We could get confused between him and podium123455. Plus he's an ass.
Mini 1035 - Devil's Town - GAME OVER
-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
tl;dwZodiark13 wrote:EBWOP: Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qsWFFuYZYI"LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
Did this game stall 14 posts in?
Lets try stirring some debate. I'd like everyone to answer this please:
Lynch all Lurkers. Agree or disagree. Why?
I'll go first. I disagree with lynch all lurkers. I think it attempts to punish players for bad play, but doesn't succeed (they just join another game to lurk in), while actively harming the town by distracting them from pursuing scum."LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
I'm not sure what you mean by "how do you lynch scum day 1", but it seems to me that you force lots of interactions and look for scummy motivations/interactions from players.
@Dr. Pepper: Does that mean your vote is no longer an RVS vote?"LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
What is hard to understand about this? He voted Blaze for his first post, presumably it was an RVS vote. Then he decided he "liked his vote", so I just wanted to clarify that he meant his vote was now not-RVS, and he replied that his vote is indeed no longer RVS.Untrod Tripod wrote:
ow, my brainDr Pepper wrote:LynchMePls wrote:
@Dr. Pepper: Does that mean your vote is no longer an RVS vote?
Yes."LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
Ok, I'm on board.Blaze wrote:
I voted for you because you pretty much voted for me...in your first post. I should have said why but I thought it was obvious. My bad to everyone else.Dr Pepper wrote:Things Zordiak is Wrong about- Blaze's vote is textbook OMGUS regardless of supposed randomness
- edmund's plan is NOT valid, it sets up an excuse for lazy scum hunting
- LynchMe's question is not generating relevant discussion
Vote: Blaze"LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
Am I misunderstanding something? Is Blaze trying to say he just RandOMGUS'ed? I thought he was being serious.podium123456 wrote:Also, I don't like how Lynchmepls and nexus piled on the Blaze wagon solely off of that RVS vote."LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
I say again, according to Blaze's post, it sounded like he was saying it wasn't random. When exactly did he make it clear it was RVS? If he intended it to be an RVS OMGUS vote, then why not say something to that effect?"LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
Do you mean D1, or ever? Cause I've caught scum by finding connections between them and I think it's a very useful tool.edmund.angles wrote:about Zodiark13's scumbuddy speculation (Blaze,Dr. Pepper): I find scumbuddy speculation pretty useless, it is difficult enough to find one scum at a time, creating complicated theories about connections will only distract us.
As for my "suspicions" I don't have much new to add. I was suspicious of Blaze because I thought he was admitting to OMGUS, but then he came back and explained that he was randoming. The interaction between Dr. P and podium is interesting, I'm still watching it to see how it shakes out. Right now I'm leaning town on Zodiark.
Dr. Pepper's bullet lists are starting to annoy me.
Are you gonna make a judgment about something else then perhaps? This post was incredibly wishy-washy. You wanna take a stand on anything? Post 60 was a big ball of saying nothing in as many words as possible.untrod tripod wrote:I'm not going to make judgement on either podium or dr p's alignment, although I agree with what people have said in that we will probably find scum on the blaze wagon.
Vote: untrod tripod"LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
I've already explained this. He made a statement that read to me like he was making a deliberate OMGUS vote, and not a random vote. He has since come back and explained that it was RVS and he sounded believable, so I unvoted. Now some return questions: What was wrong with my vote? Exactly what about the vote was bad?Untrod Tripod wrote:bloodthirsty much? I realize that voting and stuff has to take place at the beginning of the game, but I really don't think you can make hard and fast calls on someone's alignment with this little information given. I'm getting scummy vibes from Dr P's posts like this [/quote[
What exactly is bloodthirsty about my voting you? My vote wasn't on anyone, and you said something I didn't like, so I voted you. Calling it bloodthirsty is really interesting.
Untrod Tripod wrote:A question to Nexus and LMP: why did you vote on the Blaze bandwagon?"LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
Asked and never answered. Please answer this UT.LynchMePls wrote:
I've already explained this. He made a statement that read to me like he was making a deliberate OMGUS vote, and not a random vote. He has since come back and explained that it was RVS and he sounded believable, so I unvoted. Now some return questions: What was wrong with my vote? Exactly what about the vote was bad?Untrod Tripod wrote:bloodthirsty much? I realize that voting and stuff has to take place at the beginning of the game, but I really don't think you can make hard and fast calls on someone's alignment with this little information given. I'm getting scummy vibes from Dr P's posts like this [/quote[
What exactly is bloodthirsty about my voting you? My vote wasn't on anyone, and you said something I didn't like, so I voted you. Calling it bloodthirsty is really interesting.
Untrod Tripod wrote:A question to Nexus and LMP: why did you vote on the Blaze bandwagon?
Still love my vote. I'm sympathetic to an ABR wagon though, for the "hammer"."LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
My original point wasn't that you weren't posting, its that you were saying a lot of words without actually taking a stance on anything. Interesting to note that you thought my vote on you was because you weren't posting and that you have since changed that though."LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
This is a lie.podium123456 wrote:
You haven't mentioned ABR once all gameLynchMePls wrote:Still waiting for an answer to my question from UT.
ABR is at L-1 now, correct? I'm willing to hammer after the claim.
I know you saw this, because you even took the opportunity to explain to us that TDC had already claimed so we should lynch him instead, here:LynchMePls wrote:Still love my vote. I'm sympathetic to an ABR wagon though, for the "hammer".
Well I don't think TDC is scum, so I'm not going to lynch him. I think Untrod Tripod is scum, but apparently no one else agrees or even feels the need to comment, and he seems reluctant to answer my questions, so I'm announcing my willingness to hammer ABR. You honestly think I should hammer someone I don't think is scum just because of the VT claim? I'm not doing that.podium123456 wrote:TDC has already claimed vanilla. If you guys put albert at L-1, we risk exposing a PR and/or narrowing mafia's choices for PR hits. Keep that in mind."LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
Ok, I think I understand what Podium is trying to say. We've already forced a claim out of the VT, so if he is lying, then good, but if he is telling the truth and we don't lynch him, we've just made it easier for the scum to hit a PR.Tazaro wrote:
@LMP. This is your judgment call. Do you want to hammer or do you want to take Podium's advice that I quoted?podium123456 wrote:2 claims on D1 is very bad for town, imo.
if you assume 2 mafia (but there could be 3 which would be worse), they have a 1/5 (or 1/4 with 3 maf) chance of killing a PR... on N1. you guys need to keep that in mind.
i would rather lynch a VT than risk exposing/killing a PR, when we have a mislynch (or mislynches) to spare.
@Podium: Are you saying that I should hammer him even if I think he is town, just to keep us from having another claim? I've played a half dozen games or so on this site so far, and I've never been in a situation where someone hammered a claimed VT they thought was town."LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
I agree with TDC about your hammer of ABR after pushing Dr.P/TDC lynch so hard. Also, given a quick ISO of edmund, I'd like toZodiark13 wrote:
I said this once, not "going on and on about" as you are attempting to suggest.All I see is you going on and on about how I totally should be lynched because I claimed Vanilla and because that's "rule two of lynching"
Albert was acting more scummy than you, 'nuff said.and when the wind turns and ABR is the choice of the moment you suddenly decide I'm oh so town and have made up for Dr P and hammer ABR.
In the event this is a serious question, I think we should try to identify the killer based on ed's NK. Obviously either he was suspicious of someone who is scum or created watcher tells/breadcrumbs. There is also the possibility that scum just got lucky, but I personally consider this unlikely.What's gonna be our subject of discourse now it's daytime?
Vote: Zodiark13"LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
The bolding is mine. UT is whishy-washy fence sitting again. What a shock.Untrod Tripod wrote:It's really rough when you have a decent player replace into a slot that was acting like total scum.On the one hand, I want to give TDC a chance, because he's not acting anything like Dr Pepper,but on the other handDr Pepper was acting like scum and I know I should care about the slot more than the player. The best thing to do imo is analyze the surroundings of the Dr Pepper wagon and the ABR lynch."LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
24+ hours and only 3 posts. I'm guessing this game is due for some prods. I have nothing new to add. I'm happy with the wagon and eagerly awaiting ConfidAnon's catch up post."LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
Oh goodie, now I'm glad to know there aren't 3 mafia in this mini game...podium123456 wrote:I didn't know about this rule... so that means we have a maximum of 2 mafia, which is good to know.
That was completely pointless. Why did you even bring that up podium?"LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
Wow, I'm just going to have to get used to hating your posting style I guess. More wishy-washy words like "IthinkTaz jumps to the top of my scumlist" and "Taz is twitching my scumdar and I'm still iffy on TDC...". Do you ever commit to anything? And do you have a link to a recent scum game for me?"LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
I find it interesting that Taz was willing to unvote before asking Incognito why he wanted the unvote. Looks like buddying up to the new player.
@Taz: If you are questioning his motives, why not ask this and get an answer first?Tazaro wrote:You think things are going to happen to make us ready?"LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
Thank god, sanity has been brought to this game. I've been barking up this tree for awhile with absolutely 0 help.Incognito wrote:I knew I was forgetting something.
vote: Untrod Tripod
Unvote
Vote: Untrod Tripod"LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
Please explain my "tunneling". I saw behavior I thought was suspcious, I made a case about it and voted along with my case. I got 0 sympathy for my case, and have sense moved on, even voting others (ZodiarK) because I realized that my UT opinion wasn't very popular. Then someone with common sense joins the game, sees what I see, and votes UT. So I go back to him.Tazaro wrote:LMP's tunneling Untrod Tripod, but I don't agree with that tunneling; it's to easy to tunnel.
At what part was this "tunneling"?"LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
@Taz: So if I criticize one players posts, but don't criticize others, I'm tunneling? If that is the case, then why is tunneling scummy? Your defeinition of tunneling matches my definition of "making a case". The "inordinate-ness"? WTF does that even mean? So let me get this straight, I see scum behavior from UT, I point it out, no one agrees, so I drop it. Then we get a replacement, that replacement sees what I mean, and agrees with me and places a vote on UT. So if I go back to UT it's scummy? How does that make any sense? Wouldn't it be scummy if I hadn't gone back to UT?
@Zodiark: That is lols. So "If you seriously felt that he was scum, you shouldn't have given up the case", yet I'm being called a tunneler for what I did do. Talk about a catch-22. If I keep voting him, I'm tunneling. If I stop voting him, I'm tunneling.
I feel like I've taken crazy pills."LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
This is absurd. Apparently I made "1 post about it", but I'm also tunneling. Both of these ideas are factually incorrect.
LynchMePls wrote:
Are you gonna make a judgment about something else then perhaps? This post was incredibly wishy-washy. You wanna take a stand on anything? Post 60 was a big ball of saying nothing in as many words as possible.untrod tripod wrote:I'm not going to make judgement on either podium or dr p's alignment, although I agree with what people have said in that we will probably find scum on the blaze wagon.
Vote: untrod tripodLynchMePls wrote:
I've already explained this. He made a statement that read to me like he was making a deliberate OMGUS vote, and not a random vote. He has since come back and explained that it was RVS and he sounded believable, so I unvoted. Now some return questions: What was wrong with my vote? Exactly what about the vote was bad?Untrod Tripod wrote:bloodthirsty much? I realize that voting and stuff has to take place at the beginning of the game, but I really don't think you can make hard and fast calls on someone's alignment with this little information given. I'm getting scummy vibes from Dr P's posts like this [/quote[
What exactly is bloodthirsty about my voting you? My vote wasn't on anyone, and you said something I didn't like, so I voted you. Calling it bloodthirsty is really interesting.
Untrod Tripod wrote:A question to Nexus and LMP: why did you vote on the Blaze bandwagon?LynchMePls wrote:My original point wasn't that you weren't posting, its that you were saying a lot of words without actually taking a stance on anything. Interesting to note that you thought my vote on you was because you weren't posting and that you have since changed that though.
That demonstrates that I didn't make "1 post about it". As for the "tunneling", I pushed the case as far as it would go, the day ended in a lynch, and then the next day I followed a different line of inquiry (Zodiark). I've only come back to UT now that someone has finally agreed with my position on him. I don't know how that can possibly be seen as "tunneling". I seriously feel like I'm in bizzaro world.LynchMePls wrote:Wow, I'm just going to have to get used to hating your posting style I guess. More wishy-washy words like "IthinkTaz jumps to the top of my scumlist" and "Taz is twitching my scumdar and I'm still iffy on TDC...". Do you ever commit to anything? And do you have a link to a recent scum game for me?
At this point I think that either of Zodiark/UT are great lynches for today. Pretty sure we'll hit scum either way."LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
I really don't get this. It is mind-bogglingly frustrating. I pursued the case yesterday over multiple posts and was COMPLETELY IGNORED by the rest of the town. Then today I even made a post pointing out that he was continuing his wishy-washy play style and WAS COMPLETELY IGNORED AGAIN. Then Incognito shows up, actually reads UT and my posts and agrees with me and votes UT. Then I vote UT, and somehow this makes me scummy. Simply astonishing. I seriously do not understand the logic here.podium123456 wrote:Personally i still find Dr. P's rage quit scummy, and that's probably always going to be associated with that slot for the rest of the game.
Still think zordiak's behavior was scummy, and lynch worthy, at the moment.
LMP... been getting a slightly scummy scum vibe here... mostly gut. dont like how he says he thought UT was scum, but didn't pursue/vote him today until incognito started making a case.
Haven't been a fan of Taz's input so far.
That's about all i got... can't really get into this game, and haven't seen much that has jumped out and grabbed me."LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
But wouldn't that be tunneling, the very thing people are accusing me of and claim is scummy? That's why I called it a catch-22 earlier. If I sit my vote on him and keep pushing it, I'm tunneling and thus scummy. If I move my vote to other avenues of inquiry and then come back when more evidence appears and others are more receptive, I'm scummy. I mean what the hell!
Lets be clear, I didn't completely stop pursuing the case, I even pointed out when he continued doing his scummy behavior, I simply moved my vote to another scummy player.podium123456 wrote:The logic is that if UT was such a hot target in your mind, you would pursue him regardless of whether or not anyone else was with you."LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
I just realized that Taz was a slot I replaced in a game, and his behavior was really crazy in that game too. It's the ghostbusters game in my wiki in case anyone wants to look at it. His play here looks no different to me than his play there."LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
I'm VT.
That's standard 9-man for newbie games, but this isn't a newbie game. I see no reason why town couldn't have tracker + watcher. Tracker is like a weaker cop and watcher is like a reverse bodyguard (you don't save the target, but you get to catch the killer scum).Untrod Tripod wrote:because he's lying scum. He claimed an information role and provided us with no information. How likely is a tracker and a watcher in the same game? Isn't 9-player setup either just a cop or a doc+cop as PRs on the town side?"LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
There is no need to rush this lynch. ISOs are under way. Today isn't just for lynching obv-scum UT, but for finding his partner too.
Taz's vote looks like he is eager to be on the bus."LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
Or you're both scum distancing from each other.Untrod Tripod wrote:
or you're scum and your pard'ner (if this game has a two person mafia team) is waiting for someone else to vote for meTazaro wrote:Either (1) UT is scum; or (2) he would have been hammered by now."LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
Alright, I'm going to ISO everyone left in the game. I'm going to start with UT, since he is almost certainly scum, and I'm going to look for connections. Then I'll ISO the others in order of my read from scum to town.
The problem with this post is that at the time the only discussion the town was having (useful or not) was about this event. Trying to stifle the activity is scummy. The town needs to exit RVS, and attempts to stop the progression of the game are bad bad bad. It also fence-sits and is completely unwilling to make a statement about the event. Was it scummy? Was it not? No opinion just "chill out dude".Untrod Tripod wrote:I just want to point something out. Dr P and podium are having an argument that, essentially, boils down to how they interpret this:
which, I'd like to remind you guys wasBlaze wrote:VOTE:Dr Pepper
- the 3rd post in the game
- in response to a random vote.
so, I guess what I'm trying to say is
- chill
- out
- dude
I'm not going to make judgement on either podium or dr p's alignment, although I agree with what people have said in that we will probably find scum on the blaze wagon.
This is interesting, as it could be seen as a defense of Blaze(Taz). Someone says they found possible evidence of Dr. P/Blaze scum team and UT starts to question it.Untrod Tripod wrote:
I don't follow. What's your evidence?Zodiark13 wrote: Also, @everyone, care to share your opininons on this post I made? It seemed to have gotten lost under the creation of a new thread page.
tl;dr, Dr P. and Blaze are scumbiddies, and I found possible evidence.I'm suddenly finding it very suspicous that Dr P. was the only one that considered Blaze's vote to be OMGUS, and for him to attempt to pursuade everyone it was, only for Blaze to come out and say it was.
Questions the Blaze(Taz) bandwagon. Says he thinks Dr. P is scummy (who was pushing the Blaze wagon). This could be distancing from Dr. P(TDC) or protecting Blaze(Taz)Untrod Tripod wrote:
well technically your second vote makes it a bandwagon, especially the part where there's no reason given for it.Albert B. Rampage wrote:Vote Untrod Tripod
I will go ahead and join the bandwagon. I'm keeping an eye on Dr.Pepper.
bloodthirsty much? I realize that voting and stuff has to take place at the beginning of the game, but I really don't think you can make hard and fast calls on someone's alignment with this little information given. I'm getting scummy vibes from Dr P's posts like thisLynchMePls wrote:Are you gonna make a judgment about something else then perhaps? This post was incredibly wishy-washy. You wanna take a stand on anything? Post 60 was a big ball of saying nothing in as many words as possible.
Vote: untrod tripod
I'm a cautious players, so I tend to avoid saying "he's scum, he's scum, he's scum" early. That's just how I roll.Dr Pepper wrote:Things podium has lied about
Blaze's vote being random and light-hearted
giving Blaze the benefit of the doubt
while condemning me with assumptions
My reasons for voting Blaze
His OMGUS vote
and for pressure to contribute
hard since he's being defended for no reason
Me calling any player scummy
The severity of his slips
A question to Nexus and LMP: why did you vote on the Blaze bandwagon?
This is another post where he could be distancing from TDC. He said that D1 his biggest suspicion was of Dr.P(TDC), but he wants to give the replacement a "chance". Why do replacements have to be given a "chance"? If the slot was scummy before, why does it getting a replacement nullify that scumminess?Untrod Tripod wrote:
QFTTazaro wrote:Zodiark, trying our hands at identifying, on day two, the killer based on edmund's death is basically a Wifom dead end.
It's really rough when you have a decent player replace into a slot that was acting like total scum. On the one hand, I want to give TDC a chance, because he's not acting anything like Dr Pepper, but on the other hand Dr Pepper was acting like scum and I know I should care about the slot more than the player. The best thing to do imo is analyze the surroundings of the Dr Pepper wagon and the ABR lynch. But still,IGMEOY TDC
I'm not so much thinking that Zodiark hammering before the claim was such a scummy thing. What would you guys have said if he'd said "oh, uh, I claim cop"? I think revealing ABR's role would have either required a PR to counterclaim (since there seems to be no vig we couldn't have found him dead last night if he'd claimed a killing PR that someone else had and we kept him alive, or the cop/doc would have had to come out which would have been a bad plan on day 1). We had some discussion before the hammer about the relative intelligence of requiring a claim and I kind of fall on the side of not wanting a second claim on day 1.
I'll have to think/observe/reread more to decide where my vote needs to go.
This post actually read kind of townie to me. It's interesting compared with how he reacted to my poking on D1. On D1 I pushed him for being wishy-washy and his response was to start making some stances (appease me). However, on D2 when I push him for that behavior he basically tells me to get bent. Seems like scum would actually try to appease again. This post actually felt genuine to me.Untrod Tripod wrote:
I thought he was being especially stubborn and confrontational. Also him replacing out did nothing to help how his alignment looked. I don't think he looks like obviscum, but thought he was playing somewhat anti-town.TDC wrote:And I don't really remember you being particularly suspicious of Dr. P at the time, could you elaborate what exactly it is that bothers you so much about him?
cry moar. I'm not going to be less cautious because you're baiting me. that's just how I roll, dawgLynchMePls wrote:UT is whishy-washy fence sitting again. What a shock.
And then he is back to the wishy-washy again. Of particular note is his statement here that he "really don't get what's so scummy about Zodiark". But he quick hammers him without a claim anyways later. Thanks scum.Untrod Tripod wrote:
I really don't get what's so scummy about Zodiark. I didn't find his vote all that suspect and I don't think he's scum.Tazaro wrote:Yah, there's a certain timing element to Zodiak's vote, and from this I see Zodiark's game play as suspect.
Vote: Zodiark
I would, however, say that there's "a certain timing element" to Taz's vote on ABR. He jumps in and puts a quick vote on ABR and now is calling Zodiark obviscum. If Zodiark gets lynched and flips town, I think Taz jumps to the top of my scumlist.
Insofar as there really hasn't been all that much said, I don't really have much else to say. Taz is twitching my scumdar and I'm still iffy on TDC because of his slot.
I'm not going to quote this whole post, as it is rather large. The point here is that I think this post is why Incognito died last night. At the end he does another subtle defense of Taz ("I'm not saying Zodiark and Taz are scum together"). That's pretty fascinating, given that earlier you were saying you didn't think Zodiark was scum at all.
Hints at a LMP/Incognito scum team. What did we have in common? Oh, we thought UT was scum, right.Untrod Tripod wrote:Other thoughts:
Incognito, I find it kind of suspicious that you came in and buddied up with LMP. As you could read in the game I posted for LMP to read, I used this as a scum tactic in my last completed game to get on the town's good side. You buddy up with a fairly pro-town player (I'd say LMP is fairly pro-town) and ride the goodwill out for as long as possible. Your predecessor(s) hardly confirm you as town, so I feel like this would actually be a good tactic if you're scum to get us to forget ConfidAnon's lurking and replacement.
UT likes Taz's "goodposting". Fails to point out that what Taz did was unvote Zodiark at Incog's command, then question Incog's motives. How does that make any sense? How does this make sense if you believe in an Incog/LMP scum team? Wouldn't we have wanted the Zodiark mislynch to stay alive? Cognative Dissonance.Untrod Tripod wrote:sorry for triple post, but I would like to say that I agree that it's interesting that Incognito came in, called a guy with a wagon on him scummy and then promptly tried his darndest to derail the wagon. goodposting, Taz.
Another post to long to quote. Just read it. Trust me, if you didn't think UT was scum before, you should after reading this post. It's just plain awful.
This is another post that makes a case for UT/Taz. That comment to Taz looks like "hey buddy, knock it off, you're looking scummy".Untrod Tripod wrote:@Taz, what are you trying to do with your votes, exactly?
@TDC
sorry, somehow I missed that being a question. Anyway, I don't think my original defense was that Zodiark was town, I was saying before Incognito replaced in that I thought that Zodiark hammering ABR was not a scumtell. My initial defense for Incognito's case wasn't really a defense of Zodiark, imo, it was more saying that I thought his idea that Zodiark and I were obviously scumbuddies was really faulty. I defended myself more than Zodiark in that post, so I'm not really sure why you're saying my initial reaction was to defend Zodiark. It seemed (as I've said) that one of his scumtells for both of us was that we hadn't said much too/about each other, so I refuted that.
WOW. Interesting that he wants Podium's claim, when he pretty much hasn't said anything about podium since early D1.Untrod Tripod wrote:what a representation of the whole game in these first couple posts. LMP pretends I'm confirmed scum and no one disputes him, Taz says something idiotic and TDC gets annoyed.
I'm VT.
let's hear podium's claim
I seriously don't know how anyone could read his ISO and conclude he isn't scum. Based on my read, the two most likely buddies are Taz and TDC. Taz will be getting my next ISO."LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
[quote="Tazaro]Yah, Zodiark's hammer after saying Doc Pepper was obvscum is sheer opportunism. IGMEOU, Zodiark.[/quote]
Lining up his lynches. Given the results of the two lynches I think this is telling.
I called attention to this when it happened, but it deserves to be remembered. Taz urges everyone to vote Zodiark, and then Incognito shows up, makes a bunch of sense and looks pro-town, and then Taz unvotes like Incognito asks, but asks this strange question. This reads to me like Taz was trying to appear pro-town to Incognito.Tazaro wrote:Incognito wrote:Actually, can someone just unvote Zodiark please? He's at L-1 right now, and I don't think we're ready for that yet.Unvote
You think things are going to happen to make us ready?
So he doesn't like Incognito's UT vote, but unvotes Zodiark when Incognito asks for an unvote. The defense of UT is telling here.Tazaro wrote:I put cart before the horse at times. I'm not sure I like Incognito's vote for Untrod Tripod.
And then gets back on the Zodiark wagon. This whole interaction is crazy scummy.Tazaro wrote:...because he's starting a new wagon after the Zodiark one.
Vote: Zodiark
Taz's attempt to call my UT stance/case tunneling.Tazaro wrote:LMP's tunneling Untrod Tripod, but I don't agree with that tunneling; it's to easy to tunnel.
More UT defense, although granted not as subtle.Tazaro wrote:Untrod Tripod ain't giving me any scum tells.
Absolutely awful use of the gambler's fallacy.Tazaro wrote:I'm sorry about this, but I have played in this forum only since July, and Untrod Tripod was scum in a game that's now over, so I'm inclined to believe he's town now .
That was a rather sudden change of heart. This post screams bus.Tazaro wrote:Le sigh. Okay, let's use the power of L-1:
Unvote: Zodiark
Vote: Untrod Tripod
And then the unvote as fast as possible. This is laughable.Tazaro wrote:That's good that there was a spurt of activity after my vote,
UNVOTE
And then the vote right back to Zodiark. Just so I'm making my point clear, the sequence of events are:Tazaro wrote:Sorry. Having a mind drunk with whatever makes me do weird things.
Vote: Zodiark
Taz votes Zodiark
Taz implores others to vote Zodiark
Taz unvotes Zodiark at Incognito's request
Taz votes Zodiark again
Taz unvotes Zodiark again
Taz votes UT to force a claim using "the power of L-1".
Taz unvotes because "there was a spurt of activity".
Taz votes Zodiark again... again, AtE's about "having a mind drunk with whatever".
So he goes full circle, using the opportunity to suck up to a pro-town looking player (Incog), pushes UT to L-1 to force a claim, then gets his vote right back where he wanted it, the mislynch-of-the-day(TM).
Tazaro wrote:I'm a tracker.
Now for a LMP claim?
BINGO! We've got a winner here. So, after tracking Zodiark N1 to no one, he pushes Zodiark all day the next day, voting him 3 separate times. Look above at those awful series of events I point out above. How does any of that make sense after you've tracked him to no one? At the very least, wouldn't you hesitate and figure that he is less likely to be scum? This claim makes no sense.Tazaro wrote:After day one was over, Zodiark was a suspicious person in my eyes, so I tracked Zodiark and result: he did not leave his house. After day two was over, I was worried about Incognito, so I tracked Incognito and result: he did not leave his house.
This ISO is almost scummier than UT's. If not for that hammer yesterday after UT's multiple "I don't think Zodiark is scum" posts, I'd think Taz is a better lynch.
I'll have to get to TDC and podium tomorrow, but I think I've seen enough."LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
I don't think this is a good argument. Look at Mad World: Time Travel mafia in my wiki to see my scum fake-PR claim. I claimed targets that turned out to be very sub-optimal choices. We can't assume that all scum fake claims will somehow be air tight. Scum make mistakes too.podium123456 wrote:^^ if mafia was going to fake tracker, dont you think they would have used someone other than zordiak? i cant see mafia saying 'ok taz, u fake tracker and report that you tracked zodiark N1' considering that taz lynched him on D2.
i mean, i understand now that both mafs dont visit, so a non-visit could still be guilty... but if you were going to fake, why not do it on someone you didnt end up lynching?
I agree that it was a risk, but I don't think it can be ruled out. Notice how he didn't want to claim targets but asked for my claim right away. Only when others said "we want your targets" did he give them up. This links with my above point about how scum can make bad fake-claims too. Could be that he didn't want to commit to the gambit in case I was an actual power role. And if they are 2 goons, then 1 watcher only isn't that hard to believe. I don't think we should turn the game into trying to outguess the mod on setup. 1 tracker 1 watcher is possible, and just 1 watcher vs goons is also possible.TDC wrote:LMP: I agree that Taz is terrible. But I think claiming a PR like that when you were to claim after him was a significant risk. And just a Watcher is rather weak. Maybe nor outrageously weak, but still. I don't think the Zod-track-and-lynch is that relevant either. (I would say tracking him wasn't that good a choice in the first place).
This is a good question. ISOs on TDC and podium as soon as I have some time.TDC wrote:Have I missed something in your iso, or is that really the first time you say anything about UT?"LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
I see how you think it is different, but why is it less scummy? In other words, if he really is a tracker, why wouldn't he have played differently in regards to Zodiark? We agree that if he is scum he made a poor choice of who to claim he tracked.podium123456 wrote:
A little different... it's not a matter of who he investigated, it's a matter of him not acting on his results. Why would maf fake a tracker report on someone that the tracker lynched without ever mentioning his result?LynchMePls wrote:
I don't think this is a good argument. Look at Mad World: Time Travel mafia in my wiki to see my scum fake-PR claim. I claimed targets that turned out to be very sub-optimal choices. We can't assume that all scum fake claims will somehow be air tight. Scum make mistakes too.podium123456 wrote:^^ if mafia was going to fake tracker, dont you think they would have used someone other than zordiak? i cant see mafia saying 'ok taz, u fake tracker and report that you tracked zodiark N1' considering that taz lynched him on D2.
i mean, i understand now that both mafs dont visit, so a non-visit could still be guilty... but if you were going to fake, why not do it on someone you didnt end up lynching?
FYI - your wiki link to time travel goes to the wrong game.
Thanks for pointing out the wrong link. It's fixed.
This just blows my mind. He was claiming cop with a guilty, but didn't want to say who the guilty was on? I guess that does affect the read of this situation. Thanks for the meta.podium123456 wrote:
This behavior is consistent with taz's previous PR roles... in this game he does the same thing as cop. He reveals that he is cop, and got a guilty... but says he won't say who it was, so that people can discuss the game more. ...naturally we told him to reveal.LynchMePls wrote: I agree that it was a risk, but I don't think it can be ruled out. Notice how he didn't want to claim targets but asked for my claim right away. Only when others said "we want your targets" did he give them up. This links with my above point about how scum can make bad fake-claims too.
Why is only 1 pr for town unlikely, particularly with a powerful PR like watcher? I think we could go round and round on this and in the end we'll have nothing solid gained. That's why I'm saying I don't think trying to out guess the mod on setup is going to be helpful.podium123456 wrote:
I dont see anything wrong with speculating about the setup at this point. IMO only 1 pr for town (a watcher) isn't very likely.LynchMePls wrote: And if they are 2 goons, then 1 watcher only isn't that hard to believe. I don't think we should turn the game into trying to outguess the mod on setup. 1 tracker 1 watcher is possible, and just 1 watcher vs goons is also possible.
In other news, I just finished a TDC ISO. Its basically 38 posts of town goodness. I started doing post by post analysis like I did with UT and Taz, when I realized that after every quote I was just basically saying "I agree". TDC is almost certainly town.
Podium's up next and then I'm ready for a lynch."LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
Podium ISO 0-10 could be summed up by saying "Dr. Pepper makes a bunch of hard to understand bullet point lists that don't make much sense. podium calls him on it, they argue, podium is right, and Dr. P rage quits".
This post is one giant wall of saying things that don't really mean anything. I think you manage to imply Me, ABR, Dr.P, Nexus, and UT are scummy in the same post. Looks like a lot of IIOA with 0 scum hunting.
podium123456 wrote:TDC has already claimed vanilla. If you guys put albert at L-1, we risk exposing a PR and/or narrowing mafia's choices for PR hits. Keep that in mind.
It's a toss-up between them to me, but since TDC has already claimed vanilla i am ok with that lynch.
If anyone was worried, TDC/podium is NOT a scum team in this game, based on these interactions.podium123456 wrote:2 claims on D1 is very bad for town, imo.
if you assume 2 mafia (but there could be 3 which would be worse), they have a 1/5 (or 1/4 with 3 maf) chance of killing a PR... on N1. you guys need to keep that in mind.
i would rather lynch a VT than risk exposing/killing a PR, when we have a mislynch (or mislynches) to spare.
I'm not a fan of how all the interaction of D1 went down between podium and me. I said I was willing to hammer ABR because of his attempt to hammer TDC before he even had a chance to claim. Then podium tells me to not hammer "just for the sake of hammering". I had never said I was gonna hammer for the sake of hammering. I dunno if this is podium just trying to help town, or scum-podium happy with either of those situations and just posturing for town-cred.podium123456 wrote:Yes and No. I don't want a second claim today, but that doesn't mean you have to vote TDC. I'm saying don't hammer ABR just for the sake of hammering someone.
If the majority still wants to go after ABR, then that will happen. I just want to ensure everyone knows what's at stake here before we get a 2nd claim. If you think ABR is scum, and are aware of the implications of 2 claims (and are ok with it), then do whatever you think you should.
This post is starting to worry me a little bit about a Taz/Podium scum team. Some of there interactions like this one are weird statements that allude to scummy actions, but they never out and out call each other scum.
This is an example of podium following the crowd. He didn't get on Zodiark wagon early D2, but just followed the crowd with this vote. With a wishy-washy "If he responds i can reconsider".podium123456 wrote:it's been a while, so i'm assuming that zodiark read my last post and chose not to respond... so
VOTE: Zodiark13
For refusing to discuss the problem with me, and to move the game along. If he responds, i can reconsider. That puts him at L-1.
This is another post where you point out a number of possibilities, but don't really take a hard stance on any of them. I also really hate the interactions I have with podium here about my UT case, and I don't think I ever got a fully satisfying answer from podium on this.podium123456 wrote:Personally i still find Dr. P's rage quit scummy, and that's probably always going to be associated with that slot for the rest of the game.
Still think zordiak's behavior was scummy, and lynch worthy, at the moment.
LMP... been getting a slightly scummy scum vibe here... mostly gut. dont like how he says he thought UT was scum, but didn't pursue/vote him today until incognito started making a case.
Haven't been a fan of Taz's input so far.
That's about all i got... can't really get into this game, and haven't seen much that has jumped out and grabbed me.
@Podium: Do you admit that I made a case on UT D1? Do you admit that absolutely NO ONE agreed or really even discussed my case? Do you admit that D2 when I was pushing Zodiark, I was still probbing UT over his fence-sitting? If you don't admit any of these, please explain because I'm pretty sure they are fact. If you do admit them, then please explain what was bad about moving my vote to UT when someone from town finally started paying attention to my case.
More Taz defense.podium123456 wrote:podium123456 wrote:For the record, i've played with taz a couple of times, and his behavior can be quite erratic/spazzy.
Here is an example... skim through pages 8-13 where taz replaces in, makes like 4 votes, and ends up accidentally hammering our doctor... after previously stating that he refused to vote for that person... ...
He replaced out right after that...
podium123456 wrote:taz, you fail pretty hard man. why did you let us lynch an innocent person? ...or a better question:
WHY WERE YOU VOTING FOR AN INNOCENT PERSON?
More defense of Taz. The idea that Taz-scum wouldn't make the claim because it would have been more carefully constructed is not persuasive to me. The "I don't have a town read on anyone" is also pretty scummy, as is the follow-up to that being go for the easy lynch that others are pushing.podium123456 wrote:Dont both mafia visit the night kill... regardless of who submits it? that's how it works on other sites.
...this reminds me of a game i was in in which we lynched a guy who claimed vanilla townie.... and he was actually the cop. lol. next time give us the information taz.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
that being said, i dont think taz is scum. first of all, it fits his normal play (bizarre)... and secondly, maf would have discussed this and known to give a result that wasn't batshit crazy. also i dont see anything wrong with a setup of watcher/tracker.
i dont have a town read on anyone at this point, pretty much. if i had to pick right now, id probably go with the low hanging fruit... UT.
And another defense of Taz. "Even though LMP raises good points".podium123456 wrote:at one point in time, there was a vote for UT and a vote for Taz today. We were all active during this. If LMP/TDC were a team, they could have hammered... so i dont think that is a possibility.
im gonna have a hard time accepting that taz/ut are a team, even though LMP raises good points.
so from my pov its ut/lmp or ut/tdc... and right now i feel like it's probably ut/tdc.
@podium: Where does your read of Taz come from? meta only? He looks really scummy to me."LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
IIRC Dr.Pepper was like 8 or so bullet list points that didn't really make a whole lot of sense. I'll look at the ISO, but I don't feel to hopeful about finding anything useful there.podium123456 wrote:
Do you plan on ISO'ing Dr. Pepper? Wouldn't that be relevant as well?LynchMePls wrote: In other news, I just finished a TDC ISO. Its basically 38 posts of town goodness. I started doing post by post analysis like I did with UT and Taz, when I realized that after every quote I was just basically saying "I agree". TDC is almost certainly town."LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
I thought it looked like "I know I'm going down today, let me try and distance from my buddy as much as possible".TDC wrote:As for UT-Taz.. what do you make of UT's reaction to the claim? Panicking over what he might've thought was a particularly bad fake claim?
This is an excellent question. Taz's claim being fake is seeming less and less likely.TDC wrote: If they were going to bus, why not have Taz claim to have seen UT kill Incognito?"LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
I'm not going to quote 370. I'll try and answer anything that looks like a question. If I miss something you want answered let me know.
1) No I don't think you did much analysis. All you did was summarize what was happened. The few times you did "analyze" things, it was wishy washy. Example:
podium123456 wrote:LMP - If one of the votes on blaze was a scum vote, my gut says this is the one. but, it could mean nothing.Ifandbut it could mean nothing. Not exactly taking a stand, looks more like setting yourself up to later call me scum if its convenient.
2) Those quotes show TDC/podium isn't possible because I don't think scum on D1 would have been trying to persuade others to hammer there teammate just to keep another townie from claiming. If your mate was put at L-1 and forced to claim, and then people started looking at another wagon, it would take a lot of guts/really strong scum play to actually say "no no, don't lynch that guy, this guy has already claimed, we should lynch him" knowing that you'd lose your partner on D1.
3) Alright, NOW I understand our confusion. Yes, when I said "for the 'hammer'" I meant ABR's attempt to hammer the replacement without a claim or even a chance to say anything. Not just so that I could hammer. Why would you think I'd vote ABR just to hammer him, that doesn't make sense.
4) I'm starting to see the light on Taz's claim being less likely to come from scum. But the only meta I have is the one game I've seen his town play. I don't know what his scum play looks like, for all I know it is the exact same as his town play. If you have Taz-scum meta I'd love to see a link. Otherwise knowing that he is playing the way he did once as town doesn't tell me that he is town unless I have the scum to contrast it to.
5) Your D1 play in regards to Dr.P wasn't following along, but pretty much everything after that does look like following along to me. You make a lot of summary posts where you point out things but then don't take hard stances on them.
6) I'm pointing out your summary posts because to me they are multiple examples of you making statements like you're on the sideline just pointing things out, but not taking a stance on them. You do it multiple times. The reason I'm "cherry picking" those is because I was quoting the parts of your ISO that looked scummy to me, since the whole purpose of my ISOs was to rank the remaining players.
7) "I don't have a scum read on anyone" is scummy because it plays into opportunistic scum. You get to sit back and see which way the wind is blowing, and no one can contradict you because you get to say "well, everyone looked scummy to me, I said so right here". In my experience playing this game, the most glaring scum tell I've found is people being opportunistic/wishy-washy. When I see statements like those, it immediately sends up a flag.
8) NO ONE WAS PUSHING FOR HIS LYNCH? Are you kidding me!? WOW! I'm simply amazed.
As for 371, I disagree completely with your assertion that watcher is weaker than a cop. Watchers are so powerful some have questioned if they should even be in the game. The ability to find friendly PRs, as well as catch scum is awesome, and if you have a claimed PR to watch, you're essentially guaranteed to find scum. I will assert that a watcher in a setup with no other PRs is weaker than a watcher with other PRs to watch."LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
Its just information if you point out that it could be scummy. Its analysis when you come to a conclusion. I could sit around in a game and point out scummy things people do all day. If I'm unwilling to follow that up with anything then it is worthless and does nothing but make you look like contributing without contributing.podium123456 wrote:
In the post in question, i took several observations and explained how they could have scummy motives behind them... how is that not analysis? Tell me what definition of 'analysis' you are holding me to?LynchMePls wrote: 1) No I don't think you did much analysis. All you did was summarize what was happened.
And? I've already explained the purpose of the ISO was to look for scummy posts. By definition it would be cherry picking.podium123456 wrote:
More cherry picking.LynchMePls wrote:The few times you did "analyze" things, it was wishy washy. Example:
Wow... this is fascinating to me. I think this might be the first time someone has argued with me that their behavior could make them part of a scum team. If this evidence doesn't prove you guys aren't a scum team, then you not hammering today doesn't show it either. You could have just been unwilling to gamble the game if the town voter unvoted when you went for the quick lynch. Which is actually a much safer play if you are reasonably certain you'll get a UT lynch. Which you are now conveniently pushing despite all attempts previously to deny UT-scum.podium123456 wrote:
Still dont see why you think that proves that we aren't a team. Bussing... trying to look town... etc.LynchMePls wrote: 2) Those quotes show TDC/podium isn't possible because I don't think scum on D1 would have been trying to persuade others to hammer there teammate just to keep another townie from claiming. If your mate was put at L-1 and forced to claim, and then people started looking at another wagon, it would take a lot of guts/really strong scum play to actually say "no no, don't lynch that guy, this guy has already claimed, we should lynch him" knowing that you'd lose your partner on D1.
This quote is getting its own post. This is an outrageous distortion of the facts.podium123456 wrote:
D1 - Led the chargeLynchMePls wrote: 5) Your D1 play in regards to Dr.P wasn't following along, but pretty much everything after that does look like following along to me.
D2 - I made the first argument towards Zordiak's hammer. Again, how am i following, but you aren't? You're vote came after 3 people had already expressed suspicion.
D3 - There's no following here... it's common sense/POE.
All easy targets. Again, you only push UT now, but yesterday you argued pretty hard against any suspicions at UT.podium12345 wrote:
What am i supposed to do... vote every time i see someone do something scummy? I took a hard stance on Dr. P, ABR, Zordiak, and now, UT...LynchMePls wrote: 6) I'm pointing out your summary posts because to me they are multiple examples of you making statements like you're on the sideline just pointing things out, but not taking a stance on them.
Quite right, I meant town read, not scum. I seriously don't understand these questions. The answers are obvious. If you say you have no town reads, then you are better positioned to vote/hammer any of them because you haven't painted yourself into a corner.podium123456 wrote:
*TOWN readLynchMePls wrote: 7) "I don't have a scum read on anyone" is scummy because it plays into opportunistic scum. You get to sit back and see which way the wind is blowing, and no one can contradict you because you get to say "well, everyone looked scummy to me, I said so right here".
I fail to see how that statement is scummy, especially at this stage in the game. How could scum benefit from saying that? I named my lynch choice in the same post. How would someone contradict me?
So if not for his hammer yesterday you wouldn't find him scummy? But just the hammer means you want him lynched? If he hadn't hammered, would anyone in the game be scummier than him?podium123456 wrote:
Why? His hammer made him the lynch choice by default, who am i following?LynchMePls wrote: 8) NO ONE WAS PUSHING FOR HIS LYNCH? Are you kidding me!? WOW! I'm simply amazed.
Nope. I want answers to my most recent questions. I'd also like UT to comment on everything since the last time he posted. His laying low is only making his lynch more inevitable, but we have a lot of time, I see no need to rush this. The more information we get now the better situation we leave ourselves in tomorrow.podium123456 wrote:
I've never seen people prefer to have a watcher instead of a cop. Cop gets a result every single time... a watcher first has to get lucky and choose a target that someone else chooses... and then you still don't know the alignment of the person that visited. (disregarding anti watcher/cop PR's)LynchMePls wrote: As for 371, I disagree completely with your assertion that watcher is weaker than a cop. Watchers are so powerful some have questioned if they should even be in the game.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Anyway... are we all ready to vote UT?"LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
Here are quotes of all the posts following the start of D2 up until your first post that even mentions Zodiark:podium123456 wrote:
D1 - Led the chargeLynchMePls wrote: 5) Your D1 play in regards to Dr.P wasn't following along, but pretty much everything after that does look like following along to me.
D2 - I made the first argument towards Zordiak's hammer. Again, how am i following, but you aren't? You're vote came after 3 people had already expressed suspicion.
D3 - There's no following here... it's common sense/POE.
Tazaro wrote:What's gonna be our subject of discourse now it's daytime?edmund.angles wrote:Bah, go Townpodium123456 wrote:
Hang people that make meaningless posts.Tazaro wrote:What's gonna be our subject of discourse now it's daytime?
<-- but kinda -->TDC wrote:How about we start with "Why was ABR hammered before he claimed?" or "Is there some prize on quick lynching I'm not aware of?"
You need to elaborate on this. All I see is you going on and on about how I totally should be lynched because I claimed Vanilla and because that's "rule two of lynching" (you never responded at all to my suggestion that you used this to load off responsibility for my impending lynch), and when the wind turns and ABR is the choice of the moment you suddenly decide I'm oh so town and have made up for Dr P and hammer ABR.Zodiark13 wrote:TDC has made up for Dr P's mistakes, making Dr P seem to me much less like scum and more like a really bad player.ConfidAnon wrote:/confirm
More tonight.Zodiark13 wrote:
I said this once, not "going on and on about" as you are attempting to suggest.All I see is you going on and on about how I totally should be lynched because I claimed Vanilla and because that's "rule two of lynching"
Albert was acting more scummy than you, 'nuff said.and when the wind turns and ABR is the choice of the moment you suddenly decide I'm oh so town and have made up for Dr P and hammer ABR.
In the event this is a serious question, I think we should try to identify the killer based on ed's NK. Obviously either he was suspicious of someone who is scum or created watcher tells/breadcrumbs. There is also the possibility that scum just got lucky, but I personally consider this unlikely.What's gonna be our subject of discourse now it's daytime?TDC wrote:
You were going on and on about it as much as one can do within the three or so posts you had between I replaced in and you hammered ABR.Zodiark13 wrote:
I said this once, not "going on and on about" as you are attempting to suggest.All I see is you going on and on about how I totally should be lynched because I claimed Vanilla and because that's "rule two of lynching"
What I am asking is for you to explain what made you change from
Albert was acting more scummy than you, 'nuff said.and when the wind turns and ABR is the choice of the moment you suddenly decide I'm oh so town and have made up for Dr P and hammer ABR.
to (in your very next post)You, earlier wrote:I'm fine with my vote. My second suspicion is Albert.
(which does not just mean that ABR overtook me in scuminess, but rather directly implies that your suspicion of my slot lessened),You, in your hammer wrote:TDC has made up for Dr P's mistakes, making Dr P seem to memuch less like scum and more like a really bad player.
when all that I posted between these two posts is (and I quote in entirety):I wrote:
Meh. ABR's hammer was terrible. Already mentioned that Zord seems to be trying to get the lynch through without being particularly responsible for it. (It would be "anti-town" to not vote me plus the whole appeal to authority (which is kind of funny because he's not actually mentioning where he pulled it) rule two of lynching babble).edmund.angles wrote:@TDC: Could you give a breakdown on all the players? If you are lynched and flip town everyone will have a confirmed honest second opinion.
That's about it at this point.
Actually, he hammered one hour after entry was announced.Nexus wrote:I'm undecided-he hasn't really posted all that much relevant (although the same could be said for most people), and he was happy to hammer the player slot before it replaced.
Mod: I'm voting ABR, not podium.
I don't see how these two posts could've changed your opinion of my slot that much, which is what makes me think you were just jumping at the hammer opportunity that presented itself and thought you'd get away with it.I wrote:Ah, wasn't aware my predecessors vote carried over..unvote, vote ABRLynchMePls wrote:
I agree with TDC about your hammer of ABR after pushing Dr.P/TDC lynch so hard. Also, given a quick ISO of edmund, I'd like toZodiark13 wrote:
I said this once, not "going on and on about" as you are attempting to suggest.All I see is you going on and on about how I totally should be lynched because I claimed Vanilla and because that's "rule two of lynching"
Albert was acting more scummy than you, 'nuff said.and when the wind turns and ABR is the choice of the moment you suddenly decide I'm oh so town and have made up for Dr P and hammer ABR.
In the event this is a serious question, I think we should try to identify the killer based on ed's NK. Obviously either he was suspicious of someone who is scum or created watcher tells/breadcrumbs. There is also the possibility that scum just got lucky, but I personally consider this unlikely.What's gonna be our subject of discourse now it's daytime?
Vote: Zodiark13Tazaro wrote:Zodiark, trying our hands at identifying, on day two, the killer based on edmund's death is basically a Wifom dead end.Tazaro wrote:
It's also a distraction; what we need to try is to get a handle on Confid Anon's and other people who haven't posted on day two's input and then talk about posts, that are not a matter of wifom, but of interpretation.Tazaro wrote:Zodiark, trying our hands at identifying, on day two, the killer based on edmund's death is basically a Wifom dead end.Untrod Tripod wrote:
QFTTazaro wrote:Zodiark, trying our hands at identifying, on day two, the killer based on edmund's death is basically a Wifom dead end.
It's really rough when you have a decent player replace into a slot that was acting like total scum. On the one hand, I want to give TDC a chance, because he's not acting anything like Dr Pepper, but on the other hand Dr Pepper was acting like scum and I know I should care about the slot more than the player. The best thing to do imo is analyze the surroundings of the Dr Pepper wagon and the ABR lynch. But still,IGMEOY TDC
I'm not so much thinking that Zodiark hammering before the claim was such a scummy thing. What would you guys have said if he'd said "oh, uh, I claim cop"? I think revealing ABR's role would have either required a PR to counterclaim (since there seems to be no vig we couldn't have found him dead last night if he'd claimed a killing PR that someone else had and we kept him alive, or the cop/doc would have had to come out which would have been a bad plan on day 1). We had some discussion before the hammer about the relative intelligence of requiring a claim and I kind of fall on the side of not wanting a second claim on day 1.
I'll have to think/observe/reread more to decide where my vote needs to go.Untrod Tripod wrote:EBWOP
should read "I think that from our perspective yesterday, revealing ABR's role might have either required a PR to counterclaim .... or we would have just probably ended up lynching a claimed VT anyway."Untrod Tripod wrote:I'm not so much thinking that Zodiark hammering before the claim was such a scummy thing. What would you guys have said if he'd said "oh, uh, I claim cop"? I think revealing ABR's role would have either required a PR to counterclaim .LynchMePls wrote:
The bolding is mine. UT is whishy-washy fence sitting again. What a shock.Untrod Tripod wrote:It's really rough when you have a decent player replace into a slot that was acting like total scum.On the one hand, I want to give TDC a chance, because he's not acting anything like Dr Pepper,but on the other handDr Pepper was acting like scum and I know I should care about the slot more than the player. The best thing to do imo is analyze the surroundings of the Dr Pepper wagon and the ABR lynch.ConfidAnon wrote:This game gets my priority tomorrow, so hopefully I'll have a good post tomorrow morning.TDC wrote:
The problem is not just the claim thing, but the haste in general. The very least he could've done is give everyone (including ABR's potential scumbuddy) a chance to react to the imminent hammer.Untrod Tripod wrote:I'm not so much thinking that Zodiark hammering before the claim was such a scummy thing.
And I don't really remember you being particularly suspicious of Dr. P at the time, could you elaborate what exactly it is that bothers you so much about him?Tazaro wrote:Yah, there's a certain timing element to Zodiak's vote, and from this I see Zodiark's game play as suspect.
Vote: ZodiarkLynchMePls wrote:24+ hours and only 3 posts. I'm guessing this game is due for some prods. I have nothing new to add. I'm happy with the wagon and eagerly awaiting ConfidAnon's catch up post.
So, first off you are lying to say you were the first to question him. TDC was. But IMO even worse than that, you only offered your opinion on the matter once practically everyone in the game had chimed in and offered there opinion. The only person who hadn't was ConfidAnon who was a replacement that hadn't ever caught up and eventually gets replaced by Incognito. So you are flat out lying to claim you were the first person to question Zodiark and that you weren't going along with the town, you absolutely were. You even admit it in your post where you finally do discuss it.podium123456 wrote:
No player is in prod territory.LynchMePls wrote:24+ hours and only 3 posts. I'm guessing this game is due for some prods.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Zodiark seems to be the big target today... i'll repeat my earlier comment.
The point is that you said that Dr. P was 'mega-obvious' scum:Zodiark13 wrote:
Albert was acting more scummy than you, 'nuff said.TDC wrote: and when the wind turns and ABR is the choice of the moment you suddenly decide I'm oh so town and have made up for Dr P and hammer ABR.
and later, you apparently forget about this when the ABR wagon picks up steam. Why do you no longer think that Dr. P was obvious scum? TDC's input has no bearing on the conclusion you reached from Dr. P's behavior.Zodiark13 wrote: Seriously, he ragequits the second he get pressure on him. If thats not mega-obv scum right there, then I should stop playing right now, because if it this isn't a perfect(albeit a perfectly poor) example of scummy play, then I know nothing about scumhunting.
So you don't begin to even discuss it until it's the "big target today". Until then your only post was a snarky shot at trying to paint Taz as scummy, without actually calling him scummy.podium123456 wrote:Zodiark seems to be the big target today
And last, you don't even vote him until much later, and presumably not even because you think he is scum, but as a pressure vote to get him to answer your question:
Leaving yourself wiggle room to leave the wagon if you want. This is textbook scum behavior.podium123456 wrote:it's been a while, so i'm assuming that zodiark read my last post and chose not to respond... so
VOTE: Zodiark13
For refusing to discuss the problem with me, and to move the game along. If he responds, i can reconsider. That puts him at L-1."LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
I was going to reply to 382 but basically everything that I would have said is summarized right here. I think 382 is podium suddenly realizing that he needs to actually have a lynch target for tomorrow. Now he decides to say I've been scummy to him all game. He can even support it by pointing back to some of his statements about me. That is why I call his behavior scummy. He's been doing that to practically everyone all game, so that when the time comes to lynch them he hasn't painted himself into a corner. That is the scummy nature of the "I don't have a town read on anyone" statement. If he'd decided to pick TDC instead of me for his target, he could just as easily say "I've been sure he is scum all game, just look back at what I've said".TDC wrote:
The problem with your hammer is not that you placed it, but how. Too early and in response to Incog prodding you to do "something". You were a topic of discussion at the time, but not really a competing wagon.Untrod Tripod wrote:Ok...what exactly do you want me to respond to? Look at this from my perspective:
Why exactly is my hammer scummy? From my perspective, I was gonna die either today or tomorrow. It was a given. LMP has a hard-on for me being scum, Incog grabbed onto that case and wouldn't hear it any other way, and Taz's votes are so all over the place, I think you could count on him to vote for anyone. I was basically at L-1. Would the pro-town thing be to just accept the lynch? Really? I had a decent chance of hitting scum by hammering Zodiark, he was by no means confirmed. Yeah, it was a gambit, and yeah that gambit failed.
Again there is no reason why you would have to place that vote right there and then. Nobody was voting you.Yeah, I took a gambit on Taz being scum, but I was pretty sure I was gonna get lynched and there wasn't much I could do about it. I get lynched it was game over anyway, so I figure I may as well try SOMETHING.
The urgency you use to justify your gambits did not exist.
I'm ready to lynch.
Vote: Untrod Tripod"LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
All things said with no conviction and leaving you wiggle room to vote me or not at the best opportunity.podium123456 wrote:
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxTDC wrote:Can you refresh me on what you noted on him prior to today?
^^ note that this was another ploy similar to what i did today.podium123456 wrote: I will say that i really found lynchmepls and nexus's votes to be scummier than Dr. Pepper's actions at the time i voted him. However, i was much more interested in seeing how dr. pepper would react to some pressure/accusations, than i was in voting for either LMP or Nexus.
LMP and nexus, your votes on blaze lookedreallybad... definitely possible that it was scum trying to take advantage of the situation. that's not to say that it was... but it definitely looks like it could be a possibility.
podium123456 wrote:
LMP - If one of the votes on blaze was a scum vote, my gut says this is the one. but, it could mean nothing.
podium123456 wrote: LMP... been getting a slightly scummy scum vibe here... mostly gut. dont like how he says he thought UT was scum, but didn't pursue/vote him today until incognito started making a case."LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
Everything I would say in this back and forth argument has already been said by TDC.
The only thing I'd like to address is this:
1. Your claim that I contradicted myself is ridiculous. I argue that you've protected UT (yesterday by deflecting attention away from UT and towards Zodiark). That doesn't mean that you haven't since changed to bussing him. They are not mutually exclusive. Your play yesterday in regards to the UT wagon is nothing but scum motivations. Your play today in regards to him is as well, as well as your "sudden" revelation that you've been sure I'm scum all game.podium123456 wrote:Let me get this straight... i have shown where LMP contradicted himself, lied, and made statements that are illogical. Yet, you want to lynch me because... because... well... you haven't really said, as far as i can see.
2. This quote oozes squirming scum."LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
I would very much like to see this.TDC wrote:podium:
Interpretations tend to be subjective. If your posts where less open to interpretation there would be less for me to subjectively interpret.
Anyway, don't really see the point in replying to 436, because we're just repeating ourselves there, and I'm content with 437.
I would like you to do the following: go into your iso, start with you final posts from D2, from there one explain for each of your posts what your then current stance on UT was, and if it changed, what made it change. End at the point you were convinced he had to be scum.
Well, this requires some setup speculation. In newbie 9 man games, with 2 town PRs there is a scum RB. So, if that holds to this game as well, then I agree that it would make more sense for the scum to RB Taz and NK you or me. But, if there is no scum RB/RB-like-role then obviously they can't leave the tracker, since a track on them or a track on the townie that doesn't get killed is an automatic loss. So either the scum didn't have a way to block Taz, or they did, but they wanted him gone anyway.LMP:
Why is Taz dead and not you or me? Wouldn't going one to one with Taz (if Taz had even managed to not target the one of us two that died) be preferable to this?
I'm not sure what you mean here. Could you quote the reaction to Incognito? I don't remember them exchanging words. I'll go back and ISO Incognito to see what you are referring to. As for his reaction to me, he pretty much spent the whole game casting sideways suspicions at me without ever backing it up with a serious case/vote, and then late yesterday when he realized that he'd be coming into today without UT, he suddenly launches the "I've always thought LMP is scum". That pretty much sealed it for me. I want to see the self-ISO that TDC asks from podium, but I'm all but certain based on the play that podium is the last scum.Would you agree with me that UT reacted much more heavily to Incognito suspecting him than to you suspecting him?"LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
Just reread all of D2, and the only interaction between Incog and podium I saw was podium saying he had a hard time getting into the game, Incog asking him when that started happening, and podium saying D2. So you'll have to help me see what you're talking about TDC."LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey
But I didn't know I was going into lylo with TDC, he or I could have died. You were the one that flailed about like crazy yesterday once we approached deadline.
The rest of what you are saying is claptrap.
@TDC: Yes, he did react more to Incog than to me.
Vote: podium
No way TDC is scum and podium isn't."LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change." - Drippereth
V/LA on weekends-
-
LimMePls Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3577
- Joined: May 4, 2010
- Location: New Jersey