/Confirmbv310 wrote:/confirm.
I've been wondering if, in this game, a mass name-claim would be useful. I know in previous U-Picks it's been productive, and I wanted to see what opinions are.
Bv, we'll discuss that during the day.
/Confirmbv310 wrote:/confirm.
I've been wondering if, in this game, a mass name-claim would be useful. I know in previous U-Picks it's been productive, and I wanted to see what opinions are.
I lol'd. I take it you're breadcrumbing?jimfinn wrote:Ice Punch:NicolBolasfor disagreeing
I asked if I could be a type, and if I could I wanted to be waterbv310 wrote:How the hell are you a type? What did you send in as a choice?
I'm Eevee, by the way. I was going to pick Magikarp, but I figured Eevee'd be more fun. I don't want to claim my abilities just yet, though.
I lol'd a bit, that should be put on display somewheregandalf5166 wrote:Off being lurkers. I BET THAT THEY'RE SCUM WITH DAYTALK WHO HATE JESUS. THEY'RE PROBABLY THINKING UP A FAKECLAIM OMFGZ!!!!!!!! Okay, maybe they don't hate Jesus. And forget the fact that there's way too many to make up a scumteam. >.<
This pretty much summed it up without quoting it, which is not something I plan to doXite91 wrote:Alright
Well, I am the Water Type
Each night I get to choose one player to do water-type damage to (Vig)
Which is why I wanted to claim, I want it to be town directed, and I don't think the doc should worry about me, the kill still goes through if I'm NK'd, and I'm sure there's better PR's to protect.
Answered it twice.Xite91 wrote:This pretty much summed it up without quoting it, which is not something I plan to doXite91 wrote:Alright
Well, I am the Water Type
Each night I get to choose one player to do water-type damage to (Vig)
Which is why I wanted to claim, I want it to be town directed, and I don't think the doc should worry about me, the kill still goes through if I'm NK'd, and I'm sure there's better PR's to protect.
gandalf5166 wrote:I was questioning jimfinn because the mod had said only kanto/johto. Also, Prox, usually when players can kill, they are told their kill flavor, i.e. how their target will appear as having been killed in the morning. I was wondering, since if someone shows up the next morning as having been killed through said flavor, it will basically confirm Xine. Also, Xine is not confirmed yet. SK claiming vig is not at all uncommon. But water type is an unlikely SK role, so if that really is her role, then she should have a plausible kill flavor, and someone should show up as killed in that way if there are two NKs. If we have two NKs, but neither is the claimed kill flavor, then Xine is lying SK. PREVIEW EDIT: That said, it's clear that Xine was not told her kill flavor..... Presumably, we'll know in the morning.
Uhm, after you were the one that asked about it? That seems a bit odd of a thing to slip through the cracks, no?gandalf5166 wrote:I had read, I saw you post that multiple times, I just didn't understand why you were doing it. It just hit me what you were talking about.
That, sir, WAS my kill flavour (as far as I'm aware)gandalf5166 wrote:Yes, but you didn't post an explanation for quoting something you had already said. I didn't see the lack of a kill flavor in that post as proof that you didn't receive one. So I wasn't sure why you were doing it.
You never know, it might, or something to the effect of a water-type move? Or maybe just drowning lulzgandalf5166 wrote:Well, in the morning, it isn't going to say, "gandalf5166 killed by water damage" in the morning.
Who else voted? Also, I'm trying to give him a bit more incentive to give his caseProx wrote:PREVIEW EDIT: I spy a blatant bandwagon.
First, wrong, not my reason for voting himmikeburnfire wrote: xite: vote:prox for pointing out that nicol was pointing out lurkers
Flavor claim withheld until other player show up.
After 1 post from a player that's been posting?mikeburnfire wrote:I'm Office Jenny.
Why does that first part have anything to do with the game? It came to me in a dream, k? (Maybe that's just what I wanted to be?)gandalf5166 wrote:Okay, why did you guys pick non-Pokemon? Just wondering. Because I didn't even think about choosing a person, or a type, or whatever. The only question was which Pokemon was my favorite.Also, condensing a paragraph of a post down to one or two words leads to some pretty major misrep.
Oh ok, my badgandalf5166 wrote:The first part had nothing to do with the game, just curious. Second part was referring to MBF's terrible summary.
o.o?jimfinn wrote:How about this: vote count please mod. Please no one else vote until we get a countI'm trying to keep track of all the wagons, but I just want to make sure I have it all correct.
How so? It just looked like his opinion of the game to me, also how do you misrep role-claims?gandalf5166 wrote:Yeah, pretty much every post has been successfully misrepped.
You never know, maybe they'll evolve into two different evolutions of eeveegandalf5166 wrote:I don't think that two Eevee claims = one must be scum. I might if it were any Pokemon other than Eevee.
Of course it is, when? D4, 5 if we get that far?Espeonage wrote:gandalf case coming soon.FoS: bvI want a post from you.
I'm gonna make a prediction, that being that we don't get it at all D1.gandalf5166 wrote:Gandalf case comingsoon, and not immediately, cause he has to go make one up real quick.
No one claimed Officer Jenny, it was an example they were using, read the WHOLE game ploxvezokpiraka wrote:Gandalf is scummy again. I believe he is scum. DIE.
Someone claimed Officer Jenny?
Intresting.
vote gandalf
Switz wrote:Also, I apologize for embarrassingly sheeping on the subject of your alleged "misrep." Reading it again, I didn't see the inaccurate statements I had earlier, and I'm sure I just skimmed the thread and gathered an osmosis opinion from the screaming of Xite, Gandalf, and Prox.
Osmosis from me? Weird...Xite91 wrote:How so? It just looked like his opinion of the game to me, also how do you misrep role-claims?gandalf5166 wrote:Yeah, pretty much every post has been successfully misrepped.
It'd be nice if you pointed this stuff out for future reference kthnx
What, you mean the wagon of 3 people? For something he's doing that's scummy?vezokpiraka wrote:Espeonage is probably not scum. The wagon on him grew too fast.
Rant much?gandalf5166 wrote:Yeah. "Everyone thinks he's scum, so he can't be scum." Wtf? And by the way, if a wagon starts on my scumbuddy, I immediately jump on. So the whole, "the wagon must be made of townies if it hits scum" idea is wrong.
Again, you mean the wagon of like, 3 people? How is that too fast in a few pages?mikeburnfire wrote:That's how I felt as well. Although now I'm preparing to jump on it myself if he doesn't start playing seriously.vezokpiraka wrote:Espeonage is probably not scum. The wagon on him grew too fast.
Mod: Can we get a Milktank-prod on kyle? He's being awefully Snorlax here.
Pulling a Vezo on someone that's it's a little more likely to work withRobocopter87 wrote:
Espeonage [3] gandalf5166, Xite91, Prox
gandalf5166 [4] Espeonage, mikeburnfire, vezokpiraka, Switz
That was more a slam against Vezo, if you couldn't tell.jimfinn wrote:Nonono, I'm not saying he's town because the wagon grew so fast, I'm saying I (have a null-read) and (am reading him closer than other players because the wagon grew so fast). Hopefully parenthetical separation clarifies my meaning.
My post had nothing to do with you, if it did, I would have made it abundantly clear.jimfinn wrote:I felt you were comparing me to Vezo and misreading me. I wanted my meaning to be clear.
He won't. its his meta lolNicolBolas wrote:I see you, bv310. C'mon, post please.
I can see us being good rivals, so to save myself the trouble, I have to ask, are you scum?drmyshottyizsik wrote:Vote: Xite
for old times sake, jk
unvote
Not this time round. But for some reason I can see you being scumdrmyshottyizsik wrote:Nope how about you?
We shall see.bv310 wrote:Oy. Nearly Forgot I was playing this game.
Catchup post will be in by tomorrow. Going to work now.
1) I lol'd a bit. It's only a 9 page game, and since when does playing aggressive = scum? If that was the case I would be scum 85-90% of the time, which, come on, that's just against statistics.Switz wrote:1) Long version: Throughout this game, Gandalf's been playing very aggressively. He's one of the more frequent posters, but despite this, there's very little content in his posts. In fact, I think it's safe to say there's no scumhunting in any of his play so far.
2) In the span of 15 minutes, Gandalf convinces Xite to claim by encouraging him to commit to his promise to be the first and his promise that there is a Doc waiting to protect him. Aside from the fact that this reasoning is opposite (which someone else pointed out, I don't remember who), this is just anti-town. The pro-town move to make would be to make sure Xite doesn't claim until more than, say, half the people in the game have had a chance to weigh in. Xite's claim broke down the floodgates, encouraging everyone else to join the massclaim.
3) Now, if Gandalf is scum, as I believe him to be, this course of action serves multiple purposes. It forces the town to focus on claims and keeps them from doing any initial scumhunting based on gameplay; instead we're theorizing based on claims. It also, in this particular case, convinced someone who appears to be a power role to claim. Regardless of Xite's alignment, this is bad for us; if he's really the Vig, he's now exposed and likely to get picked off, if he's scum pretending to be Vig, he's been outed in an attempt to gain our trust. And it accelerates the game's speed before everyone can weigh in. Scum have everything to gain from us moving faster than we should and not thinking about our actions.
4) Again, he sees someone hesitating to claim and pushes them over the edge. The only difference is this time he uses the stick instead of the carrot; whereas before claiming would warrant the protection of a Doc, now not claiming has the stigma of being labeled non-town. And his actions afterwards are even more interesting. Which leads me to my next point...
5) Through the game, Gandalf hasn't been actually coming up with any unique theories or arguments against anyone, at least not any with evidence. What he'd rather do instead is parrot back the beliefs of others to gain support. Like in this lovely exchange right after Nicol does claim.
6) Now, Gandalf hasn't been quite as guilty of these former offenses lately, because he's been busy trying to make everyone else (especially Espeonage, MBF, and Vezo) look scummy instead, and this is how: by pushing their apparent scumminess down our throats until we believe it. I'm not going to post quotes here because most of the posts I would quote are so short they'd waste space, but their message is always the same. If it's about Espy, he's saying that he lacks a case and is scummy. If it's about MBF, he starts talking about how his summary "misreps" everyone. If it's about Vezo, Vezo's making up the scumGandalf meta he's using. You get the drift.
7) The point is, if he pushes these ideas long enough, we're going to start believing them. But there's no hard evidence to back any of these assertions up. Espeonage could be making up the case, but we have no way of knowing. MBF could be misrepping, but no one has come forward with examples. Etc. But Gandalf doesn't need any evidence anyways as long as he can convince us to go after people like Espy without thinking about it.
Hmmm.... a great way to be an opportunistic voter, no?NicolBolas wrote:Hmm. I'll wait for Gandalf, bv310, and Espeopnage to post before i make up my mind..
I see, but why don't you just vote for who you think is scummiest, give a reason why, and do that whenever someone tops your scum list?NicolBolas wrote:True.
I just see several people being scummy. I'm not sure which to vote, that's the problem.
I want to see what Gandalf has to say RE: switz's case.
If i had to vote right now, i probably would vote Espeonage, but I'm starting to think Espeonage may not be scum. I need them to post before i can do anything.
bv promised a post, so i'm hoping that he will post it.
???NicolBolas wrote:Xite- my usage of votes is on whoever i would like to see lynched at that moment i vote. I'm not sure between several people, so instead of placing a vote and changing it when a player posts, i'm choosing to wait until one of the players i mentioned posts, then i'll vote after that. It wont make much difference either way in my opinion.
Alright gotcha.NicolBolas wrote:I believe that whenever i vote somebody, my vote should be on the person i would like to lynch.
As of right now, I'm not sure, between several options possible to me, so instead of placing a vote and then changing it after a player posts, i'm choosing to wait until a player that i previously mentioned posts, then i'll vote, because a post from them will be able to allow me to choose who i feel is more scummy.
I believe that my reclutance to vote is not something that would impact the game, because i will be voting quite soon.
Is that more clearer?
Bolded. Actually 2 or 3, but you stopped posting after you confirmed.bv310 wrote:Oh for the love of god. If I had a dollar for every "I'll post later" post in this game, I wouldn't need to save for a new laptop.
Also, Xite, don't pretend like you know my meta. We've played one game together.
Anyway, I've reread the last few pages, and I have to admit, Espeonage is the biggest standout to me. His refusal to provide a case while still trying to push a lynch is extremely scummy.
Prox is worse though. Softclaiming a scan problem, then not elaborating is a pretty basic scum tactic of claiming Miller.
Like I said, benefit of the doubt, now, who's scum?bv310 wrote:Oh yeah, forgot about that one. Not my best moment (committed to too many games at one time). I'm usually quite a bit better than that.
I'll be waiting, and I see that as an excuse because I know how meds work (I had to replace out of a few games because of the meds I had to be on for about a week and a half)drmyshottyizsik wrote:sorry xite, my foot is veryyyy broken, and I am very drugged up. I will out the best case i can together later tonight
I lol'd at the jokes.jimfinn wrote:VOTE: xite rereading his role claim way back there, I'm feeling something just a little farfetch'd about it. a bit fishy too. /bad jokes. but seriously, xite is pushing everyone way too hard right now I'd say. He's trying to make everyone else make a case, when he's not making much of one himself.
You have no idea the extent to which I lol'd.NicolBolas wrote:FOS Jarti
case coming later.
A lot of things could effect this, including town reactions can be similar to scum reactions so on and so forth.Espeonage wrote:Well because had I remained active I could have posted this case as soon as was perfectly applicible for amximum effect. It has worked for me before.
so do I and I say it's notEspeonage wrote:I have some shotty meta from an ongoing game. This is fair town from him.
1) What you mean a lot of the three votes? That were for pressure? Are you implying that there was scum in those three people? Or is this just because Gandalf was the first person on the wagon?mikeburnfire wrote:1) Simply because it was easy to attack him, andXite91 wrote:Again, you mean the wagon of like, 3 people? How is that too fast in a few pages?mikeburnfire wrote:That's how I felt as well. Although now I'm preparing to jump on it myself if he doesn't start playing seriously.vezokpiraka wrote:Espeonage is probably not scum. The wagon on him grew too fast.a lot ofthe votes were "Oh yeah me too" votes.
2)@Xite
How telling, that you would so readily come to Gandalf's defense. You actually spent time to tear down Switz's case on Gandalf, and really don't seem to give any consideration to the possibility that Gandalf is actually scum. If we lynch Gandalf and he turns up scum, I will look at you next.
3) Xite91 - You made a good case against gandalf, but not much else. I like the cut of your jib though.
4) mikeburnfire - Keep being awesome.
k. Gotchamikeburnfire wrote:Sorry, I switched your names around.
Switz - You made a good case against gandalf, but not much else. I like the cut of your jib though.
Xite91 - We'll see what to make of you in due time.
If I recall correctly, Espeonage said "No case right now", and racked up some fast votes, which were not meant for pressure but legitimate votes. It certainly felt like a speedlynch was in the works.
This is why he's scum.drmyshottyizsik wrote:Vote gandalf
Go for it... Wait, isn't it against the rules to claim scum?drmyshottyizsik wrote:do you want me to claim or something xite? cause I'm not sure how much you'll believe it.
Any wayUnvote
Vote Xite
It's scummy to take every little thing and turn it against people and misrep them without giving them a chance to explain themselves, sorry I voted your partner
Nice try.drmyshottyizsik wrote:Ya he isn't getting lynched today I just got mad and voted cause I was mad now really what I think we should do is start either an esppeonage wagon or a vezo wagon, We need more info before we go to day two, Gandalf may be todays lynch but a wagin on these to may make sense of the night actions and help us in D-2
Unvote
Vote: Espeonage
could you give links to said meta?gandalf5166 wrote:Hot damn, DMSIS is playing his scum meta.VOTE: DMSIS
Note: I'm still for an Espeo lynch, but DMSIS is ssssssoooooo scummy right now.
No, I want GAndalf to show me his proof for how this is your scum meta. Do not provide your links until he has done so, pleasedrmyshottyizsik wrote:I will provide links to all my done games in my next post
You're an idiot, and when you flip scum I'll be sure to look way further into gandalfdrmyshottyizsik wrote:my mfaia games
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... &start=400
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 11&t=14759
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... &start=425
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... &start=725
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 50&t=14105
My town games
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 23&t=14660
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 51&t=14151
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... &start=450
Three more games are almost over will link to them when they end. Have fun meta reading me
I posted all my games, have Gandalf point out which ones he wants you to read
Again, I'm pretty sure it's against the rules to claim scum, but go for itdrmyshottyizsik wrote:Would you like me to claim xite?
"all actions happen to you?"drmyshottyizsik wrote:I am ampharos and my pr is this
At any night I wish, I can make all actions happen to you instead of their regular target. I can only use this ability once.
It's like a lightning rod
(From sign up queue)Robocopter87 wrote:Once everyone has signed up, and I have made the thread, you will PM me the character you want to be from Pokemon. Can be a character from the Show, the Game, or a Pokemon itself, a type, a gym leader, anything. I the will make a role around your choice, try and be creative of your choices. Also, if you wanna help me out you can also put some links to background info to help me out. Then the game will start.Like any normal game. No weird game mechanics. Just your roles, your game. Expect my making the setup to take a little bit.because I want it to be Perfect, balanced and nice.Also, Must be from KANTO or JOHTO, The Cool School, not this newer stuff they got going on these days that are redundant, predictable and going off path.