Mini 1063 - Pointlessville (Game Over!)

[Parama]

Our town has such a morbid name :<

/confirm

[Parama]

vote: CommieX

Anon/Xite hyrda?

[Parama]

Unvote: Commie
Vote: ZazierR

for being the first to place a third vote.

Why?

Simple.
Vibe is scum.

unvote, vote: VibeBox

Was thinking it after his shameless vote on Commie, but this reaction pretty well solidifies it.
Overcautiousness is a great scumtell.
You can thank me later when we lynch Vibe and his flip is very red in nature.

[Parama]

Confirm Vote: Vibebox

*puts on blinders*
Tunnel-Vision mode begins now.
Why is being the 3rd vote on a wagon a bad thing?
Why didn't you even bother responding to my accusations?

[Parama]

Everyone else can feel free to continue RVSing, but to Vibe's buddies: try to make up RVS-esque logic to vote Vibe. It'll give you town-cred once he flips scum.
Just kidding, I'll lynch you the next day. Do it anyways, so we can start this game with 3 consecutive scum lynches (and end it in a similar fashion).
Thanks in advance

[Parama]

Were you afraid that the lynch wagon would go through to completion?
If not, why did you unvote almost immediately after the 3rd vote?

I tunnel, deal with it. It catches scum. Like scum named VibeBox.

[Parama]

Vibe is scum.
Was thinking it after his shameless vote on Commie

What about it?

More the timing of it. I get rather wary over 2 RVS votes made on the same person in succession. Always irks me in bad ways.

Vibe, why did you respond to me before Seol?

[Parama]

What is the use of switching an RVS vote? Do you think town will get more information from a longer RVS?
The only reason I see for switching RVS votes rapidly is a want to extend the RVS - aka trying to avoid serious scumhunting as long as possible. At least that's the way I see it. RVS is not a bad thing, but an extended RVS is just a giant waste of time.
P-Edit:
Scum can use RVS as an excuse to build a bandwagon, then try to push a valid lynch based on faux-scumhunting of the player who was RVSed. I've seen it done before.
How did you not notice Seol's post yet noticed mine right away? His post was first.

[Parama]

Unvote: Commie
Vote: ZazierR

for being the first to place a third vote.

Why?

Simple.
Vibe is scum.

unvote, vote: VibeBox

Was thinking it after his shameless vote on Commie, but this reaction pretty well solidifies it.
Overcautiousness is a great scumtell.
You can thank me later when we lynch Vibe and his flip is very red in nature.

I agree, he will flip red. But so will you. Sorry, but your busing today has failed.

2 scum down, x to go.

Vote: Parama

Bwahaha. DP failed. If you think Vibe is scum, and I'm just a buddy, you'd be willing to vote him over me, because your logic is that I am scum on the condition that he flips scum.

P.S. This happens in tons of games and usually the person who votes the "buddy" instead of the "scum" is scum themselves. Yaaay.

DP, why is Vibe scum? What about my logic against him make you feel I'm bussing?

[Parama]

EBWOP merits a

HoS: DP

because your attack on me is a hilariously obvious scum connection. Wheee.
Also ZazieR is 99% town.

[Parama]

You guys misinterpreted me. I think parama is scum on his own merits and vibe is scum on his own merits as well. I am merely explaining that since both are scum that means Parama is busing.

And these reasons I'm scum are?
And the reasons Vibe is scum are?

[Parama]

Charter is town.

[Parama]

Vibe/David/SC okay gg

[Parama]

No, VibeBox.

[Parama]

I mean he literally states it in this post <_<

Unvote: Commie
Vote: ZazierR

for being the first to place a third vote.

[Parama]

I'm going to get it out of the way quickly:
1. Me and charter's playstyles mix together incredibly well
2. Charter has pretty awesome reads already.

Kit, have you noticed the obvious scumteam here yet?

[Parama]

Still missing the point

For the time being Parama vs. VibeBox looks town vs. town to me. DavidParker comes off a bit funny to me suggesting that Mafia would do a non-RVS bus on page 2, but his suggestion doesn't scream scum to me, and he does explain himself.

This is what I find incredibly scummy.

[Parama]

You're throwing out town reads left and right for no apparent reason, and putting one on me (the main attacker) along with my top 2 scum suspects looks like appeal more than anything.
Plus you gave no grounds for why any of the players you mentioned are town. Though I know you're at least 1/3rd right d(''d)
Considering Vibe has not posted since you posted the Town vs. Town comment, I'm wondering why your read on him has changed so suddenly.

@Kit - Never hurts to be optimistic, y'know. If there aren't at least 2 scum in this group of 3 players, I'll be dumbfounded.

As it stands, Vibe is looking like the towniest of the three atm But he's still scum.

[Parama]

Gah, now I'm just not paying attention x_x

[Parama]

If you're calling me a VI, then you're not paying attention to what's going on.
In fact, I don't see any VIs. Just DP being ridiculously bad at scum and me being an arrogant prick.

[Parama]

Seol, it's not like you've been helping. Haven't seen any real content from you yet <_<
Give your opinions on: VibeBox, David, ZazieR. Right now.

[Parama]

I asked for your opinions on the players in this game, not the suspicions on them.

[Parama]

Zazie: I usually don't question votes on scum, especially obvious buses.

[Parama]

^Hahaha you're funny. Just sayin. Keep on failing miserably. I'm not giving you town cred once Vibe flips scum and you were on the wagon.

[Parama]

DP, why do you think I'm bussing Vibe? Because I'm pretty sure I asked this earlier and you didn't respond.

[Parama]

With regard to their own merits, I found parama more scummy based on the tone and perceived intent of his posts so if only 1 flips scum I think it would be parama.

Vote: vibebox

L-4, time to freak out again guys!

Read Rule 2. Vote doesn't count.

Hmm. Vibe barely said anything between these two. It looks like David's attempt to chainsaw defend Vibe failed so he decided to bus.

Also, I DID ask you this question before.

DP, why is Vibe scum? What about my logic against him make you feel I'm bussing?

The former was not answered, the latter - closest thing to a response is:

You guys misinterpreted me. I think parama is scum on his own merits and vibe is scum on his own merits as well. I am merely explaining that since both are scum that means Parama is busing.

Which is weak at best.
And I even asked the first question again, along with a new one here:

And these reasons I'm scum are?
And the reasons Vibe is scum are?

And I'm dumb because you had already answered the first one (though "Tone" as a reason doesn't really cut it because, guess what? Maybe that's just my posting style <_<)
The latter was never answered, though. Even though David's voting Vibe now.

Sigh. I almost want to

unvote, vote: David

right now because this is just hilariously obvious scumplay.

[Parama]

Vibe, be a good scumbuddy and vote David for me
I don't give a damn if you don't like my playstyle.

[Parama]

The reason I quoted your post was referencing it for SC.
I do not believe your vote was 100% serious; however, I don't think it was made with the intent of being nonserious.

[Parama]

If you've been paying attention:

Unvote: Commie
Vote: ZazierR

for being the first to place a third vote.

Why?

Simple.
Vibe is scum.

unvote, vote: VibeBox

Was thinking it after his shameless vote on Commie, but this reaction pretty well solidifies it.
Overcautiousness is a great scumtell.
You can thank me later when we lynch Vibe and his flip is very red in nature.

Why is being the 3rd vote on a wagon a bad thing?
Why didn't you even bother responding to my accusations?

Were you afraid that the lynch wagon would go through to completion?
If not, why did you unvote almost immediately after the 3rd vote?

Vibe is scum.
Was thinking it after his shameless vote on Commie

What about it?

More the timing of it. I get rather wary over 2 RVS votes made on the same person in succession. Always irks me in bad ways.

I really don't feel like restating this all. Questions tend to be accusations, and accusations tend to bring questions.

[Parama]

I could make some stuff up, but it's basically a feel I get from your posting - like you post things that have ulterior motives (scummy alterior motives). Meh.

[Parama]

Not gut, it's the way you're posting. I can't really put a name to it though x_x
David is still the superior lynch anyways.

[Parama]

If I didn't trust in my reads, how would I ever get anything accomplished?
Besides, Kitoari, don't you think DP is blatantly obvious scum?

[Parama]

Kit: I refer back to this post as to why DP is scum.
Charter, I'm gonna say SC is null, Vibe is scum, and DP is confirmed scum.

[Parama]

OMGUS does not actually happen.
So you think that I would be easier to lynch? Even though Vibe had more votes on him at the time? Note that I have never played with DP before.

[Parama]

Can we dayvig this guy? I'd almost feel bad having to lynch him, because even if he flips scum, it'd feel like a waste.

[Parama]

Parama and charter

DO

seem a bit like-minded, but that's not unsettling right now. It's perfectly fine to mostly agree with other players—we have to come to some sort of consensus to get anywhere.

I'd link you to another game where this exact same thing happened but it's ongoing. Like I said, me and charter's playstyles mix really well.

DP looks like he's trying to get a wagon started on anyone but himself now.

P-EDIT: 2 more votes to lynch scum!

[Parama]

With Kitoari's latest post, he's so obv David's partner.

Agreed x 100

David, can you please claim mafia so we can lynch you?

[Parama]

Claim.

[Parama]

I believe it.

[Parama]

I'd prefer quickhammer.

[Parama]

I'd prefer quickhammer.

Scared my wagon might lose momentum if he doesn't hammer soon, scum?

Stop coaching your scum buddy.

Vibe, he's on to us! Hammer him quick!

[Parama]

I'd prefer quickhammer.

Why?

Lynching scum is pro-town d(''d)

[Parama]

Kitoari is a better lynch. Vibe is a better lynch. I mean Vibe refuses to hammer his scumbuddy who claimed Mafia Goon.

[Parama]

Kit's vote on David is the most obvious bus I have ever seen.

[Parama]

It's 3PM EST now. Please hammer the scum.

[Parama]

You need to unvote first.

[Parama]

Bleh, missed the unvote in your ISO scan.

SC, why do you think I'm pro-town?

[Parama]

BWAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH
OH GOD THIS GAME.
Guys, I nailed 2 scum on page 2. Can we end this D2?

vote: Kitoari

[Parama]

ALSO. The other kill claims RIGHT NOW. You have 24 hours to claim or else I'm going to assume you're a SK.

[Parama]

I see no reason for the killer not to claim.
I mean, if he's not SK, the game's over after a Kitoari lynch so he won't be shooting again anyways d(''d)

[Parama]

Okay! Faster faster Kitoari lynch!

[Parama]

If the Kitoari lynch somehow does not end the game, feel free to shoot Seol, Kage.

[Parama]

Oh by the way, I am 99% sure the last scum is a bulletproof GF. It's the only way to balance out a 2-goon setup with a vig.

[Parama]

In fact.
I feel like taking a shot at the setup right now. Reference this for endgame.

2 Mafia Goons
1 Investigation-Immune Mafia Godfather
1 Town Vig
1 Town Bodyguard
1 Cop
6 Vanilla Townies

^calling it right now

[Parama]

EBWOP:
Which means MC won't hurt the town because the only PR who can do anything at this point is the likely BG. Unless vig shoots someone and they don't die. Which means they're probably that BP GF.

[Parama]

Why CommieX (who has been V/LA) over Seol (who didn't do anything D1 and called the scumhunting going on "noise")?

[Parama]

Do I need to? I mean really I was just bored <_< Let's see if scum are actually dumb enough to try and fakeclaim one of those roles.

[Parama]

No, let's just skip ahead to CommieX and continue down the list from there.

[Parama]

At least claim before leaving.

[Parama]

Reading the game and laughing at the scums' awkwardness.
StrangerCoug is obviously the last scum
1> Soft-defends obv scum DP and Vibe.
2> Reconciliatory tone.
3> Ambivalent behavior.

Vote:StrangerCoug

I'm VT.

Didja pay attention to Seol or Kitoari?

Anywho I'll claim now. VT.

[Parama]

Forgot to add the BP part to the speculation. The second blue'd thing also says the vig is worthless because of unkillable GF.
Seol, I will play arrogantly. You just need to learn to deal with it. When I'm on fire it's best to let me do my thing, ok?

[Parama]

unvote, vote: Stranger

FINE. I believe charter more than anybody else (except ZazieR, but she's dead)

[Parama]

BTW Stranger still needs to claim I believe. So please don't hammer yet.

[Parama]

unvote

Wait, give me 3 good reasons to lynch SC. With evidence. Nopoint didn't give evidence (link/quote posts explain why so and so is scummy) and I tend not to lynch based solely off what other people are saying.

[Parama]

(depending on whether you thought I was trying to see if I could bus Parama)

This looks suspiciously like a scumslip.

[Parama]

SC, why are you voting nopoint?

[Parama]

I honestly don't want to lynch Stranger, but I don't want to lynch nopoint either. It seems like town vs. town. Though SC is stretching on the "screw thinking about number of mafia" bit because I don't see that at all and it took me several times reading nopoint's posts to even realize what he thinks he sees.

[Parama]

Wingless, probably. I'm really not 100% sure.
Then again we have mislynches.
^mentality that loses town games

[Parama]

Pro-tip: the Too-Town fallacy DOES work on me. When I'm scum. Just letting you know this.
I don't like Seol's arguments but his tone seems town to me. Just kinda a feeling.

[Parama]

Ugh fine

unvote, vote: Stranger

Don't blame me when he flips town. At least let's get some progress in this game - I hate when games stall.

[Parama]

Ugh fine

unvote, vote: Stranger

Don't blame me when he flips town. At least let's get some progress in this game - I hate when games stall.

so.. you're backing a wagon you think will be a mislynch to prevent stagnation in a day that's gone for about 4 real-time days?

unvote, vote: cruelty

Only if you want me to.

charter we can do this

[Parama]

charter

nopointinactingup
cruelty

KageLord

Kitoari

Parama

Seol

StrangerCoug

Wingless

We lynch nopoint or cruelty today, vig the other. OK?

[Parama]

unvote, vote: StrangerCoug

You HAVE to be joking.

[Parama]

SC, why your post is so bad:
1. There is at least a 95% chance that we have 1 scum left. So you should vote your #1 suspicion no matter what
2. You really think I'm scum who tried to pull of the epic double-bus... on day 1?

[Parama]

There is at least a 95% chance that we have 1 scum left. So you should vote your #1 suspicion no matter what

And you apparently can't decide on your #1 suspicion. You've gone back and forth between calling me misguided town and scum quite a bit today. Make up your mind.

Pro-tip: Reads change. Mine have been doing that a lot - trying to get a good grasp on who's scum and who's town. Have a few solid reads and a few that I'm still uncertain of. TBH, we have the lynches so I don't see the need to be 100% precise but I'd really like to lynch who I think is most likely scum.
You should only be willing to lynch one person a day, and voting for who you find 2nd most suspicious is anti-town. That's the basic flaw with you being willing to vote me when you suspect nopoint more.

Also, that's not really WIFOM. I may be ambitious, but not THAT ambitious. When I bus, I make sure the person I bus doesn't get lynched early

[Parama]

Does not Compute

I agree with what you said there. It's good to have a #2.
Voting your #2 over your #1 is anti-town regardless of circumstances.

[Parama]

Because my read changed? <.< SC's recent posts don't make sense coming from a townie.

[Parama]

Dear god.
I'm just going to OMGUS everyone who's retarded enough to suspect me from now on.

unvote, vote: cruelty

Where's our mod, anyways? <.<

[Parama]

Wow, this setup is brutal on the scum, hehe. But we still have a doc and a vig alive, so I don't think scum can win this anymore.
(worst possible scenario: we lynch a townie today, both vig and scum shoot, doc and random townie dies, we lynch townie on 3-way lylo, vig and mafia crosskill, draw)
Also why didn't you shoot cruelty, Kage? I was pretty sure Wing was town :/

vote: cruelty

[Parama]

Also, mod, you just confirmed Seol as town, way to go <_<
This is why you don't shorten nights. Meh.

[Parama]

Actually I think you should call the game, mod. I think we've entered into "ruined" territory.

Game will continue.

[Parama]

Oh, he requested replacement? Carry on then. I thought he was being replaced for inactivity :/ I still think he's town regardless. I say lynch cruelty and shoot nopoint, if game doesn't end after either I'll be damned.

[Parama]

Either

Vote:Kitoari

or cruelty
Kagelord, if you're going to vig me like Parama suggested, you have to lynch one of those two tomorrow

Kitoari is a doctor <_<

[Parama]

Watch:
1 vig
1 doctor
1 universal backup
6 townies

claims from yesterday + charter's flip

I see scum being in the townies. Of course, if Kitoari doesn't die tonight then the claim will get weaker (WIFOM though so deal with it).
I see no reason not lynch cruelty and then vig you, nopoint.

[Parama]

I thought I recognized the line in your sig so I googled it. Love that song

[Parama]

and here we have a wild cruelty trying to push a bad mislynch when he knows he can't win

[Parama]

I'm trying to lynch scum. Nobody's talking though. Can we lynch scum faster?

[Parama]

If you want to lynch me, go right ahead. Don't yell at me when I flip town and you all look like imbeciles.

[Parama]

BTW, this is why cruelty killed charter:

LOL

Please vig Cruelty tonight. He's either scum or going to be a gigantic hindrance to the town if we didn't just win.

[Parama]

Obviously not writing a wall-o-text to justify my reads is scummy. I stand in awe at your impeccable logic.

[Parama]

*looks*
That'd make D3 9 days long, which is a little short IMO.

[Parama]

If you think this game is inactive, you should see my other minis <_< This is one of my more active games as it stands

[Parama]

Okay this game has gone inactive.

Make something happen, like a cruelty lynch, PLEASE.

[Parama]

The comment I made earlier was in response to cruelty, who kept listing "no reason given" as argument for me being scum.
You have cruelty as your #1 townpick, which means I don't care about your opinions at this point in time even though I have a strong town read on you.

[Parama]

Nopoint is scum if cruelty is not.
I'm really not in the mood nor do I have enough interest to put together a case in a game that's basically already won. If you INSIST, I can BS a case and you'll all rave about how awesome it is even if it sucks.

[Parama]

Coasting to a town victory, yes. I am lazy as hell.

[Parama]

well, nopoint's apparently on V/LA which means Kage is the only one who hasn't posted recently :/

[Parama]

unvote, vote: Parama

BTW, I am pretty sure it's impossible for Kage to be SK. Doctor + Universal Backup vs 3 mafia and a SK? If you think that's balanced you have some screws loose.
I hope that by lynching me you bastards will realize how blatantly obvious cruelty is as scum.
Also, I'd say Kitoari is scum except Universal Backup + Vig doesn't seem very balanced either, since Vig hardly affects balance IMO, so claim's probably true.

[Parama]

I was actually trying to add it up earlier if we could just town pact and lynch/vig everyone not in, but we had too many lurkers day one for it to really be effective, I think.
Town
Kage
Kit
Parama
Charter

for town, five other people alive. Lynch one, kill one tonight. Kit dies.
3 town 3 unknown.
tomorrow, lynch one, vig one, Kage dies.
Next day would probably leave you and me and the last scum.

I dunno, it could work, only thing I'm worried about is if there is a roleblocker who can block and kill. I don't think that should be allowed, but it's up to the mod. I guess it's not worth the chance to just blindly lynch people.

Man, I have half a mind to switch my vote to Cruelty since he seems more interesting in arguing for no reason than he does in finding the last scum.

LOL

Please vig Cruelty tonight. He's either scum or going to be a gigantic hindrance to the town if we didn't just win.

remember the dead

[Parama]

Like I said, us townies have already got this game won (though tbh I still wouldn't put the BP GF theory out of question in which case you better get your act straight tomorrow.)

Kage, please put a bullet through cruelty's head tonight.

[Parama]

His posts absolutely reek of a scum trying to bank on early protown behavior

I caught 2 scum D1. I don't give a damn if you think it makes me mafia.

he changes his opinions faster than politicians receiving donations

Trying to find the last scum. Oddly enough it's come down to the two players I said we were lynching yesterday

and he's appealing to emotion like there's no tomorrow.

No, you're just a freaking moron who doesn't realize that I am not crazy enough to bus two buddies D1.
I am wondering though, if nopoint is really the final scum (unlikely) then I only voted for scum on D1. Fun thing to point out in the scenario that my reads are currently off

[Parama]

I DO NOT CARE WHAT YOUR ALIGNMENT IS.

I'm over-WIFOMing the setup, it seems.
I WANT someone to hammer me.
And then, if (unshockingly) Kitoari survives the night, I want you to lynch him right up ASAP. Because his play in this game is honestly the scummiest.

[Parama]

I DO NOT CARE WHAT YOUR ALIGNMENT IS.

I DO NOT CARE WHAT YOUR ALIGNMENT IS.

I DO NOT CARE WHAT YOUR ALIGNMENT IS.

I DO NOT CARE WHAT YOUR ALIGNMENT IS.

I DO NOT CARE WHAT YOUR ALIGNMENT IS.

I DO NOT CARE WHAT YOUR ALIGNMENT IS.

This is fun

[Parama]

unvote, vote: cruelty

OPPORTUNISTIC QUICKHAMMER

Vig me tonight if cruelty flips town. Serious about this.

[Parama]

He wasn't at L-1 when you voted him anyways.
Also I'm pretty sure broken tags can be fixed by the mod and then counted :>

[Parama]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Kitoari survives (assuming the game goes on, which is shouldn't unless we have a 4-man mafia team)

[Parama]

P.S. a 4 man scumteam is inherently imbalanced ina 12-player setup and wouldn't make it past the normal reviewers

[Parama]

I literally just went over this. I'm saying you read as scummiest but I don't feel any reason to lynch you at this time.

P.S. it isn't balanced unless mafia is all goons, and even then it's still pretty bad

[Parama]

Thanks a bunch for helping me lynch cruelty, Kit. My reads this game = amazing it seems.

[Parama]

Secret reason that would also work against me for calling cruelty scum:

And "cautious" scum arrives and votes for a lurker uselessly.

Cruelty/Vibebox/Parama scum team.

DP <3 Bussing

[Parama]

There's Best Pro-Town performance (single game) and Best Scum Catcher (Body of Work).

Also, I think that this setup was inherently imbalanced, dunno how it got past the normal reviewers. 3 goons vs. Doc, Vig, Backup? To get rid of the vig they'd have to kill all 3 PR, and they didn't have any player immune to NKs :/

[Parama]

My Mini Normal was totally more awesome than most mini normals and just barely made it past the normal reviewer
Technically, the quality of each side's play is what determines wins and losses anyways, so I don't see why it should be chalked up to the setup alone.