do anything to him night 0.

Explain plox

[Xite91]

I'm magikarp salesman. Each night I send someone a magikarp. In a mini game with this many power roles scum don't get fairly useless abilities.

What does that do? Oh wait, you "already answered"

ebwop Hence why it makes appalling sense balance wise that I would be scum with this role.

Dunno what the role would do, so Iunno what you're talking about.
Also, are you saying that you being town with that role wouldn't work???

They recieve a message that they now have a Magikarp.

What does having a magikarp do?

[Xite91]

Wow... this game is ridiculous.

Vote: Esp

Why would my kill not work on you?

[Xite91]

EBWOP - By the way, I meant to point this out
Esp, you do realize that it would help scum greatly right? I mean if the magikarps were supposed to "show that you're town without saying you're town" it would be perfect to scum because it "confirms" them to the town.

[Xite91]

First, I agree that if gandalf is scum, nicol is his buddy. Nicol, claim. Now. I'm tired of your "breadcrumbing" and I don't want anyone giving you something to claim by "asking" if that's what you are
Second, I say we lynch Gandalf today. If he's scum, then Nicol tomorrow. If he's town, then Esp tomorrow. If esp is scum, MBF is his partner.
Also, starting my list now.

People I want to hit tonight;
Gandalf
Nicol
Esp
MBF

Adjust as you see fit, I'll tell you my final decisions after

[Xite91]

Because who the hell would protect Espeo?

A scumdoctor.

But that only holds if Espeo is scum. So MOAR VOTES PLOX.

Please don't make me drag WIFOM into this. Cuz I'm great at that speculation stuff.

All right.

Fullclaim:

I'm Gengar, with four moves. I dont know what each move does, so I'm like a JOAT/Inventor hybrid.

They are:

Hypnosis
Dream Eater
Shadow Ball
Focus Blast

I used Focus Blast on Gandalf N1, hoping it was a vigkill because I was so sure Gandalf was scum. It turned out to be a cop inv. Gandalf was innocent.

Sorry, town, for outing my role. I suck as a power role, it seems.

Now, could you all take guesses at what the rest of my actions do? I suspect Hypnosis could be a roleblock or something similar.

A few things about this don't sit right with me.
First - To all of you that have pokemon roles, do you get a set of four like this?
Second - Not seeing how Focus Blast would be a cop investigation, unless they're all arbitrary, in which case speculation really doesn't matter
Third - I feel like this is an elaborate fake claim to save gandalf's ass. But eh, WIFOM and all

[Xite91]

I find MBF to be scummy though. What makes you not think he is?
Also, no, but why would only one have that? Iunno, just seems off to me.

Gandalf, why you protecting Nicol so much?

[Xite91]

Ooh - and the distancing begins

[Xite91]

[Xite91]

Ok I can confirm myself tonight. Why would you kill me now? The town roleblockers just don't roleblock me and all is good with the world.

Your ability is every bit as useless as it sounds. It does not confirm you in any sense of the word.

How do you know? I thought you role-blocked him?

[Xite91]

Ok I can confirm myself tonight. Why would you kill me now? The town roleblockers just don't roleblock me and all is good with the world.

Your ability is every bit as useless as it sounds. It does not confirm you in any sense of the word.

How do you know? I thought you role-blocked him?

He TOLD us what his ability did. It sends a message that simply says "You have received a Magikarp", and nothing more. It doesn't even say that Espeo sent it, as far as he has said.

But did you ask if that was paraphrased? Did you ask if that was the only thing it said?
IIRC, the answer is no, so how are you so positive?

[Xite91]

EBWOP
Not sure if I did this yet

Unvote, Vote Gandalf

Preview edit: Then how does that confirm you as town Espy?

[Xite91]

Why would I vote NB first? Also, are you accusing me of being scum? Because, first I'm not, and if you're going to throw out an attack, be a little less ambiguous because otherwise it's just a terribly scummy thing to do. (because you can go "oh, no that wasn't an attack on you", or when ANYONE flips scum, you can quote that and say you called them out) Also, I am reading the thread, but I'm not bothering to go back every ten seconds to check on things. I don't have the time, and right now I don't have the patience to do that.

[Xite91]

Xite, can you please narrow your list of four possible kills tonight to three? I would like it very much if you could do that.

Now why would I do that? I didn't even like having that few people on my list, means that scum have a 25% chance of fucking with my kill. You want it to be 33%?

[Xite91]

Hey nicol, they could just be 4 types of cop. Or two types of cop and two types of doc and so on and so forth. Don't ever trust an unknown. EVER

[Xite91]

Xite, my role allows some limited action to be taken that may benefit us if the player is alive, but will be wasted if the player is killed.

Hey genius, someone already flipped cop. Got a new claim for me?

Xite- also- I think you should not post a list like that again. If you do, make sure more than 5 people are on it.

That was my beginning list. I wanted you guys to criticize it and add to it and such

[Xite91]

Actually,

unvote

I'll see if he really has this role, then I'll go into speculation.

Uhm.... wha? How will you do that?

[Xite91]

I think he should target someone else, like Jarti or someone that's not under a ton of speculation. Maybe espy should give a list like i did? Then the person can claim it.

[Xite91]

I think he should target someone else, like Jarti or someone that's not under a ton of speculation. Maybe espy should give a list like i did? Then the person can claim it.

But I'm kind of confirmed town >.>

Not to me. I don't know what the other "moves" do.
Also, if everyone knows exactly what he's going to do, then it can be manipulated more. But either way, I feel like someone is going to roleblock him anyways, so I don't really care what happens at night. I just want to find the goddamn scum. Actually, here's a good start.

Unvote, vote: switz

[Xite91]

I doubt there's a mafia RB and a town one.

why? Do you know this for sure?
And as I said, to me you are not confirmed.

[Xite91]

Xite- you have to admit, he is more confirmed than most people here.

Not until you flip, same as your role isn't exactly confirmed until he flips.

[Xite91]

Is this how everyone else feels, or are there those who believe this string of claims?

Could everyone list which claims they believe, find fishy, or outright don't believe?

Also, I'm not sure everyone's nameclaimed.

I really want to lynch Nicol of only for his flip which could break the game open as we then have alot more info on gandalf and from that we could work some other shit out. That said I also don't want to lose an active potential townie.

So I will run with a jimfinn lynch.

Eeny Meeny Minie Moe

Unvote, vote Prox

Just became so much more inclined to believe prox is scum.

Espy is up there, though. Even if I do agre with his Nicol idea.
Are those three already in my list?

[Xite91]

Hmmm. Eh. I don't like this lynch so much. Prox was coming off as town earlier but I can't argue with the fact that early massclaim benefits scum just as much as town.

VOTE: Prox I'm not in a position to go against this lynch though.

Ahhhhh
I wish I had more than one vote!

[Xite91]

Look, Prox. Believe claim =/= believe town.

*facepalm*

Sigh...which claimants, then?
You disagree with Esp's logic about his role?
Or do you think Nicol's scan was by scum?
Or that I'm a scum nexus?
Or do you think xite, who claimed vig [vigs are always town unless not vgs], is SK?
Or do you know that you're actually a RBer with an antitown alliance?

@xite: I can't believe you! You have Esp in all his failitude, and decide that I am more likely to be scum? There isn't even a valid attack on me. Also, answer my question.

Really, I just don't understand you guys. You just keep doin it wrong, and you can't all be scum.

answer what question?
and if you want a case on you, I can make one. just give me till tomorrow because I'm working on like 5 different cases today

[Xite91]

Prox, any one of those claims could have been from scum. INCLUDING mine(if not for the fact that I'm confirmed) and possibly even NB's. If there were two scum teams of two each(possible in a twelve player game), a cop scan could be potentially useful to scum. Of course, there aren't enough kills, which also means hat he would have to be scummates with Xite. Unlikely, but possible. Hence why I'm considering NB confirmed. And thus me confirmed. Scum nexus is NOT hard to believe at all. Espeo, I'm withholding judgment on. Xite is possibly an SK, or maybe even scum who somehow knew that there were two scumteams and decided to turn it to her advantage. That one, again, is unlikely. So I would think SK, IF I thought she was scummy. As for me, there's not really any point in asking the question, since you know what the answer's going to be >.> But I could be scum, yes. Either a scum roleblocker, scum with a roleblocker partner, or scum fakeclaiming entirely.

Wait so which one is it, am I an sk, or am I a vig?
If you're going to throw accusations, make sure they're clear plox

[Xite91]

Prox, any one of those claims could have been from scum. INCLUDING mine(if not for the fact that I'm confirmed) and possibly even NB's. If there were two scum teams of two each(possible in a twelve player game), a cop scan could be potentially useful to scum. Of course, there aren't enough kills, which also means hat he would have to be scummates with Xite. Unlikely, but possible. Hence why I'm considering NB confirmed. And thus me confirmed. Scum nexus is NOT hard to believe at all. Espeo, I'm withholding judgment on.

Xite is possibly an SK, or maybe even scum who somehow knew that there were two scumteams and decided to turn it to her advantage. That one, again, is unlikely. So I would think SK, IF I thought she was scummy.

As for me, there's not really any point in asking the question, since you know what the answer's going to be >.> But I could be scum, yes. Either a scum roleblocker, scum with a roleblocker partner, or scum fakeclaiming entirely.

Wait so which one is it, am I an sk, or am I a vig?
If you're going to throw accusations, make sure they're clear plox

Bolded are said accusations. It's that REALLY good fence-sitting type things

also, what question? Answer mine

[Xite91]

UNVOTE: Prox

Espy, you had better start explaining yourself right now. Answer my questions dammit

[Xite91]

@ESpy - can't find them... wth? I thought I asked them. Well, they're pretty much things like explain your votes, who's scum, things like that

[Xite91]

I did and don't know.

what about the one on prox?

[Xite91]

Ok, so MBF is Missingno, huh? That's an interesting choice.

As for my "directing" of Xite, how much could it benefit a scum to know one of four players who Xite will not kill? As far as I know, a mafia doctor is not exactly a very standard role? I'm just trying to co-ordinate the likely large number of town PRs into something resembling unified action.

We're trying to keep everything somewhat ambiguous in case there are obscure roles, considering we already have some. Also, that list is actually too small, so really one less is a terrible idea

[Xite91]

jimfinn, given your ominous statements about me, I feel it prudent to warn you that night-action paybacks can be a bitch.

I lol'd... Anyway, I do need to know what changes or additions (more so additions) people want to make to my list.

[Xite91]

Which would make it:
jimfinn
switz
Gandalf
Nicol
Esp
MBF

Assuming we lynch someone from that list, it would mean a pool of 5 players for you to choose to vig from out of a possible 8 targets from your perspective. So yeah, let's lynch from that list (cough jimfinn) & then you secretly cross off 1 person in your mind from the list, leaving it listed as 5 but actually decide between 4. I don't really understand why MBF is on it actually but I'd rather him be there than Prox (fine with the claim) or BV (he might be inactive but I like him due to a few specific posts of his ISO 11/12/16 look town).

I agree with that list, and I will not tell you my reasons for MBF until later (if I hit him) also, that's 6

Jarti- what protown reason do you have for telling Xite to not condiser you?

Wow... this post is actually pretty scummy to me.
Okay, lets think this through.
No matter what she is, she needs to pretend she's town, right?
So, lets go basing off her being town.
Remember why self-voting is scummy? Same thing, really.
You are the only player who's alignment you know (unless you're scum of course, but basing with town)
Therefore, voting yourself (or making yourself a target for a vigkill) is attacking the only person you know to be town
Therefore, taking yourself of such a list is the most pro-town thing you can do.
Considering you're town, that is.

[Xite91]

Xite, removing himself from the list because he knows he is town is like defending yourself from a lynch by saying "My Role PM says I'm town".

Not particularly. I asked for a list, she gave me her opinion on additions to the list, had her name already been on the list it would be different, and it would read a little more like what you're talking about, but would you put yourself on a list to be vigged? In this game, or in real life for that matter? It's a survival tactic, and I don't want to hear that you wouldn't do the same because it's an outright lie.

Ah, i see. I understand now. I just was looking at the fact that Jarti made an effort to explictly mention it.

But the fact that it was made with a "lol" also points out that that was going to be obvious (no matter what her alignment), remember she took me out at the same time, because I'm not going to target myself

[Xite91]

I would still like to lynch jimfinn, he hasn't actually shown any desire to scumhunt this d2 as has been all set-up speculation. 'Oh mbf picked missingno...interesting.' and then later saying he has a 'new plan' based on the claim.

I could see espy/jim as partners.

It wouldn't surprise me if two of [you/jim/espy] was scum, considering how little scumhunting I've seen thus far.

I lol'd... Anyway, I do need to know what changes or additions (more so additions) people want to make to my list.

Obviously I would prefer not to be on it. If the kill were in my hands, I'd avoid Prox definitely, I'm near-certain he's nexus. If I had the kill, I'd go for Jarti, jimfinn, or espeonage. Maybe BV, since he's a wild card to me at this point. Of course, this is all assuming you don't get blocked again tonight coughgandalfcough.

well I figured the prox thing... maybe BV but probably not to be quite honest...

[Xite91]

Why would I block Xite if I were scum? It would be incredibly obvious that I was scum, because there wouldn't be a second kill. Or at least, that would be what I would think, had I not managed to survive this long today. I'm actually incredibly surprised that I didn't get quick-lynched today.

So am I TBQH. I don't know exactly what that says about you, though

[Xite91]

Espy, when does your magikarp message go through?

[Xite91]

Espy, when does your magikarp message go through?

I would assume it went through at the same time as all night actions: at the end of the night.

Yeah, but I had to make sure when because of the way you worded that, because you made the claim the next day, so you could have gotten the idea that you could say you role-blocked him. It was a fortunate easy out

[Xite91]

I claimed RB D1.

the claim that you blocked espy

[Xite91]

Well yes, but when I roleblocked you, I hadn't yet gotten the PM about the fish. So what was I planning to do then? As a claimed PR, there's no way that I wouldn't have been asked to claim my target. So who was I going to claim to roleblock? TBH, Espeo is the obvious choice. I've been saying he's my biggest "suspect" since the beginning of the game practically. In other words, I don't think that the fact that I claimed to roleblock Espy is a tell at all. Town or scum.

I was giving another option, and I agree, it's not a tell, but the way you have been playing has been

[Xite91]

That's because I'm not bothering to act town, because I'm confirmed. I don't have to worry about being part of the crowd, so I can be more vocal. Like I've said, this is the way I play as confirmed town.

You should play as confirmed town as town anyways, because you know you're town, and that's as confirmed as you need to be to scumhunt, which is what town is supposed to do.
Only scum need to try to look like town. And I don't think at all that you are confirmed

[Xite91]

Okay, I've gotten to the point in this game where I feel we're all just uselessly arguing. I think it's time we all choose one person that's already being voted for and lynch them. I don't feel like I'm getting any information from today's discussion anymore. That being said, here's the last VC.

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Vote Count

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jimfinn [1] Jarti
NicolBolas [0]
Espeonage [1] Switz
gandalf5166 [0]

Prox [3] Xite91, Gandalf5166, Espeonage

bv310 [0]
Jarti [0]
Xite91 [0]
Switz [1] Nicolbolas
mikeburnfire [0]

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Not Voting

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jimfinn, Prox, bv310, Mikeburnfire

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Amount to Lynch

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With 10 Alive it is 6 to Lynch.

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Deadline

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None yet.

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Except that was 3 pages ago, so it's not super accurate, but finding it I did see this right after it

UNVOTE: Prox

I don't know if I like that...
So, I nominate for today's lynch

Espy

I guess we can just decide based on who each person wants lynched

[Xite91]

But what about the fact that Espeonage's role is confirmable? Or do you think that him being a Magikarp Salesman doesn't make him town?

I'm actually beginning to like the idea.

xite, why aren't you just voting for Espy?

it's confirmable, but not town-confirmable. So yes to that last part.

Because at this point, it'd be better for town just to end the day, so I will wait to vote anyone until we all decide who to vote on.

If it makes you feel better, i'll

Unvote

Also, prox, I do feel like you're scum if espy is scum. Just throwing that out there

[Xite91]

@Jarti(sorry if misspelled) - I didn't really have a stance on him, that's why. I figured he'd come out with his role eventually, and we could see the truth in it. That being said, I would like to see Jim's flip because if he's town, either you or MBF (but probably not both) are scum.
So, yeah, in the name of forwarding this game,

Unvote, vote Jim

[Xite91]

As I said, I have seen little to no scumhunting today, and I feel it would be better for the town to just wait until tomorrow to keep hunting. That way we have more flips. If you actually READ THE THREAD, you would know that.

[Xite91]

Because people AREN'T hunting right now. They're squabbling and nitpicking but honestly, how many of us have a strong idea of who scum are right now? Do you? If so, where's the case? I honestly feel like more flips would be the way to go at this point because we've got practically nothing else

[Xite91]

Hey guys sorry I've been somewhat V/La with moving and all. Who are we lynching? Have we decided yet?

[Xite91]

Xite, just...meh. It's like you've given up on scumhunting totally. Do you seriously that 31 pages of content can't find us a good lynch for the Day?

For today, yes I've given up, because it seems as though we have reached a stalemate that only a night phase will cure

[Xite91]

Xite, just...meh. It's like you've given up on scumhunting totally. Do you seriously that 31 pages of content can't find us a good lynch for the Day?

For today, yes I've given up, because it seems as though we have reached a stalemate that only a night phase will cure

This is scummy as hell. I excuse this kind of talk in newbie games, but not anywhere else. First thing I've seen from you though, so I'll hold off on the votage. And Prox, there was a case on you a while ago.

Fence-sitting?
Also, it's really not scummy, there is barely any scumhunting going on and not really anything good enough to use for a case on anyone (believe me I've tried) So, I want to see who everyone thinks is scum based on gut, because if enough people have the same gut feeling, then that feeling is probably true.

Could you point it out?

Xite, I'm going to let you use your ability tonight, but expect a strong attack tomorrow.

Uhm... ok?

People I am willing to lynch today:
Espeonage - Totally willing to off this guy. No scumhunting, complete waffle yesterday, admits to deliberate mislynching-- c'mon, this guy's a good choice.
jimfinn - Also a good choice. No scumhunting, complete coasting through game, waffling, inconsistency.
BV - Lurker, no scumhunting.

These are the three I would be most willing to lynch today... oddly enough, in that order. I want to wait on gandalf until tomorrow when we can get another "result" from nicol, I'll wait on prox (I don't really remember what was scummy about him and I'm kind of too lazy to go back and check), I don't know what to think about jarti, I want to see more from mbf, and switz... well actually, he should be on that list before bv, but yeah.

Okay, tiny factual error: Technically, Prox can be killed. Actions are randomized, but they could still randomly target him. Granted, they'd be more likely to kill themselves than Prox, but my OCD made me correct you there.

wait... what?

[Xite91]

Well, there are ten players. So you target Prox, and robo rolls a d10. That d10 could come up 5, thus causing the action to actually hit Prox.

again, what? I'm fairly certain it's not randomized. Where did you come up with that?

[Xite91]

Well, there are ten players. So you target Prox, and robo rolls a d10. That d10 could come up 5, thus causing the action to actually hit Prox.

again, what? I'm fairly certain it's not randomized. Where did you come up with that?

That's the definition of a nexus >.>

Okay, sorry I had a mixed up definition of a nexus (I was thinking it was the one that if targeted, the player that targeted him gets that action done to them instead)
Anyways I looked it up on the wiki

A lesser known role. Any ability which targets it will target

another

random player.

Bolded is where you're wrong.

[Xite91]

I want to see more from mbf,

You know what? I've been an active player, giving my beliefs on the setup and suspicions on all players constantly. I made a huge post yesterday and a huge post today. You started acting like it was time to end the day, and I posted a list of players I was willing to lynch. And I'm still on V/LA. So if you expect to see more from me, you're going to be disappointed.

It feels like you've already planned to kill me tonight no matter what I do, even though I'm doing a lot, and you've essentially given up.

Okay, first off, by more, I meant more tells, be them town or scum. You're playing very neutral.
Second, who said you were the chosen kill? There's how many others on that list? For all you know you were my "I'll put this guy on the list with no intention of killing him" guy, which I DO have on of those in there.
Third, where'd the defeatist attitude come from all of a sudden?

[Xite91]

No defeatism here; just irritated that there are too many people who just aren't even playing the game.

I understand that, and I know exactly how you feel, which is exactly why at this point the only thing that can move us forward in scumhunting is more flips...

[Xite91]

What makes me scummy?

Answer that and you have why jim is scummy. The difference is that I am town and can prove it.

Again, no, you can't.

[Xite91]

I really don't know what else to add for today.
Jim, it wasn't really an overreaction, a misinterpretation, yes, but that was mostly my fault.
You are overreacting, though, to that post. It really doesn't warrant a vote.
Yup, that's about all I got. Can someone ===( ) so we can move on (no offense jim, but you are probably the most likely to be scum at this point, and more flips = good at this point because we have nothing to go off of)

[Xite91]

Okay, Jarti, IGMEOY, but for gut reasons.

Also, just letting you know, it's Xite(pronounced zight lulz) not Xcite. Just a pet peeve of mine ^__^

[Xite91]

@MBF - Please tell me you're not serious. I swear if he flips town, you're next.

[Xite91]

Nothing, that was just... interesting timing to want to switch your vote

[Xite91]

I propose a no lynch. If there are three scums then we are in mylo.

I can agree to this, but I need to do a reread. IIRC, I did say I would do this, though, so I will.

Vote; MBF

[Xite91]

Okay, first, I decided not to kill last night. It was a risky move, yes, but I didn't know exactly who I should shoot and this game is becoming harder and harder to figure out.
Honestly, I would love to see how MBF flips based on what happened yesterday after we hit the lynch

Hey, is it too late to change my vote to Espeonage?

I can actually definitely see the two as a scumteam together (him and espy) so today (or tomorrow if we no lynch) I feel we should lynch MBF

@Prox - Who would be RBing me? Gandalf already claimed the rb didn't he? Are you paying attention at all?

[Xite91]

My post yesterday was in reference to Espeonage's line "2. If you think I am scummy then you should think jim is as well because we have played quite similar.", which just screams scum to me.

I definitely, DEFINITELY, don't like Xite claiming to have forfeited his supposed lynch. Not only is he forfeiting a shot at killing scum (even if he just kills at random), but he still has yet to confirm his role. Deciding not to kill puts us in the situation we are now: forfeiting a lynch to sure up numbers.

It feels to me that he's trying to get me lynched to win the game, perhaps by linking me to his scumparter Espeonage. Need to review past interactions.

I saw that as really scummy as well, but that fact that your post came RIGHT AFTER THE HAMMER was why I was concerned about it and why it looks so damn scummy. But considering I STILL think espy is scum, I would have no problem lynching him first.

Second, I forfeited it because we don't have NEARLY enough information to have a good run in LyLo, I'd much prefer to see what scum do one more time. Yes, we would be forfeiting the lynch to sure up numbers, but also to get a little bit more information, information we DESPERATELY need.

You're right, I'm trying to get you lynched to win the game because I'm town and I believe you're scum, lynching you WILL get me closer to my wincon in that case. How is that scummy?

[Xite91]

Xite, you

did

try to vig someone N1, didn't you?

Night 1? Yes, and I claimed it.
Last night? Nope.

[Xite91]

Did you forget? Espy of course

[Xite91]

He seemed just as scummy, but I felt less assured in my scumreads based on yesterday.

Because I have been thinking it over? Also, it's easier to make a decision in a group because I don't feel like the whole burden's on me.

Because it's not just my decision

[Xite91]

I have faith in my reads enough to act on them and see if the town agrees with me, but not enough to act on them alone and possibly mess it up for everyone.

I DO hate my role. I honestly don't like the idea of the whole town losing because I decided to kill the wrong person, that's why I asked for the help in the first place, but very few people gave me any opinions, and I didn't feel my reads were strong enough to go through and just act on them. I don't know if that makes sense, but I'm not sure how else to say it.

[Xite91]

I'm not too sure, maybe I was RB'd or maybe Espy is lying about his role?
I just figured it was best not to use the power role? Sorry?
I really can't say much more than that. I gave how it would help info-wise and I gave my "moral" reason why, what else do you want exactly?

[Xite91]

I was jailkept wasn't I?

huh? where'd that come from?

[Xite91]

That might make sense, but that would mean that gandalf would need to be a jailkeeper and not a roleblocker. I'm confused right now...

[Xite91]

I would not doubt it, but MyLo is really not the best time to do a LaL policy, there could be good reasons behind what he did.

[Xite91]

I would not doubt it, but MyLo is really not the best time to do a LaL policy, there could be good reasons behind what he did.

Are you crazy? Scummy players who lie get lynched!

Well, first we'd need to know if that was the case.
Then we'd have to ask why he lied
And if it was a good reason, we wouldn't lynch him right away.
Also, I believe that no-lynch is the way to go today

[Xite91]

Why do we think I lied? Also, Xite is either very stupid, or lying scum. Not vigging in a situation where tomorrow is MyLo? I call bullshit.

VOTE: Xite

It's a possibility. I explained why. READ PLOX.

No. We should lynch scum today. WHAT DOES WAITING DO???

Xite, I think scum RBed you or doc'ed your target. I'm going with RB.

You think it unlikely that scum roleblock?

Oh, it's not unlikely at all, but for some reason I don't think that's the case unless gandalf IS in fact scum, but I'm not to positive on that one.
By the way, how does that post fit with this one?

That's what I was looking for- the complete contrast between xite's use of his role and his goals in the game.

And we have our lynch for the day.

vote xite

Okay, so prox is probably scum, just sayin.

Xite, you are so full of crap. The entire day yesterday you were yelling about needing more flips and that we didn't have any information. You threatened to kill me if Jim came up town. Jim came up town, so I presumed I would die. But then you claim to forfeit your kill last night because you weren't sure who was scum. And now you're saying that you

would love to see how MBF flips

and that you

feel we should lynch MBF

and that

believe you're[mbf] scum

. Either you are only pretending to think I'm scummy, or you can't actually kill me. Which is it?

So, instead of killing somebody to get information, you want to let the scum kill one more time. WHY. What information could we get from their kill that we couldn't get from yours, with the additional benefit of possibly killing scum?

YES WE NEED MORE FLIPS. But seeing WHO scum nk'd is just as important as those flips. It would give us MORE information to see who scum kills than to just see ohai, a townie died and the vig did it, whatevs. What good does that do for us?
Please, stop asking questions that have been answered and just read. Also, keep in mind this is probably MyLo, which means that mislynching is a bad idea, don't you think you shouldn't put scum in the position to lynch me?

[Xite91]

Yes, again, a flip WOULD help town. But knowing where that flip came from would ALSO help. I am not answering this question again.

[Xite91]

So you only want flips if scum are the ones creating them?

No, but when it comes to MyLo or me putting us in LyLo, yes
Are you done asking useless questions yet?
Anyways, MBF I will respond to you in a minute, putting together a masspost.

[Xite91]

Okay then, Xite. If mafia kills are so much more telling than vig kills, what information did you get from BV and Vezok's death?

How the hell are you a type? What did you send in as a choice?

I'm Eevee, by the way. I was going to pick Magikarp, but I figured Eevee'd be more fun.

I don't want to claim my abilities just yet, though.

Well, his kill could have to do with this. Then he turned out to be a nilla. His NK could have something to do with them not wanting to risk a more active player with a strong power role. And then this;

Oh for the love of god. If I had a dollar for every "I'll post later" post in this game, I wouldn't need to save for a new laptop.

Also, Xite, don't pretend like you know my meta. We've played one game together.

Anyway, I've reread the last few pages, and I have to admit, Espeonage is the biggest standout to me. His refusal to provide a case while still trying to push a lynch is extremely scummy.

Prox is worse though. Softclaiming a scan problem, then not elaborating is a pretty basic scum tactic of claiming Miller.

@bv- do you have anything else on prox?

He does go on to state all of his reasons and makes a damn good case, but he was being pretty ignored by the rest of us, probably due to his lack of activity. Maybe they saw that he was getting a replacement and didn't want to risk the possibility of him reading through BV's ISO (a common replacement thing, to see what their predecessor thought, since the best person you can trust is yourself) and agreeing with him, but being able to push the case way better.
I also don't like the way Nicol responded to this. I'm not too sure what to think about it. Also,

@Mod - Last time we heard from nicol was about 2 weeks ago, is he due for a replacement yet?

I really don't like the idea of losing because one of the mafia (or town for that matter) went inactive in MyLo.

Gandalf is scummy again. I believe he is scum. DIE.

Someone claimed Officer Jenny?
Intresting.

vote gandalf

Vezok is very adamant aboug gandalfscum, but I don't think that's why she died...

When you read through her posts, it's obvious she's a PR, and probably a cop. I feel mafia saw this, and that's why she ended up dead.
And then there was this;

Hi guys. I can't do the case now. LATER.

unvote
Vote Prox

So what do both of them have in common?

[Xite91]

Okay, so from them, I put together a list, at least one of which will be scum, but at most 2. I doubt the third will be in here as well;
Prox
Gandalf
Nicol
Espy

Probably Prox if Espy and vice versa
Probably Gandalf if Nicol and vice versa

Based mostly on guy, I want to say the MBF is the third Mafioso either way, but I don't have any cases put together just yet.
I am getting started on ISO's soon though, so be excited!

[Xite91]

Serious WIFOM.

Yus, but the good kind. Bad WIFOM is more along the lines of "Ohai, claimed cop... wait, why was he allowed to investigate LYNCHLYNCHLYNCH" That's the bad kind that gets you nowhere
The kind I'm using gets you somewhere

[Xite91]

Thanks robo!

Oh, hello I forgot I was being wagoned.
I would like everyone's reasons why they are still voting me.
Also, considering it takes 5 to lynch, I would like to point out that there is probably at least 1 scum voting me. Maybe even two, unless nicol is scum... Of course this only works if there IS 3 scum and we ARE in MyLo... I doubt there are no scum on my wagon at this point unless we only have 2 scum, because they would have hammered me so fast.
Sorry if this doesn't make sense, I'm trying but I can't focus at all right now.

[Xite91]

Stop asking for cases that have already been provided.

Considering I gave my reasons for my actions, the very ones I was being voted for, I asked why those people were STILL voting me. That is something new, I believe.

[Xite91]

Reasons =/= good reasons

Then tell me why.

[Xite91]

Come now, Xite, we read your posts yet you don't read ours?

I DID read yours, but do you have any more on me other than "you didn't target anyone last night?"
Cuz that really isn't enough to lynch at MyLo if you think about it.

[Xite91]

Serious WIFOM.

Yus, but the good kind. Bad WIFOM is more along the lines of "Ohai, claimed cop... wait, why was he allowed to investigate LYNCHLYNCHLYNCH" That's the bad kind that gets you nowhere
The kind I'm using gets you somewhere

Not really.

And why not?
This is the kind of thing that catches scum. Next I'll be doing a bandwagon analysis.

[Xite91]

Okay, I lied, VCA comes later. I'm too tired to think enough for that right now.

[Xite91]

Come now, Xite, we read your posts yet you don't read ours?

I DID read yours, but do you have any more on me other than "you didn't target anyone last night?"
Cuz that really isn't enough to lynch at MyLo if you think about it.

Yeah, catching someone lying about their role isn't enough to lynch in MyLo.

Except how do you know I'm lying? You don't do you?

Sorry for the massive delay. As some of you may know, I'm the flavor writer for The Lord of the Rings Mafia (large theme game), and I've been really busy getting the game set up right now. I apoligize for the delay, and I will get back to rereading as soon as possible.

Also, hello to Espeonage, gandalf5166, Xite91, who I've played before. And hello to MBF, who I just met in the FE thread.
Either we No Lynch today or we massclaim and lynch and hope for the best.

We should totally have an ice cream party. Vanilla and chocolate and stuff.

-The Baker

There's a baker in pokemon? I don't remember that

K. Then we NL now. MC then lynch Xite.

Espy you're funny. Don't you remember I was calling you out as scum? Feels a lot like OMGUS to protect yourself, but eh.

Also, I'm of a mind that Gandalf is not a RBer at all. Because there's no way to confirm that he roleblocked who he did either time. Unless Espy got his magikarp back or something like that.

[Xite91]

If it's between the two, I'd say

No claim & No lynch

Wait to massclaim/lynch tomorrow when we have one less.

But honestly, making it a point that we're going to massclaim tomorrow makes it easier for scum to come up with fakeclams.
I feel it might be better to massclaim then no lynch, but that's all very WIFOMy and I don't really know.

[Xite91]

Yes, but would you rather scum had more time to craft a fakeclaim, or that they knew exactly who to kill?

Honestly, neither, but We've lost a cop and the RBer and Vig have claimed, what else is there gonna be? Doc? Obviously, they haven't been doing a good job (or they doc'd espy N1 why?)
I don't know, I'm confusing myself. You guys choose what you want to do.

[Xite91]

No Lynch/No Claim:
Xite91 (has claimed)
Espeonage (has claimed)
gandalf5166 (has claimed)

Lynch/Mass Claim:
Jarti (has not claimed)
mikeburnfire (has not claimed)

Pending:
SnakePlissen (has claimed)
Prox (has claimed)
Andrius (has not claimed)

So Xite are you still worried about scum having more time for fake-claims when 2/3 of the unclaimed players are willing to MC today? Which is why MC + no lynch is a silly option. That benefits scum on both accounts; they get all the information presented to them & they get to go into another night phase. Awful suggestion.

Seeing the list like that I definitely decided I'd prefer the Lynch/Mass claim. (Seeing where my scumreads stand, and of course your point of the one's that want massclaims.) Okay, I'm changing my vote I'm for

Lynch/Mass Claim

[Xite91]

Xite, the answers you gave for those two kills are a little specific. I was expecting something like "the mafia are killing lurkers", which is what I had assumed. Instead, you go deep about how they targeted Vezok because they thought he was cop (which I don't see at all) and how they thought BV was a power role (even though until his death every townie thought this was no-vanilla) and are setting up Prox to be the next lynch today. That's quite the insight.

It's called an educated guess. I looked at what they were saying and, had I been breadcrumb hunting, that's what I would have thought (scum are way more likely to hunt for breadcrumbs than town is)
Besides, how is that a scumtell? I've seen town go "this is why that guy died" without any sense of a doubt. It's more null than anything else if you think about it, because it's NK speculation and that's ALL it is.

Is that what he said?

You know, when town believes that someone is scum (ESPECIALLY ENOUGH TO LYNCH IN MYLO) it's because they've looked in great detail at the person, especially the stuff they say when they go under suspicion. The fact that you weren't reading that makes me believe even more that you are scum.

[Xite91]

So now that we've determined that Jarti and Espeonage are in the scumgroup, I wonder who the third is.

If that were the case, I'd say probably gandalf as the third, but I'd have to look some more.

That being said, I'm not too sure that Jarti is scum. I'm more likely to believe an Espy/Prox team, but I don't know.
Here's a question, how many people think Espy is scum? Cuz he would probably be a good start at this point

One more, did anyone else target someone and not get a result from it? Just testing a theory.

[Xite91]

Jarti didn't claim Pokedex. She claimed Ash a long time ago, remember? Her Pokedex is just for some reason the crux of her role.

That part actually makes sense, now shut up and cooperate. Do you have any reason to believe you were blocked N1. And that question goes for everyone.

[Xite91]

One more, did anyone else target someone and not get a result from it? Just testing a theory.

Technically, I did. Although mine is not a role where I would normally be notified afterward anyway.

Okay, then, Andy claimed, it's your turn. I'm curious how you could have absolutely no result if you targeted someone.

[Xite91]

I'm a Role Redirector. I can choose one player, and choose who their new target will be. If my target has a night action, it will be redirected and affect the other player I chose. I've been trying to use it to redirect the Mafia's kill back at them, but I can't make a player target themself, so it's been difficult.

First night I redirected Vezok towards Gandalf. I had a suspicion that they were on the same team, but that Gandalf would be busy roleblocking and his scummates would make the kill. I don't know if I successfully redirected him since he died. Last night I targeted Switz because he suddenly went quiet, and redirected him towards BV. Since BV ended up dead I thought that maybe I had redirected the mafia kill. But now that Andrius has claimed VT, I think it's just coincidence.

Okay, so we can all agree that if the switch was turned on, it would be to my vig kill?

In that case,

Unvote, Vote Jarti

If you promise not to lynch me today, I can tell you why.

[Xite91]

Okay, so we can all agree that if the switch was turned on, it would be to my vig kill?

In that case,

Unvote, Vote Jarti

If you promise not to lynch me today, I can tell you why.

I promise no such thing. You must be daft, thinking you can bargain in such a manner so close to endgame.

Are you saying that you believe Jarti's claim? Or do you think he's the reason you haven't killed yet?

I'm saying I don't believe his claim because it's done absolutely nothing.
And the reason I said not to lynch me is because I lied.
I'm not actually the vig. I'm a bulletproof townie.
I claimed vig hopong to draw the NK at least once.
Obviously that failed, but I think I caught scum in a fakeclaim instead.

[Xite91]

Wait a sec, MBF, how was it just a coincidence because Andrius claimed VT?
I mean it's the perfect claim for scum who has the same role name as someone that's died and turned up VT.
And I wouldn't put it past the mod to have to role names as two different roles.
Just sayin

[Xite91]

Oh, so we now have TWO people who claim to be Unkillable at night. Methinks one of them be lying. Gonna go back and check, because I think there's evidence that contradicts Xite's sudden change.

Oh, and I think Andrius being forced to target BV and BV dying are coincidences because I sincerely doubt that Andrius killed BV. If he did, then I believe he would have tried to fake an investigative type role when I was insinuating that I tracked him. He could still be scum, but I believe Andrius is town. He's certainly one of the least suspicious players thus far.

What evidence contradicts my change exactly? I even breadcrumbed that I was lying here

And I'm only cautious of andrius because of switz. Either way, I feel that Jarti is the lynch for today.

[Xite91]

1) That post just says "lying is okay in certain circumstances". Nothing about Bulletproof is hinted.

Which is why I wanted to claim, I want it to be town directed, and I don't think the doc should worry about me, the kill still goes through if I'm NK'd, and I'm sure there's better PR's to protect.

Okay, this

does

This supports the idea of Xite being a bulletproof trying to attract the mafia kill.

2) Okay, now this is evidence of a lie. If Xite knows he has no actual kill, what kind of answer can he possibly expect from Esp? He's starting a bandwagon based on a lie.

3) Reaffirming the lie

4) Xite is put at L-2 in MyLo, and still sticks to his lie.

5)

Except how do you know I'm lying? You don't do you? [...] Also, I'm of a mind that Gandalf is not a RBer at all. Because there's no way to confirm that he roleblocked who he did either time. Unless Espy got his magikarp back or something like that.

Sticks to his role, then insinuates Gandalf roleblocked him.

6)

Honestly, neither, but We've lost a cop and the RBer and Vig have claimed, what else is there gonna be? Doc? Obviously, they haven't been doing a good job (or they doc'd espy N1 why?)

So many things being said that don't indicate that you know you don't have a vigkill.

7) Boy, I don't know. It's obviously that either Prox or Xite is lying, since I don't see two unkillable townies in the same game. Earlier, I'd have said that Xite was town and Prox was scum, since Xite played the role properly, trying to attract the mafia kill, and Prox played it poorly, coming out of the gate screaming his role instead of trying to get the mafia to waste their kill. However, now that I review Xite,

he looks like a liar

. He knows he lied about his ability, but is using that lie to incriminate other players. When Prox claimed a nearly identical role, Xite never addressed it, or mentioned it. I think I will vote Xite today. I don't know who his partners would be though. Nicol and Jarti?

1) Considering I said that I breadcrumbed that I lied?
2) I was starting a wagon on espy based on gut. If people would have actually attacked him on ONLY my kill then I would have claimed. But here's a question, why would I start a wagon on the person that I tried to vig based on him not dying? That's just a stupid reason to lynch someone. I was trying to catch obvious wagoners.
3) If I didn't go along with my lie then how would scum ever believe me enough to try to kill me?
4) And if I said, "alright, I lied, here's my actual role" what would you have done? This was the best way to prevent a mislynch AND I've caught scum.
5) Where in that did I insinuate that gandalf RB'd me? That was me insinuating that HE lied about HIS role.
6) That was me trying to get a fake doc claim.
7) Bolded. Obviously? I said I lied.

I feel a lot more like you're just sore about me catching your scumbuddy.

[Xite91]

Don't you see? It's Jarti and Prox that are the definite scum here.
Gandalf, why Jarti tomorrow? Why not today? Why me today?
And if I'm scum, why would Jarti be scum too if I'm semi-countering her claim?
And Vice Versa.
I'm not getting your reasoning

[Xite91]

Xite definitely. Her reclaim just doesn't fit with her actions. You don't try to get someone lynched based on your actions with a role you don't have. Unless you're scum.

How don't they fit with my actions? Go through and pick out where that MBF hasn't said. Because I responded to all of those AND explained them.
Next, I don't expect much out of snake as far as what he did last night goes, considering the whole situation with Nicol.
Also, the only thing that would make sense would be that Jarti turns off or on one of me or prox's abilities (or switches one of ours off and one of ours on) but for some reason, I feel she made up the claim, being that it was completely unlikely for the role to exist in this game and we have so many other obscure roles out there, so she saw when I "tried" to kill and made a claim around that as kind of like my own little role-blocker. Her timing just seems too perfect.

[Xite91]

I used focus blast which turned out to be an investigation.

Okay, so snake is Definite scum now.
First off, Nicol has not been on since the ninth of september according to his last login date stated when you click on his name blah blah blah
We reached a lynch on september 16
The day phase started on september 20
The mod said that he would replace nicol, this happens on the 22nd.
I see no rules stating that if a person does not choose an ability target it will be chosen at random
Also, he never stated who it was on and wasn't the night before also an investigation?
Therefore, this was an almost obvious lie.
In which case, I will ditch the Jarti vote and go to the more obvious scum in the bunch.

Unvote, Vote Snake

@Mod - I'm not sure if this counts as using timestamps, if it does I apologize and will completely ditch this case and find something else to attack him for

[Xite91]

I used focus blast which turned out to be an investigation.

Okay, so snake is Definite scum now.
First off, Nicol has not been on since the ninth of september according to his last login date stated when you click on his name blah blah blah
We reached a lynch on september 16
The day phase started on september 20
The mod said that he would replace nicol, this happens on the 22nd.
I see no rules stating that if a person does not choose an ability target it will be chosen at random
Also, he never stated who it was on and wasn't the night before also an investigation?
Therefore, this was an almost obvious lie.
In which case, I will ditch the Jarti vote and go to the more obvious scum in the bunch.

Unvote, Vote Snake

@Mod - I'm not sure if this counts as using timestamps, if it does I apologize and will completely ditch this case and find something else to attack him for

Deary me clutching at straws much? This was done Night One by Nicolbolas. It returned an innocent verdict on someone still alive. You need to be sure of yourself before throwing wild accusations around without first asking questions like good scumhunters should.

FOS Xite

Considering it was for night 2 that he asked? No, not clutching at straws, but since you kind of explained yourself, I will go ahead and

Unvote

Getting to the rest of the thread.

[Xite91]

Xite also did not read. Xite simply saw an opportunity to start/push a lynch based on pure time-meta [which is easy to back out of being responsible for after a mislynch], without actually looking at what Snake claimed to do. Xite should die. VOTE: Xite

Lets stop to consider this Jarti.
Isn't it most likely MyLo right now?
So why the hell would I care if I had to take the blame for a mislynch if I were scum?
It would mean me winning the game.
Look who's looking for opportunities to jump on the biggest wagon?
Why did I ever take my vote off of you?

Vote;Jarti

call it OMGUS if you want, but at this point, it's either I convince you I'm town and try to show you who's most likely scum or we lose. Considering how much I hate losing, I'm willing to try to show you guys the light.

[Xite91]

Xite also did not read. Xite simply saw an opportunity to start/push a lynch based on pure time-meta [which is easy to back out of being responsible for after a mislynch], without actually looking at what Snake claimed to do. Xite should die. VOTE: Xite

Lets stop to consider this Jarti.
Isn't it most likely MyLo right now?
So why the hell would I care if I had to take the blame for a mislynch if I were scum?
It would mean me winning the game.
Look who's looking for opportunities to jump on the biggest wagon?
Why did I ever take my vote off of you?

Vote;Jarti

call it OMGUS if you want, but at this point, it's either I convince you I'm town and try to show you who's most likely scum or we lose. Considering how much I hate losing, I'm willing to try to show you guys the light.

It's still the type of thing that's very easy for scum to push without fear of backlash for it, even during the day phase if it doesn't go anywhere ['well I guess I'll hop off of Snake since it was time-meta anyway...' type of thing, just so easy to back off of].

Not everyone who votes you is looking for opportunities to jump on the biggest wagon; just gandalf. Who you have no problem with despite you going straight for Snake's neck when he voted you and going to back to mine after I voted you.

'Why did I ever take my vote off of you?' 'I'm willing to try to show you guys the light.' What are these AtEs for all of a sudden? Scared?

First, I was pushing it because it was a terrible claim if it was for last night. Realizing it was for yesterday night, I gave up on it. And honestly, if I were scum, I would just be going for whichever lynch was easier, not attacking the people that are more under the radar. Think about it, especially if it's MyLo.

Second, you were, why wouldn't you vote me before? You were looking for an easy way to attack the leading wagon.

The "why did I ever take my vote off of you" is something I say a lot. I said it in one or two of my other games on this site (cept they're both ongoing, so you'll have to go and figure out which ones if you wanna find them. I could link them to you when they finish but they're both larges so that might be a while)
And the show you guys the light thing is because I really don't want town to lose, and you're suddenly trying really hard for this mislynch, so I have to convince them that you're the scum here because that's the truth.

Xite, it's hard to take you seriously when you switch your vote every post.

I made a mistake. It happens. If you look real close you'll see that I put my vote back on the person I had been voting before said mistake.