Mini 1034 - Castlevania Mafia (Game Over)

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Relevant

Vote Kdub

For always stealing Dracula's cash! AND his Pot Roast!

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Oh, so, I've seen people try to get cute lately with really really really softclaims. So, for the lulz, I wonder what everyone thinks about claiming your game of origin?

I'll state right now that I'm actually against such an idea. I want to get a bead on other people's theory standing.

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Game series actually ^-^. And since SotN one of the premier examples of the "metroidvania" genre.

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Metroidvania
SoTN
Castlevania

Hope that helps ^-^. Also, see you in about three hours.

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Habit. The mod is a jerk >=[! Generally they know who the scum are and refuse to tell us, but in this case I think the mod plans to loot the castle!

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I want to get a bead on other people's theory standing.

Reading all the words would be a good idea, VV.

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@Mod: Can you take a break from breaking candles and chandeliers and fix my tags?

Done

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I'll probably wait for everyone to respond before I comment on various answers.

I will note we've had several posters not answer. Could you all be dears and get on that?

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I don't advocate policy lynches. They are lazy and generally pro scum. There are ways to read VIs. Use them.

Anyway,

MoI, you forgot my vote for Kdub!

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You can still determine if they are scum or town. I do advocate policy vigs, though. If we have a vig, feel free to shoot VIs .

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Also, Katsuki, feelings on game claim?

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I didn't suggest it so much as ask for opinions on it since I want to know some theory stances and see where they lead.

I'll probably inquire after more when everyone's responded.

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Right, tans, but would you support one or be against one.

Also, while I'm at it, if anyone who's already answered could provide reasoning for their choice (unless you already did), it'd help immensely.

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Morning MPR! Questions exist! Answer them at your soonest convenience. By which I mean now ^-^.

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Hi Coach Travis. I know this is your first post and all, but some of us with higher initiative have

already asked global questions :O

. If you would please answer it it'd be really appreciated ^-^.

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EBWOP: MPR: Yeah, that was the question. Thank you for your answer ^-^.

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OK, I think all that's left is zwets and McGriddle to answer. From there I can provide a few weak conclusions I've drawn ^-^.

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Wellp :V

Full claim your name and role, zwet.

If it's going to be you or me...um, well, it's going to be you. I'm of far more value to the town than you could ever hope to be.

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Oh, right, while I understand it doesn't necessarily need to be "me or you", I'm going to point out right now I don't believe "town lyncher" for two damned seconds.

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BullSHIT

Unvote, Vote zwet

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To be clear, Jonathan Morris has jack SHIT to do with my character. Zwet is bullshitting.

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EBWOP: Well, rather, according to the Castlevania wiki. I mean, hell, we're centuries apart.

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Oh, right, what happens if I'm NK'd? Or otherwise die by anything other than lynch? Do you lose? Or...?

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Meh, doesn't matter as much anymore, zwet claimed scum.

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To be clear, he very well could be a lyncher. I just don't buy the "town" part. His nameclaim makes him a lot more suspect though.

If he IS a lyncher, he's not an asset to the town. He's a pretty good lynch (though a better vig, admittedly). I'm probably going to park my vote on him until I find mafia. Claiming lyncher so early as mafia is kinda suicidal, to be fair.

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And McGriddle ignores my question. Kindly answer it please. While it matters less than previously, it still can be helpful in the future since zwet wouldn't be the only villain we're after this game.

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Doesn't necessarily mean anything. Hell, I would assume in such a heavily flavored game the mod would provide flavor falseclaims. Which is why I'm having trouble figuring out if you are scum or lyncher. You aren't town though.

Cut by McGriddle: The one about origin claims way on page 1.

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That was kinda lulzworthy.

Not sure what to make of it. Zwet's still a good place for my vote.

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And finally I think I need zwet's opinion before I expose what I've concluded. So, zwet, how does an origin claim sound?

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There are a lot of castlevania games. I've seen a lot of "HEY! YOU SHOULD CLAIM YOUR ORIGIN" plays in theme games a lot. I decided to pre empt them by asking about the general thoughts so I could get some theory information as well as slight intent. Also it got things moving a little.

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EBWOP: so, essentially, what I'm asking is do you think claiming game of origin is a good idea, and why or why not?

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Well, it seems a majority are against origin claim. This is a good thing.

My own arguments against it would be that it's only town benefit is trapping people in their claims from the start. I fully believe the mod would provide fakeclaims in a theme like this. It doesn't benefit the scum a whole lot either, but generally so early on, the less public info the better. Later on in the game D1 is a good day to look back at for people who have information they shouldn't.

Between his experience and his response, I have determined Dekes is likely town unless it's demonstrated that scum do actually have fakeclaims. Other responses were mostly neutral to slightly townie. I'll hit each one tomorrow when I'm a little less tired, since there were some I wanted to ask more about.

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EBWOP: DON'T actually have fakeclaims. Not do.

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/me sighs

Let us play the "How does that benefit scum" game :O!

Question: How does jumping on the Travis wagon benefit scum?
Question: How does the claim of being wary of you benefit scum?

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Oh? It's irrelevant to catch scum doing what benefits scum? Sounds a lot like you aren't hunting scum but easy targets. And that DOES benefit scum ^-^.

/me bares her teeth as she grins at zwet

I hope you wouldn't be trying to benefit scum, would you?

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@VV: Actually, unless they DON'T have fakeclaims. Once again, read all the words. That IS actually somewhat provable depending on the quality of claim once the shit hits the fan, so to speak.

Theory can belie intent on some small level as well. It's not enough to implicate anyone, to be sure, but it's a good sorting start.

Anyway, zwet's useless and benefitting scum. Unless he somehow decides to display town intent, I'm for his lynch.
His initial gambit is not my reason for this, it's his terrible reasoning afterward for everyone he's chosen to wagon and the fact he refuses to show his work and explain WHY it makes them scummy. He's using buzzwords that have no bearing on alignment.

semi busy this morning, eye appointment and such. Will go through the answers after that.

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Zwet's also generally useless so I admit I'm colored just a wee bit by the fact he's annoying ^-^;.

Admittedly, a policy lynch is a terrible idea and I would rather catch scum. So far zwet's shown the most scum intent, but it's been a really, really small amount.

At any rate, I'm gambling on KDub being a good mod and guessing that there are two ways he could have done this. One is providing fakeclaims to obvious scum like Dracula, Death, Camilla, Werewolf, Axe Armor...things like that. Two is making it so generally "good" guys are the scum in this case, convinced to do Dracula's bidding for whatever reason. Hell, that's happened in the games, so it's easily justified. The trick is figuring out which it is, but for now I'm willing to clear Dekes because I have a preference for the former solution as a mod myself.

If he does things with scum intent, of course I'll reassess my claim.

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@LMP: So why are you voting tanstalas instead of zwet, zwet being the first to shout OMGUS without providing any reasoning for the scumminess thereof?

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Fuuuuuuuuuuuuckkkkkkkk...can't read shit people...eye dilation...I kinda forgot that from the eye exam. When I can see again, I'll try to get you those results.

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So...um...basically everyone who votes you is somehow scum, tans? You also don't really get into the Dekes thing.

Meh, whatever, early D1, cases tend to suck.

At any rate I can mostly see now.

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VV: Interesting lack of a stance. Any particular reason you are "meh" on it?
LMP: Nothing of note.
Katsuki: Why do you support it? (Ah, wait, you explain this.) In that case, why is the "it does no harm" explanation suitable for supporting a game claim?
jenniwren: I think you explain why you're against it later. Ok, found your explanation. Um...granted, I don't expect many universal characters, but why are you opposed if you "think it's pretty unlikely that anyone could actually figure anything concrete out based on that information, though."?
Already commented on Dekes.
tans: This is an interesting chain of reasoning. I'd REALLY HOPE that no one would vote purely on flavor.
MPR: What makes you think it wouldn't matter?
Coach Travis: Why are full claims better in such an early situation? Do you understand the (slight) benefits of locking claims vaguely as opposed to explicitly?
McGriddle: Why?
zwet: And how does it benefit the scum to speculate based purely on game?

OK, I think that's all the lead ins. Sorry, I'm more questioning than concluding at this juncture.

Also, LMP: How does it benefit scum to HOS over voting? Why do you "love your vote"?

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Ok, so, how does stupid reasoning make one more likely to be scum? Please?

To be fair, that post you quote seems very defensive.

Oh, right, how does vote hopping make one more likely to be scum?

@Dekes: While I'm at it, how does defensiveness make one more likely to be scum?

I ask all these questions seriously, not with the intent to ridicule, but to understand the thought process, and also to encourage you examine your "tells" to see if they actually have scum intent in them.

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What prevents townies from being lazy, especially in early game? Fair point on the second. There does exist vote hopping that can benefit scum more.

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Meh, I accept your argument but disagree with the conclusion. Doesn't feel accurate to me.

It feels more silly than precisely scummy.

@zwet: Fair enough.

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No lynch is pretty much a terrible idea til mylo. And then it's basically based on what is the best strategy.

And while you shouldn't be lazy as town, people do do it that way. The trick is to figure out if it's scum intended laziness or not.

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Wise choice jenni.

So, I'll be honest, this whole fight disinterests me as far as scumhunting goes. You're arguing over drops in buckets. I will notify you when some actual scum intent starts occurring. I'll probably also poke people with questions as it interests me.

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No, scum intent is a fuckton more reliable than "scumtells". Scum intent reads the person, not a checklist of what they do. Scumtells catch...the most active person. Regardless of their alignment. Scum intent can actually be intelligently read.

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No, scum intent is a fuckton more reliable than "scumtells". Scum intent reads the person, not a checklist of what they do. Scumtells catch...the most active person. Regardless of their alignment. Scum intent can actually be intelligently read.

I disagreee vees zees hyposezis

That'd be cause you're an idiot. But it's OK zwet, hopefully that vig will put you out of your misery eventually ^-^.

Gonna bet tans is town. Wagon is happening too quickly and easily for bad reasons. But hey, feel free to wagon him, at least then wagon analysis will catch the scum later.

@everyone, what alignment is most likely to not pay attention to detail in posts?

Town.

If you are town you are scouring everyones posts for the smallest tell.

Then you're doing it wrong and you'll get a fuckton of false positives.


I apologize for the quote stripes, it was the easiest way to demonstrate my point. I'll try to avoid them in the future.

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Noted regarding claims. Thanks for the clarification. I'm in general agreement, though partial claims have a slight benefit of locking someone in a claim if done early enough. The disadvantage is of course scum generally have more tools to interpret such information than town.

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That's a ridiculously high number, tans. Usually minis are 3:9. If an SK is involved, it's generally more balanced to run 2:1:9. Admittedly, I tend to run 3:1:8. With two mafia groups it's generally 2:2:8.

Why do you think 4 scum ever?

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The other game consisted of 9 townies, 3 mafia, 2 SK's and a town vig.

10:3:2? That's...kinda scary.

And vigs count as pro town.

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Wow...that's...special. The prevalence of protective roles DOES make it slightly more balanced, but don't bodyguards die when their target is killed? I can't at all imagine this set up is a good idea, but, whatever.

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Ah, thanks LMP, for confirming that. And yeah, claiming at L-3 is kinda silly. How many games have you played again, Tans?

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Bad logic. I try my hardest to make sure the fakeclaims are relatively major characters when I make a theme game.

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Nah, it's just a mildly early claim and might reveal your power as you said. Either way, there are enough Castlevanias so that I'm pretty sure you could even use main protagonists as fakeclaims.

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Oh, I certainly agree.

But, I'll be honest, tas is reading hardcore newb town to me at this point.

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Quite frankly, you're making a bunch of newbie mistakes that the less discerning will call out as scum. There ARE Scum on your wagon, but not as many as you think. At this time, I would venture a guess there is only one scum voting you, assuming three in this game.

While newbs CAN be scum, they make different mistakes.

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Oh, right, over aggressiveness is not really indicative of scum. Lord knows I get VERY aggressive when I think I've found scum.

At any rate, rather than tell us to read their ISOs can you give us a link by link rundown of why they are scum?

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What you've produced are fairly weak cases. They are good for early D1, but very...um...assumptive that we know you're town. The reason I haven't really jumped in and started catching scum is they haven't played their full intent yet. There eventually ends up a post that reeks of scum intent and that's when I jump in. Course, I still am fine giving town reads as I get them.

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Trouble is mislynches don't often work like that, tans. As I said, you have probably one scum on your wagon right now, if that. Further, if the town is so dumb as you say, they won't be able to engage in the wagon analysis that will catch that one scum. And I'm just as fallible as anyone else. It's too subjective. I would heavily advise against 'martyr' strategies.

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Basically it's people being frustratingly idiotic. You just have to defend yourself the best you can, make cases the best you can, and overall just brush them off when it's gotten into a circuitous argument of stupidity. I've been in your position far too many times earlier in my mafia career. It's annoying to deal with.

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@Dekes: Nope, no one's done anything of interest besides being stupid. I'm not going to force a case out when there is none. If this keeps up I'll do a reread though to look a bit closer.

That said, interested in his defense to your case, it could be enlightening ^-^.

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Gonna note that while I'm most active post wise I've still not contributed much in the way of opinions because you all have been tied up in this tans business. There hasn't been anything to GO off of. All I have right now is Dekes town, tans town, and POSSIBLY zwet scum, but no real reason to believe that per se.

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@Dekes: Newb town thinking he'd get clever by softclaiming his PR. The entire "gambit" reeks of inexperience, not scumminess. How does it benefit him to nameclaim/softclaim a PR as scum so early?

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The fact it took you 10 pages to see that kinda says a lot.

Now, I do realized newbs still can be scum, and the RNG doesn't discriminate, but he's pretty consistently, to me at least, looked like town failing to help the town a lot, and trying desperately to do so. Word choice and the like implies it.

@LMP: But, knowing he's inexperienced, what makes him scum? Can you list it off?

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Now zwet, you should know I'm...relaxed, as it were. And I like to take it easy. No need to rush your lynch when we have 10 pages of chaff to ignore ^-^.

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@Dekes: The thing is, the wagon analysis only gets REALLY USEFUL once I have flips. So I need flips, or I need someone saying something town wouldn't say. Do you get what I mean now?

To be fair, I have been pushing various information out there since the start of the game that I can likely pick up later when I have more information.

Didn't get time today to make proper post. Will get to UK's post on tans claim.

Meanwhile, jenniwen, MPR and McGriddle are lurking quite happily.

So they are ^-^. There might be something in there to look for .

Jenni's post does make sense so I'm not as worried about her.

And, can't really argue with McGriddle, I feel mostly the same way . Well, I understand the cases, they just aren't good.

And zwet is being zwet. Good to know.

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Unvote, Vote MPR

He's an interesting little fella. He's been posting elsewhere, yet conveniently ignoring here. I wonder why ^-^.

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There was more information in that game, VV. You'll note that I was able to derive scum from the theory questions regarding the sleep cycle, and then find the breakdown of scum vs. town. Further, I died D1, and thus was able to deduce things without being personally involved for catching the rest of the scum (not that it helped).

Right now there hasn't been any strong fight I can draw conclusions from. I guarantee though, that the information that's floating about now WILL become more important once we have flips. But as it stands I don't have enough data.

@Dekes: But I have been scumhunting, and I've been voting since about Page 3. You at the very least have wagon analysis from me when people flip. And also note I said that when people say things with scum intent, I'll leap into action. I usually end up jumping in a week or two into D1 because someone's finally said something that can be used.

In this case though, it's what's not been said that has led me to vote MPR, and his...rather convenient appearance when people start noticing him has not done anything to ease my mind. Further, his vote sucks.

As for post 4, given his later posts about generally having an SK in his games, and linking as such, I don't think it's as indicative as it could be.

Of course, since you didn't read after his ISO post 10, you probably don't get to the point where he becomes kinda obv newb.

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EBWOP: Rather, be able to use my actions in wagon analysis.

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Well, that naturally helps scum more than town since the less said the less you reveal about your intent.

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Going to note self votes are not scummy or townie, just fucking stupid.

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I'm very curious how self voting benefits scum ^-^.

It's a null tell. If anything it's a stupid tell. Call it eccentric, but that doesn't mean it's not stupid.

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It was to zwet.

At any rate, that thread mostly just says it's stupid to self hammer, which I DO acknowledge has a slight scum advantage, but still leads to a scums death so it's not something I'd get bent out of shape over.

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Haven't I been saying that this whole time? Tans has been a little eager in attacking his attackers. In the interest of helping him help us, I'd like to ask you...

Tans, who are the scum that are NOT voting you or suspicious of you at this time?

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Careful tans. You're putting me in a position where I'm scum whether I attack you or not, and it doesn't necessarily logically follow.

...wow, SK claim much?

SpyreX replaces drmyshottyizsik.

FUCK.
YES.

@MPR: I think that's exactly what he's saying. I usually have a facepalm pic for these situations, but I'm too lazy to pull it up. At any rate, LMP has a point about the fact that tans is still right to not divulge the NK aspect. That said, I don't see you fishing for it so much as commenting on how silly it was to try to use the rules that way.

@CT: Well, as has already been bandied about, proven role does NOT equal proven alignment.

But, whatever, at this point I figure tans is Town or SK. SK would fit with a few things he's said. Admittedly, I'd want to see at least one night before lynching based on SK Spec.

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Well, it depends on a lot of factors, zwet. Because again, it doesn't really prove itself well, and is actually kinda a scummy power, but REALLY POWERFUL for scum, hence my conclusion of SK. It's a really innovative SK power, if an SK exists. Problem is, we have no evidence an SK exists.

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3.) UK you're probably town too but you forgot the key part about 'scum intent' - that it has an inverse. WHY in the hell is there a wagon on tans who is twirling town on a level unparalleled - wrong about some stuff, but town nonetheless.

You clearly haven't been reading my posts.

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@zwet: Unlikely.

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I've been telling everyone they are moronic to vote tans. But to be honest? I wanted his wagon to continue because I expect a lot of intent will be revealed once we have some flips to work with. Hence why I've been like "Guys, he's newb town" "Guys, seriously, he's newb town" "Guys, he's fucking newb town" "Oh for the love of God, he's fucking newb town" throughout the game, but not going farther beyond that.

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Not uncommon, but at the very least the role is verifiable. You don't claim an unverifiable role without something to back it up.

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You're plan sounds SKish Tans. Are you an SK?

Also hai Katsuki, already covered the Tans claim being SKeriffic.

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@Dekes: I see no need to lynch SK D1. Let me put it this way. If he kills, we'll know he's the SK and lynch him. If he doesn't kill, the main problem with having an SK around suddenly doesn't matter as much. I'd rather lynch mafia, to be honest.

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The problem is cops don't often get a guilty on SK's, but it really depends on the type of SK.

I'm certain we can extract the truth after a night of actions ^-^.

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I'd rather lynch mafia, as I said, especially when we have no PROOF an SK exists, merely speculation.

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SpyreX at least gets it.

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Oh my. Is that all you have? Can you tell me how my supposed buddying is any scummier than anything else in this thread? Or perhaps how agreeing with SpyreX, who actually made the same points I made all game, benefits scum?

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Huh, I actually missed it before :V.

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To which questions? Yes to that being all you have and no to any ability to actually explain it?

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MPR and McGriddle are both bad. I get a more careless lazy feel from McGriddle though.

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CT is weird. I'm not OPPOSED to his wagon. But it just feels odd to me for reasons I haven't pinpointed. I REALLY need to not be lazy and check it out more in depth.

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Oh? He's been on? That's almost more solid than MPR

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Well, you're like the FedEx of spys, so it makes sense.

Gonna look into this CT thing.

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I'm not finding it easily. Did he actually post anywhere or was he just online for that time?

FAKE EDIT: Found it. 4:47 my time. Your time zone sux >=[! EDT REPRESENT!

Anyway, proof he was on long enough to respond?

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Precisely my point, my dear Zwetson.

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What's wrong with Holmes ? I like Holmes .

I agree if a post existed I'd be on CT like a kitten on a mouse.

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...no, Sherlock. You FAIL, tans. FOREVER.

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No, sorry, gonna vote for Sherlock.

Though admittedly, you know who I really find appealing?

MOTHERFUCKING JIMANG!

I have no idea why but he's hot.

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Hate is such a strong word. But I certainly agree with the sentiment zwet. Books are a far more constructive activity .

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Well, whatever, jimang is hot. That's all that really needs to be said.

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I believe we're not going to reconcile this argument easily on the basis that I assume you are a straight male, whereas I'm a pansexual female.

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A panda is fine too if their personality is awesome enough :V.

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EBWOP: Oh, and if they somehow have the ability to consent. Consent is kinda the main issue I have with bestiality as a concept.

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Meh, I probably have pictures hidden somewhere on this site. You could go on a scavenger hunt in the picture thread :O.

And yeah, this is the most important conversation of the game. From it I will deduce the scum in lylo.

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Oh, you went looking? And what, pray tell, was the verdict? For my own curiosity has been piqued.

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I seem to get that a lot ^-^;

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Not THAT young usually ^-^;...Most people think I'm around 16 to 18. I'm 20...

Well, whatever.

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Heh, so I see.

Oh, hey, we're playing mafia, not posting in GD

Um...You're a very bad man, MPR >=[! Being all lurky and stuff but postan in other games!

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That's quite an observation! It might be true, and it seems kinda scummy, you know. To only...HAPPEN to jump in when you're under fire...but NEVER HELPING THE TOWN, HMM~!?

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...EBWOP: That post becomes SO MUCH FUNNIER if you think of it as coming from a 12 year old girl .

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As in 95.4% noise?

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Dekes unvoted.

CT is at L-1
MPR is at L-2

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Admittedly, I'm finding these wagons AWESOME. We are going to have SO MUCH FUN with these voting patterns later ^-^.

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Ah, fuck, I missed that.

Ok. So both SHOULD be at L-2. Katsuki, I hope you realize you're the swing vote. That can be both a point for you or a point against you, depending purely on the flips of either CT or MPR (possibly both depending on how things go)

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Swing votes are a big tell. I've used them to clear townies. Less often I've used them to catch scum.

Basically, if CT flips and is scum, you're practically conf town. If CT flips town, you're slightly scummier. If MPR flips scum, you're a fair bit scummier, but not confirmed scum by any means. If MPR flips town, you're slightly more likely to be town.

Make sense now?

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It's rather WIFOMtastic at this point. I'm going to have to reassess your case after a night has passed.

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Hammer votes aren't swing votes.

MPR is still scum, no read on CT except gut town.

Also, ~*~experience~*~ on my part implies ur wrong. So there.

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...wait.

Why would I be "setting up your mislynch". Don't you think CT is scum?

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No I'm not, tans. Read the votecounts again, please? I've never voted CT, as far as I know. I'll check my ISO to be sure.

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Yep, haven't changed my vote since here

FAKE EDIT: ...you quoted Katsuki?

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McG wouldn't be a bad lynch, but it'd be more policy like than precisely scum hunting.


What question? You can talk to anyone on this site, you just shouldn't talk about ongoing games.

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Hmm? That's odd, I thought MPR was at L-2 earlier...argh.

That means that zwet now has the wonderful position of swing vote.

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Oh, derp. Nevermind :V.

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Meh, it's not great but it's still better than other things I've seen. What good have you done the town again? Have you even produced a suspect list?

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You know what'd be REALLY COOL?

Suspect lists from CT and MPR. In fact, a summary of

your thoughts

on the game so far would be really awesome. Do NOT confuse this with a summary of the game.

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That's new .

Is there a case, or are those "irrelevant?"

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Well, when you're completely wrong there's nothing else to say. Read my posts and try to actually not make stuff up ^-^.

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Not worth my time. Anyone reading my post then your post will basically get how useless your post was. As well as inaccurate.

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It's obviousness itself. Just because you're too stupid to get it doesn't mean other people won't. Meh, I might consider debunking it later when I'm not seething at the incredible doltitude you exhibit.

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/me sighs

You know what? I'm not being very pro town right now. I have no good reason for withholding why you're pretty fucking wrong except for the fact that your conclusions are so utterly stupid, it feels like a waste of time to refute them.

If you read what I said, I said you weren't a BAD lynch. First of all, nowhere does your vote for me come into this. You've been fucking USELESS to the town and have pretty even odds of being scum since, quite simply, scum don't want to give away information.

Secondly, I said that if we did lynch you, it'd more likely be a policy lynch. I preceded this with a but, implying that I DO NOT support said course of action.

Thirdly, I never voted you, therefore I haven't been "offering a policy lynch" on you. If I wanted you lynched right now, I'd fucking vote you.

So, tl;dr

learn to fucking read

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Theory disagreement. There ARE advantages to getting and SK out of the way, namely reducing the amount of anti town kills. That said, I'd like a night to pass before I jump on tans for being SK.

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Yep! Lurking is scummy, especially when you're posting elsewhere. QUITE happy with my vote.

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Oh, yeah, here, McGriddle, have some vig directing to add to your "case"

HEY! IF THERE'S A VIG, OR HELL, IF YOU'RE AN SK TANS, COULD YOU SHOOT MCGRIDDLE? I DON'T LIKE POLICY LYNCHES, BUT POLICY VIGS ARE WHAT THAT FRIGGEN ROLE IS FOR!

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Being at L-1, you should probably claim.

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Meh. Claim does not impress me either way on CT's alignment. For now I think MPR is still a better lynch. But seriously, scum trackers aren't that farfetched.

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So hey, anything actually interesting happening here or is the day zombie still shuffling along at it's snail pace?

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Good luck with that.

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Hammer at will gaiz.

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Well maybe you shouldn't have sucked >=[!



Got reasoning for any of those? at all?

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Yeah, not my best game. I wasn't analyzing it closely when I died, and I kinda let confirmation bias take over while I lived.

@VV: No, I'm pretty sure I was just saying that zwet is a terrible, terrible player who should be policy vigged at every opportunity, not softclaiming, even subconsciously.

I guess I'll be more clear next time. You know, he says I'm his lynchee and I'll be all like.

"Yeah, no, I'm pretty sure that zwet is a terrible terrible player who should be policy vigged, HINT HINT TO ANY VIGS, and I am of far more worth to the town than he could ever hope to be. This is true even if I were scum."

Yeah, in fact, just remind me of this post next time I'm in a game with zwet.

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Well, of course I can't really debunk that theory since I wouldn't know. I will state I'm TRYING to be less angry though, since it doesn't get a whole lot done. So, while that tell might work at first I think that it will slowly apply less and less as I get better at controlling myself.

To be fair, I don't place much value on bodyguard and overall tried to forget I was one.

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Hmmph, my scumdar isn't so much terrible so much as it is chaotic. I tend to hit or miss in huge ways. Either I'm catching most of the scum or none of them. It seems rare I only catch one or two. And it progresses throughout the game, of course.

This game was just missing :V.

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@Katsuki: Dram is a fucking moron. Sorry, but he is. He's REALLY one to talk about terrible scumdar when he hardly plays the damn game. I mean, seriously, he's VI level. He is, however, a decent mod.

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Not really hate so much as retaliation for spreading patently untrue things about me. Well, mostly untrue, anyway. Especially from a position of hypocrisy. Dram's a nice person but I kinda have problems with libel.